LogicStrikesAgain

@RoomWithaMoose

Very surprised how many people here have justified the needless costs of online multiplayer with some ill-conceived pretense.

Most just seem to understand that subsidizing hardware comes with certain tradeofs. One of which is paying for online play. But most dont seem to be that bothered as its only $7 a month, and it comes with 3 games and many other perks.

Over a typical 7 year console generation, you may pay $499 for a PS5 and $560 total for PS+ Essential. Thats $1059, and that includes more than 250 games.

Now compare that to spending $1200 on a PC with no games included.

And let’s not forget, its not obligatory to have PS+ Essential, plenty people who dont play multiplayer games do perfectly fine without it.

So yeah, some tradeoffs are not ideal, but its what keeps consoles affordable in the first place. We cant have affordable hardware and free services. That’s why the next Xbox is rumoured to be much more expensive

If they can subsidize the next console, and keep the price around $599-$699, then it’s fine for me. I don't wanna pay $1200 for a console, even if online is free.

Its like what, $7 a month for PS+ Essential? When you take into account the 3 games and other perks you get, it’s like you’re not paying for online at all.

But if Xbox does away with paid online for their next console, then Sony will at least have to consider doing it as well in my opinion.

Like a free tier, where you only get online access, but not all the other perks you get with Essential. All the other tiers would stay the same

@Striker21

There’s no solid evidence that a truly GOTY-level AAA single-player game requires 6-7 years of development. Claiming that Naughty Dog absolutely needs 6-7 years to make a good game lacks any factual backing.

I wasn’t claiming that. You were the one suggesting they should have had a game released by now. What i said was i’d rather see them take 6-7 years rather than rush something out every 4-5 years. Didnt know i had to back up a personal opinion with evidence lol.

Naughty Dog's next major project after releasing The Last of Us Part 2 was intended to be Fractions, an online live-service game set in The Last of Us universe, which was ultimately canceled. If

Thank you, i am well aware of what happened. And as i said, creative endeavours dont always pan out, thats just part of game development. Many games get cancelled behind the scenes all the time. You learn from it, pivot and move on.

Naughty Dog had plenty of time to develop and release its next game between 2020 and 2025, but they squandered it on a failed online game that ended up being canceled, causing delays and disrupting their release lineup.

You keep going back to what could have been, but its no guarantee that the Last of Us 3 would have released by now even if Factions never existed. Evidence? Factual backing?

You also leave out the part where they developed and released a full remake of The Last of Us during that period. You can’t say they didnt do anything, even if you dont like what they did.

Regarding the GTA comparison, fair enough. But i did mention other studios having very long development cycles this generation, i think you know ND is far from the exception here. If you dont agree that quality games take time to develop, thats fine. We’ll probably just have agree to disagree, cause i feel like we are just going to keep repeating our arguments

@Striker21 Naught Dog isnt some basic studio though, they deliver some of the highest quality games. I’d much rather see them take 6-7 years and come out with another GOTY contender, in stead of rushing out games every 4-5 years.

You mention ND having 400 employees, but remember, they released The Last of Us 2 just 5 years ago, a full remake of The Last of Us 3 years ago, and even a whole new Grounded mode last year. Meanwhile, Rockstar has 2000 employees (5x larger than ND), and their last game released 7 years ago. Even with large teams and high budgets, quality takes time

@Striker21 Sure, but it has happened. People need to just accept that fact. Sometimes strategies just dont go according to plan, thats part of game development. Learn from it, pivot, and move on, is all they can do. Can’t go on endlessly with this coulda woulda shoulda.

Still stands that game development takes a lot of time nowadays, especially for a studio who consistently makes some of the best games.

And as I’ve pointed out in my previous post, it can even take up to 8+ years for a single game

@get2sammyb Isnt PS+ Premium like $2 more per month over Extra though? Its not like your only paying for the added monthly retro games. You also get acces to like a catalogue of 400 classic games, VR games, a movie library and Streaming up to 4k on multiple devices for only $2 more.

I understand what you’re saying though, but still, for $2 more, technically, even just getting 1 game is a lot. I mean, just the ability for streaming alone cost more than just 2 bucks right?

Having said that, i also still feel that 2 games added monthly should be the minimum

It would be awesome if this releases in 2026! Sony just needs to keep an eye out on GTA6’s release, and make sure their own titles dont release too close to it, especially if GTA gets delayed to later in the year.

Not saying it’s guaranteed, but if Intergalactic gets added to Saros, , Marathon, Marvel Tokon and Wolverine, in the 2026 lineup, that could be an incredible year for Playstation Studios

Before more people start saying the same thing, as usual. These are normal development times for new IP’s. Especially for games from Naughty Dog which creates worlds with far more depth and detail than most other studios.

People need to stop comparing development times to the PS3 and PS4 era, games take way more development time nowadays, especially if you’re making a quality game.

Remember this is the studio behind games like, The Last of Us, Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End and The Last of Us 2. All Game of the Year winners. This is not the next FIFA or Call of Duty.

This studio gets way too much flack for this, but it’s not just them. Rockstar has been working on GTA6 for over a decade now. Cyberpunk took about 8 years to develop. Same with Starfield. Elder Scrolls 6 was announced back in 2018! All renowned studios with huge budgets. That’s just the reality of AAA game development nowadays. Quality takes time.

And If people are upset that this might be ND’s only game this gen, then so be it. Let’s stop rushing studios in to releasing unfinished games. It’ll be ready when it’s ready. Suck it up, sh*t happens

@11001100110zero

Yes... lol. Yes, pc has notable games. GTFO, Battle bit, Black Mesa, Escape from Tarkov. Valorant, I believe. Team Fortress The back rooms, Void Crew, Garys Mods, Star Citizen. Dude the list is never ending.

I’m going to be honest with you, i genuinely dont know any of those games. Except for Star Citizen, but isn’t that still in beta or something?

Yes, i’m aware Steam has a huge library, but most of it is pretty niche, right?

If i have to go by that list, i’d say Playstations exclusives are far more notable than PC exclusives.

I’m talking generation defining games known industry wide, GOTY winners and contenders like God of War, Uncharted, Bloodborne, Astro Bot, The Last of Us, Gran Turismo, Spiderman, Killzone, Horizon, Death Stranding, Ghost of Yotei etc.

I just dont want to wait for years to be able to play their games, and that’s if they even get ported. Heck, GTA6 isnt even coming to PC anytime soon. And most of the notable games on PC have probably already been ported to Playstation. Idk man, it’s just not compelling to me. But hey, that’s just my opinion

@Th3solution Fair enough. I was genuinely just curious that some people might not be aware that streaming was already available for the Portal. But yeah it’s a welcome addition indeed. This device just keeps getting better

@HonestHick Personally, buying a $1200 console where i have to potentially wait 3 years to be able to play some Playstation games isnt something i’m interested in. That is, if Sony doesnt change its PC strategy all together by the time next Xbox arrives. I’m curious, does Steam even have notable games that arent available on Playstation? At least Playstation has exclusives though, even if some are for a timed period. Try playing Death Stranding 2 or Ghost of Yotei on PC right now. So a much more expensive box that can only play some Playstation games years after release is not compelling to me.

Also one of the reasons the top played games on console arent Sony’s exclusives, is because most of those top played are live services games. And most of Sony’s games are single player story games, games you usually only play through once

Many seem to be suddenly excited about the Portal. Im just wondering if some people might not have realized that you could already stream games to your Portal without a PS5? Or are people just genuinely excited that they’ll be able to purchase games directly from the store with the Portal? You could already play your own games with this using remote play, right?

This looks so good. I needed me some OG God of War vibes. Love this! I’ll be keepin an eye out on this one 👀

OG God of War vibes. I love it!

@Striker21 I see what you mean. I just don’t think the console crowd will go for a $1200 console, especially not the mainstream. That’s just too high of a price, catering to a niche demographic.

Also, Steam isn’t a selling point to sway PC players, because they already use Steam. And i’m sure the average PC player isnt going to want to switch back to a fixed hardware system, because thats the opposite of having a modular and upgradeable system like a PC, which is what the PC crowd wants.

Personally, i’m not quite sure Xbox will even integrate Steam in their next gen console. There’s just so many caveats to make that work properly, and frankly, it just sounds like a bad business plan in general. All game sales will go through Steam, effectively making it a Valve machine. Xbox wouldnt see any profits through game sales via Steam.

If they think they can capture the mainstream market with a $1200 machine, when they cant even capture it currently, they might be in for a rude awakening.

But you’re right, we’re just making educated guesses at this point. So if they do succeed next gen, i will be the first to say i was wrong

@Striker21 So apparently i did grasp it well, but like i said i just can’t see a $1200 console attracting the mainstream audience like you’re projecting. And especially not so much that it will cause a loss of third party support for Playstation. But hey, if ever that happens i’m sure Sony will make pivots accordingly

@Striker21

My argument is that Sony might lose third-party support if the next Xbox hybrid model manages to attract the mainstream audience through Steam and Game Pass

I just can’t get behind this hypothetical. I can’t imagine Playstation losing third party support. And i also can’t imagine Xbox gaining attracting the mainstream audience with a $1200 price point.

And even if i humour the hypothetical, i still genuinely dont understand what your point really is. Are you saying Sony should now preemptively go multiplat because of this hypothetical scenario that Xbox gains the mainstream audience so much that Playstation loses third party support?

@Striker21

Actually, if you carefully read my first comment

Honestly, it was hard to get past your “That’s an XBOX” advertisement your comment started with. But now that i’ve read it, i still dont really get what your point is tbh.

You have to understand that Sony’s profit model isn’t their exclusives, it’s people buying in their ecosystem. They don’t need to make their exclusives multiplat. Exclusives are just the incentive for people to come to their ecosystem, not their main profit model

@IntrepidWombat I’d have to disagree. While i agree that optimization might not be as big of a differentiator as in the past, exclusives still generally run much better than multiplatform games. Many multiplatform games have lots of issues and bugs, and make less use of things like the SSD and the Dual sense than Sony’s own exclusives, if they even make use of them at all.

Focusing on one platform will almost always lead to a more polished product conpared to scaterring focus on 5 different platforms (PS, PC, Xbox, Nintendo, mobile)

Also, when studios produce titles with the intent to showcase hardware, it tends to be a better product then when the main goal is to simply sell to the widest possible aidience.

So when i hear Sarah Bond saying exclusives are “antiquated” because Fortnite and Call of Duty are multiplat, i cringe. I’d rather have a God of War, Bloodborne, Mario or Zelda over those games anyday.

Now i’m not saying that all that exclusives are automatically better, but technically, they usually are. Just look at all the near instant loading times and fast travel in God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7, Death Stranding 2, Spiderman 2, Ratchet and Clank, Demon Souls, Horizon FW, Returnal, Astro Bot, Ghost of Yotei etc.

Most 3rd party publishers just cant optimize their games as deeply like that (understandably, since they are developing for so many different platforms)

We have proof of what Sony can do when they get complacent

Meanwhile Xbox consoles are the most expensive. And they announced $80 games. And a $30 monthly rent subscription. And planning a $1200 console.

Seriously, all these people saying that Sony might become complacent and raise prices if there is no competition seem to be totally ignoring what Microsoft is doing right now. Instead they want to preemptively judge Sony for something that hasnt even happened yet, it’s crazy

Also, am i the only one not on TikTok?! Very disappointing to hear how popular these apps are

Dont listen to these people saying Sony should give away their exclusives. That would be the dumbest thing for Sony to do now. Exclusives make up just a tiny percentage of their library. And the argument that some of Sony’s exclusives dont sell 20 million copies or something is irrelevant, because that is not their profit model. Exclusives are there as added incentive to get people into their eco system, where they make the real money.

People, like the Striker guy, just want Sony to give away their exclusives like Microsoft did. Because somehow he thinks that that is working out so well for microsoft.

People saying exclusives are antiquated dont understand that exlcusives make some of the best use of the hardware. And when studios focus purely on one platform they can make gems like God of War, Last of Us, Bloodborne, Uncharted, Astro Bot, Metal Gear Solid, Shadow of the Colossus, Halo, Gears of war, Forza Horizon, Mario, Zelda, etc

Some of the best games of all time were exclusives

@OldGamer999

Not all of them and also what about the big N.

That’s already possible on PC, with emulators.

But this console that houses all 3 companies is never going to exist. Who would make this console? What would be Nintendo’s incentive to give up its own platform for example? And if it were to exist, who do you propose would be the monopolistic owner of this company that housed all games? Nintendo? Sony?

Somehow i get the feeling that you think Microsoft would be a good fit 😉 tbf, they already know a lot about monopolies, having been found guilty of it in the past and all

@OldGamer999

To all those celebrating the fall of Xbox consoles.
It will hurt us in the end, when Sony can do even less for more money.

You mean like how currently Xbox consoles are the most expensive? And how they recently announced $80 games? And $30 monthly subscription tiers? And planning a $1200 console?

It’s always funny how some people warn us that Sony’s going to do all those things, when Xbox is doing it right now and no one seems to care. No, somehos Sony is the bad guy here, for something that might not even happen.

I’m all for hypotheticals, and while that might happen, i draw the line when people start preemptively judging Sony for something that hasnt happened yet. Right now its Xbox who’s giving less for more money, not the other way around.

People need to stop deflecting and judge companies on whats happenning now, not on what they imagine they might do some time in the future

@OldGamer999

One day you will get it.
One console all games.

You mean one console that plays Playstation and Xbox titles? That already exists, it’s called a PS5 👍🏼

Crazy times indeed! I know Microsoft already published multiple games on Playstation now, but by saying “Halo is on Playstation going forward”, it does feel like Microsoft has now truly embraced their future as a multiplatform publisher.

And i have to say, the way Halo studios is handling it, with the Playstation t shirt wearing and welcoming spirit and all, is way more courteous than how some fanbases act online

@OldGamer999 It’s all good hehe. I just wanted to show that, if talking purely 90+ meta scores, that this gen isn't lagging behind last gen as much as people might think. Just thought it was an interesting nuance on your comment of Sony not reaching the same scores as on ps4 thats all.

But i think i’ve derailed this comment section too much already, so lets get back to the Outer Worlds 2

@OldGamer999 I thought we were purely looking at meta scores, didnt know it had all these made up caveats lol

@OldGamer999

We are not getting the Sony with 92,94 and 95 scores are we nowadays

Sony AAA in house games used to be above the rest and more plentiful.
Apart from the amazing Astrobot in the last three years, they are not as good as the PS4

To be fair, if we’re going purely by games scored 90 or higher on meta. Sony in house studios only had 6 games the whole of last generation, and that includes 3 remasters. Namely:

• The Last of Us remastered 95
• God of War 94
• The Last of Us 2 95
• Journey remastered 92
• Flower remastered 91
• Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End 93

Sony currently already has 5 90+ games on Metacritic, namely:

• Astro Bot 94
• God of War Ragnarok 94
• Spider man 2 90
• Demon Souls 92
• The Last of Us part 2 remastered 90

And the current generation still has a few years left, with some big Sony AAA games still incoming like Saros, Wolverine, Marvel Tokon and Intergalactic. Not to mentioned titles that havent been announced yet.

This generation might even end up having more 90+ ratings on meta from Sony in house than last gen

@SMJ That actually sounds totally reasonable. I also believe streaming will be the future. And technology progresses so fast that within a few years that will be very doable. Nvidia is already streaming high end games in 4k at 60fps with low latency. It just needs to mature a bit more so it can be done on a larger scale for the masses with minimal waiting times (i believe Geforce Now still has long queue times on peak hours?)

But if they get those things right in the coming years, i do think the future will not be hardware bound.

That’s also why i keep saying that Sony needs to acquire more IP’s and franchises (studios/publishers), because the company thats comes out on top in the future streaming wars is the one with the most enticing content and franchises

@SMJ

Music, books and films don't tie you down to one place to listen, read or watch.
The way the games industry works is antiquated.

This quote makes me think you meant something else initially.

But fair enough, if you mean that gaming companies should just be seperate apps available on a single device with their own storefront (a point you’ve made before), i actually think thats valid and i do agree.

However, i dont think were quite there yet. We still need hardware to run games on locally. So this is something i do see happening, but i think streaming needs to mature more before that can take off.

When that happens i can see hardware phasing out and these gaming companies just be apps on a tv, like how current movie streaming works.

Until that point, i dont see that happening.

And going back to exclusives, even if their storefronts are on the same device, companies would still make exclusives to entice people to subscribe to their platform, so that really wouldnt change

Damn, that would be huge. It’s basically Xbox’s flagship IP. While this probably surprises no one, as its almost inevitable at this point, it still crazy to imagine Halo on Playstation.

That said, while i respect it as a classic, I am personally not interested. I have played maybe an hour back when it launched. Not saying its a bad game at all, i bet it’s great, but its just not for me, so i will not be picking this up.
But im happy for the people who are excited to see this happen

@SMJ I dont think you got the point, tbh. The person is saying that it doesn’t really work like that, companies offering these services fragment all types of media, so why should gaming be any different?

Sure, ideally everything would be in one place for things like movies, games etc. But that would create monopolies and kill competition. If every streaming service had access to the same shows, there would only be one left in the end.

For example, which company do you think should own this monopoly streaming service where all films and tv shows are available?

And with games, If Playstation and Xbox literally had identical liberaries, there would be nothing to differentiate the two anymore. Whether people like it or not, exclusives are still a solid way to attract people to a platform.

Its not like exclusives make up a huge part of the library anyway, around 95% of the games on PlayStation are multiplat. So it’s not like players are missing out a ton of games.

Also, going multiplat hasnt helped Xbox in selling consoles, so why should Sony follow their lead? Obviously Sony wants to keep people in their own ecosystem

Let me guess Sarah, Playstations strategy is antiquated, but Xbox’s strategy is the way forward?

I’ve said it many times on here: There’s nothing wrong with exclusivity, it’s a solid strategy used by many companies or services to entice you to buy their products, Netflix Originals anyone?

There are thousands of multiplat games on Playstation and just a few exclusives. We’re talking single digit percentages here.

This is just a lame cringe attempt at getting the masses to coerce Sony into going multiplat just like Xbox did, and also hinting that the future of Xbox is probably fully multiplat on Day 1.

Instead of dragging other companies down to your “winning” strategy, how about you guys just focus on your own business 😉

@ButterySmooth30FPS Hear hear! I’d even go as far as saying i even like this generation better than last gen. Not in terms of games maybe, but definitely in terms of things like loading times etc. Frankly i hated how slow everything was last gen. This gen is awesome!

@UltimateOtaku91 Ah, i did read it wrong, thanks for clarifying! That makes sense. I wonder what the attachment rate in the rest of the world is

Wait, does that mean over 4 million PS Portals have been sold? Or am i reading this wrong? Cause that’s actually a lot!

Still planning on getting one

This just doesnt sounds like its going to attract a huge market.

At $1200 its going to be way too expensive for the console crowd. And i dont think the PC crowd is going to care aboit it either. Why would a PC gamer want to go to a locked hardware system when they can build a more versatile system? And having access to Steam on it isnt going to convince them either, thats not a selling point, PC users already use Steam, so why would they need this? Thats like saying it comes with USB ports.

And the weird thing is, even if, somehow, Microsoft sold a lot of these consoles, most of the games sold on it would go through Steam, so Valve would be the one profiting, not Microsoft. Im seriously confused what their strategy is here. I dont jnderstand who this is for.

I just think they want something, a device, to at least be able to say they’re still in the market. They want to maintain presence. Like how Surface is there as a reference product, but not as a mass bestseller.

But if this really is going to launch for $1200, its going to be a very niche product, and i cant imagine Microsoft making exclusives around such a small userbase. So i assume Microsoft will be fully multiplat Day 1 by next gen. And if the PS6 launches around $600, with exclusives and Xbox titles, than why would anyone choose this?

Sure, the hardware might be impressive, but its just going to be too niche to be relevant for most people. Honestly, this kind of signals to me that they’ve moved on, I really dont think they care about selling consoles anymore

Someone mentioned Heihachi. I still have ptsd from him as a final boss lol.

I remember playing Tekken 1 as a kid, and i was trying to unlock all characters. It took me a few hours (i was very young) I was almost done, had like 1 left, and i had never come so far before, but i wanted to play outside.

Only thing was, i didnt have a memory card yet, so i left the Playstation on while i played outside.

But when i got back home, my dad had already turned the console off, and all my progress was gone 😭😅

I for one do think they should go with more power. Why not keep improving? It’s not like this is the point where we stop improving graphics?

In terms of coming up with something new, does he mean hardware? In that case, they are rumoured to release a handheld right? That’s already something, i dont think they need to come up with other gimmicky hardware stuff.

Next gen just needs to innovate with games. And if they invest in things like hardware ML, which they seem to be doing heavily for next gen consoles, i think that might potentially be game changing.

Next gen might be 4k (upscaled) path tracing with innovative NPC AI behaviour and new gameplay mechanics. And thats something i’d be more interested in, instead of new hardware gimmicks

How insightful, if she said this years ago. Basically this is what half of us have been saying for years.

Personally i’d want them to expand Team Asobi with another team so that they can make more games more frequently. They also have Media Molecule. And maybe they could create or acquire another smaller but established studio (perhaps a studio like Supergiant Games) so that they have 3 studios developing smaller AA games.

Edit: I forgot they also have TeamLFG now, which potentially has its focus on smaller AA games as well

For people saying PS+ Premium is crap.

Not only does Premium offer the classic catalouge of 400+ games and monthly classic titles added, it also offers 4K streaming on console/handheld and PC and a Sony Pictures movie library.

That’s actually quite the offering for just $2 more a month over Extra

Thought it already was on PC as well, thats kinda crazy that it isnt yet. Anyway, smart (and long overdue) decision 👍🏼

This might be a bit of a ramble, but this is how i see this generation.

I find it funny how many judge this generation purely on first party output. I only have a Playstation, so when i evaluate this generations output, i count all games, whether thats first or third party. I respect peoples view, i just cant relate.

It’s weird to me hearing people hate this generation, solely because of Sony’s output. As if no one plays games from other publishers anymore. And some even go as far as ignoring exclusives like Stellar Blade, Death Stranding 2, Sword of the Sea and even Returnal because “they aren’t true first party games”. And dont get me started about how people all of a sudden dont “count” sequels, even high rated ones like God of War Ragnarok (94), Gran Turismo 7 (87), Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart (88) and Horzion Forbidden West (89) So many good games exist this gen, but get brushed off by arbitrary technicalities.

It’s like, in some peoples minds, Sony’s output is the standard this gen is supposed to be judged on and the entire failure or succes of this generation rests solely on Sony’s internal studios. Which just doesnt reflect how people actually play games.

This generation has had some incredible games so far like Baldurs Gate, Elden Ring, Astro Bot, Metaphor Refantazio, Clair Obscur, Disco Elysium, Split Fiction, It Takes Two, and Dave the Diver (love that game!) and we’re still gonna get games like Wolverine, Intergalactic and GTA6 (and probably many more surprise titles). Every year has so many great games releasing, that i have a perpetual backlog.

I guess if you have multiple platforms, i kinda understand the point. And maybe i’m just in the minority who only went with Playstation this gen (i did have an Xbox all previous generations since the OG Xbox)

Whats even weirder to me, is that some people hate on this generation because they dont count cross gen games, or something like that. Personally, i think the generation started strong. But others say it didnt even start until games were PS5 only.

Like, if God of War Ragnarok had been PS5 exclusive, it would “count”, but because it was also on PS4, somehow it doesnt. I dont know, maybe im just weird about all of it, i just cant really relate or understand the reasoning behind some of the things i often read here (i respect everyones opinion though)

I have a feeling many will be talking differently in 2-3 years. Imagine playing next gen Spiderman in 720p and barely hitting 30fps on a PS5, that’ll be a blast 🤔

A new console always gets me excited. I usually end up buying one in the second year or so.

But for the people who judge this gen purely on first party output, no need to worry, it doesnt end when the PS6 releases. There will be a long cross gen period up to 3 years, so you’ll all be able to still play some of those first party next gen games on your PS5

@Propaperpusher Funnily enough, while Infamous: Second Son is named as it is, it’s actually the third mainline game in the series

Infamous 4 by Sucker Punch next pls!

And maybe Sony can outsource a Sly Cooper sequel.

I personally dont need any remasters of these franchises

@Exerion76 Thats unfortunately not how things work though. Products cant always be priced based on what people can afford. That wouldnt be sustainable.

If the cost of components rise due to inflation, and products get more expensive to make, then prices will need to follow, regardless if some peoples wages have kept up.
Businessess still need to cover costs and maintain a profit margin. It’s not a charity.

If inflation affects every other product, like phones, GPu’s and other tech, its only natural that console would be affected to, it’s not like their immune.

Funny thing is though, console prices havent even increased as much as many other products over the last decades. Consoles have always been priced close to cost. And as @Tintin said, the price of the PS5 has been totally in line with inflation, and maybe even slightly better, which i think isnt appreciated enough

@Titntin I agree. It’s like a taboo to mention inflation in the console space. Everyone constantly complains about how everything else has gotten so expensive. But somehow consoles and games aren’t supposed to be affected by inflation.

I guess i sometimes forget that a huge part of the gaming industry is very young, and that probably plays a part in the uninformed takes i so often come across