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PS+ on the PS4 isn't value for money.

Sony preaching about value for fans is massively hypocritical.

As a PS4 owner I hope it's wrong.

Some people can't tell the difference between a beta and demo.

Remember when gaming was simple... just about having fun and not about who or what you are.

Bet they bring it a week after Microsoft add it to the Xbox One.

Good luck to anyone who hasn't played it but Sony should have offered a discount to anyone who bought the game on the PS3.

To be fair to @WARDIE I can see his point. Wasn't it just a few days ago Naughty Dog were saying that they'd be aiming for 1080p at 60fps? Maybe they should just have clarified it with aiming for 1080p at 60fps but just not as good looking as 1080p @ 30fps.

@Reverend_Skeeve No one forced you or Enobmah_shards to buy a PS4! See... I can make moronic statements as well. I didn't buy a PS4 to play remakes that offer nothing new. This is taking investment and development time away from original content never mind the fact Sony will be treble dipping this dying cash cow again with Playstation Now.

Didn't Ryse follow the same sort of development path? Moved from one format to another, dropped Kinect support etc? Let's hope that's where the similarities end.

@get2sammyb so why can't Tasuki go and buy a PS3?

Yet another remake... no thanks.

@Deadstanley say whatever you want. You attacked people who don't trust Sony and were unwilling to hand over credit card details while some 3 years after the hack you've not registered a credit card yourself. Spin it what ever way you want but it's a case of pot.kettle.black.

@SteveButler2210 answer the simple questions I asked you! Should be easy if you know anything about what you're talking about. I will give you a clue.... It isn't the UK. By the way your EBay example laughable.

Enjoyed the beta the but the hype for the game is becoming a bit silly.

@SteveButler2210 tell you what Steve, you tell me the EU country SEN and SCEE is based in and exactly what law in that country would make it illegal.

@SteveButler2210 absolute rubbish! Sony can set the price if they want. They allow... allow! the publisher to set the price! Stock volume etc is absolutely irrelevant. What absolute rubbish.

@Deadstanley how can you complain about people not trusting Sony when you're not willing to give Sony your own credit card details? Clearly, like many others you don't believe the lax security has tightened up.

Microsoft set the trend for updates and Sony follow.

Sony deserved all the stick it got and continues to get. It was negligence of the first order. I would never give Sony my credit card details now. It shows the lack of real trust in Sony when the network goes down for unplanned maintenance everyone thinks 'uh oh!'.

@SteveButler2210 hard evidence.... are you serious? Who do you think owns the EU PS store? EA? It's exactly the same as a physical store. SCEE set the terms and conditions, your consumer contract is with SCEE. If you've an issue on the store you contact SCEE. It's solely and totally SCEEs store! And well done you found one game out of hundreds with the same discount even though it's more expensive in the EU. Well done!

@SteveButler2210 first of all let's bury the urban myth that some how SCEE have no say over what's put on sale on the EU store. It's their store! They own it, control and set the rules. Please stop making excuses for them. You may feel you personally get value for money on the EU store but take a quick look at PS Blog comments and even Stevie Wonder can see SCEE have a problem. EU prices are up to 54% more expensive. Discounts despite your claim rarely happen and if they do it's a default paultry 10%. Sales are nothing short of pathetic and it's only SCEEs fault. They deserve all the grief they get.

The North American customers are so lucky! 20% discounts to EU PS+ customers is virtually unheard of. Release dates, promotions, sales... doesn't happen in the EU. SCEE are the biggest bunch of incompetent morons since the Keystone cops. How about doing an article on the difference between the EU and NA Playstation services then ask Yoshida why he encourages racism?

@Johnnycide It isn't just the IGC for PS4 PS+ that's a massive disappointment. Where are the discounts, exclusive content or even PS+ beta's for the PS4? Seems SCEE just drop it all. We'd an exclusive plane for War Thunder that was actually worse than some of the free planes. And it's not as is the PSN is better for the PS4 now we're paying for it as well.

PS+ is clearly in decline.

PS+ on the PS4 has been a massive disappointment. I wont be renewing my sub in November unless the quality improves. Eclectic to Fred Dutton translates to 'we struggled to get enough content so settled for any old rubbish'.

The new logo looks like something you'd see on a 3D TV when you're not wearing your glasses.

How was the old logo obnoxious? Absolutely bizarre claim! Slow news day?

That's a start... Now if SCEE can do something about the mad delays in Europe, the insane price difference with other regions, the poor customer service, inept staff, rip off sales and games like CS:GO that just disappear for no reason then they might be in danger of looking professional.

Sony's lack of support for 3D on the PS4 would stop me considering going to 4k when it becomes more affordable.

@Enobmah_Shards believe it or not quite a few of us bought PS4's to play PS4 games not rehashes. If you want to play old PS3 games then buy a PS3. The amount of rehashes on the PS4 is becoming an issue for many customers.

Gran Turismo 5 delays destroyed the franchise for me. Not only was it delayed so often it became a joke but PD churned out a very average game in the end. I think it's time Sony either closed PD or gave them a new project (along with some project management courses). Give the Gran Turismo IP to Evolution.

another rerelease.... it's getting boring now

Thought they were remastered now and not remade.

Installing the beta now, going to take some time until it's complete. Seriously, why would you preorder this game on PSN? Any level of demand on PSN just brings the whole service crashing to its knees. Amateurish service.

What a shambles of a service once again from Sony. They just never seem to learn or more than likely just don't care.

Some of those prices are an absolute joke. How you can even write an article and refer to this as a bargain is a joke. Don't you care about the customers actually reading these articles? How about turning it around and doing an article on the crazy rip off prices on PSN that the idiots employed by Sony think are fantastic?

Very weak article when it has to take pot shots at the competition. Sony and the PS4 have more than enough issues on their own. The number of reports about the PS4's line up for Christmas shows it clearly is an issue for many people. If it wasn't you wouldn't be getting so much mileage out of it. The line up is average and unoriginal at best. Nothing worth forking out £400 for a new console for and then paying the insane online prices Sony expect.

@Reverend_Skeeve they cranked up nothing more than a port and yet expect people who bought the game less than a year ago to pay full price for it again. You might be happy with that but plenty aren't.

Wow... hardly game changing... using the light bar on the console to indicate your health is pointless.

Since when did remake mean remastered? Crack up that hype machine Sony...

That's the problem with indies... for every Journey there's 10 Constant C's to wade through. Inconsistency sums it up in more ways than one. It needs to be quality over quantity.

Price?

Should have had an option 'None of the above' in that survey.

Hated Shadow Fall, by far the weakest game in the KZ franchise. Just can't see this DLC being enough taking me back to the game.

It isn't a virus or a disease in The Last of Us, it's a parasitic fungi. There are over 1000 different Cordyceps fungi with each one specific to an insect. The Cordycep fungi that infests ants has no effect on termites and visa versa. Because the fungi isn't a virus or bacterium it's unlikely it would mutate or adapt to other species before it destroys the human race. The fungi in TLOU doesn't follow that typical Cordyceps motive. An infested ant for example is driven to the highest point it can find before the fungi blooms and spores. So it's possible the fungi in TLOU was weaponised. Interesting plot for a TLOU prequel?

Here's a fact.... Knack was universally panned critically because it was rubbish. I always got the the feeling it was PS4 tech demo turned into a game. Don't waste time and effort making a sequel, the Knack franchise is permanently soiled.

Starbound. Excellent little game.

There are enough unfinished games being released on PSN as it is. We don't need anymore.

Mark Cerny.. from the dizzy heights of designing the PS4 to the depths of hell with Knack. Proves even a genius can make a mistake.

I don't and never will pre order a game on PSN or XBL unless the pricing structure is changed. Nothing to do with the bonus content offered. The article makes some very fair points but I'd rather see Microsoft and Sony pressured a lot more by journalists about their online pricing policies.