I haven't had a chance to test it yet, still downloading a ton of stuff, but this will be one of the first I try as I dropped the game fairly early due to its ps5 performance. I did see the DF video mentioning pssr causing conflicts with rt on though.
This unlocked a core memory. I remember a summer holiday in 1994 to a Spanish town named Tossa, and during that trip, an 11yr old me put nearly £40 my grandad had given me in to a Virtua Fighter arcade machine. The subsequent bollocking from my family was unforgettable. Thinking back, that towns name was an apt description of me.
I would imagine this isn't a difficult component for them to have manufactured, so why it's so hard to secure one when two sku's require it is bizarre.
@themightyant Purely speculation, but I suspect some of what gets published there comes from sources who can't publicly disclose their position. It's an interesting forum though.
Anyway, I appreciate your input, mighty, you're always unbiased and level headed with your comments here.
Are you looking forward to Michael's video on the pro tomorrow?
@themightyant I've tried to pinpoint exactly where the sales data on sold units is coming from here as installbase appears to be a thorough platform with regard to data and market analysis, but I can't find anything other than the dataset comparison as you've mentioned. It's likely not far off, but you're absolutely right that these kinds of calculations are open to mistakes and inaccuracies.
I haven't listened to the podcast myself but the thread has generated nearly 400 replies with nobody disputing the figures. There's obviously some rounding as the numbers are too clean, but this appears to be an accurate depiction of week 1 performance.
@PuppetMaster I would love to see another game from them but it doesn't look good. Ruiner was 7 years ago now, and it's been over a year since they last teased their current project on Twitter.
Truth is, Xbox digital sales are unknown because Microsoft hasn't reveal them and they represent 91% of Xbox sales. That's all I wanted to say.
But why are you still saying it when we know what they are?. Chris Dring, the guy who reports these statistics as part of his job, obviously isn't sharing incorrect or inaccurate data.
These are the first week numbers for the UK, retail & digital, comparing the last three titles.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Total sales : 833,000 units
PS5: 285,000 units (34%)
PC: 225,000 units (27%) [Steam: 71,000]
Xbox: 221,000 units (27%)
PS4: 102,000 units (12%)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - Total sales : 529,000 units
PS5: 242,000 units (46%)
Xbox: 136,000 units (26%)
PC: 88,000 units (17%)
PS4: 63,000 units (12%)
Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 - Total sales : 450,000 units
PS5: 315,000 units (70%)
PC: 72,000 units (16%)
Xbox: 45,000 units (10%)
PS4: 18,000 units (4%)
Sad to hear but not surprising. Hopefully most of them can find positions in other first party studios.
You would think everything Hermen does going forward will be scrutinised by Yoshida and everyone above him now. I imagine there's an enormous amount of added pressure on him.
@Shepherd_Tallon If you manage to leave it in its box for another 7 weeks I admire the restraint. I can't wait to download and start Dragon Age on the 7th. I'm just hoping it reviews well at this point.
I think the crux for many is they want the option to always be there, and they probably feel like they're slowly being ushered in to a future where that might not be a reality. I don't imagine it happening any time soon, at least not for another 8 year generation, but I think it's coming.
@Medic_alert True, they're never going to match what is technically a grey market, and physical will always be slightly cheaper at launch, but the difference is often not as much as people assume. Metaphor for example is £49.95 physical, and I paid £53.60 for digital.
Interesting to see how many people have said digital being too expensive is the reason they don't buy new games that way. That is only a thing on PS, on Xbox and Steam you can get codes from resellers that make digital cheaper.
You can do this on PS as well, in the UK at least, not sure about other markets. Shopto is the official Sony reseller here. As a gold member a £70 card is £60. I haven't paid full price for a digital release once this gen.
That being said, hopefully the option of a drive and support for physical will be around for a long time to come.
@SystemAddict Pretty much the same boat. I was burnt out on the formula so I passed on it at release, but I've admired the theme and art style since I first saw it.
It'd run well on a potato. But not on the consoles.
It ran like crap on tons of different configurations up until a patch a few weeks ago, and even that hasn't fully resolved it. You just have to Google DD2 pc performance and see the complaints for yourself. It's a horribly optimised game, and not just on console.
Just the 10% overclock which won’t move the needle for those CPU bound games.
It might, we'll have to wait and see. On paper it sounds insignificant, but as shown with Dragons dogma 2, a comparative scenario running through the city had the pro averaging 20fps more than the base and was much closer to it's 60fps target. Still not perfect in a poorly optimised game, but it was running a lot better on the "same cpu". This would also fall in to the PlayStation's vrr window which those of us with compatible displays will benefit from.
@NEStalgia
Yeah but I'd be kinder to it if it offered appropriate upgrades for the coin.
It does, but we've already been over this. Double the drive space, a much improved gpu, faster memory, an overclocked cpu, and a proprietary ai upscaler. What you think that's worth is subjective, but as previously discussed, you're not building it for $699.
I'm not sure what your almost £500 cpu has to do with a cpu bound games comparative performance though.
@Thorn84 That's strange, I don't understand why your situation would be different to mine or many others. There must be something else at play but I've no idea what.
@Titntin Yeah, makes sense. I know you weren't referencing me but to be clear, I'm a million miles away from the evil bandwagon 😄
Do you have any interest in playing through this again? I realised when mentioning how old it was that it's been that long since my only playthrough. I might give a go on the pro if I can find the time.
@Titntin @PsBoxSwitchOwner I get where you're both coming from, but if you're still on the PS4 and by some miracle you have never claimed or played this, then a 7 year old game with no improvements on that platform has just more than doubled in price.
@Pranwell Same to you, mate. Not gonna lie, that anniversary bundle for £959 would have been sweet, but never mind, looking forward to playing Dragon Age on the pro when it arrives.
@CrashBandicoat Not that much to be honest. If you have the original launch it can go for quite a bit more than revisions because of its modding capabilities, but I've never been interested in selling personally.
The real money is in rare boxed games for these systems. I've got some neo geo stuff that's easily worth hundreds.
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Re: No Xbox Games Are Off the Table for Release on PlayStation, Says Phil Spencer
Was he wearing a bow tie and sitting on Satya's lap when he said this.
Re: Hands On: $700 Later and Dragon's Dogma 2 PS5 Pro Performance Is Still Far from Perfect
I haven't had a chance to test it yet, still downloading a ton of stuff, but this will be one of the first I try as I dropped the game fairly early due to its ps5 performance. I did see the DF video mentioning pssr causing conflicts with rt on though.
Re: SEGA Is Bringing Back Its Iconic Virtua Fighter Franchise for PS5
@BolkaRover One for the UK crowd 😄
@Blauwe_Chimay I remember it fondly. The Trocadero was a great place to visit as a kid.
Re: SEGA Is Bringing Back Its Iconic Virtua Fighter Franchise for PS5
This unlocked a core memory. I remember a summer holiday in 1994 to a Spanish town named Tossa, and during that trip, an 11yr old me put nearly £40 my grandad had given me in to a Virtua Fighter arcade machine. The subsequent bollocking from my family was unforgettable. Thinking back, that towns name was an apt description of me.
Re: PS5 Pro Has a Remarkable Impact on Unpatched Games
Metaphor at 60 without a patch, sweet baby jesus!
Re: Round Up: PS5 Pro Reviews Love New Tech and Its Glimpse of PS6 Potential
I just saw this on reddit and whilst a minor thing, I really like the look of it.
Background option for the welcome screen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZJHp2m43E
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Dev's Divinity Original Sin 2 Seemingly Set for PS5
I'll be buying this again, it's one of my all time favourites.
Re: In the UK, You Can't Buy a PS5 Pro Disc Drive without Paying a Premium
@MrPeanutbutterz Yeah probably, but they're still leaving money on the table by not ensuring it's availability for both.
Re: In the UK, You Can't Buy a PS5 Pro Disc Drive without Paying a Premium
I would imagine this isn't a difficult component for them to have manufactured, so why it's so hard to secure one when two sku's require it is bizarre.
Re: PS5 Dominates UK Black Ops 6 Sales, As Game Pass Causes Xbox Share to Collapse
@themightyant Same to you mate.
Re: PS5 Dominates UK Black Ops 6 Sales, As Game Pass Causes Xbox Share to Collapse
@themightyant Purely speculation, but I suspect some of what gets published there comes from sources who can't publicly disclose their position. It's an interesting forum though.
Anyway, I appreciate your input, mighty, you're always unbiased and level headed with your comments here.
Are you looking forward to Michael's video on the pro tomorrow?
Re: PS5 Dominates UK Black Ops 6 Sales, As Game Pass Causes Xbox Share to Collapse
@themightyant I've tried to pinpoint exactly where the sales data on sold units is coming from here as installbase appears to be a thorough platform with regard to data and market analysis, but I can't find anything other than the dataset comparison as you've mentioned. It's likely not far off, but you're absolutely right that these kinds of calculations are open to mistakes and inaccuracies.
Re: Mini Review: Redacted (PS5) - Unexpected The Callisto Protocol Spinoff Makes for an Entertaining Roguelike
@LikelySatan I have and it's another great example of the genre.
Re: PS5 Dominates UK Black Ops 6 Sales, As Game Pass Causes Xbox Share to Collapse
@themightyant Apologies for the late reply, mighty, I just woke up.
The data was compiled by a user on the installbase forum named Astral_lion02 - https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/uk-sales-week-43-2024-oct-20-oct-26.3142/#post-285208
It was calculated using the Gi.biz podcast with Chris Dring.
Also discussed here - https://www.resetera.com/threads/gbiz-uk-digital-physical-sales-call-of-duty-black-ops-6-sales-down-15-on-mwiii-46-on-mwii-xbox-67-pc-18-ps5-30.1026924/
I haven't listened to the podcast myself but the thread has generated nearly 400 replies with nobody disputing the figures. There's obviously some rounding as the numbers are too clean, but this appears to be an accurate depiction of week 1 performance.
Re: Mini Review: Redacted (PS5) - Unexpected The Callisto Protocol Spinoff Makes for an Entertaining Roguelike
@PuppetMaster I would love to see another game from them but it doesn't look good. Ruiner was 7 years ago now, and it's been over a year since they last teased their current project on Twitter.
Unfortunately, this happened at the start of the year as well https://www.eurogamer.net/ruiner-developer-reikon-games-lays-off-half-its-studio
Re: Mini Review: Redacted (PS5) - Unexpected The Callisto Protocol Spinoff Makes for an Entertaining Roguelike
@tameshiyaku Yeah it's excellent.
Re: Mini Review: Redacted (PS5) - Unexpected The Callisto Protocol Spinoff Makes for an Entertaining Roguelike
This reminds me of Ruiner, a fantastic twin stick that's only a couple of quid on the store at the minute.
If it's short I'll probably wait for a sale, but I'll definitely grab this at some point.
Re: PS5 Dominates UK Black Ops 6 Sales, As Game Pass Causes Xbox Share to Collapse
@Banjo-
But why are you still saying it when we know what they are?. Chris Dring, the guy who reports these statistics as part of his job, obviously isn't sharing incorrect or inaccurate data.
These are the first week numbers for the UK, retail & digital, comparing the last three titles.
Re: PS5 Pro vs PS5: Full Tech Specs Comparison
@IOI I guess you're purposely ignoring inflation because the PS5 Pro barely scrapes in to the top 10 most expensive when taken in to consideration.
Re: Official List of PS5 Pro Launch Games Revealed by Sony
I wonder what changes Larian have made.
Re: PS5, PC Flop Concord Never Returning, Studio Closed Down
Sad to hear but not surprising. Hopefully most of them can find positions in other first party studios.
You would think everything Hermen does going forward will be scrutinised by Yoshida and everyone above him now. I imagine there's an enormous amount of added pressure on him.
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Enjoys the Series' Biggest Launch in Years
@carlos82 I wasn't aware of that, I wrongly assumed it tracked all active players. That's actually even more impressive then.
Edit - I'll delete my previous comment as it's wholly inaccurate for the pc platform.
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Enjoys the Series' Biggest Launch in Years
@carlos82 People playing on gamepass on PC don't contribute to concurrent players?
Re: Stellar Blade's Latest Update Preps for PS5 Pro Enhancement
@Medic_alert
Re: PS5 Pro Patch for The Last of Us 2 Remastered Already Available Now
@Shepherd_Tallon Understandable, I don't think I'll ever reach an age where I don't love this time of year.
Re: PS5 Pro Patch for The Last of Us 2 Remastered Already Available Now
@Shepherd_Tallon If you manage to leave it in its box for another 7 weeks I admire the restraint. I can't wait to download and start Dragon Age on the 7th. I'm just hoping it reviews well at this point.
16 days and counting.
Re: Like It or Not, This Is Why PS5 Pro Doesn't Have a Disc Drive
@Medic_alert Same here.
I think the crux for many is they want the option to always be there, and they probably feel like they're slowly being ushered in to a future where that might not be a reality. I don't imagine it happening any time soon, at least not for another 8 year generation, but I think it's coming.
Re: Like It or Not, This Is Why PS5 Pro Doesn't Have a Disc Drive
@Medic_alert True, they're never going to match what is technically a grey market, and physical will always be slightly cheaper at launch, but the difference is often not as much as people assume. Metaphor for example is £49.95 physical, and I paid £53.60 for digital.
Re: Like It or Not, This Is Why PS5 Pro Doesn't Have a Disc Drive
@Medic_alert
You can do this on PS as well, in the UK at least, not sure about other markets. Shopto is the official Sony reseller here. As a gold member a £70 card is £60. I haven't paid full price for a digital release once this gen.
That being said, hopefully the option of a drive and support for physical will be around for a long time to come.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Showcases the Problem with Sony's Games on PS5 Pro
Some fuel for the naysayers to keep making blanket statements.
Re: Like Clockwork, Lies of P Will Be Enhanced on PS5 Pro
@SystemAddict Pretty much the same boat. I was burnt out on the formula so I passed on it at release, but I've admired the theme and art style since I first saw it.
Re: PS5 Pro Makes Quality, Performance Modes in Dragon Age: The Veilguard Better Than Ever
@NEStalgia That sounds amazing. What headset are you using?
Re: PS5 Pro Makes Quality, Performance Modes in Dragon Age: The Veilguard Better Than Ever
@NEStalgia
It ran like crap on tons of different configurations up until a patch a few weeks ago, and even that hasn't fully resolved it. You just have to Google DD2 pc performance and see the complaints for yourself. It's a horribly optimised game, and not just on console.
Re: Like Clockwork, Lies of P Will Be Enhanced on PS5 Pro
For anyone who skipped this like myself, the base game is currently on sale for £29.99 on the UK store until November 1st.
I'll probably start my first playthrough after finishing Dragon Age.
Re: PS5 Pro Makes Quality, Performance Modes in Dragon Age: The Veilguard Better Than Ever
@HonestHick
It might, we'll have to wait and see. On paper it sounds insignificant, but as shown with Dragons dogma 2, a comparative scenario running through the city had the pro averaging 20fps more than the base and was much closer to it's 60fps target. Still not perfect in a poorly optimised game, but it was running a lot better on the "same cpu". This would also fall in to the PlayStation's vrr window which those of us with compatible displays will benefit from.
@NEStalgia
It does, but we've already been over this. Double the drive space, a much improved gpu, faster memory, an overclocked cpu, and a proprietary ai upscaler. What you think that's worth is subjective, but as previously discussed, you're not building it for $699.
I'm not sure what your almost £500 cpu has to do with a cpu bound games comparative performance though.
Re: Silent Hill 2 (PS5) - The Horror Great Remains So in This Excellent Remake
@Yousef Ahh, I thought it was probably a typo but guessed AC and was worried you had somehow missed the news of its delay.
Re: Silent Hill 2 (PS5) - The Horror Great Remains So in This Excellent Remake
Sounds great. I never played this first time around so looking forward to it.
@Yousef What's Shafow?
Re: PlayStation Begins Pre-Orders for PS5's Chroma Collection, Horizon Remastered, More
I like that chroma pearl controller, looks clean.
Re: PSN Was Down But Has Now Been Resolved
@Thorn84 That's strange, I don't understand why your situation would be different to mine or many others. There must be something else at play but I've no idea what.
Re: PlayStation Network Outage Has Now Been Resolved
@carlos82 I've never experienced this myself, but that sucks for anyone who unfortunately has.
Re: PlayStation Network Is Currently Offline, Sony Working on Restoring Services
@carlos82 You can still play digital games if psn is down, you just can't use online services. It's no different for disc.
Re: PS Store Confirms Lots More PS5 Pro Enhanced Games with New Tag
Returnal please
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS4's Price Doubles After PS5 Remaster Announcement
@Titntin Yeah, makes sense. I know you weren't referencing me but to be clear, I'm a million miles away from the evil bandwagon 😄
Do you have any interest in playing through this again? I realised when mentioning how old it was that it's been that long since my only playthrough. I might give a go on the pro if I can find the time.
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS4's Price Doubles After PS5 Remaster Announcement
@Titntin You're probably right, I'm just trying to see it from both sides. It doesn't sit right with me for that platform.
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS4's Price Doubles After PS5 Remaster Announcement
@Titntin @PsBoxSwitchOwner I get where you're both coming from, but if you're still on the PS4 and by some miracle you have never claimed or played this, then a 7 year old game with no improvements on that platform has just more than doubled in price.
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS4's Price Doubles After PS5 Remaster Announcement
You stay classy, Sonyiego.
Re: How to Pre-Order PS5's 30th Anniversary Collection
@Pranwell Same to you, mate. Not gonna lie, that anniversary bundle for £959 would have been sweet, but never mind, looking forward to playing Dragon Age on the pro when it arrives.
Re: How to Pre-Order PS5's 30th Anniversary Collection
@CrashBandicoat Not that much to be honest. If you have the original launch it can go for quite a bit more than revisions because of its modding capabilities, but I've never been interested in selling personally.
The real money is in rare boxed games for these systems. I've got some neo geo stuff that's easily worth hundreds.
Re: How to Pre-Order PS5's 30th Anniversary Collection
Anniversary portal still available as well.
Re: How to Pre-Order PS5's 30th Anniversary Collection
@Orange_Juice A collector with a lot of disposable income will unfortunately pay those kind of prices.
I've been collecting boxed systems since the Commodore 64 but I'd never pay anywhere near that.