LogicStrikesAgain

@KoopaTheGamer Nah man, im just playing. Sometimes i just get a bit troll-y when i see the same reactions. I respect everybody's opinion, but i cant shake the bias some people seem to have when it comes to console pricing. While dropping $1400 on a phone is totally fine for them. (Not talking about you, ofcourse)

@Balaam_ Im actually curious, does it affect the console negatively if you don't use the stand? Like with airflow or something?

@KoopaTheGamer Cue in the people saying how expensive it is. Just a suggestion, maybe you can go to Nvidia cards or iPhone forums. Where people are buying products more than double the price of the Pro. You’ll have a great day complaining over there i bet 😄

@Blofse You’re right! Kind of you to notice. I would also like to thank you Push square, for the hard work! 🙏🏼

Make shorter games Sony, that might also help with profitability. AA games and even shorter AAA games. I know im probably one of few, but games nowadays are so long. Personally, im fine with games like Astro bot.

@Whately86 I think what you’re suggesting would be for Sony to release their own launcher. Which is not a bad idea. Now, im not very knowledgeable about all of this myself, but im pretty sure that while it could be good for Sony, PC gamers would probably strongly oppose that idea. As it would bring another launcher for them to deal with.

@GamingFan4Lyf Lol, “🤷🏻‍♂️” perfectly encapsulates my sentiments as well! And yes, my first thought would also be that sales would be more important. There might be something said for the ecosystem option, as people in an ecosystem tend to spend more. But hey, who knows whats going on in the heads of the people running Sony.

@GamingFan4Lyf Yeah, the Steam being proprietary comment was actually meant for someone else. He said PSN is a proprietary signin on a proprietary platform and PC isn't a proprietary platform. So i just wanted to say that while PC isn't, Steam is.

It wasn't really meant to unlock a discussion whether Sony is allowed to do what they're doing on Steam or not.

@GamingFan4Lyf I do agree, it seems like Sony should be catering more to their audience if they want to grow it on PC. But maybe they're conflicted by what they want more. To sell games, or have people convert over to their ecosystem. Also, other publishers don't have the added responsibility of owning a platform they have to cater to. Sony might therefore sometimes need to make other choices than publishers have made in the past. All i know is i don't want to be in their shoes.

@Medic_alert Yes, exactly, that might very well be the case. They simply ran the numbers and didn't back down, because it doesn't affect them. And maybe if the sales go down more, they might change their mind.

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Yes, i agree. And i want to clarify that im also against Sony not making PSN available in those countries.

@dskatter PC might not be proprietary, but Steam is. And Steam is allowing Sony to do this in their ecosystem. And other publishers as well. So as i see it, no foul done. Sony just needs to think about whats more important to them. Game sales or a larger ecosystem.

@evan23 Wait, do you mean you dont automatically log in to ur account? Like you have to type it in everytime you wanna play a game or something? Cause that would be annoying lol

@evan23 The preservation point i respect, but cannot relate to im sorry. And the privacy concern, i understand, but don't care about as much in this specific situation. And seeing as you have a PSN account, im assuming that the privacy concern isn't really a big deal for you as well.

@dskatter Im not being very clear im sorry. By updating i didn't mean that they have to update games outside of Steam or anything. I just meant that they are responsible for patching(updating) the game for bugs and technical issues. So it might help to have more oversight.

Still find it a minor inconvencience when all this can be circumvented by a 2 min sign up though. Sorry, dont have strong feelings about all these things at all. I once had to sign up for playing a Ubisoft game on Playstation. While a minor inconvenience, it took me no less than 2 mins.
But yeah, this is ofcourse very personal for everyone. I can imagine that some might be more annoyed than others.

@GamingFan4Lyf I don't know why. Im just pointing out their statement. They are aware about what some PC gamers think and according to this article, they are still not backing down. Im just making an assumption of why they're not backing down. I guess they do want these gamers into their ecosystem more than they care about the sales. Again, im just speculating here

@evan23 Are there any PC specific implications? Cause i don't see Playstation users making a big issue about having to sign up for PSN. Again, im not a PC gamer. So maybe im missing something.

@GamingFan4Lyf Definitely in their right to vote with their wallet, good on them. But Sony is also responding by saying they’re not budging. So i guess one of their goals is to get more players in their ecosystem. And if PC gamers don't want to, maybe Sony isn't really affected by it. It goes both ways i guess.

And hey, maybe if sales dwindle down more, Sony might change its mind.

Talking from my perspective though. If someone had just signed up with the first Sony PC port, they would have been playing more than a dozen PS games without being “inconvenienced” again. I really don't get whats so difficult for these PC gamers. It seems like more trouble and emotional effort to go on websites complaining and review bombing, than just sign up once and get it over with.

@dskatter An explanation might be that they are the ones patching(updating) the games, since they are Playstation games after all, not Steam games. Sony is ultimately responsible for addressing bugs and technical issues. It would be way easier for them to patch these games and address bugs if they have better oversight. Im just giving one example, there might be many more reasons why Sony wants this.

@dskatter I do understand that it might be an annoyance for some PC gamers. But from my perspective, i didnt really mind it. I did not give it much thought before making one. Honestly, i cant even remember signing up, it was so long ago. Cant even call it an annoyance to be honest. Also, i only had to sign up once. After that, i never had to be inconvenienced ever again. So yeah, i cannot relate. But i do recognize that im probably seeing it from a console gamer point of view.

I still don't get what the big deal is. But thats coming from a console gamer point of view i guess. There are more than 100 million people who signed up for PSN. It cant take any longer than a few mins. Inconveniences wise, its incredibly minor. Is it really about the data argument? Or are these people just too lazy to make an account?

@wildcat_kickz Yes definitely, these are just some required updates from Sony. And still it has done much more to appease the fans a bit, than this show don't tell strategy Hulst has going on. Playstation fans out here hunkering for some info hehe. Still hope we get a 30th anniversary showcase. But dont wanna get my hopes up

@wildcat_kickz Hehe, yeah it was meant jokingly. I think he’s doing fine as CFO of Sony. But here he is, doing a better job than Hulst in creating a bit of excitement for Playstation.

I count 13 first party studios, that aren't supporting studios, or studios not likely to release another game this gen like Polyphony. 5 of which have multiple teams.

So in theory we might be getting 18 more first party games for the remaining generation. More if you count 2nd party. Thats around 4 a year. Not that they'd necessarily be distributed evenly throughout the years.

But this is all speculation ofcourse. It also depends on whether all these games in development, are being developed for current gen and not for next gen. But seeing as some, if not most of these developers havent released a game this gen, there’s a big chance that most is still coming out before the PS6.

@REALAIS I’d also like to see something with Playstation characters. Not necessarily live service. And maybe something in the same vein as Mario party/Fall guys. I think that might be cool

Yo, thats actually good to hear. Totoki out here doing a better job than Hulst. Totoki for CEO! 😎

@REALAIS They didnt create it, the game was already in development when they got involved.

But i get what ure saying. I think they just really were afraid to try live service first for themselves and use their own IP.

The article mentions that the main problem was its price point in an overcrowded market. But atleast half of the videos on it at the time were about it being “too woke”. So i’d say that was a main point as well. Considering its not even that bad a game, thats a bit depressing. I may not have been thrilled by all character designs, but I still cant find any real big faults with it. But thats probably because i find all these hero shooters to have bland character design. Which is ironic, cause that is supposed to be very important in these types of games, so people say.

Atleast Totoki here is showing a bit of self reflection and being self critical. Hulst, where you at!?

@AshleighKinsella Whats the difference with cross gen games? Don't they count as “PS5” games? I don't get the argument that they don't take full advantage of the PS5. And something like Astro Bot does for example? Or Dave the diver? Starfield? Because they are current gen? I’d argue, whether a game takes full advantage of a system, is not dependant on cross gen or not. Its just how devs designed the game. There are many current gen games out there that dont “take full advantage of a system”

This isn't necessarily directed towards you. Im just curious cause i always hear things about cross gen games in an almost derogatory way, or that it doesn't count as real PS5 games. Therefore this gen doesn't have games, they say. I see people saying their PS5 is collecting dust. With games like FF rebirth and Astro bot that came out this year. And so many other games. Either some people are very picky gamers, or some just have very dusty homes.

Thats really impressive! I havent played this series yet. Hmm, really tempted to sell my PS5 and get a Pro

@DennisReynolds Exactly! Guerilla Games really are a bunch of tech wizards.

This really looks impressive. Honestly cant believe how good PSSR can be in the right hands. The fact that its already overtaken FSR, which has been around longer, is pretty amazing.

Whats even more amazing, is that what Guerilla is using, is even more impressive!

@Banjo- Thats great! But i was referring to the earlier comment and how he was told not to say things like what was posted there. About saying it doesnt sound like a particulary good idea to him, cause he thinks the audience as a whole isnt really into these kinds of games. There’s some truth in different audiences having different tastes. But again, as far as his comment goes. It hardly comes across as some console warfaring post. At PX they let much more severe things slide, in that regard. Thats all im saying.

But im glad if Death Stranding will do good on Xbox, hope people will enjoy it 👍🏼

@LiamCroft @get2sammyb I wasnt really discussing moderation, just commenting on ur post. Didn't know that was considered a moderation, since his comment didn't get removed. But oh well, you’re the boss.

But seriously, if you have the time you should check out the comment section at PX.

Its an article asking how hyped people are for Stalker 2. And the first post starts like this:

“The only ones not absolutely hyped for this game are Sony Fanboys. They will absolutely review bomb the game anywhere they can... because they don't care about what the developers went through to get this game out to the public...they only care that it's not available on their PlayStations”

No moderation at all it seems over there on PX, thats why i mentioned your “moderation” felt a bit severe

Edit: Don't wanna leave things on a negative note. So i just want to say, i appreciate all the work you do. I can imagine its tough running and maintaining a site like this. Keep up the good work! 😎

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare This makes much more sense rather than Sony just giving it away.

@themightyant I agree, well explained!

@Cerny I do agree. Sony come on with a showcase already! Geez

This show dont tell method isnt really working for me. Now i understand them not wanting to show things too much ahead of time. But what happened to showing things like a year before. Maybe even a bit of a teaser for a game thats 2 years out. Something more than this atleast

@Vladspartan Geez, companies keep releasing smartphones that hardly offer much more than capable mid range phones. Yet people don't bat an eye when others go for high end phones. Or when they buy very expensive graphics cards, where the improvements are often just incremental. Which cost way more than these consoles. Just let people enjoy a better console if thats what they want.

@PloverNutter Yes thats true, Unreal Engine 5 is a troubled engine.

Very curious to see what the enhancements for Silent Hill 2 will be as well.

@PloverNutter This is what i find funny. When the PS5 came out, some people were bashing the low capabilities of its ray tracing. Now games are coming out with full on ray traced global illumination and the like. And people are complaining that it cant even do native 4K.

This people, is why a mid gen refresh is a nice addition to have. You cant expect a base console to last 7 or 8 years, while graphics get better for some games, and still expect it to run on native 4K

Let me be the first to say, PS5 Pro is unnecessary, not worth the cost and the differences are not noticable. Also, i hate everyone who buys this and oh yeah screw Sony. There, now you don't have to. 😌

Edit: Yes, its definitely sarcasm

@Athrum Lol! Well, its an unpatched game. And a very poorly optimized one at that. But if you think about it, a 15 frame increase on sections with 45 fps is a 33% increase. Which isn't all that bad if the Pro can do that for games which don't even have patches. This boost mode is just a little extra.

I do hope they enhance this title for the Pro though. It sure could use some of that PSSR magic.

For an unpatched game, 10-15 extra fps in some instances is pretty cool.

@BlaizeV The difference is in framerate

@BowsersBuddy Thanks man, appreciate it! I am thinking about selling my PS5 and buying one, but we’ll see.

@BowsersBuddy You’re right man! Maybe i read your comment too quickly and misunderstood the intent. I’ll go ahead and remove your tag on my previous post and make it a separate comment instead.

I’d say double the framerate and adding ray tracing isn't really marginal. But yeah maybe for most upgrading from a base PS5 would see less of an upgrade.

But you have to remember, that there are people who are upgrading from PS4 or PS4 Pro. Heck, people may even be buying a console for the first time. Theres a whole market out there besides existing PS5 owners.

For example, i just bought my first Iphone ever. And its the Iphone 16 Pro, a phone many say is hardly worth upgrading to because its only marginally better. But by saying that, they ignore the fact that you don't know which phones people are upgrading from.

@Ooccoo_Jr I respect ur opinion and its a legitimate worry. But its not that im forgetting that point. I just dont think it will happen.

I think Sony themselves see this as a niche product that isn't intended to be sold to the masses, but only to a smaller group of enthousiasts. Having that past experience and seeing how much the PS4 Pro sold. They probably couldn't justify subsidizing this mid gen console, if they expect it to sell way less.

I think the next console, will be subsidized by them again. And although it will be subsidized, i do expect the next console to come in a bit higher in price than base PS5. Just cause of inflation. I know we would all like it, but consoles cant hover around the $500 mark forever.

Obviously this is all speculation. I agree with u and also hope PS6 wont go up in cost that much.

Im going to preemptively rant a bit. Before everyone comes here telling this is unnecessary. It is unnecessary. So are a lot of things.

The whole PC graphics cards space is based on incremental upgrades to get a little bit more out of ur games. Is upgrading to a RTX4080 to double your FPS and get a bit more ray tracing necessary?
Nope, but there is an audience for it. Sony is just catering for people on the console side. There is also an audience for the Pro, people who want that little bit of extra performance and graphical fidelity.

What people keep forgetting is, that this machine is not just about playing all those sweet titles that have come out these last years. Its rather to take u through the 2nd half of this gen. Without needing to compromise much in graphical settings, cause we know some games are going to get more graphically demanding.

So thats why Sony is giving this option. Cause 4 more years with just the equivalent of an RTX2070(base PS5)is a long time, this way Sony gives you the option to atleast be a bit future proofed.

Again, its just an option. Your base console will still do fine. Look at the PS4, which many argue is still doing great and in some cases not even worth upgrading.

Now before all the comments flood in about this being unnecessary, maybe let people decide for themselves what they want and stop b*tchin about other peoples decision. And thats from someone who didnt buy one.