@wiiware I do not agree though because Sony can still add major features regardless, just like the SSD support for the PS5. I actually prefer this approach because it does not set the wrong expectation for the average consumer. Big number updates does not necessarily guarantee major feature changes like the recent 9.0 update for the PS4.
@wiiware I thought the same too until I realised they purposely made it that way so that users don't expect a drastic change when there's a big number update. Like how during the final years of the PS4, big number updates are no longer significant ones like the recent update to 9.0.
If you'll no longer see the PlayStation Hits banner is one of the downside of losing the dynamic artwork, I'm happy to make that sacrifice. Good riddance, hopefully that eyesore never makes a return.
@twitchtvpat That's a weak counter argument given that most can't reliably secure a PS5 in the middle of a global chip shortage, in the middle of a pandemic (where one might wait out a few years more to save up enough funds before securing a PS5) & given what the competition is offering in the form of Smart Delivery.
Well I was pissed about the $10 PS5 upgrade fee for Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut, God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7 & Horizon Forbidden West's nonsense (I still am) but expecting an upgrade path from a remaster is quite a stretch here bois.
If I recall correctly, there was none offered for Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection & The Last of Us Remastered even in the PS4 days. It's safe to assume the same would apply for the PS5 as well.
Edit: We didn't even get one from Spider-Man: Remastered & even that is locked behind the Miles Morales Ultimate Edition.
@Dezzy70 Well this is just a beta phase after all, your average joe won't even know what a beta phase is to begin with. I bet Sony would come up with a 'PS5 compatible' label for SSD manufacturers. Also since you're simply adding additional storage instead of replacing it, the setup process is definitely easier than replacing your internal HDD like on the PS4.
@zupertramp I don't think it's complicated to begin with. Yes the specifications laid out by Sony makes it look like one giant headache but it's just there to protect them legally & it's still in beta. Also, I don't hear anyone complaining about the complexity to swap the PS5's face plates for a custom one & the SSD is just one screw away beyond that. If kids back in the X360 days manage to pull off some sick custom plates just to score some bragging rights, how hard it is just to loosen just one screw beyond removing those pesky plates?
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I got to hand it to Microsoft & Seagate for developing a slick, minimalist & easy to use external drive that can easily upgrade your storage needs but Sony's approach is going to pay off big time in the long run. Already out of the gate the cost of $ per GB is better & you get more storage option than Microsoft's offering which will only get cheaper over time. If there's one thing I know, people are definitely willing to put up with minor inconveniences or even compromise just to save some cash.
@Dezzy70 Well if you are familiar with installing & upgrading PC parts, then I really don't understand why you are against this. Sony's approach definitely gives players more storage options at competitive prices. You can already get a 4TB expansion vs 1TB max on Series X|S albeit at a price of an iPhone.
@zupertramp True but installing the SSD is really no big deal. You just pop the plates, loosen up one screw & that's it! If that's still a hassle to some, I bet they'll just transfer their games to an external drive. If even that's too much, just delete them like you're used to.
@Octane For all of Microsoft's pro-consumer policies they have been throwing around lately, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. First of all, those drives are not manufactured by Microsoft, it is done by external companies like Seagate who simply license or get contracted by Microsoft to make them. Secondly, console manufacturers make huge profits by selling accessories to counter the loss in selling consoles. That's why most of their official accessories are always overpriced. Finally, why would they even subsidise such a move given that players can just delete games to make room for newer ones on their console's built in storage.
Microsoft is running a business here gentlemen, not charity.
@Dezzy70 I think you are exaggerating here. I don't hear any complaints or issues whenever a user replaces their HDD for PS4's & that is an even more complicated process compared to inserting a SSD into a slot inside a PS5.
I'm pretty sure Sony will put up a step-by-step video/image guide on their support page on how to safely & properly install the SSD for the average joe.
@Dezzy70 How exactly is Sony's solution here pathetic? It is the one area it has an edge over the Series X|S consoles. Prices here should fall faster & you already have loads of storage size options. I don't think they want a repeat of the failures of Betamax, PS Vita memory cards & the struggles for Blu-Ray.
Well the expensive price tag isn't shocking (to me at least) given it's relatively new & the advantage of it being non proprietary, prices should come down faster than Microsoft's solution.
@get2sammyb I know petitions usually doesn't bring much change but I'm hoping if it gets enough attention, Sony might change its course. Hoping your platform can further spread the awareness.
What happened to the days where indie developers getting the spotlight, standing shoulder to shoulder on stage showcasing their titles alongside a new console launch?
What's going on at PlayStation? Every week there's a new controversy surrounding them. They really need a wake up call, PS3 style.
Exclusive support for PS5 titles only and Sony is accused of abandoning the PS4 playerbase.
Supports cross generational titles & you get the idea.
In my view, Sony striked a good balance between pure next gen & cross gen titles. The messaging could be better, yes but these days it's easier to hate than to love.
@Sam-Bridges Thanks for the update. People these days like to overreact & hate just for the sake of it. HFW is still in development with no release date, it's subject to change.
They should have seen Aloy in the E3 2016 gameplay reveal. 😆
Sony is on track snagging GOTY titles left & right. Returnal, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart & Horizon: Forbidden West all in 2021? PlayStation needs to take a chill pill. 🤣
@Col_McCafferty I've played Miles Morales on the PS4 & it was fantastic! Glad I didn't wait for the PS5 version & since it's eligible for a free PS5 upgrade I'll replay on the PS5 whenever possible. Besides, the launch of the PS5 doesn't make my slim PS4 obsolete overnight. It still packs a punch!
Even if a wired connection slightly breaks the immersion, a single cable isn't bad. Not everything has to go wireless people, they too have their own drawbacks.
Ultimately what sells the hardware is the quality & quantity of the software even if the hardware is dated. Besides, I don't trust words coming out of Mr Zuckerberg.
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Re: Bandai Namco Reveals New Logo, Everyone Hates It
I happen to like this tbh, gives it a clean & modern look. What I don't like is when a company puts their cheesy tagline in their logo.
Keep the design clean guys.
Re: The Worst Thing About PS5 Firmware 21-02.04
@wiiware I do not agree though because Sony can still add major features regardless, just like the SSD support for the PS5. I actually prefer this approach because it does not set the wrong expectation for the average consumer. Big number updates does not necessarily guarantee major feature changes like the recent 9.0 update for the PS4.
Re: The Worst Thing About PS5 Firmware 21-02.04
@wiiware I thought the same too until I realised they purposely made it that way so that users don't expect a drastic change when there's a big number update. Like how during the final years of the PS4, big number updates are no longer significant ones like the recent update to 9.0.
Re: The Worst Thing About PS5 Firmware 21-02.04
@AgentGuapo It's even worse on physical copies. I have a very hard time tracking down ones that don't have that ugly banner.
Re: The Worst Thing About PS5 Firmware 21-02.04
If you'll no longer see the PlayStation Hits banner is one of the downside of losing the dynamic artwork, I'm happy to make that sacrifice. Good riddance, hopefully that eyesore never makes a return.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Is Massive, According to Venom Voice Actor
@Nightcrawler71 Underwhelmed? I think Miles Morales is the best Spider-Man from Insomniac to date & I only got to play it on the PS4!
After finishing Miles Morales, I actually preferred his version of Spider-Man vs Peter Parker's. 🕷🕸
Re: Fans Ponder Whether There's an Upgrade Path for Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection on PS5
@twitchtvpat You are a perfect fit in Jim Ryan's team. 😄
Re: Fans Ponder Whether There's an Upgrade Path for Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection on PS5
@twitchtvpat That's a weak counter argument given that most can't reliably secure a PS5 in the middle of a global chip shortage, in the middle of a pandemic (where one might wait out a few years more to save up enough funds before securing a PS5) & given what the competition is offering in the form of Smart Delivery.
Re: Fans Ponder Whether There's an Upgrade Path for Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection on PS5
Well I was pissed about the $10 PS5 upgrade fee for Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut, God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7 & Horizon Forbidden West's nonsense (I still am) but expecting an upgrade path from a remaster is quite a stretch here bois.
If I recall correctly, there was none offered for Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection & The Last of Us Remastered even in the PS4 days. It's safe to assume the same would apply for the PS5 as well.
Edit: We didn't even get one from Spider-Man: Remastered & even that is locked behind the Miles Morales Ultimate Edition.
Re: Death Stranding Director's Cut Has a Launch Trailer Full of Spoilers
Thanks for the heads up!
Re: Why on Earth Are GTA Online Players Walking in Circles?
Kifflom desert flashback intensifies
Re: Seagate FireCuda 530 Is the First Third-Party SSD Compatible with PS5
@Dezzy70 Well this is just a beta phase after all, your average joe won't even know what a beta phase is to begin with. I bet Sony would come up with a 'PS5 compatible' label for SSD manufacturers. Also since you're simply adding additional storage instead of replacing it, the setup process is definitely easier than replacing your internal HDD like on the PS4.
@zupertramp I don't think it's complicated to begin with. Yes the specifications laid out by Sony makes it look like one giant headache but it's just there to protect them legally & it's still in beta. Also, I don't hear anyone complaining about the complexity to swap the PS5's face plates for a custom one & the SSD is just one screw away beyond that. If kids back in the X360 days manage to pull off some sick custom plates just to score some bragging rights, how hard it is just to loosen just one screw beyond removing those pesky plates?
...
I got to hand it to Microsoft & Seagate for developing a slick, minimalist & easy to use external drive that can easily upgrade your storage needs but Sony's approach is going to pay off big time in the long run. Already out of the gate the cost of $ per GB is better & you get more storage option than Microsoft's offering which will only get cheaper over time. If there's one thing I know, people are definitely willing to put up with minor inconveniences or even compromise just to save some cash.
Re: Seagate FireCuda 530 Is the First Third-Party SSD Compatible with PS5
@Dezzy70 @zupertramp And some think you need a PhD to install a compatible SSD into the PS5.
https://youtu.be/wzgRJnW-CpA
Re: Seagate FireCuda 530 Is the First Third-Party SSD Compatible with PS5
@Dezzy70 Well if you are familiar with installing & upgrading PC parts, then I really don't understand why you are against this. Sony's approach definitely gives players more storage options at competitive prices. You can already get a 4TB expansion vs 1TB max on Series X|S albeit at a price of an iPhone.
Re: Seagate FireCuda 530 Is the First Third-Party SSD Compatible with PS5
@zupertramp True but installing the SSD is really no big deal. You just pop the plates, loosen up one screw & that's it! If that's still a hassle to some, I bet they'll just transfer their games to an external drive. If even that's too much, just delete them like you're used to.
Re: Seagate FireCuda 530 Is the First Third-Party SSD Compatible with PS5
@Octane For all of Microsoft's pro-consumer policies they have been throwing around lately, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. First of all, those drives are not manufactured by Microsoft, it is done by external companies like Seagate who simply license or get contracted by Microsoft to make them. Secondly, console manufacturers make huge profits by selling accessories to counter the loss in selling consoles. That's why most of their official accessories are always overpriced. Finally, why would they even subsidise such a move given that players can just delete games to make room for newer ones on their console's built in storage.
Microsoft is running a business here gentlemen, not charity.
Re: Seagate FireCuda 530 Is the First Third-Party SSD Compatible with PS5
@Dezzy70 I think you are exaggerating here. I don't hear any complaints or issues whenever a user replaces their HDD for PS4's & that is an even more complicated process compared to inserting a SSD into a slot inside a PS5.
I'm pretty sure Sony will put up a step-by-step video/image guide on their support page on how to safely & properly install the SSD for the average joe.
Re: Seagate FireCuda 530 Is the First Third-Party SSD Compatible with PS5
@Dezzy70 How exactly is Sony's solution here pathetic? It is the one area it has an edge over the Series X|S consoles. Prices here should fall faster & you already have loads of storage size options. I don't think they want a repeat of the failures of Betamax, PS Vita memory cards & the struggles for Blu-Ray.
Re: Seagate FireCuda 530 Is the First Third-Party SSD Compatible with PS5
Well the expensive price tag isn't shocking (to me at least) given it's relatively new & the advantage of it being non proprietary, prices should come down faster than Microsoft's solution.
Re: Sony Fans Bicker Over Ghost of Tsushima PS5 Paywall
@get2sammyb I know petitions usually doesn't bring much change but I'm hoping if it gets enough attention, Sony might change its course. Hoping your platform can further spread the awareness.
http://chng.it/CrYpL8WTm6
Re: Report: How PlayStation Is Failing Indie Developers
What happened to the days where indie developers getting the spotlight, standing shoulder to shoulder on stage showcasing their titles alongside a new console launch?
What's going on at PlayStation? Every week there's a new controversy surrounding them. They really need a wake up call, PS3 style.
Re: Bluepoint Stresses It's Fully Independent as Sony Acquisition Speculation Swirls
Not for long though 🤣
Re: Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut Bundles in New Island Expansion, Coming to PS5 and PS4
@Juvenlast The PS5 version is just the Director's Cut, no vanilla version.
Re: Feature: What Are Your Most Anticipated PS5, PS4 Games for the Rest of 2021?
Without a doubt, Horizon: Forbidden West! My game for the entire generation tbh.
Re: Konami Confirms Partnership with Bloober Team, Fuelling Silent Hill Rumours
@LiamCroft 🤣
Re: Sony Acquisition of Bluepoint Games Supposedly Leaked by Image Mistake
@JustPlainLoco Thanks!
Re: Sony Acquisition of Bluepoint Games Supposedly Leaked by Image Mistake
@jdv95 Yeah, but Sony's acquisitions just doesn't have the same effect as Microsoft's. It's business as usual tbh.
Re: Sony Acquisition of Bluepoint Games Supposedly Leaked by Image Mistake
Could this be a reaction towards Microsoft's studio acquisitions shopping spree?
Re: Reaction: Partnerships Show PlayStation Empowering Creators, And Avoiding an Acquisition War
Guessing their strategy is to bleed the competition dry till it no longer becomes sustainable.
Re: Guerrilla: Cross-Gen Has Not Limited Horizon Forbidden West in Any Way
Well, if the Nintendo Switch didn't held down The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild from snatching GOTY awards left & right...
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
Exclusive support for PS5 titles only and Sony is accused of abandoning the PS4 playerbase.
Supports cross generational titles & you get the idea.
In my view, Sony striked a good balance between pure next gen & cross gen titles. The messaging could be better, yes but these days it's easier to hate than to love.
Re: Aloy Trends As Fans Discuss Horizon Forbidden West Hero
@Sam-Bridges Thanks for the update. People these days like to overreact & hate just for the sake of it. HFW is still in development with no release date, it's subject to change.
They should have seen Aloy in the E3 2016 gameplay reveal. 😆
Re: Aloy Trends As Fans Discuss Horizon Forbidden West Hero
How is the fan made model better than the one in the gameplay reveal? She looks nothing like Aloy in Zero Dawn.
Re: Gallery: Soak Up the Coastal Sunshine in Horizon Forbidden West Screenshots
Sony is on track snagging GOTY titles left & right. Returnal, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart & Horizon: Forbidden West all in 2021? PlayStation needs to take a chill pill. 🤣
Re: The Last of Us 2 PS5 Patch Out Now, Adds 60FPS Option
If you're reading this Naughty Dog, we're still waiting a PS5 patch for Uncharted 4 & The Lost Legacy.
Thanks 😉
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PS5 Size Isn't So Bad
42GB? How's that even possible?
Re: Dreamy PS5 Controller Colours Cosmic Red, Midnight Black Announced
That black controller is gonna be as hard to find as the PS5 console itself.
Re: Next-Gen PSVR for PS5 Sounds Mind Blowing
If they can get Half Life: Alyx, it will sell like hotcakes!
Re: Uncharted 4: A Thief's End Has Been Played By Over 37 Million People
Best. Game. Ever.
Sic Parvis Magna
Re: Sony Reiterates PS5 Stock Shortages Won't Go Away Anytime Soon
@Col_McCafferty I've played Miles Morales on the PS4 & it was fantastic! Glad I didn't wait for the PS5 version & since it's eligible for a free PS5 upgrade I'll replay on the PS5 whenever possible. Besides, the launch of the PS5 doesn't make my slim PS4 obsolete overnight. It still packs a punch!
Re: Random: Even the CEO of Epic Games Doesn't Have a PS5 at Home
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi Even he knows it's not worth it 🤣
Re: Insomniac Games Renews Trademark for Xbox Exclusive Sunset Overdrive
Damn Insomniac, take a chill pill already. 😆
Re: Meltdowns Over PS5, PS4 Crossplay Documents Misunderstood
Everyone hates Fortnite until Sony takes their money 🤣
Re: Poll: Are You Sold on Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart?
Best. Game. Ever.
#GOTY2021
Re: Gallery: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Drops Jaws in New PS5 Screenshots
This alone should have postponed Horizon: Forbidden West till 2022, they might just snatch the GOTY awards away from them. 😂
Re: Facebook Founder Mark Zuckerberg Doesn't Think People Will Buy Wired VR
Even if a wired connection slightly breaks the immersion, a single cable isn't bad. Not everything has to go wireless people, they too have their own drawbacks.
Ultimately what sells the hardware is the quality & quantity of the software even if the hardware is dated. Besides, I don't trust words coming out of Mr Zuckerberg.