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@BRUTALSAM fact remains your going to have to pay £1500 to get a similar spec PC. I've been gaming on pc's for over 25 years and yes it has its advantages but it also has disadvantages. Yeah online is free, but it's also full of hackers/ cheaters. I've really enjoyed playing on a closed eco system since getting the ps4 and now the ps5. Also like not having to update my graphics card every 4-5 years and checking what the minimum specs are. You buy a console, you know it will play every game until the next one comes out.
Its great you love the PC so much, me personally I'm looking forward to playing all the big Sony games coming out in 2022, I'm sure they will look great on your PC in 2023/4/5

@justemu so at the start of next year we're getting Horizon forbidden west, gt7, forspoken, ghost wire tokyo, stray, sifu. And hopefully sometime in the year the new GOW and final fantasy 16. And the PC is just getting GOW2018! Plus they have 25 games in development with nearly half being new IP, but yeah they are definitely making the PC their top priority 🙄

@Carl-G you do realise it was Shawn Layden that started the strategy to port games to pc. He just said so himself in an interview and his reasons for it. Jim Ryan is just carrying it out.

Definitely my game of the year so far. I'm not normally into rogue like games, but this one just grabbed me and I couldn't put it down. It's not just the sound and visuals, it's the way the game feels to play(especially with the dualsense) that few games can match.

@lolwhatno my bad, I'm obviously to old for some of these forums. Should have asked my kids!

@lolwhatno I take it you have facts to back up that statement? Most of the people who buy and play on consoles have no interest in pc gaming. And I say this as a pc gamer for over 25 years.
Sony put HZD on pc over 18 months ago, then days gone, and we knew GOW was getting ported aswell and still it's the fastest selling Sony console of all time. As long as they don't go day and date the demand will be high for a long long time.
I'd bet that the ps5 will comfortably out sell the ps4.

Been playing it since Saturday when my copy arrived early. So far it's been a really great experience and I think they got the tone of the movies spot on. Lots of banter between the guardians and I've laughed quite a few times. Looks impressive too.
Combat for me is good but not great, starlords weapon feels like a pea shooter at times but I suppose that's why you've got to use the rest of the team. And I personally don't like the huddles because it brings the action to a stop. But the following music is great!
Overall though it's just been a fun game so far. Definitely between an 8 to 9.

@theheadofabroom so far I'm really enjoying it on the whole. If you like the films I think they got the tone right. Lots of banter between the guardians and has made me laugh a few times. The dialogue does give you options, I'm only on chapter 3 so not sure how much it effects the story. But I had Drax throw rocket across a canyon and it told me rocket was pi##ed at me and would remember it. And I did help a character through a dialogue choice and they gave me something that could be very useful, so I do think it should have replayability.
Graphics wise I think it looks very good for the most part, and the characters look great. Runs lovely on my ps5 but I have had a few frame stutters(probably a patch will sort that). Combat is fun but I'm not blown away, very chaotic and so far it's been in small environments. That might change though and the characters do have lots of different moves to unlock in skill trees. They obviously fight the enemies, but you can command them to carry out special moves.
So far I'm really enjoying it and it gives me what I hoped it would, a fun experience and engaging story. It's at least an 8.
And best of all, no micro transactions 👍🙂

@theheadofabroom my Internet's not that bad 😁. I'll let you know how it plays! 👍

@Tsushima my copy of guardians of the galaxy just dropped through my front door too! Nice surprise! Just installing it now and the 6gb day one patch! So that's me sorted for the weekend!

@Coltaine22 I think your completely correct, if this strategy starts to hurt ps5 sales it will stop. But I don't believe selling older games to a new audience will hurt sales enough to out weigh the benefits.
And it was Shawn Layden that started this strategy (look at my post 283 for his interview a few weeks ago), Jim Ryan is just carrying it out. I think Shawn makes some very good reasons for doing these ports.

@Oscarjpc I didn't say they only make one sort of game, you did! I think they make some very different types of games and are already trying to boarden out this generation, especially on the multiplayer side. Just the other month they stated they have 25 games in development and nearly half of them are new IP's! Is that enough for you? Doesn't sound too grim to me! You must have missed that!
And how am I buttering up PlayStation? You think they are reading this forum? I just think your being very over the top about them porting over old games, potentially bringing in more customers!
At the end of the day we're just taking about computer games, nothing worth getting all upset about. I personally have a series x sat next to my ps5 and a switch upstairs. I just love playing great games on whatever box they are on. Lifes too short to have loyalty to a billion dollar corporation.

@Oscarjpc but they have no erosion of customers? They have the hottest gaming console on the market, that has been their most successful console launch in Sony's history. They literally can't make the ps5 fast enough. And this is 18Months after they started porting over games to the pc, we all knew this was coming and still people want their console!
Brand loyalty only goes so far. They don't owe you anything, and you don't owe them anything. There is nothing stopping you saying nah, I'm going xbox this generation! They make a product, you can to choose to buy it or not. Sounds to me like you don't like them or their product anymore and have no interest in their games so I wonder why your so bothered? Sounds like your time with Sony is done, hope you find the games your looking for elsewhere. 👍

Edit: I'll just add that those crap over the shoulder derivative games you dislike so much are the reason they sold 116 million ps4's, that they are what the core fans want. To ditch them to make games like Sound Shapes or Tokyo Jungle would go against what these core players want. But then I guess your not a marketing genius either!

@PC_Peasant Ex PlayStation boss Shawn Layden in an interview 2 weeks ago.

“The idea of going to PC—and I don’t think you’ll ever see PlayStation do a day and date with PC, but you know, never say never—but the strategy as we were developing it when I was there was that we need to go out to where these new customers are, these new fans could be,” he said.

“We need to go to where they are because they’ve decided not to go to come to my house so I’ve got to go to their house now.

“And what’s the best way to go to their house? Why don’t I take one of our top selling games, which has already blown up the marketplace, it’s already been out there for 18 months or 24 months, there’s no real retail activity against that title, I’m not trading off one sale for another, and bring that to the personal computer platform and let them have an idea – you guys choose not to come to PlayStation but let me show you what you’re missing.”

For Layden, “there’s no losing in this transaction” as PC game sales aren’t coming at the expense of console software purchases, and ideally they might encourage PC players to buy a console down the line.

“It’s a way of outreach, that’s how I see it – trying to get to the people that the platform doesn’t currently speak to,” he said.

So Jim Ryan is just carrying on from Shawn's planning and strategy. I think he makes compete sense in this interview. And if you think destroying a brand is having the hottest selling bit of tech in the world right now, and Sony having their biggest 1st quarter revenue in the history of the company then..... 🤷

@Link41x well at least that will give someone else more of a chance to buy one. 👍

@ShogunRok I believe it sold 716000 in its first month and it's over a million now. Like you say it's a good business decision to port over old games. That's potentially a million more customers that may be tempted to buy a ps5 to play the latest sequel. Probably no where near that number but it's smart move to try.

@Oscarjpc do you understand what the word hypocrisy means? One advantage straight off, it gives Sony millions more revenue which they can put back into game development which we then all benefit from. Two it spreads the brand name and the quality of the games, potentially making new hardware customers which again gives them more money. I'm not saying it's awesome or great, just a smart business decision for them.

And if your that bothered about what a billion dollar company is doing and it effects you that much, just take your money elsewhere. I have no loyalty to any plastic box, I just like Sony's games and hardware. I find it strange you think just because you've bought their consoles over the years your entitled to anything!

@Oscarjpc as long as you've got patience then yes you might get to play "EVERYTHING", but it's not guaranteed and you don't know when! Me I like to play games when they come out. By the time they come to pc I'll be paying the next great Sony game. But hey you do you.

@truerbluer you have to spend anywhere from £800 to £1500 for a decent pc to match the ps5. At least £400 on a graphics card to make it a bit future proof, and a decent Cpu and ssd(more games are requiring that now on pc). That's a big out lay. Yeah it's free to game online but enjoy all the cheaters and hackers. And this whole they get to game online for free is funny. You think people that can spend that sort of money would worry about £36 a year? That's the most I've ever paid(sony discounts it at least twice a year) and for that I get 36 plus games and cloud storage.
And yes games are £70, but they seem to drop very quickly. I've picked up games cheaper on the ps store in sales than steam are selling them at. Plus let's be honest most console buyers are casuals, they are not on a site like this. You think they can be bothered with graphics settings and updating the gpu drivers every month? That in 3 to 4 years they will have to start worrying if their pc meets the minimum requirements?

And the whole day and date argument is silly, as it would ruin the whole PlayStation business model. Sony needs to sell consoles, they need to have the ps store in people's homes. Last year they sold around 330 million games, and they have said themselves that digital now accounts for 71% of their sales. That is a massive amount of revenue for them, much bigger than putting the games on a pc where they would not get any cut of the 3rd party sales from people not buying their console. How many fifa/cod/battlefield sales would they lose? No they need to have ps5's in people's houses. I would bet anyone on here no ps5 exclusives will launch day and date this gen. The only time Sony will ever do this is when streaming is the only way. That boxes are no longer a thing, and then it will be a ps app on your TV or computer and you'll play them through their store.

@art_of_the_kill wow a leak said so. It must be true then!

@IonMagi nothing is confirmed, just what you want to believe in your head. At no point have they said day and date releases. Would not make any business sense for Sony's model, it makes sense for MS.

@IonMagi I've seen you say several times in this comments section the games will come to pc day one? Please show us exactly where Jim Ryan said this? He said he wants to get the games to as many people as possible! There are many ways to do this. Mobile, streaming( possibly netflix), the older games to pc as we're seeing.
And the whole just build your own pc makes me laugh. I gamed on pc exclusively for over 20 years. I spent £1000s on new systems, upgrades and monitors over that time just to keep up. Then there is the whole patches, gpu drivers and the big one, cheating! It's massive on pc.
The vast majority of people that buy consoles just want the convenience of putting a box under their TV, turning it on and gaming. You think parents are going to start going out and building their kids pcs? Going to keep upgrading it? No they want to buy a box and not worry for 7 years.
The last pc I had built 4 years ago my eldest plays on. Cost me £1500 and the ps5 is more powerful now. I'm an old git now, I like sitting on my sofa in front of my 55 inch TV with the dualsense. And I'm certainly not prepared to wait 3 to 4 years to play the next GOW.
Personally I think it's a genuis move by Sony. Make millions more from old games, and spread the brand. So they lose a few thousand hardware sales, they potentially could make many many more from people like myself.

After how bad the beta was over the weekend, this and portal are my only hope for this game. Could be really good with some very tense moments. But long term replayability and the quality of the AI defenders might hamper it.

I gave it an 8. I found it fun with interesting story/mechanics, but the repetitive nature of it later on just got old for me. Definitely worth a buy though.

@Sakisa Sony have stated 71% of their sales are digital. So I'd say Sony players have embraced digital too. all we can go on is the physical sales, and on that front the games aren't selling on xbox.

@KayOL77 I'm sure the contracts make very interesting reading. Your right we are in very uncharted waters with two companies taking very different approaches, only time will show who got it right.
But I should imagine a lot of 3rd party publishers are looking at these sales figures of the two platforms and maybe changing their strategies accordingly.

@Fiendish-Beaver my thought on this is that gamepass is changing the buying habits of xbox gamers. I think it's conditioning them to wait on games to see if they drop into gamepass. Tales of arise sold 86% Sony in its first week in the UK, and it seems to be a growing trend. And I say this as someone who subscribes myself.
Will be interesting to see the long term implications of this. Do 3rd party publishers just make deals with MS and drop into gamepass day one? Don't and hope is still sells well? Or worse case it could mean they don't spend the money porting to the machines (a bit more work this gen as they have to take the series s into account), and xbox gamers lose out?
Every advert I've seen for far cry 6 has been with the xbox brand attached, and it still sold 71% Sony.

@Slippship its selling on one console that's less than a year old. Plus Sony themselves have said 71% of their game sales are now digital so who knows how many it's really sold.

Played the first few hours and really enjoying it so far. Runs great, good atmosphere and nice sense of humour. Yeah I could of waited a year and got it on gamepass but life's to short. Plus they have really done a great job with the dualsense, really adds to the game.

@ThroughTheIris56 I would argue it is better. The platform that the gamer has invested in gets the game first, probably the best version. That £450 box has more value! It's not Sony's problem that xbox owners have too wait. Same as its not MS problem Sony players will never get to play starfield. If MS could get away with it they would buy every studio and publisher available and lock them all up behind a gamepass pay wall. And uncle Phil would sleep soundly at night. Right or wrong has nothing to do with it.

@ThroughTheIris56 no they are paying so their platform and the people/ players that invested in it get a great experience. That the platform has value. Exactly the same as MS buying Bethesda, they took the games away from the other 2 platforms so their platform has more value, gamepass has more value. MS didn't give a crap about doing this, it was just good business to them.
The article states Sony are collaborating and publishing the game, why would they let it release on the other platforms at the same time? Would make no sense.

@ThroughTheIris56 all three companies have paid for timed exclusives in the past and will do so again. It's called business. Nothing pathetic about it. Sony is publishing and collaborating on the game, of course they are going to make it at least timed exclusive. Without their money the game might not even have got a remake if they didn't.

@MaccaMUFC but the PS5 has had returnal, ratchet, spiderman MM, sackboy, demon souls already since launch. Yes the xbox has 2 big hitters coming soon, but that's really their first big hitters since the console has launched! And I say this as someone who's had a series x day one and has been waiting for something 1st party to play on it!
The start of 2022 is looking very good for Sony.

Mostly enjoyed it. Quite a few games im going to buy so I suppose it did its job. And 2022 is looking very good. Just wish they hadn't shown deathloop again!
The good thing is they still have plenty of games left to show, I think Sony's future is very bright.

@Z390 I just got a WD SN850 1TB for £170, got myself a £10 heatsink, took a couple of minutes to put together and now I'm just waiting for the email saying I'm in the beta test. 🤞 that's an SSD twice as fast as the xbox proprietary one and cheaper. What cost are we paying?
And it's not as hard as some are making out, I watched a video and a bloke installed one in 2 minutes.
The reason for the speed is so it won't effect games down the line. The true next gen games that are designed to take advantage of the ssd and the ps5 io throughout. Plus in some of the tests I've seen so far, games are loading slightly faster from the m2 drives.

They have missed one little thing in the install. There is a little silver spacer with the screw in the bay. You have to put that into the hole your going to screw into for your ssd.
I've ordered the firecuda 530 with heatsink. I reckon the update will go live at the end of this month 🤞.

@The_New_Butler but so what if it is limited to 1st party and exclusives? That means we the consumer get the very best games that they can make on the hardware available. That the consoles we have bought have value, that Sony's devs can maybe make games and use ideas they never thought possible before because Sony chose this ssd.

@The_New_Butler yes we'll have to see. But even if it is just 1st party and exclusives, we the gamers are going to benefit from Sony's decision to put such a fast ssd in the ps5.

This from the VP of engineering at Epic Games last year:

This goes beyond faster loading speeds. Guaranteeing that level of performance for every PS5 means developers have the freedom to stream so much content every second, which could fundamentally change how levels are designed and how content is streamed.

“The ability to stream in content at extreme speeds enables developers to create denser and more detailed environments, changing how we think about streaming content. It’s so impactful that we’ve rewritten our core I/O subsystems for Unreal Engine with the PlayStation 5 in mind,” he added.

Now they've said unreal 5 is very scalable, so I'm sure the series x/s will still have great looking games.
Me personally I'm glad Sony went this route, for the sake of 2 screws id rather have the fastest/ best tech I can.

@The_New_Butler I think @Jaz007 is right, it's way too early to know if/ when the extra speed will be an advantage. Its well too early in the life cycle to know. But I did read an article with an unreal 5 engine dev the other day that said the higher I/O bandwidth not only helps with loading and streaming assets, but also streaming in textures.
As the unreal 5 engine will probably be one of the most used, it can only help Sony's side. Will that make any real world differences that the average gamer will notice? 🤷. But I do know that it gives Sony's 1st party devs a great platform to make amazing and detailed worlds.

Just managed to preorder the 1tb from overclockers for £198 delivered. Looks pretty straight forward to me installing them, plus can hoover the dust ports whilst I'm at it.

Update, I've just been reading that seagate say the version with the heatsink fits fine, so just paid an extra tenner for that version.

As others have said, Sony haven't done that great in Japan for years. This whole narrative that it's just happening now is stupid.
R&C 2016 27k sales on a 4 million ps4 install base.
New R&C 14k on a 684k (disc version) ps5 install base.
If anything that's better, and probably more have bought it digitally.

Sony will do fine in Japan, probably the same as the ps4. Japan is the land of the handheld(the 2016 chart was nearly all 3ds). They just prioritise the west now, and from the sales data, I don't blame them.

@vict0RGM I prefer Sony's approach. You only have to look at the viewing figures for the horizon forbidden West state of play to see how popular they are. I think Sony will have some type of longer show in the next month when all the focus will be on them. And dropping state of plays keeps the interest going in the platform.

@Loftimus fair one, I'll be playing all the best games to, I just don't have your patience and I don't think £70 for a high quality game is that much these days. Will be interesting to see the effect gamepass and Microsofts very deep pockets has on the gaming landscape long term. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think it's going to be for the better.

@Loftimus you obviously think gamepass is great value and since you continually go on about the £70 price point I don't think your going to enjoy PlayStation much this generation. The £70 price point is here to stay, 3rd party games like battlefield 2042 are £70 on both platforms. Looks like most big titles will be this generation and I really don't see Sony changing either.
As everyone has said, the value of gamepass is subjective to each individual player. I have about 40 games from GP installed on my series x but I've only finished one (desperados 3). Maybe it's my mindset but I find it hard to get invested in the games, they just feel more disposable. Whereas I paid £62 for returnal and after the first hour I was thinking it wasn't for me. But I preservered because I had invested into it and I'm glad I did. 30 hours later and I'm still loving it I think it was worth every penny.
Don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to forza h5 and will play it day one, and there are some other great games coming but I think there is value in Sony releasing amazing games that you can't play anywhere else even at £70. MS have still got to show they can make games of the same quality to really trouble Sony. I believe there is room for both models.
And concerning R&C, it has 5 difficulty settings, the top one is apparently brutal at times so there is challenge there. Oh and its bloody beautiful and plays great.

Started R&C today and I'm really really impressed. Got to be one of the best looking games I've ever seen. And it's just so much fun to play. And after returnal continually kicking my butt(just one more run) it's just what I needed!

@Juanalf if you want to play them on the release date you buy a PlayStation. Want to wait 2-3 years and pay full price whilst they have probably been put on psplus, buy a PC.

Bit gutted no campaign but if the multi player is back to bf3 and bf4 with those only in battlefield moments I'll probably get it. Always think the price and value of multi player only games is subjective. Me and my friends put hundreds of hours into bf3&4 online.

@hobbes242 you get the other person to download the demo/ friends pass version. We downloaded that version onto my PC so my eldest son could play with me. On the PS5 you click create (I think, I'm not home) and give the other player the number code.
We've been having a blast playing it, on level 5 at the mo. Yeah it doesn't really tell you what you have to do half the time but that's what makes it so much fun. You really need to communicate well with the other person and you may fall out when it gets really intense. But I think they've made a really fun challenging experience.
As its free on plus if give it a 9. Even paying for it I'd still give it an 8.

Looks great fun but far cry 5 burnt me out. Loved the world, exploring and some of the crazy missions but the constant cut scene encounters and bloody annoying villains did my head in. Will still probably get it though, when it's half price after a few months.

I don't think they will do one in June, I have a feeling they will let all the 3rd party developers show off all their games that are coming, with quite a few being PlayStation exclusives(Square Enix). And with R&C releasing around E3 time and hopefully with amazing reviews, that keeps Sony in the spotlight. Then have a big showcase in July when they'll know how big they need to go to combat whatever MS showed.