@Jaz007 To be fair Playstation management is a lot worse than Microsofts....by my count Microsoft would have put out like 10 games in the past 12 months where you have Hermen Hulst thinking Concord would be Sony's Star Wars/Marvel....now that's poor management....also apparently he was demoted too
Explain how OW2 would have got 6 years dev time with Private Division who just recently shut down?
In fact OW2 runs on Unreal and guess what? Microsoft has a studio that specializes in Unreal that literally helps other studios (both external and internal studios) with Unreal optimization and....oh look at that....they're helping Obsidian ....
I wonder how this would happened if Obsidian was independent and working with Private Division 🤔
Explain Id Tech would have gotten massive investments with most Bethesdas underperforming? With Redfall being a disaster and Starfield launching in 2020? 🤔
You talk but can't provide counter arguments or good points
"Spider-Man "
100% would exist without Sony because another publisher would've grabbed it, EA Square etc.
In fact it was made on Insomniacs own Proprietary Engine which Sony didn't get ownership of until after they bought Insomniac, Sony didn't contribute technical side either and if Insomniac/Disney worked with another publisher nothing would have changed
"Helldivers Sony 100%,"
When Arrowhead was making the original Helldivers they could have gone to any publisher, if they had gone to EA, EA would own the IP, HD2 would be made under EA, nothing would have changed outside HD2 being on more platforms
"Returnal."
Housemarque might make crap, but any other publisher, EA, Square etc could have funded and marketed Returnal and buy the IP and even the studio, once again Sony signed the check, also a UE4 game, Sony contributed nothing technical either
"studios that worked with Sony "
I love this copium, all Sony did is sign a check, if these studios had gone to EA Take Two any publisher they could have done the same, Sony did nothing that no one else couldn't have done,
Sony has contributed nothing outside of $, which is fine but you make it sound like Jim Ryan himself went and made the games which is the best cope of all 😂😂
"Doom, outer worlds, Indiana jones etc. is just studios continuing to make the exact same games they’d have been making already and at the exact same scale and ambition."
Sure, with a struggling Bethesda and with Private Division lmao MS did more for these games than Sony did for any of the games I listed for Sony, their marketing has also been 1000x better for these games than Sony marketing Returnal
Doom Indy both got 15 minute developer direct segments and marketing, something Sony never did for Returnal. Hell its hilarious that Sony spent more time marketing Deathloop (which is ironically another Microsoft game now) than they ever did Returnal, Sony favored a third party game over its own first party 😂😂
"instrumental in the creation."
They weren't instrumenta outside of signing a check and marketing ...which is fine because that's all they need to do but that goes back to my original point that these games would exist even without Sony because Sony didn't make any meaningful contribution that wasn't monetary.
Maybe one example where Sony were involved Death Stranding which ran on Sony property engine, Sony was a lot more involved with Kojima making that game but that's a lot more involved than they were in the other games I listed
TLDR: Sony has done nothing for most of their games that another publisher couldn't do and those games would exist without Sony as Sony did nothing but sign checks and market
@ChrisDeku Now allow me to point out the flaws in your argument
"Literally every single one of those games would exist independently of Microsoft."
Interesting...lets see
Outer Worlds 2 would have to have been published by Private Division who...no longer exist...game also would have been rushed out as oppose to getting 6 years
Doom Dark Age would have been rushed out, would not have gotten massive investments into Id Tech that Microsoft has been making since day 1
Indiana Jones would have been rushed out, also benefiting from Id Tech and the marketing (both Indiana Jones and Doom Dark Age got major developer direct segments)
Also with the 2 Bethesda games Betheseda was also hurting financially because games like Dishonored 2, Evil Within 2 and Wolfenstein New Colossus all lost money....I'm curious where all the marketing and investments into their engines would have came from 🤔
Other games
Psychonauts 2: Because of MS the game got more time to cook and were able to add in boss fights
Wasteland 3: More time to cook
Meanwhile,
You know what else would have came out regardless of publisher? Spider Man...in fact Disney approached MS first about Spider-man but they passed on it....Sony didn't play any pivotal role in the game anymore than Microsoft with Indiana Jones
Stellar Blade, another game that was even announced for Xbox as Project Eve before Sony swooped in and bought the publishing rights for the game
Arrowhead would have found another publisher to make the original Helldivers (Sony bought the IP) so we know Helldivers (and by extension Helldivers 2) would came out regardless of Sony
In fact if we look at Returnal, Sony got the trademark for it June 11th 2020....if Sony weren't involved HouseMarqe would have made the game for another publisher, they would have made Alienation under another publisher too
Guess by your logic Sony isn't making "Games either" right? Like you said, Zero sum gain for consumers as these studios would have gone elsewhere to publish their games and Sony wasn't needed.
And to be fair yes...this also applies to Ninja Gaiden 4...if it came down to it Team Ninja/Platinum would have found another publisher to foot the bill.
All Sony/Microsoft are doing are signing checks and investing in the studios and IP's and marketing the games, and guess what? that's all they need to do so this idea of "Microsoft not making games" can apply to Sony unless Hermen Hulst himself is going down to the studios and coding and doing graphics programming and concept art....that's why your post is pure copium. If a publisher is footing the bill for everything then that's it, Because those games wouldn't be there without someone footing the bill or at the very least they wouldn't be in the same state (Psychonauts 2 without polish and boss fights or all Id Tech investments Microsoft is making per Phil himself)
"Most of the games they’re releasing are games that already existed"
Like what? Everything that's coming out was made post acquisition
-Outer Worlds 2 didn't start development until after OW1 came out in 2019...Microsoft bought Obsidian in 2018
-Doom Dark Age didn't start development until 2021 after MS bought Zenimax and Phil greenlit Doom Dark Age and made huge investments into ID tech
-Indiana Jones, didn't start pre-production until after MS purchased Zenimax
So which game exactly? You could say Black Ops 6....Starfield and Redfall were in development well before the acquisition but MS gave Bethesda extra time (2+ years for Starfield)
Nothing you say makes any logical sense and sounds like copium
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@Jaz007 To be fair Playstation management is a lot worse than Microsofts....by my count Microsoft would have put out like 10 games in the past 12 months where you have Hermen Hulst thinking Concord would be Sony's Star Wars/Marvel....now that's poor management....also apparently he was demoted too
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@ChrisDeku
“rushed out” ? "
Explain how OW2 would have got 6 years dev time with Private Division who just recently shut down?
In fact OW2 runs on Unreal and guess what? Microsoft has a studio that specializes in Unreal that literally helps other studios (both external and internal studios) with Unreal optimization and....oh look at that....they're helping Obsidian ....
https://gamerant.com/avowed-developer-the-coalition-unreal-engine/
I wonder how this would happened if Obsidian was independent and working with Private Division 🤔
Explain Id Tech would have gotten massive investments with most Bethesdas underperforming? With Redfall being a disaster and Starfield launching in 2020? 🤔
You talk but can't provide counter arguments or good points
"Spider-Man "
100% would exist without Sony because another publisher would've grabbed it, EA Square etc.
In fact it was made on Insomniacs own Proprietary Engine which Sony didn't get ownership of until after they bought Insomniac, Sony didn't contribute technical side either and if Insomniac/Disney worked with another publisher nothing would have changed
"Helldivers Sony 100%,"
When Arrowhead was making the original Helldivers they could have gone to any publisher, if they had gone to EA, EA would own the IP, HD2 would be made under EA, nothing would have changed outside HD2 being on more platforms
"Returnal."
Housemarque might make crap, but any other publisher, EA, Square etc could have funded and marketed Returnal and buy the IP and even the studio, once again Sony signed the check, also a UE4 game, Sony contributed nothing technical either
"studios that worked with Sony "
I love this copium, all Sony did is sign a check, if these studios had gone to EA Take Two any publisher they could have done the same, Sony did nothing that no one else couldn't have done,
Sony has contributed nothing outside of $, which is fine but you make it sound like Jim Ryan himself went and made the games which is the best cope of all 😂😂
"Doom, outer worlds, Indiana jones etc. is just studios continuing to make the exact same games they’d have been making already and at the exact same scale and ambition."
Sure, with a struggling Bethesda and with Private Division lmao MS did more for these games than Sony did for any of the games I listed for Sony, their marketing has also been 1000x better for these games than Sony marketing Returnal
Doom Indy both got 15 minute developer direct segments and marketing, something Sony never did for Returnal. Hell its hilarious that Sony spent more time marketing Deathloop (which is ironically another Microsoft game now) than they ever did Returnal, Sony favored a third party game over its own first party 😂😂
"instrumental in the creation."
They weren't instrumenta outside of signing a check and marketing ...which is fine because that's all they need to do but that goes back to my original point that these games would exist even without Sony because Sony didn't make any meaningful contribution that wasn't monetary.
Maybe one example where Sony were involved Death Stranding which ran on Sony property engine, Sony was a lot more involved with Kojima making that game but that's a lot more involved than they were in the other games I listed
TLDR: Sony has done nothing for most of their games that another publisher couldn't do and those games would exist without Sony as Sony did nothing but sign checks and market
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@ChrisDeku Now allow me to point out the flaws in your argument
"Literally every single one of those games would exist independently of Microsoft."
Interesting...lets see
Outer Worlds 2 would have to have been published by Private Division who...no longer exist...game also would have been rushed out as oppose to getting 6 years
Doom Dark Age would have been rushed out, would not have gotten massive investments into Id Tech that Microsoft has been making since day 1
Indiana Jones would have been rushed out, also benefiting from Id Tech and the marketing (both Indiana Jones and Doom Dark Age got major developer direct segments)
Also with the 2 Bethesda games Betheseda was also hurting financially because games like Dishonored 2, Evil Within 2 and Wolfenstein New Colossus all lost money....I'm curious where all the marketing and investments into their engines would have came from 🤔
Other games
Psychonauts 2: Because of MS the game got more time to cook and were able to add in boss fights
Wasteland 3: More time to cook
Meanwhile,
You know what else would have came out regardless of publisher? Spider Man...in fact Disney approached MS first about Spider-man but they passed on it....Sony didn't play any pivotal role in the game anymore than Microsoft with Indiana Jones
Stellar Blade, another game that was even announced for Xbox as Project Eve before Sony swooped in and bought the publishing rights for the game
Arrowhead would have found another publisher to make the original Helldivers (Sony bought the IP) so we know Helldivers (and by extension Helldivers 2) would came out regardless of Sony
In fact if we look at Returnal, Sony got the trademark for it June 11th 2020....if Sony weren't involved HouseMarqe would have made the game for another publisher, they would have made Alienation under another publisher too
Guess by your logic Sony isn't making "Games either" right? Like you said, Zero sum gain for consumers as these studios would have gone elsewhere to publish their games and Sony wasn't needed.
And to be fair yes...this also applies to Ninja Gaiden 4...if it came down to it Team Ninja/Platinum would have found another publisher to foot the bill.
All Sony/Microsoft are doing are signing checks and investing in the studios and IP's and marketing the games, and guess what? that's all they need to do so this idea of "Microsoft not making games" can apply to Sony unless Hermen Hulst himself is going down to the studios and coding and doing graphics programming and concept art....that's why your post is pure copium. If a publisher is footing the bill for everything then that's it, Because those games wouldn't be there without someone footing the bill or at the very least they wouldn't be in the same state (Psychonauts 2 without polish and boss fights or all Id Tech investments Microsoft is making per Phil himself)
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@ChrisDeku
"Most of the games they’re releasing are games that already existed"
Like what? Everything that's coming out was made post acquisition
-Outer Worlds 2 didn't start development until after OW1 came out in 2019...Microsoft bought Obsidian in 2018
-Doom Dark Age didn't start development until 2021 after MS bought Zenimax and Phil greenlit Doom Dark Age and made huge investments into ID tech
-Indiana Jones, didn't start pre-production until after MS purchased Zenimax
So which game exactly? You could say Black Ops 6....Starfield and Redfall were in development well before the acquisition but MS gave Bethesda extra time (2+ years for Starfield)
Nothing you say makes any logical sense and sounds like copium