@Shredz I would say for 80% of console gamers they two have nothing to do with each other. I am a PS gamer and I have never owned a Nintedo box nor do I have desire.
There is some small overlap for sure. However I would much rather play for example, Witcher 3 on a PS5 vs the Switch. Sure I do not get to play Mario....but I have never wanted too.
Go to Google, and put in "Statista Personal computer (PC) shipments worldwide from 2006 to 2024". You will see PC sales for those years. The best year was 2010 (Windows 7 fixing Vista) with 365 million (the vast majority to businesses). It dropped by 103 million to 262 million in 2019, almost 1/3. Massive decline. Then COVID hit and it went back up to 341 million because so many people had to do remote work and school and in 2024 it is back down to 245 million lower than 2019 by 17 million. Which direction is it going?
So please tell how Windows is growing? Also remember the vast majority of those PC sales are low end PC's for business. My company has over 5000 Windows PC's, none of them could run anything but Dota or counter strike.
@Almost_Ghostly Has nothing to do with Linux. Outside of work there are lots of people that do not even own a Windows computer or a computer at all. They do so much on a phone these days. Or have one computer at home shared and that could be Windows, Mac, or even a Chrome book.
Windows is NOT growing. If business ever moves to something different it will die off overnight.
@Almost_Ghostly Corporate Lock-in. Its the only game in town for larger companies.
That said "Windows" is far from Microsoft main focus anymore. It is on life support, and they will ride it out until it dies. They barely put any effort in it and Windows 11 adoption rates is so far behind older versions. This year is will jump up as 10 loses support.
Microsoft is a subscription company Azure, M/O365 and Game Pass, everything else back burner and their quarterly results show it.
@Almost_Ghostly I think most people use Windows because of corporate lock-in.
There is not a single Microsoft product I need to use thankfully. I work in IT/Dev Ops, including Azure Dev Ops and I use Mac's, so does my whole team. I run powershell on my Mac and manage anything in Azure and get to my corporate email/OneDrive/Sharepoint via Google Chrome . Our whole team moved from Visio to Draw IO in 2024 for all of our diagraming needs.
@Matroska lol your analogy is loaded in the PC favor.
Let’s say I never bought the base PS5. I buy a Pro And I buy the lowest cost of PS+ and I buy five games year on sale.
Now I buy a PC with 4090, to get those Far better graphics and frames. The 4090 alone cost more than I would ever spend on a Play Station setup. Game over.
I personally can’t stand using Windows, especially 11. Mac + PS is my jam.
@jFug $700 is not that much. Most people posting here probably have a smartphone that cost more and replace it every 2 years.
Also go over to the PC partpicker website and price out GPU's. A co-worker showed me yesterday that almost all of the NVIDIA 4000 series cards are gone and what is left is priced really high, like a 4070 Super for $1300. Same for the AMD 7000 series.
With crazy GPU prices you could buy multiple PS5 Pros.
Rest mode, 24/7. It is plugged into a APC UPS power strip for any kind of power blip. Never have to update anything as it happens while I am not using it.
@gollumb82 In the US game pass Ultimate is $250 a year. It has increased in price twice since September of 2023. That is $1000 in 4 years. Not sure how much you are saving?
Sure if you compare the price of new games, not on sale then you can make a good argument. However for people like me that never buy new games and wait for deep sales, it is kind of hard to make that argument.
Not to mention that when I last tried Xbox Cloud streaming, in December of 2023, it worked "OK" for single player type games. Forza 5 was a crash fest because of the lag. I can't imagine playing BO6 MP.
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Re: PS Plus Members Can Now Use Their PS Portal Like a Legit Retro Handheld
@sanderson72 Sure at 2-3x the cost.
Re: PS Plus Members Can Now Use Their PS Portal Like a Legit Retro Handheld
@sanderson72 oh the horror! In 2025 everything needs internet connectivity, as I type this from my iPhone. For the price the portal is pretty amazing.
Re: AMD Hypes Up PS6 Collaboration, FSR 4 Upscaling Tech
@Shredz I would say for 80% of console gamers they two have nothing to do with each other. I am a PS gamer and I have never owned a Nintedo box nor do I have desire.
There is some small overlap for sure. However I would much rather play for example, Witcher 3 on a PS5 vs the Switch. Sure I do not get to play Mario....but I have never wanted too.
Re: AMD Hypes Up PS6 Collaboration, FSR 4 Upscaling Tech
@HonestHick Maybe they will just merge. PSSR 2.0 might just be a front end for FRS 4.x.
Re: Sony's Pricey PS5 Pro Is Now Being Outpaced by PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
@Almost_Ghostly
Go to Google, and put in "Statista Personal computer (PC) shipments worldwide from 2006 to 2024". You will see PC sales for those years. The best year was 2010 (Windows 7 fixing Vista) with 365 million (the vast majority to businesses). It dropped by 103 million to 262 million in 2019, almost 1/3. Massive decline. Then COVID hit and it went back up to 341 million because so many people had to do remote work and school and in 2024 it is back down to 245 million lower than 2019 by 17 million. Which direction is it going?
So please tell how Windows is growing? Also remember the vast majority of those PC sales are low end PC's for business. My company has over 5000 Windows PC's, none of them could run anything but Dota or counter strike.
Re: Sony's Pricey PS5 Pro Is Now Being Outpaced by PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
@Almost_Ghostly Has nothing to do with Linux. Outside of work there are lots of people that do not even own a Windows computer or a computer at all. They do so much on a phone these days. Or have one computer at home shared and that could be Windows, Mac, or even a Chrome book.
Windows is NOT growing. If business ever moves to something different it will die off overnight.
Re: Sony's Pricey PS5 Pro Is Now Being Outpaced by PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
@Almost_Ghostly Corporate Lock-in. Its the only game in town for larger companies.
That said "Windows" is far from Microsoft main focus anymore. It is on life support, and they will ride it out until it dies. They barely put any effort in it and Windows 11 adoption rates is so far behind older versions. This year is will jump up as 10 loses support.
Microsoft is a subscription company Azure, M/O365 and Game Pass, everything else back burner and their quarterly results show it.
Re: Sony's Pricey PS5 Pro Is Now Being Outpaced by PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
@Almost_Ghostly I think most people use Windows because of corporate lock-in.
There is not a single Microsoft product I need to use thankfully. I work in IT/Dev Ops, including Azure Dev Ops and I use Mac's, so does my whole team. I run powershell on my Mac and manage anything in Azure and get to my corporate email/OneDrive/Sharepoint via Google Chrome . Our whole team moved from Visio to Draw IO in 2024 for all of our diagraming needs.
Re: Sony's Pricey PS5 Pro Is Now Being Outpaced by PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
@Matroska lol your analogy is loaded in the PC favor.
Let’s say I never bought the base PS5. I buy a Pro And I buy the lowest cost of PS+ and I buy five games year on sale.
Now I buy a PC with 4090, to get those Far better graphics and frames. The 4090 alone cost more than I would ever spend on a Play Station setup. Game over.
I personally can’t stand using Windows, especially 11. Mac + PS is my jam.
Re: Sony's Pricey PS5 Pro Is Now Being Outpaced by PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
@jFug $700 is not that much. Most people posting here probably have a smartphone that cost more and replace it every 2 years.
Also go over to the PC partpicker website and price out GPU's. A co-worker showed me yesterday that almost all of the NVIDIA 4000 series cards are gone and what is left is priced really high, like a 4070 Super for $1300. Same for the AMD 7000 series.
With crazy GPU prices you could buy multiple PS5 Pros.
Re: Do You Put Your PS5 in Rest Mode or Shut It Down?
Rest mode, 24/7. It is plugged into a APC UPS power strip for any kind of power blip. Never have to update anything as it happens while I am not using it.
Re: Consoles Here to Stay, PS5 to Be Supported into Next-Gen, Says PlayStation CEO
@gollumb82 In the US game pass Ultimate is $250 a year. It has increased in price twice since September of 2023. That is $1000 in 4 years. Not sure how much you are saving?
Sure if you compare the price of new games, not on sale then you can make a good argument. However for people like me that never buy new games and wait for deep sales, it is kind of hard to make that argument.
Not to mention that when I last tried Xbox Cloud streaming, in December of 2023, it worked "OK" for single player type games. Forza 5 was a crash fest because of the lag. I can't imagine playing BO6 MP.
Re: Consoles Here to Stay, PS5 to Be Supported into Next-Gen, Says PlayStation CEO
@silversteel91 PS5 Pro, 60 CUs RDNA hardware support, PS5 36 CUs RDNA 2 hardware support.
Not sure how that is a "con" ?