I wonder how much faster PS4 games are going to load on the PS5 without being optimized for the PS5's amazing SSD. Two times faster? Three? Four?
I don't think it'll be so fast to the point that it'll be zero loading times - I still think that loading a save on the Witcher 3 without optimization won't be 1 second, but I'm really curious to see this.
I'm going to use a different example to understand where you are totally missing the point. By a mile.
Lets assume that Cerny comes up and says that the PS5 will be not have a game where the screen will have less than 4 billion polygons at the same time. It's going to have 4 billion +. Always.
Then they show a demo where the game screen has 3 billion polygons.
Some guys say "Hey, you said that the game screen will not have less than 4 billion polygons - what's the deal?"
Then comes a guy like you who says "It never bothered me if games have less than 4 billion polygons in screen - gamers are so spoiled these days eye roll "
It's not about whether it bothers you or not. It's about a statement from the lead architect coming into question. (which admittedly turned out to be a false alarm)
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L Did you bother to watch Cerny's speech? He made it clear how hardware limitations were restraining developers and forcing them to create an entire stage according to said limitations.
Did it ever occur to you that the devs may never wanted a cave with narrow gaps every now and then?
@swagbag713 Without going into spoiler territory? No. But there are politics involved (both from the praisers as well as the haters), which is fair, considering TloU2 is involved in current politics of America.
ND made their bed, now they have to lie on it. For better, or for worse.
There are quite a few games which make me say to myself … "Why is this game being made?" This is one of them.
I mean, who thought that 'Boy, wouldn't it be cool to make a game about a crazy, pathetic being who talks to itself and gets bullied and beat up by everyone while it chows down on fish and imagines having a piece of jewelry' and someone actually greenlit this project?
@InsertUsername When I opened mine after 3 years to change the thermal paste and thermal pads, it didn't have dust in the heatsink at all - well, maybe it had enough dust to block 5-10% of the heatsink, but not like those situations you see on YouTube when the heatsink is 85% blocked by solid dirt to the point it looks like freakin cement.
Anyway, there are enough complaints about the Pro's noise to make one realize it's not Tales from the Backside. Mine would get so loud I could hear it two rooms across. I got stressed just hearing it.
@InsertUsername You got lucky with the quality/placement of the thermal pads and thermal paste on your pro? Got a later model which had less fan noise while producing more heat (the Read Dead 2 bundle)? Not sure.
I mean, my X-Box One X is quiet as a mouse, yet there are people who state that theirs sounds like a jet engine when playing a demanding title.
@TheNewButler Cerny actually explains why Horizon gets really loud on the map screen on his "road to ps5" video.
"Power consumption varies a LOT from game to game. When I play God of War on my PS4 Pro, I know the power consumption is high, just by the fan noise. But power isn't simply about engine quality. It's about the minutiae of what's being displayed and how.
It's counter-intuitive, but processing dense geometry typically consumes more power than processing simple geometry. Which is - I suspect - why Horizon's map screen with its low triangle count makes my PS4 Pro heat up so much."
Words from the wizard himself. Hope this cleared it up a bit.
@Arugula Dude, it's not an urban legend. I can personally testify that my PS4 Pro would go so loud, I could hear it two rooms across! I would get stressed by the noise, thinking that if I don't shut it down, it would overheat and get damaged.
I had to open it, replace the thermal pads and its thermal pads with superior ones, and while more tolerable, it's by no means a quiet piece of machinery.
Really hyped to see what Cerny did with the PS5 to prevent overheating issues. This huge heatsink makes me feel better about the console. Safety and functionality first, design and wow! factor second.
While I DO want Resistance to come back … I don't really want it to come back at the expense of the wall-crawler, at least not until the obligatory first trilogy is released.
Ratchet and Clank … it's visually stunning, and the action pieces are nice, and yeah it fills that Jak & Daxter hole in my chest … but it's the last on the list.
New IP? Eh, no need for now. Spider-man has a lot more stuff going for me.
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Re: Interview: The Story Behind Sony's Amazing 21-Second Viral Video on Used Games
@jdv95 What about the 'There's already a way to play X-Box games offline. It's called the X360.'
Oh. My. God.
Re: PS5 Is Absolutely Phenomenal, According to Epic Games
I wonder how much faster PS4 games are going to load on the PS5 without being optimized for the PS5's amazing SSD. Two times faster? Three? Four?
I don't think it'll be so fast to the point that it'll be zero loading times - I still think that loading a save on the Witcher 3 without optimization won't be 1 second, but I'm really curious to see this.
Re: Gap Squeezing in PS5's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Was Not a Disguised Loading Screen, Says Epic
@Col_McCafferty That's exactly what Epic said it was.
Again, it was proven to be a false alarm.
All I'm saying is that people who heard 'no more load times' had a right to - y'know what? I'm going in circles now.
Re: Gap Squeezing in PS5's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Was Not a Disguised Loading Screen, Says Epic
@Col_McCafferty Okay.
I'm going to use a different example to understand where you are totally missing the point. By a mile.
Lets assume that Cerny comes up and says that the PS5 will be not have a game where the screen will have less than 4 billion polygons at the same time. It's going to have 4 billion +. Always.
Then they show a demo where the game screen has 3 billion polygons.
Some guys say "Hey, you said that the game screen will not have less than 4 billion polygons - what's the deal?"
Then comes a guy like you who says "It never bothered me if games have less than 4 billion polygons in screen - gamers are so spoiled these days eye roll "
It's not about whether it bothers you or not. It's about a statement from the lead architect coming into question. (which admittedly turned out to be a false alarm)
Can you grasp the difference?
Re: PS5 Reveal to Spotlight a 'Lot' of Games, State of Play to Follow in August
Insert Total Recall 'twooooo weeeeks ...' gif here
Re: Gap Squeezing in PS5's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Was Not a Disguised Loading Screen, Says Epic
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L I can assure you the majority of gamers would be ok with caves in games not having narrow passages.
But no reason to keep at this. We both made our points.
Re: Gap Squeezing in PS5's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Was Not a Disguised Loading Screen, Says Epic
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L Did you bother to watch Cerny's speech? He made it clear how hardware limitations were restraining developers and forcing them to create an entire stage according to said limitations.
Did it ever occur to you that the devs may never wanted a cave with narrow gaps every now and then?
Re: Gap Squeezing in PS5's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Was Not a Disguised Loading Screen, Says Epic
@doctommaso Indeed. Thanks!
Re: Gap Squeezing in PS5's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Was Not a Disguised Loading Screen, Says Epic
@playstation1995 Mark Cerny appears on stage.
He says that games ever since the ps2 era had loading times integrated in the gameplay and developers had to create stages around that bottleneck.
He assures us that the ps5 won't have such things.
Epic shows a tech demo for the ps5 containing a scene which resembles said bottleneck.
I think some people were right to be weary.
But don't get me wrong, I'm happy it turned out to be a feature and not a flaw.
Re: Gap Squeezing in PS5's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Was Not a Disguised Loading Screen, Says Epic
@Nyne11Tyme Just so you know, being weary of PR statements doesn't make you a hater.
Re: Gap Squeezing in PS5's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Was Not a Disguised Loading Screen, Says Epic
I was one of the worried folks.
Thanks for clarifying, Jeff!
Re: Fallout 76 Is Free to Play on PS4 This Weekend
@get2sammyb TELL ME LIES, TELL ME SWEET LITTLE LIES ...
Re: Fallout 76 Is Free to Play on PS4 This Weekend
They could make it free for life and I still wouldn't touch this piece of crap with a ten foot pole.
Re: Mortal Kombat 11: Aftermath's Gory Gameplay Trailer Shows Off New Characters
Havik
Daegon
Rambo
Quan chi
Takeda
Sareena
Reiko
Taven w/Shinnok
Re: Divinity: Original Sin, Baldurs Gate 3 Reveals Planned for Guerrilla Collective Event
100% love Larian and 100% certain bg3 is coming to ps5.
Re: Random: Incredible PlayStation Cartoon Goes Viral on Social Media for Second Time
Mother: How did you know the router's name?
Son: AH AH AAAAAH ...
Gets me every time lol
Re: Random: Mark Cerny's PS5 Tech Talk Has Been Turned Into a Relaxing ASMR Video
Dreaming sweet PS5 dreams ...
Re: Poll: How Much Do 'True' Gameplay Trailers Matter to You?
In my opinion, the best trailer every single dev should look up to when making an AAA game reveal, is Horizon Zero Dawn.
It starts with a long cutscene explaining the campaign setting, and continues with a decent chunk of gameplay.
It gives you sufficient info in lore, tone, and gameplay.
It's perfect.
Re: PlayStation Store Sales Charts: Final Fantasy VII Remake Comes Top in the US
FF7 was amazing. Can't wait to play the 2nd part.
Re: Reaction: Sony Needs to Show Us a True, Next-Gen PS5 Exclusive After Lukewarm Inside Xbox
@duhsoares21 Not even a timed exclusive? That sucks.
Re: Watch Six Seconds of Madden NFL 21 Next-Gen Gameplay
@Gaming-potato100 I buy a sports game never.
Re: Reaction: Sony Needs to Show Us a True, Next-Gen PS5 Exclusive After Lukewarm Inside Xbox
@Octane I think that one was.
Hope it's not, anyway. I'm dying for some dino shooting action. And Dino Crisis isn't coming anytime soon, so ...
Re: Reaction: Sony Needs to Show Us a True, Next-Gen PS5 Exclusive After Lukewarm Inside Xbox
The only game that stroke my fancy was Second Extinction Reclaim Earth … was that X-Box exclusive?
Re: Watch Six Seconds of Madden NFL 21 Next-Gen Gameplay
OMFG!! THAT WAS - THAT WAS -
Totally uninteresting for me.
Re: Chorus: Rise As One Sings to PS5, PS4's Hymn Sheet in 2021
@Icey664 BUH ... BUH BUH 12 TFLOPS BUH BUH BUH!!
Re: Chorus: Rise As One Sings to PS5, PS4's Hymn Sheet in 2021
Finally a space shooter/simulator! I was afraid the only game like that would be Everspace in this gen!
Definitely interested!
Re: Mass Effect Trilogy HD Remaster Is Finally Happening, Apparently
@stefan771 And am I the only person who doesn't care anymore about this ip, period?
Re: PlayStation Disables Likes, Dislikes, and Comments on The Last of Us 2's New Trailer
@swagbag713 Without going into spoiler territory? No. But there are politics involved (both from the praisers as well as the haters), which is fair, considering TloU2 is involved in current politics of America.
ND made their bed, now they have to lie on it. For better, or for worse.
Re: Unannounced EA Titles Give Mass Effect Fans Renewed Hope for Trilogy Remaster
PushSquare: We are tired of remasters.
PushSquare: Just Remaster Mass Effect already.
Re: 'Souls-Like' Action Game Moonray Is Planned for PS5
Music sold me. I'm 100% in.
Re: The Lord of the Rings: Gollum PS5 Screenshots Are a Glimpse Into the Future
@Zach_99 Oh, I don't question the importance of the IP, I'm questioning their choice of a main character.
I mean, what's next? A Spider-Man game where aunt May is the main character?
Re: The Lord of the Rings: Gollum PS5 Screenshots Are a Glimpse Into the Future
There are quite a few games which make me say to myself … "Why is this game being made?" This is one of them.
I mean, who thought that 'Boy, wouldn't it be cool to make a game about a crazy, pathetic being who talks to itself and gets bullied and beat up by everyone while it chows down on fish and imagines having a piece of jewelry' and someone actually greenlit this project?
Re: The Lord of the Rings: Gollum PS5 Screenshots Are a Glimpse Into the Future
The artstyle goes for a Knack kind of feel, while the gamers will compare the visuals to those of Shadow of Mordor and will be heavily disappointed.
Re: The Lord of the Rings: Gollum PS5 Screenshots Are a Glimpse Into the Future
Looks like crap. The orcs especially look like an early PS3 game. Disgusting.
But I'm pretty sure that's the devs' fault, not the PS5's or the X-Series X's.
Re: PS5 Games Will Be Cross-Gen for Some Time, Reckons Frogwares Dev
In other words, the sky is blue.
Seriously, cross-gen games have been a thing for years now.
Re: Did You Know There's a Website That Tracks PSN Prices Over Time?
Holy - ! Way to go, Sammy!
Bookmarked!
Re: PS5 Heatsink Patent Has the Web Hyped About Sony's Next-Gen Cooling Solution
@InsertUsername When I opened mine after 3 years to change the thermal paste and thermal pads, it didn't have dust in the heatsink at all - well, maybe it had enough dust to block 5-10% of the heatsink, but not like those situations you see on YouTube when the heatsink is 85% blocked by solid dirt to the point it looks like freakin cement.
Anyway, there are enough complaints about the Pro's noise to make one realize it's not Tales from the Backside. Mine would get so loud I could hear it two rooms across. I got stressed just hearing it.
Re: PS5 Heatsink Patent Has the Web Hyped About Sony's Next-Gen Cooling Solution
@InsertUsername You got lucky with the quality/placement of the thermal pads and thermal paste on your pro? Got a later model which had less fan noise while producing more heat (the Read Dead 2 bundle)? Not sure.
I mean, my X-Box One X is quiet as a mouse, yet there are people who state that theirs sounds like a jet engine when playing a demanding title.
Re: PS5 Heatsink Patent Has the Web Hyped About Sony's Next-Gen Cooling Solution
@3MonthBeef (shrugs) Cerny's words, not mine.
Re: PS5 Heatsink Patent Has the Web Hyped About Sony's Next-Gen Cooling Solution
@TheNewButler Cerny actually explains why Horizon gets really loud on the map screen on his "road to ps5" video.
"Power consumption varies a LOT from game to game. When I play God of War on my PS4 Pro, I know the power consumption is high, just by the fan noise. But power isn't simply about engine quality. It's about the minutiae of what's being displayed and how.
It's counter-intuitive, but processing dense geometry typically consumes more power than processing simple geometry. Which is - I suspect - why Horizon's map screen with its low triangle count makes my PS4 Pro heat up so much."
Words from the wizard himself. Hope this cleared it up a bit.
Re: PS5 Heatsink Patent Has the Web Hyped About Sony's Next-Gen Cooling Solution
@Arugula Dude, it's not an urban legend. I can personally testify that my PS4 Pro would go so loud, I could hear it two rooms across! I would get stressed by the noise, thinking that if I don't shut it down, it would overheat and get damaged.
I had to open it, replace the thermal pads and its thermal pads with superior ones, and while more tolerable, it's by no means a quiet piece of machinery.
Really hyped to see what Cerny did with the PS5 to prevent overheating issues. This huge heatsink makes me feel better about the console. Safety and functionality first, design and wow! factor second.
Re: WWE Confirms That WWE 2K21 Has Been Cancelled
And nothing of value was lost.
Re: Minimal Affect Is a Mass Effect Parody Game Launching in 2021
@kyleforrester87 BA-DAM PSSHHH!
Re: Survival Horror Roguelike The Persistence Creeps to PS4 from 21st May
Nice! Always good to have options!
Re: Trials of Mana - The Delightful Return of a Classic Action RPG
@kyleforrester87 old-school JRPG? So we're killing God again? So 90s!
Re: This PS5 Console Mock-Up Looks Even Better in Black
@Matroska HAHAHHAAAAAAA!!
LIAM!! ALL IS FORGIVEN!! HAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!
Re: Final Fantasy VII Remake Moves 3.5 Million Copies in Three Days, Is One of PS4's Fastest Selling Exclusives
Well if anything, that guarantees a sequel.
Re: Poll: What Do You Hope Insomniac Games' First PS5 Project Is?
@Quintumply Have they stated they're working on a VR game?
Re: Sony Won't Be Bringing PlayStation to Brazil Game Show This Year
@Octane Then Corona probably has a far more greater infection ratio than H1N1 had.
Add to the fact that Corona is mostly lethal to the elderly, while H1N1 seemed to have a 'preference' for younger people.
Re: Poll: What Do You Hope Insomniac Games' First PS5 Project Is?
Spider-Man 2, easily.
While I DO want Resistance to come back … I don't really want it to come back at the expense of the wall-crawler, at least not until the obligatory first trilogy is released.
Ratchet and Clank … it's visually stunning, and the action pieces are nice, and yeah it fills that Jak & Daxter hole in my chest … but it's the last on the list.
New IP? Eh, no need for now. Spider-man has a lot more stuff going for me.