LordSteev

Can you imagine if Sony tries to pull this crap next generation with PS4 games? While they weren't perfect, a lot more PS3 games were at least playable off of the disc. The shoddy state of a majority of games available on PS4 at release means some of your favorite games could be relegated to serving as drink coasters.

@vyseofhr I think a game can be challenging, and still be designed for children. In fact, that's how I view these. When I say mature and gritty, the last thing I mean is what you've described above. Poor and cliched writing never equals a game I like. But you know what? I DO like blood and nudity in my games, when it comes down to it. I'd rather have it than have some puritan tell me why I shouldn't. Like you say, different strokes.

@vyseofhr

Without joining the console wars, what I meant was the emphasis on cartoon-like games for young children and playful silliness vs. more serious, deeper and gritty games with mature themes.

Personally, I look at the top 5 selling games, and it makes me sad. If these are what people want the most, then I'm afraid I'll see fewer of the kinds of games I like in the future. If the entire reason for existence of publishers is to chase the fastest dollar, this is the kind of stuff that's going to get greenlighted more and more often going forward.

@Thrillho That's enough for me. I'll take it. I love these so much, just being able to string the whole thing together on the same platform with the improvements they've made and hopefully any remaining bugs squashed is more than enough for me to justify purchase. Not long now!

I bought this day 1, played it for about 20 hours, and just didn't see the point in continuing. I love the concept of an open world zombie game. I liked the idea of being a biker and having the bike matter. But this is the game that showed me if the writing was bad enough, it could turn me off to the whole game. That, and the bugs. Damn near unplayable on release. The first camp you went to, it'd crash anytime you tried to interact with the guy selling bike parts.

That said, I claimed it off plus, and might give it a try to see how much they've smoothed it out. Hard to smooth out fourth grade creative writing, though.

Put me in the camp that doesn't need a sequel. Too many zombies and not enough Science Fiction, imo, and gaming has stagnated in general with everything being a sequel and no one taking risks on new ip's. Sony trusts Bend enough to let them make something new, and half of you are complaining about it.

@Thrillho Nope, none of them! Had an Xbox last gen, and bought all three games on day 1, so got no dlc included with any of them. Played the first one on PC, back when that was my thing.

Not sure how long any of the dlc is, but I'm kind of hoping that if you add all 30 of them together, it might be another game-length experience?

@RaZieLDaNtE

Once this comes out, it'll be my fifth run through the series, but first time for any of the dlc. Can't wait!

I think what makes it so great is all the work they put into the back story. I'm the guy who reads every single codex entry and computer screen to get the maximum emersion. They did a great job building an actual living and breathing universe.

I hope everyone enjoys this as much as I know I'm going to.

Absolutely, day one.

Aren't they working on The Last of the Uncharted?

@RubyCarbuncle

Mankind's future among the stars.....

At the risk of stepping out of the shallow end, that's what I love about Science Fiction. It's what we could be, not what we are. Yeah, that music inspires hope.

Something to strive for, at any rate. Every time I picture gleaming starships streaking away from earth, however, that vision gets ruined when reality steps in the way. Could we really be a people who form a galactic or intergalactic society? Sometimes I think so, then I watch the news and see three guys beating up an elderly Chinese woman because of the Corona Virus. Sometimes looking through a powerful lens can make you miss what's happening right in front of you.

Maybe I need some sleep.

I started Cyberpunk again just to see how the new patch worked, and now I'm 32 hours into a new character again. Just can't leave it alone for some reason. Disco Elysium when my eyes need a break. Thinking of yet another return to Skyrim, too. It's my safe place when I can't get into something newer. I might even go outside to see what THAT's all about.

@ApostateMage

I'm like an OCD person cleaning house when it comes to scanning Keepers.

@Lumic

That's the beauty of the wireless controller, isn't it?

@RubyCarbuncle

You're right about that music. I remember being hypnotized by it many nights while playing through the original 3 games years ago. I would just get lost in the fiction of those worlds, and play for sometimes 24 hours straight. I can remember being so tired, my Shepard just stumbling aimlessly around the Normandy, and that music just hitting some primal spot in my brain. Heard it in my dreams back then, even.

@ShogunRok Hah!

I'm worried about remembering to even feed myself.

Once this comes out, as far as contact with friends and family are concerned, I may as well be on the Normandy for a few months.

@Kidfried Solid Rant! B+

@Westernwolf4

Amen, I posted it before, Starfield will be the most expensive game I've ever bought at $560.00.

I will buy a Bethes-Box.

This game has been consistently amusing from the first scene. The narrator is great, it is NOT a game that takes itself too seriously, and so far no game in recent memory has made me smile so often. And the things that make me smile generally tend to be a little twisted.

Oddly enough, on a base ps4, I'm having more problems clicking on items of interest than I had prior to the patch. Still, it's not anything that really dampens my pleasure for playing the game. It's no action game, it's Planescape Torment on qualudes. Old school rpg with great writing, and yes, great narration.

@PossibLeigh

It's possible I didn't take haptic feedback into consideration. I'll meet you half way at 6.5888, but frankly, 6.5892 I still find obscene.

As for the other, congrats! 😎 We voted it legal in my state last election, but some lawmakers still have a stick lodged and are using red tape to delay it till the end of the year. Not like it's hard to find.

@ApostateMage

Comedy

Yes. (but I have to write more for it to post)

@LiterallyDoNotCare

Yeah, it'd be nice if they offered a few different packages/price-points. In my dealings with Sony, though, I've come to the conclusion they don't always put the customer first. In fact, if you want to see how much they love you, just read the small print on the return policy at the PS Store. I did, and it's a real buzzkill to see exactly how little they think of us end users.

@PossibLeigh

You're high. This game is obviously a 6.5884, and not a fraction over.

@LiterallyDoNotCare

I don't know. If they do combine everything, I think a reasonable price would be $9.99 a month. Not quite as expensive as GamePass, but it shouldn't be, because in the near future, Microsoft is going to have more AAA studios making more AAA games than Sony.

@SLitz1979

That, and maybe I'm alone here, but the PS Store seems to be acting more sluggish than usual lately. Could that be because big parts of it are 'under construction'? I don't know enough about how it works under the hood to make any claims, but...maybe?

@Bad-MuthaAdebisi

lol, if history is any guide...

My guess? The unification of plus and now. Plus maybe a free way to access some of the 3, 2, and one content from the store they are closing. Consolidation seems like it would save sony some money and organizational headaches, while also providing fans with a much broader service.

I'm sure whatever happens, most people here will be outraged.

@Jimmer-jammer 😃

Am I the only one who finds humor in the fact that some of the same posters crying about Bend working on an original I.P. instead of a sequel were just posting about Naughty Dog needing to move on to new things?

I could have sworn it wasn't but a couple of months ago that we heard Naughty Dog WAS working on a new I.P.

A re-make makes great sense if they have some new hires and they want to find out who has what it takes to work on new games. I'd personally love a re-make of TLOU. A full-on remake would look and play miles above what a PS4 re-master of a game with an old engine and old gameplay played like.

Everyone wants to act like their balls are in a vice and nothing and no one can make them happy. This won't be the only project Naughty Dog has up their sleeves, and it's a great way for some junior talent to step up and make an impression.

@zimbogamer @dr-gorgo

Agree with both of you, I posted first and read second, that's why my comment mimicked yours.

I think it's possible that at least some of these delays may be bigger studios with a good rep. like Arkane would probably like to see more PS5's in consumers hands before they release their games. Sure to make the sales numbers look better.

@Profondo Read much?

I was generalizing about the type of games I like, big huge open worlds in general. Read it again, and see if you can't get the context right.

@KingPev

Man, I'm looking forward to it! Probably my favorite fiction in gaming.

Graphics usually don't matter that much to me, but for a shooter, I think this might be one generation too old for my tastes. Huge, empty rooms in that trailer, and up close the soldiers just looked too dated.

So stoked they are doing this. I never played any of the dlc, and all three of these are some of my favorite games for different reasons. To be able to string the whole shebang together chronologically with all the dlc, well, I know what I'll be doing for the next couple of months.

@Radbot42

You're right, I'm sure they have their reasons. It's just that most of those reasons seem to benefit them more than me, the end consumer. I'm all for the model that lets you connect online with friends, but also lets you play single player on your own. Forcing one to connect for singleplayer feels like a small invasion of privacy, and just adds one more link to the chain of things that can go wrong, imo.

@Jimmer-jammer Yeah, I liked how they ended up giving it an 8, but said the performance issues were what kept them from giving it the score it truly deserved. That sounded like a 10 to me, based on the glowing praise throughout the review.

I don't know what I would do if I had to review Cyberpunk, and had a game-stopping bug. On one hand, I can't help but admire the sheer volume of good things that went into the game, while on the other hand, if the game wouldn't let me finish it, a cynical side of me would want to give it a zero. It's been the weirdest release I can recall, because it is at once a very good game, and at the same time a buggy mess for most when it was released.

It's just sad that many folks are going to read some flippant posts by people who invested no real time in the game, and end up not playing it. I feel there's a lot of people who would have really enjoyed it who are going to end up missing out on what would have been a great experience for them.

@fR_eeBritney Actually, it makes perfect sense. Thanks!

@fR_eeBritney

Just want to second what @Jimmer-jammer said. Hope you enjoy it!

P.S. I STILL want to know what you thought of Werewolf!

@Jimmer-jammer

Checked out the Skyrim review you linked. Wow, they put into words a lot of my thoughts and feelings about the game. It's a whole different thing now, smooth as butter on ps4. In many ways, this Cyberpunk situation shows parallels to Skyrim's initial release on ps3.

Someone (or several people) on this thread said they weren't going to buy buggy junk anymore. Well, I try to avoid buggy junk, too. There is, however, an enormous difference between buggy junk and a buggy masterpiece.

If bugs are your main concern, you could go buy something like Destruction All-Stars and be as happy as a warm kitten. Simple gameplay, simple mechanics, no need to overtax your gray matter. If, on the other hand, you appreciate complexity at high levels, support for being able to play as you choose, with no prerendered stereotypes, and a complex, living and breathing world, then you may either have to learn to accept some bugs on release, or play these games 2-3 years after everybody else does, which seems to be the industry standard in terms of when these games eventually shake everything out and run smoothly.

It amazes me, still, after all the time and articles since Cyberpunk's release, that you still get all these blowhards and yahoos racing in to warble some lame opinion about a game they never got into enough to let it get good. They say they can't be bothered, and yet it must consume them, since they can't leave it alone in the message boards.

Good posts, btw, thank you for the support!

I still say no thanks. Art is subjective, so this is only an opinion, but I think the art style is abysmal. Sort of half-hearted anime with disturbing clown faces. To each his own, and to me, not this.

It sounds really good, thanks for the review. My biggest question is why does this have an online requirement? Why do you have to connect to a server at all? Especially if you just want to play single player. You guys are the game journalists, so instead of asking why, don't you have some way of finding it out?

I want to like this game, been following it for a long time. The one single thing that drives me away is the need for a server hook-up. And by the sound of it, they've screwed up that part of it pretty badly on release. I want to buy a game and not be dependent on anyone else to run their side of things properly.

@trev666

It's my understanding that you have to be logged in to play the game, even single player.

@Jimmer-jammer 👍

I play on a base PS4, and I think the patch has made it run much smoother overall. And the adds are more visible, as well as a higher level of detail on most surfaces. Played over 20 hours before getting my first crash, and that was me asking for it, really, by doing stupid things on metal staircases. There's really no reason this shouldn't be on the PlayStation store, except that Sony must feel like their honor has been impinged by having to (horror of horrors) offer refunds.

Just went over to Metacritic to check out Outriders, and it sounds like it's having it's share of problems. I had high hopes for this, but I'll wait for the 2 heavies. Heavy Discount and Heavy Patching.