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@Victor_Meldrew Exactly. Steam deals aren't even any better than console deals now. Steam was great back in the late 00s early 2010s, but now the sales are nowhere near as good. You can get insane physical deals that far surpass digital PC sales. Then you have instances like Horizon that has never been lower than $25 on Steam, meanwhile it's been $10 on PS and given away on PS Plus for free. The same thing can even be said for non first party games like Persona Strikers.

@IonMagi Because MS paid for the The Legend of Wright timed exclusivity on PC and Xbox. It launched for Switch and Ps4 the exact same time, do you really think a JP dev would skip Switch when it's the console that sells the most games by far in Japan? Most weeks look like this: https://www.gematsu.com/2022/08/famitsu-sales-7-25-22-7-31-22, over 5x the sales.

You said head start and you're still wrong because Ps5 came out after Xbox in Japan. They've outsold Ps5 a total of two weeks, that's it. How can they increase stock there when they can't increase it anywhere? The US and Europe will always be priority because they sell far more standard consoles there and mobile dominates Japan. Keep digging that hole deeper though.

@IonMagi And it's entirely because of stock. Ps5 has over 5 times as many total consoles sold so no they're not close most weeks. If they were close most weeks why is there such a massive disparity? Why do you even try to twist this narrative when we have literal fact to prove your biased nonsense wrong.

What JP devs are only releasing games solely on Xbox? They're releasing them on Xbox AND PC because MS is paying them tons of money to do so and most are because they're being paid to go on GP. There's not a single game solely on Xbox from a Japanese dev.

@IonMagi That's not even remotely true. Xbox Series doesn't even have 300k total consoles sold in Japan meanwhile Ps5 is over 1.8 million. They won literally two weeks because Sony had next to zero stock available. The week of the 13th Ps5 sold 20.9k and Xbox sold 4.3k consoles, yeah very close. Xbox has no exclusive games period so your argument makes no sense. They'd just go PC in that case.

@Would_you_kindly Literally just said the price is affected by the difficult economic climate. People don't get it's absolutely because of the shareholders. Maybe the backlash will effect the share price and they'll realize this is just a short term issue and they should think long term. That said I don't think it's going to impact sales at all since everything sells out that they put out and the increase isn't even that much for most countries.

If Nintendo or Xbox did it I'd say its absolutely greed. The hardware in the Switch is so old they should be making a huge profit on every console even now and in Xbox's case Microsoft is literally the 4th most profitable country in the entire world. Sony isn't even in the top 100.

I won't be surprised if they revert the changes from the backlash similar to how Xbox changed their decision to increase the price of Xbox Live.

Literally everything has gone up in price the last year and a half. I don't see how Sony has to justify the price hike. The Meta headset went up an astonishing $100. Microsoft won't do it because they're backed by the most profitable company in the world and playing catch up and Nintendo won't do it because they already sell their console at a huge profit. Sony is probably taking a loss on each console sold now. It's amazing how people pay out the ass for everything now and go nuts over a meager price hike on a ***** gaming console.

It's funny how no one cares when they go to the store and get charged 30% more for literally everything but you're a bad guy defending Sony when they do the same thing. It's not their fault every country played monopoly money during the pandemic and caused this massive inflation.

@IonMagi Why are you comparing the most expensive Ps5 with a gimpy least expensive Series S. The Ps5 digital is far better than the S and worth the $100+ more considering it's a fully powered Ps5 with almost twice the storage. Anyone who thinks the S is a deal is a fool, it can't even play most modern games in the 1440p revolution it was advertised for and you're stuck with barely any storage for a digital console so you have to buy their seriously overpriced memory card. I know you're a massive troll but you're really grasping here.

To people jumping on Sony for this I hope you cry when Microsoft announces the same thing. Nintendo didn't increase their price because they already make a massive profit from the outdated hardware. Sony and Microsoft are probably back to selling consoles at a decent sized loss because of inflation.

I use a regular Ps5 controller on PC and don't see the need for extra buttons. Plus the touchpad acts as an extra button so technically it would only have 1 less button. If I wanted extra hotkeys I'd just use a keyboard.

I think the people buying this and GoW are fairly different demographics so I don't see a problem with the release date.

@nessisonett I think that's the part that's so hard for them to nail down. I don't think the clunky turn based combat of the original game would be received well by today's crowd so I bet they're trying to make it active combat. I could see something similar to FF7 Remake's battle system working.

It's too bad Bluepoint is busy with a major project otherwise they would have been perfect for this.

Better than the Polygon guy who played Doom 2016.

@SinfulDestroyer Just as much as you like making new accounts.

I miss when this show was just an embarrassing meme fest. Now it's just a boring, overlong slog of early access game announcements and content for the handful of huge multiplayer games.

@Gamer128 Uh what? They've put out at least double the amount of games MS has since the new console launch. Halo and Forza are literally the only first party "exclusives" the entire last two years.

@Gamer128 LOL yeah there hasn't even been 50 total. MS releases about 2 first party games a year.

@Cherip-the-Ripper it's a 2 hour pretty bland game.

@Gamer128 I know all those amazing day 1 games like The Gunk and Window Washing Simulator! I'd take Shadow Warrior 3 and Stray over those.

@Martsmall That's the Microsoft store for PC, NOT the Xbox store on consoles. There's literally dozens of articles talking about how MS charges 30%. Also that says prior to, meaning it changed after 2015 lol.

@Martsmall I did Google it and there's nothing. Funny how there's plenty of articles stating how they charge 30% though.

@Martsmall First of all that's not even what the lawsuit is about, their atgument is about how you can't buy digital PS games elsewhere. Second of all you're wrong and they absolutely charge 30% just like Sony and Nintendo. They only adjusted the Windows store price cut since no publishers use it. Of course the xbox fanboys would jump on this nonsensical lawsuit that won't even make it to court.

@Richnj There's a major difference between premium live service games and f2p games. Games like GT7 come with a massive amount of content and technically if you play the game you can have access to literally everything without paying an extra cent. If that went fully f2p the game design would have to change drastically by adding f2p nonsense like boosters, launching with less content, gatekeeping content for paying users, etc. Like I said there's a major difference between a game like that and the f2p cash grab grindfests that pop up on PC every day.

What gaming service has 100 million subscribers? Netflix is the only streaming service that actually makes money and it took them getting 200 million subscribers to do it. GP and PS Plus will never see those numbers because gaming isn't as casual as watching movies and most casual gamers buy a handful of games each year and won't subscribe to a service for games they won't even play. Microsoft is giving away GP practically for free and they are already stagnating at 30 million users with the console and PC userbase combined. This successful gaming service you're talking about doesn't even exist. GP loses Xbox money each year and will continue to do so unless they get Netflix subscriber numbers which will never happen. There's a reason why they don't publicly report profit, because there is none.

The other thing you're not thinking about is that game coming to the service is one of a couple hundred. That $60 initial cost is all from that one game where as the $15 a month is also paying for dozens/hundreds of other games on the list so the return is practically nothing unless they have other means of monetizing it, hence live service makes much more sense.

You realize games have to make money right? Not everyone can tank one division because they're a trillion dollar conglomerate. Music is still being made yes but artists make no money from it unless they go on tour or do business ventures like selling products. The music is just there to promote and get people in the seats. Gaming doesn't have that luxury. It's interesting how so many gamers try to refute this when we even have ex Xbox executives pointing out how subscription services could be very bad for the industry. If you have something that used to cost $60 initially and now you're giving it away for $15 a month which actually turns out to be FAR less than that for one specific game you have to make that money up somehow. This is objective fact otherwise you lose money.

Sorry that's so long, probably the longest thing i've ever written on a game site lol. But it's a lot to go over.

@Richnj The reality is that if you have a game that would have cost $60 at retail and now you're putting it on your $15 a month service you have to make that money up somehow. So the best way to do that is to make the game live service and have constant updates monetizing them somehow. Even Phil Spencer has said that the goal now is to make money from the back end of a game rather than the initial upfront cost and the only way to do that is to continue making content that the consumer has to pay for. I don't see how a subscription service can make that any better or limit a consumers spending. Either way the point is to keep you playing and spending money.

And no the theater industry is not the best comparison, the music industry is and we've already seen what Spotify has done to it. The entire music industry revenue was cut in half because no one buys music anymore.

@SinfulDestroyer It's the future of the entire industry once the majority stop paying for full price games and just go mainly subscription based. It ain't just Sony kid.

@UltimateOtaku91 This. Sammy and other people who just want to jump on the negative Sony train making this out to be much more than what it really is.
Also @get2sammyb Sony signed a deal with Kojima for the game in 2015. Gamepass wasn't even a thing then so how could Sony put in a stipulation to keep it off a service that never existed? 505 paid whatever they did to be the PC publisher so they had the rights to the PC version and can do what they want. If anything Sony must be pissed at 505 Games and I wouldn't be surprised if they never partner with another publisher on a game like this again which is actually a good thing.

@nomither6 You literally told Otaku that those weren't "legitimate" Ps5 games because they're cross platform and implying they're not as good as Ps5 only games because they can be played on Ps4. To be fair Otaku also mentions the same thing. Either way you're wrong about first party games in the first two years too. You really must not remember the first two years of the Ps4 because it was widely considered that Xbox One had a better first two years.

@nomither6 So Elden Ring is absolutely terrible because it's cross platform with last gen right? It's such a weak game that's been held back by the Ps4. And Deathloop is the most amazing game ever made since it's only next gen? There's no "holding back" anymore. It's not the PS1 days when games were incredibly limited by memory, storage, CPU, GPU, etc. Now the only thing that limits developers is money and time spent on the project since you can easily scale graphical fidelity back and forward as you need.

@uptownsoul Please never stop trolling the other site. There's so many cringey trolls here that have to mention GP as if they get paid every time they say the word so we need to even things out.

I bet anything this means Days Gone 2 is definitely in development. I feel like the main reason the sequel didn't get greenlit is because TLOU is incredibly similar presentation wise and to some extent gameplay wise and you don't really need two "zombie" series. With TLOU on the back burner for the meantime I could see Days Gone returning.

Ugh, sad to see Far Cry 6 on there still. Unfortunately I contributed to that total at launch and man what a waste of money. Taking away the skill system and making skills only on clothing you randomly get throughout the game is one of the worst game play changes I've ever seen implemented in a modern game.

@Orpheus79V Seriously people are acting like the game isn't already out on PC.

@uptownsoul This 100%. Was PC GP even a thing when Sony signed their deal? If so they wouldn't have had a chance to put in a stipulation in the contract.

This is exactly what I said in the other thread 505 is the publisher and has control of the PC port. Either way people are overreacting like it's coming to Xbox. It's already on PC for Christ's sake. Also they're not even getting the superior Directors Cut version.

Lol, even if Sony were to pay to keep a game off GP Cult of the Lamb definitely wouldn't be it. Too much idiotic "leaks" and made up nonsense being pushed as factual nowadays. Like there's a RE4 "leak" every week and each one contradicts the previous one.

Hopefully it's better than the fairly average Dying Light 2. Although it's going to feel weird playing this style of game without the parkour system.

@Jaz007 That was 100% rumor and never confirmed by any reputable source. Sony can't force publishers to put their games on their trial service. The service literally says "trials for the biggest games" and never mentioned anything about all games.

@Gaia093 They're not mandatory. That was only nonsensical rumors published by sites like this. Publishers have to allow their games to be on the trial service and most don't since they think it negatively impacts sales.

@get2sammyb They either cut a deal or helped fund the game since 505 made over $20 million off the game in 2020 alone, otherwise Sony would have just published the PC version themselves and made all that money. Publishing = you're putting money towards the game in some way or form whether it be marketing, development, etc. And no I don't think they do have a say considering 505 is the sole publisher for the PC version. Similar to how MLB publishes the non PS versions of MLB The Show. If Sony was fine with their games going to PC Gamepass why would they start with Death Stranding when they could put much bigger titles like Horizon and make more money?

505 Games co funded the game and published the PC port so they have control over what happens with the PC version. I mean it's already on PC and Sony's subscription service anyway. People are overreacting like the game is coming to Xbox. And to those saying Sony has a say, why would they pay to block games from Gamepass and then put their own games on it? Makes no sense.

I like the idea Sony mentioned before that games would be made heavily with VR as the main point, but can also be played without. Best of both worlds. I just don't like having some clunky thing on my face for hours at a time.