The Pro Evolution Soccer series has always seemed to play second fiddle to FIFA regardless of its quality, what with EA holding all of the licenses to the biggest football leagues in the world. Yet what PES 2017: Pro Evolution Soccer lacks in the licensing department, it makes up for in terms of pure footy fun and passion.
An apt real-world example would be comparing the Premier League and Bundesliga. Like the former, FIFA is bloated with TV megabucks and big spenders who desperately gobble up everything that they can, while the latter is similar to PES in that it's a place for pure, untainted football.
Play a match in PES 2017 and you'll immediately be hit with how real it all feels. Tackles and physical battles crunch, and players argue and squabble whenever the referee gets involved. The ball has a real weight to it – the way that it violently ricochets when it hits the woodwork, and shots and blocks have a punch to them. The smarter goalkeeping AI is noticeable in that goals are harder to come by now – but don't mistake this for a bad thing, as it gives all the more meaning whenever you do score one.
Matches feel much grubbier and realistic now, too. Referees are now more harsh (but still fair) and often playing a derby game in Master League mode can lead to multiple red cards and the creation of an atmosphere similar to that of a rainy Wednesday night in Stoke. While the commentary is a little lacklustre – Peter Drury and Jim Beglin are mostly silent, apart from Drury oddly screaming a player's name when he shoots – most matches are charged with emotion; crowds cheering maniacally after a last-minute goal or booing a tackle, players shoving each other around after a referee's decision.
As always, the heart of the game is in Master League mode (the Be A Legend mode, where you play as a single player, hasn't received any new additions) in which you can either manage an existing club or take a ragtag squad of lacklustre players and propel them to the top. The latter is huge fun, organising a group of players taken from all corners of the globe into a coherent side while bolstering your ranks with transfers all the way, and the licensing of continental championships such as the Champions League, Copa Libertadores, and AFC Champions League make it feel all the more real.
The transfer system has now been changed, with separate budgets for transfers and wages making the financial side of the game easier to manage and the ability to sign players on six month loans with a view to snagging them long-term. Deadline Day also progresses in incremental hours to add to the mad dash of its real-life counterpart, and negotiating transfer fees for players is now more accessible, giving you a success rate if you try and lower a transfer fee for a player you're signing.
One really nice addition is the expanded range of team roles that your players can attain; if one of your squad members is particularly vicious on the pitch, he'll earn the rank of "Bad Boy" while an especially creative player can become a "Conductor". It's a nice extra that brings your squad of imaginary players to life and adds to the immersion. Also, players that are playing out of position eventually adapt to it after a few games and increase their ratings, which is really helpful if your squad is lacking depth – James Milner at left-back, anyone?
As well as increasing their player ratings and attributes, you can also teach your players new skill moves, which serves as a tutorial on how to perform them yourself as well as giving your players the ability to do so. Once again, it's a nice extra that genuinely improves the experience and also helps you improve as a player; we're usually averse to complicated skill moves in football games, but this new feature has helped us massively.
Another mode receiving some new additions is the excellent PES myClub – a competitor to FIFA's Ultimate Team if you're new to the series – and while they may not be as radical as Master League's, they still improve the mode. We've always preferred myClub's Agent system (in which you buy agents that can sign a random player that fit the agent's criteria) to FIFA's packs and auctions, but the new Scout Auctions are even better. Now you can buy scouts that fit your desired criteria at an auction house in order to buy players that fit your manager's tactics and increase your Team Spirit, which is a huge help. The fact that your team's rating doesn't depend on what league or country your players come from also gives more room for experimentation with players, which is always a good thing.
One last new feature added to myClub is an analysis of your upcoming opponent. Not only will the game now tell you your opponent's favourite moves and tactics, but also whether they play centrally or on the wings, whether they prefer counter-attacking or possession football, whether they prefer short or long passes, and whether they prefer aggressive pressing (as preferred by managing superstar Jurgen Klopp) or all-out defence (as preferred by also-ran flash in the plan Jose Mourinho). It's a nice little addition that adds a tactical element to games, and therefore makes every game in myClub just a little more interesting.
PES 2017 is also very customisable, which helps in the absence of many licenses – although players from teams that do have licenses look excellent thanks to their facial scans. The resolution of imported kits can be changed to free up space for more, while kits and badges can now be imported in bulk with a USB stick – effectively nullifying the licensing problem, as you can import realistic club kits and badges from the internet.
The biggest problem of PES 2016 has also been fixed in this year's edition: instead of the dreaded Data Packs that meant players had to wait months before the squads were updated to the start of the 2015/16 season, a new Live Update system has been added instead, where teams are updated week-to-week and downloads are small.
Conclusion
PES 2017: Pro Evolution Soccer is an excellent football game in which fun and realism are balanced. Every pass, every tackle, every goal feels like it has meaning, and Konami has done a great job of creating the ultimate matchday atmosphere. Master League, with its new improvements, is more fun than ever and oozes personality, while the myClub mode offers good competition to FIFA's behemoth Ultimate Team. The huge array of customisation and the game's excellent community prevent the lack of licensing from being a problem, and overall PES 2016 is very gegenpressive.
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Too bad I sold my PS4. As soon as PS4 Pro comes out I'm definetely getting this game!
Got an email this morning saying my copy has been dispatched. Roll on tomorrow!
There have been times where this series has beaten Fifa in terms of gameplay. However the lack of licensing is a big draw back which means people stay loyal to Fifa.
@dryrain
If you stay loyal to FIFA over some licenses, knowing there's a better football game waiting for you, you deserve what EA's serving up. After PES2016 I was so afraid Konami would mess it up just like FIFA has been doing the last couple of years (they haven't only gotten worse relatively, but literally gameplay wise), but after playing it for a couple of hours now I know this is the best dang football game to ever grace our console.
Take your matchday experiences, licenses and screaming Mourinhos... I'll take the better game where it actually matters, thank you
@Boerewors 100% with you on this one.
It only takes an hour to import the licenses and stadiums etc etc, then it's the complete game.
Have always found the license complaints a bit odd, yes it is a mild pain, which is now negated by the option file in this PES, but how often do you find people playing as say Norwegian teams online in FIFA... never it's always bloody Real and Barca...
Anyway waiting for my copy to come, £34.85 with Shopto... bargain!
@Boerewors Each it their own I guess, I've found FIFA to be vastly superior in gameplay and realism since 2008.
I'm still not converted back to PES judging from playing the PES 2017 demo, but it did feel more realistic and fun than last year and the gap between this and FIFA has been closed at least.
FIFA is still the one to beat for me though for realism, physics, AI and overall immersion. I feel like I'm watching/playing a real football match in FIFA and PES just doesn't create that feeling and FIFA looks to have gotten even better this year.
That said, PES 2017 looks like the best game in the series for quite a few years and I'll pick it up on sale definitely.
@Boerewors PES is fun...it's very arcadey thou, so no, it's not better than FIFA
FIFA is STILL king! Never liked PES's arcadey feel and I'd very much prefer playing as Manchester United and not Man Red 😂
Gameplay wise, pes is streets ahead of fifa. Also with USB transfer now, the licensing issues are pretty much void. But each to thier own, there is enough room on the market for both games.
@MaccaMUFC I assume United will be in this one because of the Europa League license?
Can you confirm what PL teams are licensed in this @Anchorsam_9?
@AFCC
Calling PES arcadey when compared to FIFA just gives to show you haven't been playing either PES or FIFA -or both- for quite some years now. PES has had a really rough last gen with FIFA clearly being the better of the 2, but the last years and especially this year PES is the number 1 football game FOR ME (!!!).
Just because a game is fun to play, doesn't mean it's arcadey.
@get2sammyb I just roughly checked after a quick search on google and apparently only Arsenal and Liverpool are the licensed teams, in the Premier League anyway but not sure about Europa and UEFA Champions League though.
@BoereworsI played both every year since 2013 and I think that PES has a lot of problems, it's stiff, arcadey and I don't feel like it has better gameplay...but oh well!
Copa Libertadores oh dear
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I agree with @AFCC I know what he means when saying its stiff, FIFA feels smooth and fluid. Both games have their own loyal fan bases, just like with BF and CoD but seeing as the latest FIFA is always in the top 10 sales charts for most of the year since its release, shows that it's the most popular.
Being from Argentina, the lack of Copa Libertadores is a big let down.
But they added the Argentian League at least
How hard is it to patch the game for ps4 and add all the the teams?
Both Fifa and Pes are pants, I've been dying to get back into a great footy game but they are more interested in making an abstract shortened version were players who can perform crazy flicks win the day. We need another competitor. Pes may be a lot better, but the animations are really strange and compared to a REAL game of football isnt realistic at all. Just my two pence but they are both as exciting as watching a League 2 game on a champions league night.
Will only get this when the PS4PRO debuts. I'm enjoying PES2016 still took me almost a while year to learn how much fun the AFC tournament was and the different styles of tournament play & presentations throughout these new uncharted worlds. Can't wait for 2017
@fabisputza00 @KAPADO No word on if there's a PS4 Pro patch coming but I would assume not, though Konami could prove me wrong.
@fabisputza Since you can import kits and badges in one big bulk, it shouldn't take long at all
@morrisseymuse Each to their own I guess, but I've been getting progressively less happy with FIFA over the years. FIFA 16 frustrated me a lot because it seemed that pace didn't matter - however fast your player was, the lumbering centre back would always catch up.
@get2sammyb @MaccaMUFC Yeah, the only licenced premier league clubs are Arsenal and Liverpool (though it's easy to import badges and kits) Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are licenced, as is Serie A (except for Juventus) Ligue 1, Ligue 2, the Portuguese Primeira Liga (except for two teams) the Eredevisie, the AFC Champions League teams, as well as a few other European teams and the Argentine and Brazilian leagues.
@Bhattiboy Oops, I'll fix that as soon as I can.
@themcnoisy Fair enough, I'd quite like to see another old football franchise like Sensible Soccer or This Is Football coming back
Can you rub players nipples though? I must know!
@themcnoisy the last great football game was Sensible Soccer. Now we have Social Soccer coming I am happy to wait.
FIFA 17 demo came out yesterday so it can now be compared to PES 2017's demo. With FIFA 17 I'm blown away by how realistic the graphics looks thanks to the Frostbite engine, it also plays differently and better compared to FIFA 16.
The Journey story mode is interesting I'm liking it, even if no one else does at least the option is there.
Errr......still says review score pending?!?
So as a long-time PES buyer going all the way back to ISS on PS1, can anyone actually describe how this game plays compared to last year?
Galvatron is immensely pleased that Anfield, including the new Main Stand and all LFC players & YNWA, are in this years' version - does that side of things impress in terms of Coutinho, Mane & Firmino?
Re the commentary and how they shout players names for shots......that was in last years version, so this is NOT a new feature - guessing the reviewer is not a regular player of PES?
I shall be buying this ASAP but Push Square think this review needs a full edit - and a review score 😯
@Galvatron its explains in small print below the score pending text why it has not yet received a review score.
@fabisputza00 These guys work 24/7 for perfect kits Emblems names everything they will even have a file on the 15th sorry xbox 1 not included
http://www.pesgaming.com/forumdisplay.php?s=45abeaec80560f59ae6171061e21d34f&f=400
@dryrain It was my understanding that Sociable soccer was halted due to funding I also love SWOS 96..
Fifa 17 konami pes 2017 they both are good games its a shame PS4 does not have football manager..
@Bhattiboy Thanks for the link. PES2017 is gonna be the first game I buy along with the PS4 Pro. Ill give the link it a try
I believe it's a great footie game and it feels great to play, and I appreciate some of the additions that were listed sound good, but I still can't get around a few things with PES. I've known PES for a long time and I bought both PES 2014 and 2015, but I switched back to FIFA with FIFA 16. The lack of authenticity, boring commentary, clunky player animations and difficult learning curve can all get a little irritating in PES, all of these problems being solved in FIFA - along with a more effective atmosphere in matches being created.
I'm still waiting to play the FIFA 17 demo though, maybe I'll be dissuaded by it if it's bad - if so, I'll go back to PES this year.
@Anchorsam_9 they confirmed that there's a ps4pro patch coming up. So a new 4K hdr ready tv, plus a PS4pro and PSVR this is gonna be an expensive holiday season for me.
Review's all done now - ask me any questions if you need to!
You mean to tell me that Konami still haven't got around to stopping people using option files to get around licencing issues? I thought that would be their top priority.
Will play the demo and see if I like it.
@john_c I'm pretty sure they actively encourage people doing that.
I believe there's not a single game that deserves a 10/10, especially for a sportsgame that's impossible to achieve the way I score games. That being said, PES 2017 is the closest thing to a perfect score I've ever seen in a football game; the game's an absolute delight to play.
People who are still playing FIFA just because they want to 'press start' immediately when a 1:1 Emirates Stadium or a shouting Mourinho is shown or because they don't wanna spend 10 minutes importing some files with team names are really missing out. FIFA is left so far behind this year that it reminds me of the PS2 days. There will always be a large group of people who choose flashy presentation and lots of licenses over a flawless game on the pitch, but I honestly hope PES will get the chance it deserves.
If FIFA is like Pogba, PES is like Messi; it's raw power and athleticism vs finesse and style.
It is by far the best footy game ive played for a long time and I remember the great Commodore 64 game Emyln Hughes International Soccer.
Player AI and tactics are some of the best i've played against and online works from the off(yay!).. The editing options sort licenses after 15-20mins effort so all good there.
Looks like we may have the first year since days of yore, where both games are gonna keep loads of people happy..
9/10 I am impressed with both Konami and Push Square for an Excellent Review....
" effectively nullifying the licensing problem"
" The huge array of customisation and the game's excellent community prevent the lack of licensing from being a problem"
Tempted I must say.
As a noob to the recent editions of this series, there's a helpful guide for importing the proper team names etc over on eurogamer, specifically for PS4 - aqui: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-16-pes-2017-option-file-how-to-download-get-real-team-names-kits-badges-and-more
@john_c As Sammy said, it'd probably be commercial suicide to prevent players from loading kits and badges into the game, since that would lose a lot of players to FIFA.
@Boerewors I agree with you on everything - not just the FIFA vs PES comparison, but also that games get given 10s way too much. But that's another question for another time.
@Bhattiboy Thanks!
@Drawfull I used that guide myself to import kits since I haven't tried it before, it works well!
Fifa or PES? What should I buy? I don't play soccer games since 2011, and I wanna play for fun.
@Frank90 I haven't played the full FIFA 17 game so I can't say for sure (though I have played the demo) but it really all depends on what you like. If you want a pick-up-and-play football game then FIFA might be your best bet, but if you care a bit about gameplay, customisation, managing your team, and other aspects of football, then get PES. If I were you, I'd wait until FIFA 17 releases at the end of the month and then look at our review for that and see which one takes your fancy
Apparantly it's great offline but online it suffer's and play's like a totaly different game. A friend who has loved PES and played every one for year's and has despised Fifa has sold his before the game loses value and is thinking about getting Fifa and plan's on getting PES again in a few month's to see if they sort it out. He only play's online however so beware, i'd also reccomend reading some forum's before purchasing, some die hard PES fan's are apparantly waffling on about sueing Konami they are that upset Offline though is fantastic just don't expect much online.
It's getting harder and harder to wait until November 10th to play this.
@morrisseymuse 😂😭😭😂😂😂 I like your sarcasm.
@KAPADO Lol no sarcasm my friend, as someone who has watched football for over 25 years I cannot relate to the ridiculous speed and 'one man can beat 7 players' mentality of the average game of PES.
I couldn't care less about licensing, I think it's become the fashion to go against EA and jump on the PES bandwagon, being the 'underdog' vs the 'evil corporate giant'..
It's a decent game and I admire the customisation available, both tactical and off the field, but the AI isn't up to pat to allow said tactics to come to fruition and as a result it's still in FIFA's shadow for me for realistic gameplay.
@Anchorsam_9 that is a frustration with FIFA I agree with, defenders gaining super pace sometimes was a pain. Though I found it to be a rare occurrence and it seems to happen a little less now judging from the FIFA 17 demo.
@Anchorsam_9 Thanks a lot man! I'll wait then and see which one should I get.
That said, sadly, no football game will ever be good as International Super Star Soccer Deluxe (bark sound)!
football LUL
Best football game ever. Highly addictive. I spent all night playing co-op with a few friends. We're all calling sick at work.
Always divisive these footy games eh! Never changed since I was but a wee lad.
I've never quite clicked with FIFA, it always feels a bit floaty and unreal compared to the weight of PES, but I'll admit I reverted to PES 08 PS2 for good footy action during the doldrums of PS3 PES.
To my mind 2016 was a huge leap for PES, and 17 looks to have continued that nice upturn in form
Such good game play leaves Fifa well behind this year.
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