
We can't help but feel a little apprehensive as we inch closer to the start of Season 2 of HBO's adaptation of The Last of Us. As we are now officially entering The Last of Us 2 territory, it's almost time for the much larger TV audience to discover one specific reason why that game was so controversially received.
We won't actually spoil it here for those still in the dark, but suffice it to say, Season 2 is likely going to kick off with a bang, one which players of the game will undoubtedly recall. We had some small debate here at Push Square about the exact timing, but we imagine that we'll see *that scene* in the first episode, airing on 13th April. The official word from the creator himself is that "I'm not confirming or denying anything".
Speaking to the newly resurrected Game Informer, Naughty Dog's big boss and HBO showrunner Neil Druckmann is both "excited and curious" to see how mainstream audiences will react. As 40 million people ultimately watched the series premiere, we imagine many will be returning for Season 2, and your parents likely aren't prepared for what happens next.
However, Druckmann implies that the scene in question might not play out precisely how players of the game remember: "When we're making it, we're just so focused on making it that I try not to think about what the reaction will be, but I'm very excited and curious to see what the reaction will be from people who are not familiar with the story and people who are familiar with the story, going over similarities and differences."
The Naughty Dog boss himself is now long-enured to the oftentimes overblown reactions of fans unused to challenging media, and is instead just intent on doing the very best job of bringing the games to life possible:
"I don't have any control over [fan reactions], so I'm not going to be worried about it. I have control over crafting the thing in front of me and leading a team to do that. So I want to make sure that we make something we're extremely proud of and very thoughtful in making. Then, we put it into the world, and the reaction is not up to us. That's up to our fans and how they react."
Are you ready for Season 2 of HBO's The Last of Us? Do you think we will see the scene in question in the first episode, or will Druckmann and co drag things out? Try to hammer out the timeline in the comments section below.
[source gameinformer.com, via eurogamer.net]
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Spoiler alert, Neil, it won't be great. Adapting a turd surprisingly results in another turd. My guess is the normie crowd will be upset that HBO Ned Stark'd again.
Joel was not even the main character in the show so why would it be a big deal anyway?
Literally no one was able to build up a connection with that character in the show.
The impact it had in the masterpiece game was because it was a completely different set-up and it was the maun character.
Plus why didn't they hire good filmmakers (mainly dop) for the show, it looks so cheap 😐
It's kinda ironic how ND (wait Naughty Dog, Neil D..) is the most talented and best game studio but the series is such generic and mediocre quality (it's okay and all)
Wow - wall to wall TLOU part 2 (sounds like a nursery rhyme)...
Maybe there is too much coverage of a good thing?
As for timeline - I think Abby's character is undergoing some major re-coats... and I'm guessing that she won't get the prelude intro that she got in the game, but rather will remain a more shadowy figure at the start (so I wouldn't be surprised if they skip the 'scene' either entirely - or mostly - and make it more that Ellie sees the scene only partially... the precursor scenes with Abby brings both tension in game, but narrative whiplash to an audience that wasn't perhaps as inundated with spoilers as the majority of players were (not me). I do think the game telegraphed what was going to happen too much anyhow... so it could be well and truly worked over and shortened (to fit a relatively small show run - even over two seasons).
edit - I do think it will be interesting to see how they handle Abby's "threat" given they've down-sized her... it could be by making her more sadistic/callous (but this would also run counter to the other half of the narrative IMO).
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare "Wow - wall to wall TLOU part 2." Welcome to pushsquare...on a more serious note there will probably be a huge online backlash over the series just as there was with the games where things didn't go the way the "fans" expected..no demanded they went. I don't like the games and I have no intention of watching the series but that dosnt mean I don't see why people like them. They are exceptional games but they just don't tick that box for me. Here's to more articles about this 😉
Fans were outraged by Joel's death because they loved Joel. They had built a connection up with him - and no amount of "he's just a fictional character!" from those who dismiss such feelings will change that any more than me saying "it's just a couple of guys kicking a ball about!" will stop a football riot.
@Northern_munkey I would rate them as some of (if not the) best games on PlayStation... but I also understand why TLOUp2 annoyed (and unfortunately angered) many fans. I think a lot of the anger was mis-placed (and I'm sure something similar - though less vehement will follow the series).
For me, I watched the series, but personally didn't find that it added anything substantive to the gaming experience (and in many way short-changed the world the game built). I understand it's subjective - so mileage will vary between people. If you didn't like the games - then the series doesn't add a lot (and I think TLOUp2 will increase the divide even amongst the non-gamer audience).
On that note - Team Abby all the way (ok... just assuming we're now officially in the MCU Iron-man vs Cap dynamic). Sigh - and before the hate begins, we can all just sit back and enjoy the story without getting ANGRY (yet still voice our opinions).
I also understand that ND/HBO are ramping up their marketing - including getting stories on gaming related sites (through negotiation, or just knowing sites need to feed the beast). I just don't think so many of these stories are necessary.
As a straw poll of 2 - both my (nearly) 18yo son and I both rate TLOUp2 as one of the best - but both of us are pretty ambivalent about watching Season 2 - especially if they start changing up characters/story beats too much. Being a little bit older than 18... by a few parsecs (to use Han-Solo-science)... I understand why changes need to be made, but then again, I think there's a big difference in artistic licence in books (where the reader is a co-creator) and games (where the gamer is more a passenger in this style game). So I'm not sure how big changes would work - but I also understand doing a beat-for-beat isn't that interesting either.
Are they changing Abby to be more of a "real" person this time just so they can make "Last Of Us Part 2: Original Director's Vision Cut Remastered Remake of A Former PS5 Game Now On PS6"-edition??
Probably.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Regarding Abby's new threat level as a more slightly built woman, as I said on yesterday's article, the strong masculine is determined by muscles, not the strong feminine.
Look for example at Lena Headey's character in "Dredd" who is absolutely believable as a drug dealing, genital-chomping psycho. Or to stick with Headey, Circe, who again is absolutely believable as a black widow sociopathic blueblood.
There may be a golf club involved in the final product, but we can do SO MUCH MORE with the character than the rather one-note version that we got in the games.
@LifeGirl I don't disagree that they can change the Abby character - but my point was only that they need to seriously alter it. Part of Abby is the single-mindedness in purpose (the construction of a weapon of war - that subverts gender). The threat (IMO) is accentuated by the 'shock' value that this is a woman - not the typical male representation of anger. EDIT - I think you may be reading into comments too much... of course strong women don't need muscles... but that was a core part of the Abby character in the game. It was the mainfestation of her anger, and the barrier between her and Owen. It can be replaced, but it needs to be equally stark IMO.
But Abby's beauty as a character is that the outside is her coping mechanism - the daughter remains inside, knowing, seeing - and also struggling with what she has become, and what she has done. Abby's character needs to be forceful - to drive the revenge expedition - she needs to be threatening (without her friends) and she needs to still possess that humanity despite her transformation. At least, that's my take. They can't make her a victim at the start... and they can't make her weak or dependent on others. She (and her actions) provides the momentum for the entire game - so it will be interesting how they transform this to the series format.
@Northern_munkey actually I was thinking a little more about your comment, and I actually think there IS an article there... why don't some people clck with TLOU (which is often touted as being the best of the best - me included). I think people often get pigeon-holed into "anti- this or that" but I think there's something to ND games.
I think the same thing applies to the Uncharted series... a lot of people love them (me included) but at the same time, I can also see them viewed as nothing more than glorified theme-park-rides (but for me, apparently that's what I enjoy); and I wonder whether there's a core aspect of modern ND game development that rubs some people the wrong way. That would be an interesting topic - if it could avoid being sucked down the culture-war-sink-hole.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Jesus don't open that can of worms..
I loved TLOU part 2. Personally in terms of story, atmosphere and impact it only gets beat by the 1st.
I think Joels death made sense not just for the plot of 2 but in terms of general mortality rules of fictional stories.
It was done in a brutal way to make even more impact and that worked perfectly.
I'll be going into the 2nd series expecting the unexpected, I don't think they will stick fully to the plot of the game and I'm looking forward to see if it's as good as series 1 was
Any deviation in the TV series from TLoU 2's story and in the particular the time line in which events were told in the game, is an acknowledgement that those of us who criticised the writing were not members of some covert Waffen SS Division as the diehard fans and games media made out, but actually knew a thing or two about story telling.
If as they all claimed it is 10/10 flawless across the board, why change it...
I think subverting expectations, or at least doing it as badly as ND did, is going out of fashion in Hollywood.
True enough that he won't have any control over fan reaction. Let's hope it's the one that he's hoping he gets.
It’s always strange to see the pendulum swing after time passes. The TV show was universally praised when it released, and it was an absolute phenomenon. Now there’s a growing narrative out there that it stunk. The human psyche is so weird.
On the subject of season 2 and how it and its plot will be received, I think some of the impact may be lost because of the time that has transpired between seasons. Are casual viewers really all that connected to the characters like the gamers are? I wonder.
Season 1 was rushed, viewers couldn't bond or built any connection with the main characters. Adding episodes where they were almost not in it didn't help either. For that it will not have the same impact as Ned stark in Game of Thrones.
Don't get me wrong, the serie is good in it's own way, but it could have been alot better. It won't ever have the same impact as the game.
This HBO series is a bit of a bust tbh. S1 was terrible. They butchered the story and the casting was way off. They couldn’t have picked worse actors for the lead roles.
@ItsBritneyB_tch Season 1 was waaaaay to rushed too. I know it was probably a budget thingie, but they skipped so many essential scenes in my opinion. Hardly any infected at all in some episodes. I hope they fix that in Season 2.
I can’t wait. The first season was fantastic.
This is such an emotionally charged IP. Both games were objectively brilliant for their genre and I was incredibly satisfied with each of them. The admittedly controversial start of part 2 super charged the dynamic of the remaining story in my opinion.
The HBO show is a mostly faithful adaptation and high quality TV in its own right compared to a lot mediocre offerings nowadays.
It's the choice of the storytellers at the end of the day - some books, TV shows and games don't always turn out how I hope they will but I don't jump on the internet to threaten and abuse strangers - isn't there enough nonsense in the world already?
@Th3solution It's not the 'human psyche' it's access media and bot campaigns.
Entertainment media is shameless in their HBO boosting, there was no chance a major show from that network was getting anything but praise from those outlets. That's how they earn their early access and preferential scoops in the future. Then add in astroturfed social media bots designed to nurture 'organic' enthusiasm (everyone does it in Hollywood). Not saying no one genuinely enjoyed it, some did, but any dissenters were drowned out by design.
Once the critics move on and the bot campaigns are no longer being paid to continue you can see the actual viewer opinion with less of a rose-colored filter. It was mixed. The show had some highs, but it was also rushed in places.
@glennthefrog I think you’re right to a large degree. But observationally (I don’t have the ability or the patience to do an empiric analysis) the commenters on Push Square also seems to have done a 180. Most were quite enthused with the show, people all sharing stories about their non-gaming parents and their wives sitting down and enjoying the show with them and how well it all turned out it general. Then to see so many of our very own users come back and say the show was trash is giving me whiplash. Perhaps I’m misremembering things from 2 years ago. Or perhaps it is more related to your point in that people were just glowing about the show in some kind of weird digital peer pressure type of influence, or that I didn’t see comments from the 20 people who didn’t like the show because 100 people who liked it drown them out. Either way though, I’ve seen a revisionist history like this happen a lot with other products around here. And it’s nothing against people having the right to an opinion, but I do think there’s a weird human nature to over-react in a negative way to a products success, after the initial hype of the product calms down. That’s why I felt there was a psycho-social aspect to the about-face we are seeing.
The problem with The Last of Us Part 2 is that it’s written for and by film nerds. The enjoyment for them largely comes from using the information presented to infer character histories, motivations, and other events that happen off screen. With games, most of these are stated directly so the players can focus on game mechanics. Considering all that, the HBO audience is likely to really enjoy the next season. If you don’t or didn’t like the game, that’s OK. Best to move on to something that adds value to your life.
I’m more curious about the pregnant girl getting killed as well as the skyscraper people. This is going to be a shocking season all around.
I don’t think it’ll be episode one. It’s a huge game, and there’s a chunk of story they can cover before the scene. They’re gonna take their time, I imagine!
Sometimes me thinks Neil druckman is a masochist
My problem with the source material is not the decision they made with Joel, it was rather how they decided to turn Ellie's character into pure plot device with no logical motivations based on the character that was portrayed up to those points. I found the writing of the sequel to have been subpar compared to the original - it was more akin to a fan fiction product than a sequel by those involved with the original - and this is where I always bring up the point that the sequel lacked the other half of the magic of the first game: Bruce Straley. In my mind, Neil is just not that good without him.
I did not care enough for the show to watch it.
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