@GADG3Tx87 let me ask you a more serious question. Think outside of the box.
One company keeps every thing they publish, exclusive to themselves.
A second company enters market.
Second company's audience asks first company to make games non exclusive and bring them to second company's product too. Because you know, more sales!
But first company choses to keep it to themselves to have people buy their product.
2nd company has 2 options.
1) bring their published games to both platforms
Result : first company's base doesn't need a reason to ever consider second platform. Because their console plays every thing! It is superior.
2) release it only on their own eco system
Result: first company's fan base is all unhappy that second company's fan base are hypocrites. Why? Because they are now changing their tunes to somehow support only their product when ball is in their court.
But here is the issue with 2nd option. If first company never decided to play ball in first place, the only logical choice for 2nd company is to do exactly what first company is doing and become "anti-consumer" / "brand-quality". What really is the choice for 2nd company outside of these 2?
Just give first company's fan base every thing without receiving any good will in return?
That sounds stupid.
At the end of the day, only thing first company is forcing 2nd compan to do is to use the exact same strategy that first company is deploying.
Look at the poll above. It doesn't matter what Sony does...
1) increase prices on first party games
2) offer cost based models to provide "re masters" while in some cases, hiding them behind another games pay wall. (spider man)
3) lie about product exclusivity on 2 occasions at the very least so far (MM, HFW)
4) draught of communication, which somehow magically becomes "hype mechanism" for loyal base. I mean I don't know exactly what it is but some people seriously need a dose of reality check.
5) they got the darn digital model available to them too btw. It ain't just one company that has digital only options available. Should you buy it, you can't take the games to your "friends" any more.
I am absolutely certain that most people in here are what you call a vocal minority that has like 3090 x 2 sli running in their 6000 dollars water cooled machines.
But let's be real. Most of you do not. Pc has always been an option but most aren't able to afford high end PC's that can replicate new Gen consoles without investing at least a grand.
And dude. Don't feed me BS about how game pass is end of every thing and thst it is the only option available to gamers on Xbox. I will tell you up front that you are absolutely bonkers if you believe that nonsense you wrote above. Heck you got 2 people who probably never touched an Xbox with a 10 foot pole nodding in your direction like you are bringing some holy word down to them.
I got a ps4 pro and I have 2 Xbox. I "buy" games digitally because I don't return my games.
Game pass is a bloody good "option" and not "the only way" to acquire games to play on Xbox. Get that ***** straight.
It allows you to test games and see if they are worth buying down the road should you wish to. If you already know a game is gonna be good, go ahead. Buy them like you do on switch or ps.
Ain't no one stopping you.
But stop spreading false information.
Edit : every company exists to make profit when they are not listed as not for profit organization.
Ms buying any developers is a business decision that is probably in response to every one, along this websites population, "52 %" at the very least, that claims that they do not have any thing titles that attracts them towards Xbox.
It's business. They will do every thing they can to make their ***** successful if they wish to stay in business. No company wants a flop product. Either they drop the product or invest more. Microsoft just invested 7.5 billion more to make that point.
No they aren't anti consumer. They are simply doing what they can to make people want to come to their eco system.
So far, judging by how pissed people on this website are, I think they are doing a fantastic job. No one gets pissed over something they don't care about.
Chosing to spend on new brand of developers that people may not give 2 ***** about, VS a massive company that owns 8 developers that, whether good or bad, have a very reputable portfolio.
@Shepherd_Tallon I am not dismissing your issue. The problem is that it is hard to figure out if you are honest about the issue or concern you raised because it is not easy to guess your tone with it.
I can apologize certainly for being abrupt in response to you but across 3 different websites, people are bringing up the exact same issue concerning Game pass, as if they somehow will not be able to buy games any more.
Game pass has its merits and it is certainly great for people who want to play games that they want to test out for as long as it is available. I have seen games being on Game pass for almost a year now. Once they go away, Game pass offers you to buy the games on Discount any way that you would have initially purchased at full price.
It is quite a useful tool to be honest and works great.
I have 2 copies of Halo MCC available to me because I got one from Walmart here, and when I found out the US version had that License Plate holder, I bought a second copy from USA as well.
I have never opened those games and they are still in the disc. The day Game pass removes them from its collection, i will pop the disc in and continue enjoying. Mind you, digital version didn't come with that Plate holder option, so i got stuck with Disk version.
I always buy my games digitally because I have my wife and I both play the same game on 2 separate consoles.
Game pass allows Both of us to play using Same subscription (my account as her Xbox' home account) and when game is going away, I buy it at a discount.
Edit: It is also important for me to note that NEVER have I ever seen a game locked behind subscription that was not available for purchase so far. At least in my experience, I have never had this issue. I have always been able to buy the games even when I am looking at them inside Game Pass. It takes you to a screen where you can "Install" the Game or "Purchase" the game.
@Stragen8 Yes, and at the same time, MS is not taking the option away for you to buy it on the very first day if you WISH to buy it the very first day. Every thing is still available to you as an option.
You can also wait and continue playing games on Subscription until the game falls off of game pass, and THEN buy it, for a cheaper price later down the road.
MS is simply giving you "1" additional option to play your game that the competition is not.
There is an option for me to buy a leased car or to finance that same car to own.
I chose to go lease and change cars every 4 years. You like to own yours. I am happy that you love to own them!
I have the option for both. I am not being offered lease only. I chose to have lease, just like you chose to have finance.
At the end of the day, if I have invested enough time where I feel that I will continue playing that fame even when it is being pulled off game pass! I will buy it. With a discount.
@nessisonett yes it is a choice. No one is forcing any one to mate with any one. It is purely a choice. The world is about choices, freedom of speech and all that other stuff.
@nessisonett I do not care about what your or his ideals are.
Keep the political discussion ideally away from an article that discusses a game that looks quite fantastic.
No, I really don't care if he is hurting your feelings. I can say that he has freedom to keep his company limited to whom ever he choses, and you have yours. Don't impose your ideals on him while expecting him not to want to maintain his.
Between you 2, it is apparent that No one has issues with trans people. However he has his preferences and you have yours.
Respect his preferences and views while asking him to respect yours.
He is not going out of his way to defend Rowling. You are going out of your way to go against her.
Please be respectful to each others preferences and choices. You are suggesting outrageous things to him that he has not suggested in any shape or form.
@Kefka2589 But when someone starts making false assumptions about what You have said, because they have "misunderstood" something and because it was "pretty ambiguous", you "CLARIFY" it. You do not allow that to continue going on and on for 3 months.
It is a big deal. They know where their fan base is. They know how to read like the rest of us do. They could have clarified this right back in June with people.
People were pissed at MS for wanting to support previous generations, and praised Sony for bringing MM and Horizon only to ps5 because they are so impossible to make for ps4.
However, when each company now changes their tune, one now supposedly has less games being offered on their previous generation of consoles, and other was quietly going to support previous generations, people can't just go 180, and suddenly switch their statements about wanting their console to only "Support the new tech".
Sony's focus on future only : "YAY"
Son's focus on generation : "Well, it is good! they have a huge gamer base on ps4"
MS' focus on generations : "LOL, We only want games that focus the new tech. We don't want games held back"
MS focus on future only : "Why are they switching sides? Why did they lie to us?"
@Bluetrain7 Yes, but just like how every one said that the games were going to be held back (I personally do not think they should be, depending on the approach of development) when MS suggested cross generational support, people will question the same to Sony now.
@theMEGAniggle It is about the omission and taking the "high road" when the actual intention was to pretty much do what the competition was doing in the first place.
This is not going to turn out into a great thing for Sony. Sony held back this information during first showcase and led every one to believe something entirely different.
Once they collected enough publicity, and had people dump on competition, they went the same route as the competition.
What a farce.
I will be buying a ps5 as I was going to in 2021 when Horizon came out, so nothing has changed for me.
I just disliked being lied to in form of "omission".
@Paranoimia just an FYI, you are incorrect. It was one of the most diversified lineup MS has ever shown. It had alot of different types of games that were not shooter. You should keep an eye out. Games weren't the issue. But the presentation it self was the problem. Incorrect build usage for halo for one, almost no game play for another.
Perhaps games are still early in development stages.
@lacerz they should be. It was a dumb move on their part for what happened. Even most die hard Xbox followers agree that MS dropped the ball in certain areas of that presentation. That show felt like a showcase for game pass, and not new generation console. Know what I mean?
@banacheck I am honestly checking articles and videos by insomniac, and they keep mentioning it being possible only on new Gen because of inclusion of ssd.
The game should be possible for Ps4, if the loading times and advance graphical techniques are lowered. This includes RT.
The graphics, controller triggers and the loading times are what Marcus from Insomniac was talking about in his video on why R&C is not possible on Ps4.
I am just going by what the director of insomniac has said. shrugs
There are already pictures floating showing the difference between assets in trailer and assets in demo, showing things that were missing in demo, including giant rocks and stuff.
I am Simply going to wait for this to happen. No way a game with a budget size that huge is going to be called "2015" when it's properly patched. It's just absurd to believe that and think Microsoft would allow for one of their most prized franchises to look like that in a machine they keep tooting as the most powerful console.
@Exlee300p I will save this comment of yours for future reference. "if and when" digital foundry does end up proving you wrong, I will notify you in future.
Thank you.
Edit: To clarify, I am mostly talking about the "power" portion of your comment, and that Xbox can't keep up on games with Sony. And that teraflops don't matter.
@Col_McCafferty see, I do actually have horizon but I do not enjoy God of war. It's the kind of game I do not enjoy.
Sorry about the long posts. Frankly, as far as graphics go? R&C is not next Gen. What is next Gen about R&C imho is the fact that it is utilizing a critical component of new generation ps, known as ssd.
Graphics? Nah. I respectfully disagree. I will buy the game regardless, because I love the way that game looks. Not because it has high end graphics. But because of the way that game looks. Crash bandicoot style. I love it.
With that said, halo, that every one is bashing, and I entirely agree, looked like a game from 2015.
Be reasonable for a moment. Drop your gloves for a second. Hear me out. It is absolutely clear to me, that the game build that halo demo was shown in is older than the one currently in development.
Please save my comment for future reference to prove me wrong in future and for the "I told you so!" factor.
I am almost absolutely certain that, had the game was not shown, it would have been a bigger disaster for the event. Why? Because the game actually looked fantastic from "playing" perspective. What it severely lacked was graphics. There is no way I can imagine this build being the current build when it was missing all the textures. Grass was popping in and out. It is clearly still in development but the development felt older than the one they are working with. I have seen trailers before and it's quite evident that the demo was on older build.
With that said. That game play was absolutely fantastic. Guns felt like they had heft behind them. Punches felt solid. Body thudding factor was there. What lacked was the graphics. Which I believe needs to be heavily adjusted before game is released.
They should have shown some game play. Any gameplay for a bunch of games. Even 10 seconds. But they didn't, which costed them at least 2 points in my score.
It is what it is. But be realistic. Be honest. Take a deep breath. You will see that they had tonnes of games, to suggest that they are working on giving games to their user base.
Let's be civil and keep our selves slightly more objective than the way we are behaving for the moment. 2/2
Let me be bloody honest about something that should be obvious to every one.
Ps event was not something godly. The only reason it did well was because it had a ps5 reveal in it. Other than that, there were maybe 3 or 4 very good games (one of which is partially build on a current game, spider man)
Sony however does not need to "impress" any one to have them buy their machine. People are already hell bent enough a ps, regardless of what happens with it. Sony doesn't have to make your mind up. It's always been made up.
On the other hand, MS is working on recovering from a disaster of a current generation reveal, which has taken years to revert the damage that was cussed in 2013.
Microsoft had to do exceptionally well to even sway the people into considering changing their target purchase from ps to Xbox. They failed that requirement.
Regardless of who says what about the quality of the show, one thing was absolutely clear in this show. , (which I honestly won't give more than a 7), was that no one can say with a straight face that Xbox does not have games worth playing.
Whether you play them on pc or Xbox, they do not care. But let's be very honest. Most of the population as per steam survey clearly shows that majority of gamers do not have high end PCs. Feel free to play games where ever you want. They exist. They will either be played on pc or Xbox, but they will be played nevertheless.
If any one who legit calls themselves a gamer, claim that games like hell blade, medium, fable, everwild, and a few others aren't worth playing, then don't kid your self. You are trying to behave like a rabid fanboy and not a legit gamer.
The mistake that this event made was that it didn't show in game footage, but to be honest? It still showed that they are working on bringing games to Xbox.
Whether "you like them" or not, is irrelevant. Your "liking them" is not a precursor for that game to be considered a game. (1/2)
@wiiware you are absolutely right about that. To be honest I am happy with all 3 and will be upgrading soon enough. I enjoy games way too much to pick a side and force my self not to buy the other's console.
@Richnj I agree. It is precisely why I believe that Microsoft doesn't care which platform you buy/play games on, as long as it's pc or Xbox. Their key performance indicator isn't entirely reliant on sales of console any more. They guage success differently, as you mentioned, by the sales of subscription now.
It is not that Sony is doing something remarkable. It is a combination of people's nostalgia, experiences from their gaming time when they were young, and their competitors just being plain stupid that got them where they are.
With that said, MS has put quite a bit of effort in turning things around. They have done a very decent job at it.
I also believe that I can't find even one site that comes close to favoring Xbox like this ones bias/favour towards Sony. I mean we have got a joker above who is reciting poems for Sony while bashing microsoft.
Media has strength. Bias makes it tough to guage things. Finding neutral opinion is tough.
Being owner of all ps, some vaios, surface machines and two generations of Xbox, I can tell you that I will put my trust in Microsoft's service far before I will in Sony's service.
Their vaio machines burnt me hard. I have lost abit of trust in them.
Also, let's not forget the hubris that sony has shown in past. Ms isn't the only one that has made mistakes. Sony has made some too.
>The problem with that statement is nobody cares about pc since AAA games sells less on pc compared to console, that's the reason gta 5 and red dead 2 is not launching as the same time as console.
This makes me wonder why every fanboy always claims to go with "I don't need other console when I have ps and pc combo".
I understand that people ***** when it comes to making their stories believeable.
>I don't even remember the last time there's AAA pc exclusives that aren't available on console. There's that AAA mmo spaceships and that's it.
Agreed.
>Also most of pcgamer didn't have $1000 vga card, just looks at steam hardware surveys, most of successful pc games is the one with old bad graphcis like csgo, wow, and mobas.
Yep. I agree. It's one of the main reasons why I wonder how I am so fortunate that every fanboy I speak to ends up being one of these elites who carry 4000 worth of pc.
I wonder how many of them just throw this ***** to make their console choice sound credible.
>I understand why microsoft does this, they know their new console will not be as successful as ps5 so they don't want to develops games exclusively for it, where as sony (and nintendo) knows that if they make compelling exclusives for their console, many will buy their console.
At the same time, I doubt that people will be able to put together a pc that can reliably put out graphics and frames in same class as the new consoles coming out this November.
Basically, what you said above about vga cards is pretty much why I believe that putting games both on Xbox and pc isn't because they believe their console won't sell.
It's simply their platforms. Both of them are their platforms.
I am not going to make random predictions for now regarding who will sell what and how much. It is not worth it discussing it.
>Heck, sony least successful console (ps3) sells about 87M, they're know their going to sells ps5 as long as the price is right.
It isn't only because Ps /Sony gets the price right. Ps is nostalgic for alot of us who started gaming way back in the day and purchased a ps1. We found it to be amazing back then, when compared to any other console out there.
I am quite comfortable in saying that ps2 was amazing. People have had fond memories around 2 of Sony's consoles before Xbox og even found its footing. Xbox honestly couldn't compare to ps2.
While Xbox 360 had rrod issue. It wasn't a bad console at all. Rather decent. I couldn't afford ps3 in 2008. My parents weren't able to afford it. I bought my 360 and ps3 in year 2011.
Ps4 VS Xbox one is rather simple to discuss.
Xbox axed it's own strategy by placing ass***** in charge of its marketing and management. Ps4 used that momentum and dashed to finish line.
@wiiware by that logic, no games should come to Xbox or ps, because pc is simply more powerful.
The point is, most developers are ok with it. Some make peace with sticking with one. Others can support both. It's in developers hand. No one is forced.
MS is supporting Xbox one platform for 1 to 2 years. Sony is still producing Ps4.
At the end of the day, both companies are doing the exact same thing. One however doesn't like to highlight it as a positive thing, other does.
@NeutronBomb a very valid argument and I agree with you.
I have a ps4 pro for when I find something I wish to play. But in my case, I have an Xbox one x where I want to play with people I know. I have all 3 consoles.
@themcnoisy just maybe in your head the conversation seems to be biased and in favour of Sony?
I do not believe in any of the nonsense you wrote above. Both console makers have their up's and downs. Stop trying to make one sound more intelligent than they are, especially with their past filled with hubris.
>"@get2sammyb kind of like backwards compatibility. Was never a thing until a certain console maker had no games."
I can't believe the nonsense you are throwing in this sentence here. Xbox has games just like Ps4. You simply do not like the games Xbox has as exclusives.
>Don’t get me wrong. It’s a nice feature, but I never had time for old stuff when there’s just too much new stuff to play
I am unsure a new division 3 is going to be released on Xbox series x or ps5, but I will continue playing that game until a new one comes out. I do not want to stack consoles underneath my tv or by my computer. I want to put one machine and be given the choice to play my previous games.
Your destiny 2 is going to have to work on ps5 as well btw.
@wiiware > "Sony is in the right here, it's 1st party jobs to shows what the new console can do, it's weird if they're chained to old console limitations."
I think you all have taken this a little too far with assuming that the games are going to be "vastly inferior" just because they have to be downgraded from new Gen to current Gen consoles for the sake of cross Gen support.
Until game developers say as much, I do not believe this to be the case.
I also think it gives people an option to not have to upgrade their console and save money in these times of hardship when money is not easy to come by. It is not a bad idea for a company to overlap their current Gen's relevance while their new Gen makes its appearance.
It is so weird for people not to understand that.
>It's kind of funny that phill says they don't like console war yet all he's doing is flaming it, taking shots at sony whenever he can.
Sony doesn't have to do much. People like the ones in comment sections I have seen, all are more than enough to encite these wars on their own. It's like dealing with Sony's holy army where Sony can do no wrong. It is hard to reason with fanboys at times.
>The last time sony taking shot at microsoft is 7 years ago when sony shows "how to lend games" video on youtube.
There have been other occasions as well.
>Granted, it's hell of a burn, lasting 7 years and beyond lol.
Remember when Sony claimed that people should find value in high priced ps3? Buy it even if they have to work extra? because it was just that great a value? Hubris at its finest.
MS is not "forcing" its "current generation" owners. It is no where expected for current owners to "upgrade" to next gen or be left behind.
MS is saying that "new console purchasers" aren't required to buy current Gen consoles. It is normal for a company to not produce current Gen machines when new Gen machines are being made publically available, especially when current Gen machines are years behind new generation being offered.
Your current generation console owners are not losing on "MS support". However new consumers interested in purchasing an "Xbox" will be able to obtain current Gen only if it exists (since it has already been produced). If it is not there, you can get a new Gen machine, which ever you are able to afford. For current consumers however, since they are already owners of current Gen, they do not have to worry about "purchasing new Gen" to continue playing Xbox.
Gosh, I had to literally register my self just to answer this silly comment.
When there is a heavy possibility that X Series S (Lockhart) is going to be a more affordable alternative available for new buyers who are more spending conscious, there is absolutely no need for them to purchase an older machine when it may be at best 100 bucks cheaper than Lockhart, and will be years behind.
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Re: Poll: Has Xbox's Bethesda Buyout Made You Reconsider a PS5 Purchase?
@Bubsbud you don't get it do you?
Ms doesn't care where you play, as long as it is pc or Xbox. You are still on their eco system.
It's really not that complex my dude.
Re: Poll: Has Xbox's Bethesda Buyout Made You Reconsider a PS5 Purchase?
@GADG3Tx87 let me ask you a more serious question. Think outside of the box.
One company keeps every thing they publish, exclusive to themselves.
A second company enters market.
Second company's audience asks first company to make games non exclusive and bring them to second company's product too. Because you know, more sales!
But first company choses to keep it to themselves to have people buy their product.
2nd company has 2 options.
1) bring their published games to both platforms
Result : first company's base doesn't need a reason to ever consider second platform. Because their console plays every thing! It is superior.
2) release it only on their own eco system
Result: first company's fan base is all unhappy that second company's fan base are hypocrites. Why? Because they are now changing their tunes to somehow support only their product when ball is in their court.
But here is the issue with 2nd option. If first company never decided to play ball in first place, the only logical choice for 2nd company is to do exactly what first company is doing and become "anti-consumer" / "brand-quality". What really is the choice for 2nd company outside of these 2?
Just give first company's fan base every thing without receiving any good will in return?
That sounds stupid.
At the end of the day, only thing first company is forcing 2nd compan to do is to use the exact same strategy that first company is deploying.
Look at the poll above. It doesn't matter what Sony does...
1) increase prices on first party games
2) offer cost based models to provide "re masters" while in some cases, hiding them behind another games pay wall. (spider man)
3) lie about product exclusivity on 2 occasions at the very least so far (MM, HFW)
4) draught of communication, which somehow magically becomes "hype mechanism" for loyal base. I mean I don't know exactly what it is but some people seriously need a dose of reality check.
5) they got the darn digital model available to them too btw. It ain't just one company that has digital only options available. Should you buy it, you can't take the games to your "friends" any more.
I am absolutely certain that most people in here are what you call a vocal minority that has like 3090 x 2 sli running in their 6000 dollars water cooled machines.
But let's be real. Most of you do not. Pc has always been an option but most aren't able to afford high end PC's that can replicate new Gen consoles without investing at least a grand.
And dude. Don't feed me BS about how game pass is end of every thing and thst it is the only option available to gamers on Xbox. I will tell you up front that you are absolutely bonkers if you believe that nonsense you wrote above. Heck you got 2 people who probably never touched an Xbox with a 10 foot pole nodding in your direction like you are bringing some holy word down to them.
I got a ps4 pro and I have 2 Xbox. I "buy" games digitally because I don't return my games.
Game pass is a bloody good "option" and not "the only way" to acquire games to play on Xbox. Get that ***** straight.
It allows you to test games and see if they are worth buying down the road should you wish to. If you already know a game is gonna be good, go ahead. Buy them like you do on switch or ps.
Ain't no one stopping you.
But stop spreading false information.
Edit : every company exists to make profit when they are not listed as not for profit organization.
Ms buying any developers is a business decision that is probably in response to every one, along this websites population, "52 %" at the very least, that claims that they do not have any thing titles that attracts them towards Xbox.
It's business. They will do every thing they can to make their ***** successful if they wish to stay in business. No company wants a flop product. Either they drop the product or invest more. Microsoft just invested 7.5 billion more to make that point.
No they aren't anti consumer. They are simply doing what they can to make people want to come to their eco system.
So far, judging by how pissed people on this website are, I think they are doing a fantastic job. No one gets pissed over something they don't care about.
Chosing to spend on new brand of developers that people may not give 2 ***** about, VS a massive company that owns 8 developers that, whether good or bad, have a very reputable portfolio.
It's just good business.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Online PS4 Support Unaffected by Microsoft Acquisition
@Shepherd_Tallon I am not dismissing your issue. The problem is that it is hard to figure out if you are honest about the issue or concern you raised because it is not easy to guess your tone with it.
I can apologize certainly for being abrupt in response to you but across 3 different websites, people are bringing up the exact same issue concerning Game pass, as if they somehow will not be able to buy games any more.
Game pass has its merits and it is certainly great for people who want to play games that they want to test out for as long as it is available. I have seen games being on Game pass for almost a year now. Once they go away, Game pass offers you to buy the games on Discount any way that you would have initially purchased at full price.
It is quite a useful tool to be honest and works great.
I have 2 copies of Halo MCC available to me because I got one from Walmart here, and when I found out the US version had that License Plate holder, I bought a second copy from USA as well.
I have never opened those games and they are still in the disc. The day Game pass removes them from its collection, i will pop the disc in and continue enjoying. Mind you, digital version didn't come with that Plate holder option, so i got stuck with Disk version.
I always buy my games digitally because I have my wife and I both play the same game on 2 separate consoles.
Game pass allows Both of us to play using Same subscription (my account as her Xbox' home account) and when game is going away, I buy it at a discount.
Edit: It is also important for me to note that NEVER have I ever seen a game locked behind subscription that was not available for purchase so far. At least in my experience, I have never had this issue. I have always been able to buy the games even when I am looking at them inside Game Pass. It takes you to a screen where you can "Install" the Game or "Purchase" the game.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Online PS4 Support Unaffected by Microsoft Acquisition
@Stragen8 Yes, and at the same time, MS is not taking the option away for you to buy it on the very first day if you WISH to buy it the very first day. Every thing is still available to you as an option.
You can also wait and continue playing games on Subscription until the game falls off of game pass, and THEN buy it, for a cheaper price later down the road.
MS is simply giving you "1" additional option to play your game that the competition is not.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Online PS4 Support Unaffected by Microsoft Acquisition
@Shepherd_Tallon so... What was the issue again?
There is an option for me to buy a leased car or to finance that same car to own.
I chose to go lease and change cars every 4 years. You like to own yours. I am happy that you love to own them!
I have the option for both. I am not being offered lease only. I chose to have lease, just like you chose to have finance.
At the end of the day, if I have invested enough time where I feel that I will continue playing that fame even when it is being pulled off game pass! I will buy it. With a discount.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Online PS4 Support Unaffected by Microsoft Acquisition
@Stragen8 was there an announcement or something that I missed?
Are Xbox games not going to be sold any more? Do you have to buy a subscription?
I am confused! What am I missing?
Re: The Elder Scrolls, Fallout Developer Bethesda Bought By Microsoft
@Zeke68 in what way were you supporting them in past, if you do not mind me asking?
Re: Hogwarts Legacy Is an Open World RPG, Will Allow You to Become the Witch or Wizard You Want to Be
@nessisonett yes it is a choice. No one is forcing any one to mate with any one. It is purely a choice. The world is about choices, freedom of speech and all that other stuff.
It is "always a choice".
Re: Hogwarts Legacy Is an Open World RPG, Will Allow You to Become the Witch or Wizard You Want to Be
@Zuljaras you are not incorrect. You have a valid point.
Re: Hogwarts Legacy Is an Open World RPG, Will Allow You to Become the Witch or Wizard You Want to Be
@nessisonett I do not care about what your or his ideals are.
Keep the political discussion ideally away from an article that discusses a game that looks quite fantastic.
No, I really don't care if he is hurting your feelings. I can say that he has freedom to keep his company limited to whom ever he choses, and you have yours. Don't impose your ideals on him while expecting him not to want to maintain his.
Between you 2, it is apparent that No one has issues with trans people. However he has his preferences and you have yours.
Respect his preferences and views while asking him to respect yours.
He is not going out of his way to defend Rowling. You are going out of your way to go against her.
Please be respectful to each others preferences and choices. You are suggesting outrageous things to him that he has not suggested in any shape or form.
Re: Sony Reiterates Ongoing Commitment to PS4, Like All Other PlayStation Consoles
@Kefka2589 Yes, specially when it takes few hours to get to a company's throat for making a claim or taking a stance.
3 Months is a ridiculous time to allow people to speculate with false assumptions.
Re: Sony Reiterates Ongoing Commitment to PS4, Like All Other PlayStation Consoles
@Kefka2589 But when someone starts making false assumptions about what You have said, because they have "misunderstood" something and because it was "pretty ambiguous", you "CLARIFY" it. You do not allow that to continue going on and on for 3 months.
It is a big deal. They know where their fan base is. They know how to read like the rest of us do. They could have clarified this right back in June with people.
People were pissed at MS for wanting to support previous generations, and praised Sony for bringing MM and Horizon only to ps5 because they are so impossible to make for ps4.
However, when each company now changes their tune, one now supposedly has less games being offered on their previous generation of consoles, and other was quietly going to support previous generations, people can't just go 180, and suddenly switch their statements about wanting their console to only "Support the new tech".
Sony's focus on future only : "YAY"
Son's focus on generation : "Well, it is good! they have a huge gamer base on ps4"
MS' focus on generations : "LOL, We only want games that focus the new tech. We don't want games held back"
MS focus on future only : "Why are they switching sides? Why did they lie to us?"
Words have consequences. Don't downplay this.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man Has Been Completely Remastered for PS5
Right, and we are to trust these guys this time that game is really not being held back.
Re: Sony Confirms PS5 Games Will Cost More
@nessisonett Better not buy the digital Ps5 bro.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
@BlueOcean Thank you so much for explaining this my friend
Re: Sony Insists Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales PS5 Reveal Was Not Misleading
@MarcG420 I guess that was a lie my man :/ (Response to post #24)
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
@BlueOcean That is so weird. So their games aren't going to be held back now or were they being held back before?
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
@theMEGAniggle I am checking UK Game prices too, and you guys aren't going to like em.
I am in Canada and prices will be high for us too.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
@BlueOcean Wait, those games aren't coming to xbox one S any more?
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
@theMEGAniggle I just hate things not being advertised for what they are. that is all.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
@Bluetrain7 Then why was every one claiming that Xbox was going to hold things back when games were being advertised as cross generation?
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
@Bluetrain7 Yes, but just like how every one said that the games were going to be held back (I personally do not think they should be, depending on the approach of development) when MS suggested cross generational support, people will question the same to Sony now.
You tell me, are games truly next gen?
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
@theMEGAniggle It is about the omission and taking the "high road" when the actual intention was to pretty much do what the competition was doing in the first place.
Comes across as sneaky and deceitful.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Coming to Both PS5 and PS4
This is not going to turn out into a great thing for Sony. Sony held back this information during first showcase and led every one to believe something entirely different.
Once they collected enough publicity, and had people dump on competition, they went the same route as the competition.
What a farce.
I will be buying a ps5 as I was going to in 2021 when Horizon came out, so nothing has changed for me.
I just disliked being lied to in form of "omission".
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@Dodoo honestly, I don't know how that game is developed for x1 and is being scaled up.
If I recall, check the Minecraft video demonstration they did. The difference between Ray tracing VS no ray tracing was huge.
I will do some more research and figure this out.
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@Paranoimia just an FYI, you are incorrect. It was one of the most diversified lineup MS has ever shown. It had alot of different types of games that were not shooter. You should keep an eye out. Games weren't the issue. But the presentation it self was the problem. Incorrect build usage for halo for one, almost no game play for another.
Perhaps games are still early in development stages.
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@lacerz they should be. It was a dumb move on their part for what happened. Even most die hard Xbox followers agree that MS dropped the ball in certain areas of that presentation. That show felt like a showcase for game pass, and not new generation console. Know what I mean?
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@banacheck I am honestly checking articles and videos by insomniac, and they keep mentioning it being possible only on new Gen because of inclusion of ssd.
The game should be possible for Ps4, if the loading times and advance graphical techniques are lowered. This includes RT.
The graphics, controller triggers and the loading times are what Marcus from Insomniac was talking about in his video on why R&C is not possible on Ps4.
I am just going by what the director of insomniac has said. shrugs
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@Dodoo nope. That honestly can't be the case.
There are already pictures floating showing the difference between assets in trailer and assets in demo, showing things that were missing in demo, including giant rocks and stuff.
I am Simply going to wait for this to happen. No way a game with a budget size that huge is going to be called "2015" when it's properly patched. It's just absurd to believe that and think Microsoft would allow for one of their most prized franchises to look like that in a machine they keep tooting as the most powerful console.
It doesn't make any logical sense to be honest.
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@Exlee300p I will save this comment of yours for future reference. "if and when" digital foundry does end up proving you wrong, I will notify you in future.
Thank you.
Edit: To clarify, I am mostly talking about the "power" portion of your comment, and that Xbox can't keep up on games with Sony. And that teraflops don't matter.
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@__jamiie absolutely agreed.
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@JJ2 again, the game it self is current Gen. Add Ray tracing and that quick teleport and dimension change and it's next Gen.
The graphical difference between current Gen and next Gen is not very much in my honest opinion.
And what I mean to say by that is that it's cartoonish. When people say "next Gen", I assume realism in graphics is what it's referring to.
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@Col_McCafferty I agree. All those and then some, still look better than that halo I saw. Graphics wise, it was crap..
As far as people disagreeing with me goes, I don't have an issue with that. I just want people to be logical when they do.
But if it's all about how Sony is where God resides, then I will honestly simply tell them to go take a hike.
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
@Col_McCafferty see, I do actually have horizon but I do not enjoy God of war. It's the kind of game I do not enjoy.
Sorry about the long posts. Frankly, as far as graphics go? R&C is not next Gen. What is next Gen about R&C imho is the fact that it is utilizing a critical component of new generation ps, known as ssd.
Graphics? Nah. I respectfully disagree. I will buy the game regardless, because I love the way that game looks. Not because it has high end graphics. But because of the way that game looks. Crash bandicoot style. I love it.
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
With that said, halo, that every one is bashing, and I entirely agree, looked like a game from 2015.
Be reasonable for a moment. Drop your gloves for a second. Hear me out. It is absolutely clear to me, that the game build that halo demo was shown in is older than the one currently in development.
Please save my comment for future reference to prove me wrong in future and for the "I told you so!" factor.
I am almost absolutely certain that, had the game was not shown, it would have been a bigger disaster for the event. Why? Because the game actually looked fantastic from "playing" perspective. What it severely lacked was graphics. There is no way I can imagine this build being the current build when it was missing all the textures. Grass was popping in and out. It is clearly still in development but the development felt older than the one they are working with. I have seen trailers before and it's quite evident that the demo was on older build.
With that said. That game play was absolutely fantastic. Guns felt like they had heft behind them. Punches felt solid. Body thudding factor was there. What lacked was the graphics. Which I believe needs to be heavily adjusted before game is released.
They should have shown some game play. Any gameplay for a bunch of games. Even 10 seconds. But they didn't, which costed them at least 2 points in my score.
It is what it is. But be realistic. Be honest. Take a deep breath. You will see that they had tonnes of games, to suggest that they are working on giving games to their user base.
Let's be civil and keep our selves slightly more objective than the way we are behaving for the moment. 2/2
Re: Poll: Did PS5 or Xbox Series X Have the Better Next-Gen Showcase?
Let me be bloody honest about something that should be obvious to every one.
Ps event was not something godly. The only reason it did well was because it had a ps5 reveal in it. Other than that, there were maybe 3 or 4 very good games (one of which is partially build on a current game, spider man)
Sony however does not need to "impress" any one to have them buy their machine. People are already hell bent enough a ps, regardless of what happens with it. Sony doesn't have to make your mind up. It's always been made up.
On the other hand, MS is working on recovering from a disaster of a current generation reveal, which has taken years to revert the damage that was cussed in 2013.
Microsoft had to do exceptionally well to even sway the people into considering changing their target purchase from ps to Xbox. They failed that requirement.
Regardless of who says what about the quality of the show, one thing was absolutely clear in this show. , (which I honestly won't give more than a 7), was that no one can say with a straight face that Xbox does not have games worth playing.
Whether you play them on pc or Xbox, they do not care. But let's be very honest. Most of the population as per steam survey clearly shows that majority of gamers do not have high end PCs. Feel free to play games where ever you want. They exist. They will either be played on pc or Xbox, but they will be played nevertheless.
If any one who legit calls themselves a gamer, claim that games like hell blade, medium, fable, everwild, and a few others aren't worth playing, then don't kid your self. You are trying to behave like a rabid fanboy and not a legit gamer.
The mistake that this event made was that it didn't show in game footage, but to be honest? It still showed that they are working on bringing games to Xbox.
Whether "you like them" or not, is irrelevant. Your "liking them" is not a precursor for that game to be considered a game. (1/2)
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@wiiware you are absolutely right about that. To be honest I am happy with all 3 and will be upgrading soon enough. I enjoy games way too much to pick a side and force my self not to buy the other's console.
Pleasure speaking to you bud.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@Richnj I agree. It is precisely why I believe that Microsoft doesn't care which platform you buy/play games on, as long as it's pc or Xbox. Their key performance indicator isn't entirely reliant on sales of console any more. They guage success differently, as you mentioned, by the sales of subscription now.
It would be nice if people understood this.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
Continuation...
It is not that Sony is doing something remarkable. It is a combination of people's nostalgia, experiences from their gaming time when they were young, and their competitors just being plain stupid that got them where they are.
With that said, MS has put quite a bit of effort in turning things around. They have done a very decent job at it.
I also believe that I can't find even one site that comes close to favoring Xbox like this ones bias/favour towards Sony. I mean we have got a joker above who is reciting poems for Sony while bashing microsoft.
Media has strength. Bias makes it tough to guage things. Finding neutral opinion is tough.
Being owner of all ps, some vaios, surface machines and two generations of Xbox, I can tell you that I will put my trust in Microsoft's service far before I will in Sony's service.
Their vaio machines burnt me hard. I have lost abit of trust in them.
Also, let's not forget the hubris that sony has shown in past. Ms isn't the only one that has made mistakes. Sony has made some too.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@wiiware
>The problem with that statement is nobody cares about pc since AAA games sells less on pc compared to console, that's the reason gta 5 and red dead 2 is not launching as the same time as console.
This makes me wonder why every fanboy always claims to go with "I don't need other console when I have ps and pc combo".
I understand that people ***** when it comes to making their stories believeable.
>I don't even remember the last time there's AAA pc exclusives that aren't available on console. There's that AAA mmo spaceships and that's it.
Agreed.
>Also most of pcgamer didn't have $1000 vga card, just looks at steam hardware surveys, most of successful pc games is the one with old bad graphcis like csgo, wow, and mobas.
Yep. I agree. It's one of the main reasons why I wonder how I am so fortunate that every fanboy I speak to ends up being one of these elites who carry 4000 worth of pc.
I wonder how many of them just throw this ***** to make their console choice sound credible.
>I understand why microsoft does this, they know their new console will not be as successful as ps5 so they don't want to develops games exclusively for it, where as sony (and nintendo) knows that if they make compelling exclusives for their console, many will buy their console.
At the same time, I doubt that people will be able to put together a pc that can reliably put out graphics and frames in same class as the new consoles coming out this November.
Basically, what you said above about vga cards is pretty much why I believe that putting games both on Xbox and pc isn't because they believe their console won't sell.
It's simply their platforms. Both of them are their platforms.
I am not going to make random predictions for now regarding who will sell what and how much. It is not worth it discussing it.
>Heck, sony least successful console (ps3) sells about 87M, they're know their going to sells ps5 as long as the price is right.
It isn't only because Ps /Sony gets the price right. Ps is nostalgic for alot of us who started gaming way back in the day and purchased a ps1. We found it to be amazing back then, when compared to any other console out there.
I am quite comfortable in saying that ps2 was amazing. People have had fond memories around 2 of Sony's consoles before Xbox og even found its footing. Xbox honestly couldn't compare to ps2.
While Xbox 360 had rrod issue. It wasn't a bad console at all. Rather decent. I couldn't afford ps3 in 2008. My parents weren't able to afford it. I bought my 360 and ps3 in year 2011.
Ps4 VS Xbox one is rather simple to discuss.
Xbox axed it's own strategy by placing ass***** in charge of its marketing and management. Ps4 used that momentum and dashed to finish line.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@Richnj absolutely fantastic response. Well said.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@wiiware by that logic, no games should come to Xbox or ps, because pc is simply more powerful.
The point is, most developers are ok with it. Some make peace with sticking with one. Others can support both. It's in developers hand. No one is forced.
MS is supporting Xbox one platform for 1 to 2 years. Sony is still producing Ps4.
At the end of the day, both companies are doing the exact same thing. One however doesn't like to highlight it as a positive thing, other does.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@themcnoisy the moment you started nonsense in poetry for Sony, I was done with you. Reason and logic falls on deaf ears in your case.
Simply put, I have a ps4 pro. I have hdz. I have unchartered series.
I also have full master chief collection, all gears, and no Forza.
I also have switch with Zelda. Mario's and every thing else.
The point is, I am not a fanboy. I just have issue with "fanboys", whether it's you a Sony pony or an xbot.
My issue is with those who sing praises for one side and b**** about the other. Whether it is your side or the other, it is simply stupid.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@NeutronBomb a very valid argument and I agree with you.
I have a ps4 pro for when I find something I wish to play. But in my case, I have an Xbox one x where I want to play with people I know. I have all 3 consoles.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@themcnoisy just maybe in your head the conversation seems to be biased and in favour of Sony?
I do not believe in any of the nonsense you wrote above. Both console makers have their up's and downs. Stop trying to make one sound more intelligent than they are, especially with their past filled with hubris.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@MasterEMFG
>"@get2sammyb kind of like backwards compatibility. Was never a thing until a certain console maker had no games."
I can't believe the nonsense you are throwing in this sentence here. Xbox has games just like Ps4. You simply do not like the games Xbox has as exclusives.
>Don’t get me wrong. It’s a nice feature, but I never had time for old stuff when there’s just too much new stuff to play
I am unsure a new division 3 is going to be released on Xbox series x or ps5, but I will continue playing that game until a new one comes out. I do not want to stack consoles underneath my tv or by my computer. I want to put one machine and be given the choice to play my previous games.
Your destiny 2 is going to have to work on ps5 as well btw.
It's a great thing.
Re: Sony on PS5 Exclusives: We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens
@wiiware
> "Sony is in the right here, it's 1st party jobs to shows what the new console can do, it's weird if they're chained to old console limitations."
I think you all have taken this a little too far with assuming that the games are going to be "vastly inferior" just because they have to be downgraded from new Gen to current Gen consoles for the sake of cross Gen support.
Until game developers say as much, I do not believe this to be the case.
I also think it gives people an option to not have to upgrade their console and save money in these times of hardship when money is not easy to come by. It is not a bad idea for a company to overlap their current Gen's relevance while their new Gen makes its appearance.
It is so weird for people not to understand that.
>It's kind of funny that phill says they don't like console war yet all he's doing is flaming it, taking shots at sony whenever he can.
Sony doesn't have to do much. People like the ones in comment sections I have seen, all are more than enough to encite these wars on their own. It's like dealing with Sony's holy army where Sony can do no wrong. It is hard to reason with fanboys at times.
>The last time sony taking shot at microsoft is 7 years ago when sony shows "how to lend games" video on youtube.
There have been other occasions as well.
>Granted, it's hell of a burn, lasting 7 years and beyond lol.
Remember when Sony claimed that people should find value in high priced ps3? Buy it even if they have to work extra? because it was just that great a value? Hubris at its finest.
Re: Sony: We're Not Going to Open PS5 Pre-Orders at a Moment's Notice
@JesWood13 how many non exclusives do you own for Ps4 if you do not mind me asking?
Re: Xbox Boss Takes More Shots at PS5 Exclusives Saying Fans Won't Be 'Forced' into Next-Gen
@empirekain pay attention if possible.
MS is not "forcing" its "current generation" owners. It is no where expected for current owners to "upgrade" to next gen or be left behind.
MS is saying that "new console purchasers" aren't required to buy current Gen consoles. It is normal for a company to not produce current Gen machines when new Gen machines are being made publically available, especially when current Gen machines are years behind new generation being offered.
Your current generation console owners are not losing on "MS support". However new consumers interested in purchasing an "Xbox" will be able to obtain current Gen only if it exists (since it has already been produced). If it is not there, you can get a new Gen machine, which ever you are able to afford. For current consumers however, since they are already owners of current Gen, they do not have to worry about "purchasing new Gen" to continue playing Xbox.
Gosh, I had to literally register my self just to answer this silly comment.
When there is a heavy possibility that X Series S (Lockhart) is going to be a more affordable alternative available for new buyers who are more spending conscious, there is absolutely no need for them to purchase an older machine when it may be at best 100 bucks cheaper than Lockhart, and will be years behind.
It is common sense.