@moomoo Agreed totally. I love fighting games. I'm also way less than average in my fighting skills! Love how DOA 5 on my Vita is soooo easy to have fun with, yet still has more depth of skill than I will ever attain! I have played some online matches where I was amazed by the skill of the fighters. It made me go back to training to try to learn some new skills. A fun game....that I will never have the time to learn all it's nuances.
@moomoo Some excellent points! I especially glad you mentioned 'brand awareness'. It is amazing how we all sit here sometimes believing that everyone else has their choice swayed by media through brand awareness and we somehow are able to see above it all.
Let's take a look at one of the most mentioned points that reviews are making when marking KZ Merc down. 'Nothing original in it's genre'....seen it mentioned lots as a reason that KZ Mercs is not 'best in class' (I disagree with you and many reviewers that the FPS on a handheld should be reviewed score wise against it's home console counterparts, but for now I will leave it at that). Now let's have a look at the Mario platform games. I am personally of the opinion that they have changed very little over the years. Yet while mentioned in reviews, they are seldom marked down low for this reason. Now let's look at it's home console counterparts that have pushed the genre forward....Mario Galaxy series....I have to admit they are top in their genre! But wait.....Nintendo have been unable to produce those on their handheld. Technical limitations of the handheld? Is that not what limits parts of KZ Mercs? Maybe you can already see my train of thought to why I think comparing either of these games to their home console counterpart is not exactly fair.
I do get your point about the different genres on the handhelds in relation to their home console counterparts. I can see there is a difference that would make the weighing up of finances more likely. I think though that 'brand awareness' is also more an aspect as to why many see Nintendo products as 'delivering some of the best games in their genre'. I do think that the psychology of 'brand awareness' has more to do with the Vita being perceived as having low quality games than the games actually being of low quality.
I do have more reasons as to why I believe that comparing KZ Mercs directly to it's home console counterparts is not entirely in line (or fair lol) with how Nintendo portable games are compared to home console and how the scores are effected. I better stop now though, as while I am enjoying our conversation, this could soon drift off the topic lol. Enjoyed your responses...thanks.
@Legendaryboss Agreed. Sony have now changed their tack. Yep many still think it's a PS3 pocketable lol. Just watched the first level run through on YT and I'm mightily impressed...still can't believe that this is on a handheld and still people moan haha
@moomoo Again it is a matter of perception. I do not own a PSP or PS3 and judge the games from owning the handheld only. So for me I could not care less if they are exclusives or not. Do they work on the handheld? For myself they do.
Also cost is relevant, but as I often buy the games when they are in the sales. I've bought many games for less than half their original price (digital and disk). So maybe my expectations are not what others have? I've played many 3DS games too, and while good, I don't see them as superior, just different. Also I think they have adjusted price in the UK, as many new games come out at £30 new, as opposed to £40 when the system was new.
I've played many games on many systems. This gen I had a 360 and played on my friends PS3 and PC. Are people's expectations different between the Vita and 3DS? I believe some of your points may hint at this. Is Soul Sacrifice any more repetitive than Monster Hunter. I have the PSP versions of Monster Hunter, but will admit only having spending a little time with a friends 3DS version. I'm currently playing Soul Sacrifice and yes it is repetitive, but it can be argued it is repetitive, in the same way as Monster Hunter.
Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about a Vita vs 3DS stance, more a look at how the two are being perceived. I do believe that Sony perpetuated an initial view of what the Vita was going to be, that it could never attain!
I remember when the DS came out and how people said that was a wrong design choice....and many of the early games failed to use the two screen design in any meaningful way. I admit to only having played Gravity Rush for a few hours so far, but have found little 'forced' in it...yeah I agree that Uncharted has some. It is early days for Devs as they get used to how best use the Vitas feature set.
I understand many people are swayed heavily by the so called 'system sellers' and the 'next big thing', but myself I just like to see good fun games on Vita....and that I see many. Having played many Mario games, they are not worth the money to myself (Nintendo rarely discount), but I can still see their worth to others. Mario and many other system sellers IP's are very much in the eye of the beholder and through marketing and market presence, sway many...hence the high sales Nintendo are having with the 3DS.
So back to my points...does the Vita have games? Yes it does. Does the Vita have quality games? I believe so, but of course that will always be subjective. I believe that your reply maybe hints more about the Vita needing perceived 'system sellers' and better marketing than the actual quality of the games. At 44 I've played most Nintendo IP's to death and while I admit their quality, I find an equal amount of quality handheld games on the Vita.
If I was to be the type of guy that believed in conspiracy theories, then mine would be 'The Governments of the World unit to destroy Vita'!
I currently have a nice selection of Vita, PSP, PS1 and Mobile games on my Vita....about 100 or so games....some bite sized, some 'AAA' or so they call them. Yet the game world seems convinced there are 'NO GAMES ON VITA'!!!
Metacritic listings show plenty of games. Less than the 3DS that has been out longer, but not by many! But the scores! The scores are on average lower than many 3DS games.
So 'NO GAMES ON VITA' is quite obviously false. So...are the games of a lower quality, if the scores are to be believed? I personally chose the Vita over the 3DS this time around (DS over PSP last time), because it has the games I wanted. lots of games....lots of quality games too, in my opinion. This is not to say, that I would not buy a 3DS one day.
Where did the Vita myths come from?
'No games?' - possibly a backlash from the lack of physical games in stores (well next to 3DS games in the UK anyway).
'Poor quality games' - I think this is due to in part Sony advertising along the lines of 'PS3 in pocket' and hence all the games are judged against PS3 games.
I've decided to have a detour from my Vita and get a 3DS XL until Sony give me bigger memory cards. I now have way too many games that are not on a card and hence have to keep swapping with others. I will wait for Sony to release 64GB cards at the current price of the 32GB cards. They will more than make up the money in what people spend on download games.
I think episodic games are a great idea. Small entrance fee and than if the game is good enough to hook one in....that feeling of looking forward to a new episode, like reading a series of books.
I have a 32gb and a 4gb, both full. I have some games just on my computer hard drive.
Sony have lost money from me due to the memory card issue. I would buy a 128gb card if reasonable priced and probably be close to filling it by now.
The Vita is currently my only gaming machine as kids and family get in the way of being able to use the TV. I love the ability to pick up my Vita at any time and have choice of many games. Games do not work when changing memory cards for myself.....if it is not on my 32gb, I will rarely play it (I rarely play my 10 games on cards either).
The cost compared to Ipod/Ipad memory is about even and at least upgrading is possible, but in an age where media downloads are going to be the main source of income, 32gb max is cutting your own throat Sony.
I enjoy the Indie approach Sony is taking. I enjoy the PSP and PS1 games too, but now I doubt I will buy much more until bigger cards are available (at a reasonable price). I can buy a 3DS XL with a large cheap card for under £200, which is probably what Sony would have got off me in games in the next six months if I had room...........rant................rant............
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@moomoo Agreed totally. I love fighting games. I'm also way less than average in my fighting skills! Love how DOA 5 on my Vita is soooo easy to have fun with, yet still has more depth of skill than I will ever attain! I have played some online matches where I was amazed by the skill of the fighters. It made me go back to training to try to learn some new skills. A fun game....that I will never have the time to learn all it's nuances.
Re: Review: Killzone: Mercenary (PlayStation Vita)
@moomoo Some excellent points! I especially glad you mentioned 'brand awareness'. It is amazing how we all sit here sometimes believing that everyone else has their choice swayed by media through brand awareness and we somehow are able to see above it all.
Let's take a look at one of the most mentioned points that reviews are making when marking KZ Merc down. 'Nothing original in it's genre'....seen it mentioned lots as a reason that KZ Mercs is not 'best in class' (I disagree with you and many reviewers that the FPS on a handheld should be reviewed score wise against it's home console counterparts, but for now I will leave it at that). Now let's have a look at the Mario platform games. I am personally of the opinion that they have changed very little over the years. Yet while mentioned in reviews, they are seldom marked down low for this reason. Now let's look at it's home console counterparts that have pushed the genre forward....Mario Galaxy series....I have to admit they are top in their genre! But wait.....Nintendo have been unable to produce those on their handheld. Technical limitations of the handheld? Is that not what limits parts of KZ Mercs? Maybe you can already see my train of thought to why I think comparing either of these games to their home console counterpart is not exactly fair.
I do get your point about the different genres on the handhelds in relation to their home console counterparts. I can see there is a difference that would make the weighing up of finances more likely. I think though that 'brand awareness' is also more an aspect as to why many see Nintendo products as 'delivering some of the best games in their genre'. I do think that the psychology of 'brand awareness' has more to do with the Vita being perceived as having low quality games than the games actually being of low quality.
I do have more reasons as to why I believe that comparing KZ Mercs directly to it's home console counterparts is not entirely in line (or fair lol) with how Nintendo portable games are compared to home console and how the scores are effected. I better stop now though, as while I am enjoying our conversation, this could soon drift off the topic lol. Enjoyed your responses...thanks.
Re: Review: Killzone: Mercenary (PlayStation Vita)
@Legendaryboss Agreed. Sony have now changed their tack. Yep many still think it's a PS3 pocketable lol. Just watched the first level run through on YT and I'm mightily impressed...still can't believe that this is on a handheld and still people moan haha
Re: Review: Killzone: Mercenary (PlayStation Vita)
@moomoo Again it is a matter of perception. I do not own a PSP or PS3 and judge the games from owning the handheld only. So for me I could not care less if they are exclusives or not. Do they work on the handheld? For myself they do.
Also cost is relevant, but as I often buy the games when they are in the sales. I've bought many games for less than half their original price (digital and disk). So maybe my expectations are not what others have? I've played many 3DS games too, and while good, I don't see them as superior, just different. Also I think they have adjusted price in the UK, as many new games come out at £30 new, as opposed to £40 when the system was new.
I've played many games on many systems. This gen I had a 360 and played on my friends PS3 and PC. Are people's expectations different between the Vita and 3DS? I believe some of your points may hint at this. Is Soul Sacrifice any more repetitive than Monster Hunter. I have the PSP versions of Monster Hunter, but will admit only having spending a little time with a friends 3DS version. I'm currently playing Soul Sacrifice and yes it is repetitive, but it can be argued it is repetitive, in the same way as Monster Hunter.
Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about a Vita vs 3DS stance, more a look at how the two are being perceived. I do believe that Sony perpetuated an initial view of what the Vita was going to be, that it could never attain!
I remember when the DS came out and how people said that was a wrong design choice....and many of the early games failed to use the two screen design in any meaningful way. I admit to only having played Gravity Rush for a few hours so far, but have found little 'forced' in it...yeah I agree that Uncharted has some. It is early days for Devs as they get used to how best use the Vitas feature set.
I understand many people are swayed heavily by the so called 'system sellers' and the 'next big thing', but myself I just like to see good fun games on Vita....and that I see many. Having played many Mario games, they are not worth the money to myself (Nintendo rarely discount), but I can still see their worth to others. Mario and many other system sellers IP's are very much in the eye of the beholder and through marketing and market presence, sway many...hence the high sales Nintendo are having with the 3DS.
So back to my points...does the Vita have games? Yes it does. Does the Vita have quality games? I believe so, but of course that will always be subjective.
I believe that your reply maybe hints more about the Vita needing perceived 'system sellers' and better marketing than the actual quality of the games. At 44 I've played most Nintendo IP's to death and while I admit their quality, I find an equal amount of quality handheld games on the Vita.
Re: Review: Killzone: Mercenary (PlayStation Vita)
If I was to be the type of guy that believed in conspiracy theories, then mine would be 'The Governments of the World unit to destroy Vita'!
I currently have a nice selection of Vita, PSP, PS1 and Mobile games on my Vita....about 100 or so games....some bite sized, some 'AAA' or so they call them. Yet the game world seems convinced there are 'NO GAMES ON VITA'!!!
Metacritic listings show plenty of games. Less than the 3DS that has been out longer, but not by many! But the scores! The scores are on average lower than many 3DS games.
So 'NO GAMES ON VITA' is quite obviously false. So...are the games of a lower quality, if the scores are to be believed? I personally chose the Vita over the 3DS this time around (DS over PSP last time), because it has the games I wanted. lots of games....lots of quality games too, in my opinion. This is not to say, that I would not buy a 3DS one day.
Where did the Vita myths come from?
'No games?' - possibly a backlash from the lack of physical games in stores (well next to 3DS games in the UK anyway).
'Poor quality games' - I think this is due to in part Sony advertising along the lines of 'PS3 in pocket' and hence all the games are judged against PS3 games.
Re: Review: Killzone: Mercenary (PlayStation Vita)
Well said Visiblemode
Re: Talking Point: Sony Must Solve the PlayStation Vita's Memory Woes
I've decided to have a detour from my Vita and get a 3DS XL until Sony give me bigger memory cards. I now have way too many games that are not on a card and hence have to keep swapping with others. I will wait for Sony to release 64GB cards at the current price of the 32GB cards. They will more than make up the money in what people spend on download games.
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I think episodic games are a great idea. Small entrance fee and than if the game is good enough to hook one in....that feeling of looking forward to a new episode, like reading a series of books.
Re: Talking Point: Sony Must Solve the PlayStation Vita's Memory Woes
I missed a 'not'................."I will NOT buy much more until bigger reasonable priced cards are available....bet I am not the only one Sony.
Re: Talking Point: Sony Must Solve the PlayStation Vita's Memory Woes
I have a 32gb and a 4gb, both full. I have some games just on my computer hard drive.
Sony have lost money from me due to the memory card issue. I would buy a 128gb card if reasonable priced and probably be close to filling it by now.
The Vita is currently my only gaming machine as kids and family get in the way of being able to use the TV. I love the ability to pick up my Vita at any time and have choice of many games. Games do not work when changing memory cards for myself.....if it is not on my 32gb, I will rarely play it (I rarely play my 10 games on cards either).
The cost compared to Ipod/Ipad memory is about even and at least upgrading is possible, but in an age where media downloads are going to be the main source of income, 32gb max is cutting your own throat Sony.
I enjoy the Indie approach Sony is taking. I enjoy the PSP and PS1 games too, but now I doubt I will buy much more until bigger cards are available (at a reasonable price). I can buy a 3DS XL with a large cheap card for under £200, which is probably what Sony would have got off me in games in the next six months if I had room...........rant................rant............