
In an era where gaming increasingly emphasises online connectivity, there are undeniable benefits, like the unprecedented connectivity we enjoy in our games and the way titles can be updated and improved post-release in response to feedback.
But there are issues, too. While it’s (mostly) sunshine and rainbows while the servers are running, many worry that in a faraway future, their games may be rendered obsolete once the power’s been turned off.
One post on X (or Twitter) which went viral during this weekend’s PSN outage pertained to the PS5 Pro’s disc drive, which if you’ll remember, requires a one-time handshake with Sony’s servers to be activated.
An industrious user took the opportunity during the outage to test whether his disc drive would connect while PSN was down, and as expected, it didn’t. To be clear, any disc drive that’s already been connected to the PS5 Pro would play physical games just fine during the down time, but it wasn’t possible to properly pair the accessory during the outage.
The concern here is that in the faraway future, this could render physical games incompatible with the PS5 Pro (and PS5 Slim Digital Edition), as should PlayStation power down its servers, you wouldn’t be able to connect the disc drive to the console at all.
It’s worth pointing out that there are layers to Sony’s network infrastructure, and while yesterday’s outage was a particularly bad one, connecting a disc drive doesn’t necessarily need the entirety of the PSN to be online.
Furthermore, a firmware update in the future could theoretically enable disc drives to be connected without requiring a handshake with PlayStation’s servers.
So, there’s nothing to be immediately concerned about here, but it’s always worth raising questions about future game preservation, and there’s no doubt this generation – with its enormous reliance on online connectivity – is the most precarious thus far.
Our hope is that, whatever the future holds for PlayStation and PSN, the company does continue to consider how it’s going to allow its consumers to play its games into the far future. After all, it’d be a terrible shame for all of this great content to get stuck in the past.
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Argh .... 1st world problems
Who isn’t looking forward to an adorable all-digital future for video gaming?
As much as I think its dumb that the disc drive requires an Internet connection to install, let's be honest, this theoretical future where someone has a PS5 digital and a seperate disc drive that hasn't been connected yet and Sony's servers have completely vanished, won't ever exist.
Even if it did, then all the games patches and updates will be gone, leaving many of the games in a state that you wouldn't want to play them anyway
Just getting there, are we?
100 percent the reason I'll never trust a Digital console.
@carlos82 I'd rather still be able to play a buggy version of my game than no game at all tbh.
@carlos82 It's a tricky one for me. I also do absolutely see the concern here, but I just don't have the energy to worry about something like this.
In reality, it could be more than 25 years before this becomes an issue.
So yes, while I do agree it's a concern, and I understand that theoretically it's a problem that could occur tomorrow if Sony inexplicably went out of business and turned everything off, it's just so unlikely that I find it difficult to really worry about it today.
There's worse stuff going on in life right now that I need to worry about to find time/energy to focus my attention on this.
But I get it!
Sony needs to add some flexibility into their online validation checks.
Our most valuable ressource as consumers today are our often limited free time, so being locked out of playing my favourite game for more than 12 hrs yesterday is unacceptable.
I also hope that Sony are taking measures to fend off cyber attacks in the future, that can take down their digital framework, as this is definitely going to be a thing in the future.
Surely, it's possible to do these validation checks in a way that doesn't completely lock out the consumer.
@Member_the_game it definitely is a 1st world problem, but that doesn't mean, that Sony shouldn't take measures to avoid these breakdowns in the future
I do think this is all rather melodramatic. Yes; the leaning on online services is potentially damaging but I play mostly single player games and I was therefore able to play the majority of my content yesterday.
Large userbase moan about the overt transition to MP and live service games and yet then this happens, it’s as if the whole of the community only play those games?
I’m aware I’m in my 30s and I’m therefore probably the key demographic for those games anyway but yeah
@itsfoz I think the biggest problem I saw were some people trying to use their 2nd ps5 and couldn't play their games because of the psn outage because it wasn't set to be their primary console. Granted I can imagine very few people have two consoles, but it could be a problem in the future
"a firmware update in the future could theoretically enable disc drives to be connected without requiring a handshake with PlayStation’s servers."
This doesn't help if you buy a "new" PS5 Pro and disc drive as a collector post-shutdown. You wouldn't be able to get the firmware update.
I definitely feel they shouldn't be requiring the handshake in the first place.
@jamison1993 Now that is annoying. Such is the issue in this post. Sony do need to ensure basic features are not requiring an unesscesqary connection and more incidents like this will hopefully encourage that.
@carlos82 This.
The main issue with video gaming being always connected is not the hardware (even if it is an issue), but the software. Most games today are unplayable buggy messes lacking a lot of content and features without a day zero or day one patch. So even if your console can play offline physical games, what you'll end up playing is not going to be any good...
I'll probably be dead or too old to care by the time this becomes an issue. Sucks for Gen B, but I find it hard to care tbh.
There should be a law that forbids games to be online only. That's the real BS. Outage of servers/network can always happen. But not being able to play your games because they require a constant online connection is infuriating. Couldn't play GT7. Couldn't even play the BO6 campaign if i wanted to. It's fine if the multiplayer component of a game is temporarily not available but not being able to access the rest of your game is just unacceptable.
@LifeGirl i had no idea you were a boomer...
The levels of catastrophic journalism on the outage has been laughable. Things like banks have gone down in the UK, meta has had issues in the past and Microsoft have had issues. These thing will occasionally happen. The issue to highlight here is that Sony needs to have a better PR and community communication. Based on gaming journalism you would think it was the end times. I still managed to played kingdom come and went out to watch the rugby so managed a fun weekend.
Reasons to be concerned.... jeeez, the network goes down for a day and omg the future..what we will do oh the dread,
But it must be nice that sonys network been down is some people's biggest problem
I have my stuff mostly physical and didn't even notice, so it's good to know that I'm generally set up in a way that isn't affected by this bull$hlt. Still, they really should patch in games to run without a connection, such as GT7. It's crazy that the game won't work at all if there's no connection.
At home we use phone hotspots for internet and very often I play completely offline with my PS5. Digital doesn't necessarily mean that you need to be online to play.
How far into the future are we looking here? I can still buy, download, update and play games from 16+ years ago on my PS3, I don't see my PS5 or it's library being rendered unusable anytime soon.
@Vorflynn Yeah, you aren't maximizing the perceived outrage from this article at all, lol.
@get2sammyb the other way I look at it, is even if this does become an issue in the distant future, what are the chances that a solution isn't found anyway?
My Dreamcast for example, stopped being sold nearly 25 years ago, it's method of connecting to the Internet is gone, it's servers long since shut down, even the TV's it connects to are gone, yet today I can play Phantasy Star Online on that very console and connected to my new OLED TV and it even gets new games.
That said, the bigger issue is single player games and content that require an online connection needs to go, why is Gran Turismo 7 unplayable offline?
I recently bought Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles for my Sega Genesis. I wanted to get the version with the original Ice Cap Zone music. It's so nice being able to slap a 30+ year old cartridge into a 30+ year old console and not worry about whether it'll work or not.
@breakneck agreed Sony being this Gens big winner does have people down on them, but they also don't help themselves in these circumstances. I just think that it would have been easy for Sony's PR in a situation like this to have posted occasional update messages showing that they are aware of the issue and are working on the fix. Or updates like, we know it's taking longer than anticipated but are working hard to get this resolved. In a service based industry some form of communication with your customers is better than nothing, especially in a disaster recovery situation, like a global network outage. But in the grand scheme of things one day is just a minor inconvenience to us gamers.
Physical all the way.
I was playing FF16 all day without knowing there was an outage. In the future I can play my collection or sell them.
It’s the same with cash. Cash keeps money in the hands of the consumers.
We will lose these things because people value convenience over everything else.
@LikelySatan fair point, I was really commenting based on some of the silly things I had read over the last 24 hours than Sammy's article. Like the editor of windows Central warning Microsoft that this is the danger of using others ecosystems to sell your games. And the abject rage of some of the gaming press! The team at push square do tend to be a bit more reasoned.
I think that's true for almost every online service and it should be something everyone acknowledged and agreed to in their terms of service.
@Member_the_game because... I suspect... most of us live in the 1st World. What sort of comment is that? Does it bode the end of the world - no - but I for one have a lot of years and dollars invested in my hobby. So, why try to be all dismissive? It came back within 24 hours-ish... but I think the point of the article is to remind people how fragile our faith in technology can be.
@EthanMars you dont have active Offline play? Or you are reffering to Online game?
@get2sammyb it's not about probability - it's about good engineering design. Good engineers will risk mitigate (not remove all risks) - however, the difference is that not all risks are known, and some are based on actors that are actively seeking to do harm.
My point is not about the disc drive - but why you need internet connectivity to play a physical disc. That has zero rationalisation other than removing the value of physical discs.
More reason that an all streaming future isn't feesable, any problems like this and you can play any games at all.
Stuff goes down now and again, it's not the end of the world. My ps5 plays all my digital library offline (set to primary)
@Ultimapunch Amen to that. Put a PS1 game in my console and it still runs sad times we live in.
Does it really though?
This is the future we’ve all bought into - so how can we possibly complain?
It was embarrassing how widespread the crying was yesterday about the outage, the first real downtime in years and everyone was losing their minds.
I dont like digital for this reason. Its also not used for preservation of games that goes better with a physical copy.
As far as I'm aware, the doomsday CMOS clock battery issue is still alive and well on the PS4. Meaning, if your CMOS battery in your PS4 dies after the servers stop running, you can't play even physical games I believe.
It's been awhile since I read about it, and the same issue has been patched on PS3 I believe, so someone can correct me if I'm wrong about this. But something to be aware of, because the CMOS clock batteries do need to be replaced every 5-10 years.
Edit: Nevermind, the PS4 issue was patched, I actually have it backwards. The PS3 still needs a one time server authentication after replacing the CMOS battery. Which is even more concerning considering I feel like the PS3 server days are numbered.
@REALAIS I wasn't aware of this feature. Thanks for sharing.
I was unable to play my downloaded games on my portal, because of the PSN downtime. I honestly didn't check to see if I'd be able to play on the console.
Id still argue, that streaming downloaded/physical games on peripherals like the portal should be possible when PSN is having technical difficulties....1st world problem and all...
I feel like I barely noticed this outage because of the games I play. Crunchyroll wouldn't launch on PS5 for me actually, but it worked fine on my TV app.
Also, it's a 6 Nations weekend. Did anyone watch that England Vs France game yday?
Holy moly, talk about blowing the tournament wide open. I was screaming for England for most of the second half. Epic stuff.
I was too busy playing KCD2 to even notice the outage...
@UnlimitedSevens I think they fixed that with a firmware update about 3-4 years ago. Shouldn't be a problem, unless your PS4 has been offline since then of course.
@Shepherd_Tallon
Thanks for the correction! I think I had it backwards, it's the PS3 that still has this issue right? Or was that fixed too? That would be good news.
It also raises serious questions about Sony’s increasingly lack of communication, they’re even giving away 5 days for PS+ but no explanation whatsoever.
@Max_the_German the day Sony / PS goes full digital and online only, that's the day i stop supporting them.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
Dude.... it was just a light hearted joke comment.
Don't take everything so seriously Bro
What difference does owning the physical disc make i own the physical disc of overwatch still wont work
@kevinm360 You could download it from a website, no? Or they could ship it on a game disc?
But touche!
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare I don't think this is an oversight. I think the online handshake is there for a reason.
It was less than 24hrs. People asking for free games or any sort of compensation are just entitled brats at this stage. Continued my Cyberpunk playthrough for the majority of the downtime. Minor issues if anything.
@Shepherd_Tallon I did not see that result coming at all! And while I don't want to go down the route of telling my fellow PushSquarers to step back, go outside and touch grass during an outage - as everyone has different gaming times/habits - there's a lot more to the world to keep us entertained than just our Playstation.
An all digital future and lack of disc drive just makes consoles less convenient and useable for customers. One of the big pluses of PS5 was the backwards compatibility with PS4 games, which required a disc drive if you own your games physically.
More than that though, consoles have been positioned as an all-in-one home entertainment solution for quite some time now. I want to be able to play my Blu-rays on my console so I don't need to purchase a separate dedicated player. Some people want to own their favourite programmes, and not rely on streaming services that can take them down because of some licensing issue, lack of interest, or whatever.
Going all digital gives a customer less options. To me, this is not a good thing.
hacking systems solves this problem and frankly all problems everytime.
You can play every PS2 game from a memory card!
The PS3 can be hacked wide open in 20 minutes.
One day I will eventually do this to my PS4 as well.
It's going to be okay guys.
@Marquez Agreed. Maybe on another weekend I'd have been a little more frustrated, but I've had a weekend of rugby to keep me ticking over.
I sounds like there is a lot to be concerned about though. 😅
It means ps5 pro will become a paper weight when it loses psn access.
@Shepherd_Tallon I'm usually a football guy but the offside goal in the last minute for Man United on Friday was a bit of a last straw moment with that game and so I settled in for some rugby yesterday and bloody hell what a match!
Weird first half but the second was incredible and to sneak the victory in the last minute - just wild! What drama!
How far in the future are they trying to make people worry about. PS3 still online. PS4 still online. It's not like the PS6 is going to come out and Sony will just shutdown everything on the PS5. It would be safe to say you'll be able to play PS4 and PS5 games on the PS6 and onwards.
It is a first world problem, but it's a first world problem that only exists because companies created it. And maybe they shouldn't be creating problems.
@get2sammyb
I worry more that they will change to be more like mobile phones - you know, where after 5 years apps that have worked just fine for all those years suddenly wont work anymore because your phone is not new enough to run the newest operating system!
If Sony had stopped PS4's in the same way because they couldnt run PS5's operating system, there would (rightly) be outrage!
One Word - Skynet
@Templedoom I read that as Skyrim.
It's a good job it genuinely doesn't matter at all to me, as I can certainly see all the issues that may arise in the future.
I've watched every single generation since gaming started (yes I'm an old git) and I used to worry and really care about how I'd play my favourite games in the future. But the truth is, I'm always far to wrapped up in current gen games to ever really care about playing older ones.
There are exceptions as I love old school shoot em ups, but I always keep all generations of all machines available via emulation apart from the last two gens.. I have everything up to and including ps2 and Xbox ATM. I usually find my desire to play most older titles is spent after 10 or 15 minutes.
As each generation comes and my behaviour remains consistent, I get less worried about access to my games beyond emulation.
Just as well too, as I think there is definitely an issue for those that still play their old titles....
@Medic_alert It was definitely a classic. One for the top 5 all time endings to a 6 Nations game.
Doommomgering about the future of gaming, because one user specifically did something that requires a connection and failed because the servers were temporarily down is a complete joke and I'm shocked this site has resorted to such reports.
Regarding the disc drive not pairing, Mystic posted a video during the outage and in it, said he was indeed able to pair one. So I'm not sure if it was just this person and maybe not that widespread. Still annoying though.
Physical games aren't in a much better position if the servers ever shut down, not unless you have every single one on multiple drives (drives can die after all) with all patches downloaded. The Witcher 3 is near 10 years old and popping your non patched disc in would be great in the sense you can play.....not so good with all the rampant bugs,glitches and completely missing features. That's just one of hundreds of games that are like this.
It's cool you can buy an old games and pop it in your original playstation but as the years advance even that will be harder as more fail and the acquisition of an old crt will get more difficult. Hell my OLED doesn't even have legacy connections on it even if you wanted to use it. You could get it running through HDMI but my god old games look like ass on new TV's.
@Ultimapunch Agreed! I bought the Sonic Mega Collection for the PS2 for the same reason, even though it’s not as smooth as the Sonic Origins remaster.
Would hope they would make firmware changes before removing the network completely.
I didn’t know the disc drive needed online activation, which of course is ridiculous.
My employer just closed their data center and moved everything into the cloud. Not gonna be happy when those services go down and there's nothing your internal staff can do about it.
@get2sammyb Online handshake for disc drive exists because HDCP and DMCA are a thing.
Sure, copyright protection methods and licenses could be implemented in other ways, but online handshake is cheaper and safer from a company standpoint. Well, until the authentication server bites the dust like what happened yesterday.
I dont really get the argument here when it comes to physical vs digital. If the game requires online it's not going to work for either way if PSN is down. If the game isn't online it's still going to work if PSN is down, regardless of physical vs digital. I was playing games the entire time this was going on and wouldn't have known there was issues if it wasn't for people online saying the sky is falling.
What is the point of being worried about something we would have no control over anyway? It's not as if Sony actually listen to gamers because if they did they would have shipped the ps5 Pro with a drive unit. This weekends outage had zero impact on my gaming and to be honest there is so much more entertainment available to me. I love gaming and I've enjoyed my 40+ years of it but it's not the be all and end all. If I do upgrade to the ps5 Pro it will probably be my last console anyway.
@get2sammyb incidently these are not fresh concerns. Ever since games started to go digital it's been on everybody's mind as to what would happen if psn went down for good.
Reasons to be concerned...
So, there’s nothing to be immediately concerned about here.
Might as well have not written the article then, but i had a good laugh.
And so the reality of digital online kicks in.
Time to plug the mega drive in.
I could see Sony putting out a patch on the far future that allows the discs to work, regardless if it has the virtual handshake from the server.
@Deadlyblack do you mean the drives? The discs work fine offline if the actual game is on it 🤣
@Northern_munkey I made the comment right after I woke up, gimme some slack lmao
Feels like an overreaction. Was this the first major outage since 2011? I mean if it happened more frequently I could understand the concern.
@GirlVersusGame - Hi, thanks for reply - I did mean Skynet from the Terminator Films, where the Machines Take-over - I realise not a direct reference to the Servers Being shut-down, as with Skynet the AI becomes so advanced it controls everything. - Not sure whether shutting down your PS 4 / 5 / 6 etc would be high on their list of World Domination.
Longevity is concerning here. If sony goes bust or they just want to move on, all games physical or not essentially die.
I bought the disc dive for my pro on a whim despite owning 0 physical games. Im now starting to think there is even less a reason to own a drive.
@EthanMars Nirvana fallacy. What you're asking for simply isn't achievable because everything inevitably goes wrong or breaks because that's the very nature of existence.
PSN works fine most of the time, that's the realistic expectation.
@Deadlyblack OK buddy no worries.
Wow, there’s an awful lot of pendulum swinging backlash criticizing anyone who voiced annoyance at the outage. “Go outside and touch some grass”, etc. I mean, yeah, I get it — it’s 24 hours of lost time gaming, not the end of the world, nobody died, no one was physically injured… but I think it’s reasonable to feel a bit annoyed. It’s like when you go out to get in your car and you have a flat tire — your day is basically ruined and you’re allowed to be a bit grumpy for a couple days. Or a closer comparison, when your internet goes down for a couple hours. It’s pretty maddening and inconvenient. Also, it’s not worth getting an ulcer over either.
For me, I’ll put my schedule up against anyone’s as far as time spent in tons of other non-gaming activities. Been “touching grass” all week. I game a fraction of most of the enthusiasts here. Was I annoyed that my Saturday plans got crippled? Yes. Do I feel bummed that I had a nice 3-4 hours set aside to make some progress on my backlog and I couldn’t? Yes. I don’t think it’s groundless to be a little disgruntled.
At the same time, I wouldn’t blow a gasket or lose sleep over it either.
Didn't notice the outage until I read about it on Reddit.
I turned on my PS5. Could t connect and play ESO. So I launched Streets Of Rage 4 and played solo and got the Platinum. Then I got back into God Of War: Ragnarok and played some of that. When PSN came back up, I got back on ESO. 🤷🏾♂️
I must be the only weirdo who tests consoles for offline playability for the day the net (or parts of it) go down. Playstation was only affected by anything requiring a license check or online functionality. I have zero on the first and a very small number on the 2nd. Like 5 I think. But I purchase all my games and have the system tested thoroughly. I will give the argument of subscription services having a major issue a strong nod tho. But I'd rather not be tethered to the net myself.
I had this exact issue. Argos delivered me a shiny new disc drive at 8:30, by 9:30 I was swearing and cursing because I'd factory reset my old console and my Pro was about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
But in however many years it'll be before it's an issue the Pro will have been through CEX (or similar) and I'll be on newer and shinier things. The original PS5 (disc edition) will be sat in the collection, probably not hooked up to anything. But it'll be there and be ready to play. Until disc rot sets into my collection.
It's not only games. Apps for various streaming services couldn't be accessed either. If you rely only on the Playstation console to watch movies / TV shows via streaming services, when PSN is down you cannot.
Unfortunate. If disk drives are sealed/not activated and sold around then yeah they become as good as a coaster without authentication. I get why they do it but it's still annoying.
Streaming services and more wouldn't work.
But DVDs/Blu-ray TV shows and movies would. CDs won't but do on an Xbox with a CD app but you have to download a CD and Blu-ray app (DVD/Blu-ray supported) to get them to work. PS4 and PS5 just come with that support out of the box.
But I can use non-spotify music apps and even other apps far more then Sony offers too so Xbox just has that app variety there.
None of the tied to the console already drives do this. A small percentage of people like myself use the disk drives for movies/tv shows anyways. Other security factors as well.
Like come on.
Online DRM games it makes sense.
Digital if done right should work offline. Play At Home worked last time for me. I didn't test any of my games I've purchased digital or Play At Home as just was busy playing other games to not care enough to test or remote play either as I expected it to not work due to on my phone it's account sign in. On Vita with account signed in if it just syncs to my modem/access point/etc methods people use and the console then sure but if it has to verify the connection and all this other stuff it's not usable compared to a Wii U where it's just between 2 chips not some other obstacle and wifi reach then a local chip reach of the Wii U (other services wouldn't work but those are down anyway).
Disks should work regardless. Even if just licenses or however much data is on there and usable.
Trophies not syncing sure that's fine. PS4 and CMOS Battery stuff was clear of this, while PS3 it works fine offline regardless of syncing but it operates differently. Old network sure sign in didn't work but I used the Vita store with my Vita turned off to on (compared to say a Vita sitting there sleeping or a PS4/5 in rest mode cached) but my PS4 store access wouldn't with my PS4 turned off to on.
@Member_the_game or perhaps not try to make dismissive comments about things that were actually upsetting to people... it was kind of condescending.
Knew this gen was never going to work whilst away for months on a ship, without WiFi. I could have used ps4 or ps3 but opted on a steam deck. Now unless you are online you can't.play single player anything from EA, or Rockstar. I managed to get Ubisoft working after a faff, but you need internet to start. It's annoying when you've bought your licence or whatever garbage they call it this year, but I bought it. It may say in the 50000 page smallprint that I must always be online, anyone read it. Mass effect on steam needs an EA login and always online, no multilayer, just corpo neredowells forcing their rules on us. It's only getting worse going digital.
@Old-Red I recently bought GT6 on PS3 from Cex and it downloaded the patches and wouldn't start up. The bigger problem is the reliabce on patches to even boot.
I can still play Streets of Rage Ii on my Mega Drive from start to finish. I guess the online world has just made developers/hardware manufacturers lazy.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
You're definitely over thinking it dude.
It was intended as a light hearted joke comment..... nothing more...... nothing less
@Member_the_game have you ever considered, that what you think may be a light hearted remark might not be considered that? But that's fine... keep going.
My OG PS5 disc drive worked fine during the outage, I tested it just to make sure. That being said, I'm so grateful I got my wife and I am Xbox to compliment our PS5 consoles. While the outage was affecting everyone my wife and I enjoyed our Friday night playing Black Ops 6, Fortnite, and Rocket League. Saturday morning I spent my time deep inside ancient Egypt exploring tombs in assassin's creed origins. Definitely glad I'm able to enjoy the best of both worlds. I love PlayStation and I love Xbox, happy gaming y'all ✌️
If, by chance, this happens to you....play something else for a while 🤷🏻
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
Noted......
But I want to genuinely assure you that no offence was intended by my initial comment
Honestly, if you want to fully own a game you need a switch. That's kind of what I got from all this. That, and I'm glad that PSN isn't required for PC
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