LogicStrikesAgain

I'd advise Sony to release it end of 2028, let this gen have a bit more breathing room. Even if Xbox comes out in 2026, that wont be a true next gen experience, because it would come to soon. The specs available right now wouldnt make the difference that much bigger compared to the PS5 Pro(unless its very expensive).

If they're smart they should probably incorporate some sort of modularity in the console.

Maybe they could release with three tiers:

• The Standard base tier could be around RTX 5090 equivalent, but a bit underclocked, with AI and machine learning, DLSS4+ equivalent, AmD Zen 6 10 core CPU, 16GB ddr6 and 1TB gen 5 ssd for $599(assuming the 5090 has lowered in price by then, around mid range by end of 2028)
• Plus or Enthousiast tier could have the same as the Base, but with a fully clocked RTX5090, slight overclocked CPU with 12 cores instead of 10, 24GB ddr6 and 2TB instead of 1 for $699
• PS6 Pro could have the same as 2nd tier, but with a RTX 5090Ti or higher equivalent GPu, CPU with 16 cores, 32GB ddr6 and 2TB but Gen 6 ssd speeds for $799

This way they can target different price demographics.
Hehe, im just dreaming i know. But i like thinking about how Sony could strategize their moves

@BTC4FET I know, didnt mean to single you out or anything. You just happened to be the last to say it. But ive seen many saying it. So i just wanted to adress it. I know its a bit off topic, but everybody keeps mentioning it so yeah..

@NEStalgia I know, it is a red herring. I am aware you can buy prebuild.

But i keep seeing people mentioning "building a pc is so easy". So i wanted to adress it, thats why i replied to the person i replied to. He is 1 of many saying that. That argument is obviously partly meant to convince people. Im just saying its not gonna work, because not everyones interested in building their PC, doesnt matter how "easy" people make it out to be.

@BTC4FET I see a lot of people saying "Its not even hard to build your own PC". I think they're missing the point. Casual gamers just arent interested in building their own gaming machine.

Its not 'hard' to do some DIY tasks like installing flooring or painting, but a lot of people still choose to hire people to do it out of convenience and saving time.

You can build your own surround sound speaker system by chosing all the components and putting it together, but many people arent interested and find it far simpler to buy prebuild.

Telling someone its so easy to build your own PC is not gonna convince anyone who isnt interested in doing that. Its the same reason people spend money for contracters and prebuild sound systems.

It doesnt matter how easy it is. Spending 6 hours or more building a PC, including researching components and troubleshooting, especially when youre a beginner is not easier than buying a console that works out of the box.

Just wanted to give some points on why people might favor console over PC, havent read all the posts so theres probably going to be a lot of overlap.

• PS exclusives. Not all exclusives come to PC and if they do, it could be years later.
• Better suited for living room play and big screen gaming, also couch co op, not everyone wants to be tied to a desk when gaming.
• Ease of use, just plug and play. No time spent building or upgrading parts.
• Lower cost of purchase
• Longer life cycle, a console will be supported for atleast a generation of around 7 years.
• Games are usually made for console, so games will typically work well on console, because they are tailor made for them. PC however, with its userbase having a large variety of components will not always run well. Stutterfest, shader compilation, anyone?
• No need for tweaking settings, all games work the same on console. Games are often also made to make full advantage of the PS5 hardware. On PC because of teh varied components people have, a game is probably not tailored to your system.
• Physical media. Having the ability to resell your games if yoy want. I dont know, do some PC games still have physical copies? I think their all digital now, right?
• Stable OS. Because of the versatility of PC, you also have more chance of things like malware, viruses or crashes.
• Drivers, mods etc. might be easy for people who are good with tech, but for the average casual gamer isnt something they want to be bothered with.
• Some games arent compatibile or run worse with certain hardware(like some games preferring nvidia or amd gpus for some features), or require additional firmware or driver updates.
• Also, as previously alluded to by a poster. Upgrading parts to your PC sometimes means you will have to upgrade more than those parts. Like upgrading a CPu or GPU, might mean your motherboard or power supply might need upgrading too. Not to mention incompatibility or creating bottlenecks between hardware, if you dont know what you're doing.

Im definitely not against PC btw, i have gamed on PC before and might be a PC gamer again in the future. I just wanted to clarify that there are still lots of reasons for people to favor console. Yes, PC is much easier than before, but its a bit disingenuous to say its as easy as console.

Good to hear! Go Astro

Sounds promising!

As usual, a lot of people drawing immediate conclusions lol

@IOI I dont think the hype is gone at all

@Ainu20 Well its just the retail numbers of one country, not including digital apparently. But yeah, you're right about the rest

@ShogunRok It might be that more people chose to buy this digital than other titles in the past. But i can see the wider appeal argument being true

I would be very interested in a wireless PSVR2, but i'd like them to show some more support for the platform first

I'm guessing most people buy digital nowadays? Or else its not looking good for Astro Bot in Japan, which would be a shame

@Vaako007 Exactly!

@Zeke68 But when so many analysists telling us its largely due to inflation and rising component pricing. And we can see it for ourself, for example in other hardware which have prices that have gone through the roof. Consoles arent created in a bubble, they are dependent on component pricing.

And we can verify by trying to build our own PC with equivalent specs that its not possible to create that for the same price. So why do people keep insisting its because of Sony nickle and diming us?

Look im not saying we should accept everything from greedy companies, but having some business logic it makes sense to have a profit margin. Not every console, especially something niche like this can be sold at a loss or break even. Cause its not meant to sell in large volumes so that strategy isnt a very suitable approach for this

It will only run at 60fps if they designed the game from the ground up to run at 60fps, which they probably didnt. I'm guessing its a 30fps game

I dont get why people get so upset over Sony releasing better hardware. Do they also get upset by Apple releasing Pro versions of their phones? People just buy the regular phones and move on. Why get mad at someone for buying the Iphone Pro Max? And why get mad at Apple for releasing it?

@MightElf-69 You think selling the the Pro at a loss is a good strategy? Strategies like that are most suited when you expect to sell large volumes

@HonestHick Fair points!

I'd say let the games do the talking.

@tselliot
Actually, analysts are saying the reasons are because of rising component prices and inflation. Lack of competition is only one of many factors

"Support as many platforms as you can not wish them to not exist cause of the logo on the box is what we should be passing on to the younger kids."

@HonestHick I'd say we should pass on, let the most creative company succeed in a creative industry. Not the company who isnt creative, but rich

@XenonKnight Do you think both of those technologies will be ready for a console by that time?

@HonestHick Wait, are you saying people are blaming Xbox for Sony pricing the PS5 Pro the way it did?

@XenonKnight Ikr, as if its Sony's fault they dont have a competitor for the PS5 Pro.

Also have to agree with many posters before, people ignoring allllll the other reasons given and only focusing on the lack of competition factor.

Ideally $549, max $649 for me
I'll just wait for a deal, cause im still interested.

Dont really care about the stand and disc drive

@CyborgToaster Oh yes most definitely, here are a few quotes of the average console consumerbase lately:

"We want new IPs"
"Why dont they experiment more"
Gets new IP
"This is terrible"
"This is too woke for my sensibilities"
"Too much diversity"

"We are tired of sequels"
Proceeds to ask
"Wheres the next Killzone?"
"Gimme Resistance 4"
"Bring back Sly Cooper"

"Astrobot, more like MarioCopybot"

"No more remakes"

"Make single player narrative games"
Followed by
"Boring, this is a movie"
"Sad dad sim"

"Why do games take so long to develop"
When games get released early:
"Why is it full of bugs, refund!"

"Why sony close Japan studio?"
Meanwhile nobody bought those games

"The Pro is useless"

"We want more power, PS5 cant handle some games"
Gives option through PS5 pro
"No, too expensive"

"Oh, they made that character gay? Lets boycot the game"

"Lets harass this voice actress because we dont like something in the game"

"I dont want to sign up on PSN to play this game, even though every other publisher asks the same, meh!"

These are just some from the top of my head.

Ofcourse i'm paraphrasing, but you guys get the drift

Oh there you go, i figured it out by accident lol

@Arkz The emphasis was meant to be on 'some' but i dont know how to write words in cursive or bold.
So what I meant was not just some games, but the biggest games of all time.

I wasnt talking about 60fps, i dont think GTA6 will do 60fps on the Pro, it will have other enhancements though

@Danero You do realize they have a state of play coming up? Maybe they're saving the games to be shown then

@dreadpirateflappy Original

@Arkz Not just some games, GTA 6, Death Stranding 2, Ghost of Tsushima 2, next Uncharted, Bloodborne 2 and whatever else theyre going to announce in the state of play next week hehe

Yes, i think 10+ million is doable

I'm excited to see all the Digital foundry analysis on these games.

GT7 with ray tracing, heck yeah!!

I did actually miss it at first. Having 2TB is nice.

But i'd be fine personally with 1TB and a lower price

However, that would probably still create backlash for having too little storage

Thats good news for the PSVR2 owners

@CrashBandicoat You say Sony is increasing prices because of greed and monopoly. But at the same time Xbox doing the same isnt greed according to you?

Im seeing your points, but dont you factor in rising component prices at all? Where does inflation come in?

The reason it comes across a bit biased is that you're solely blaming Sony for all of it. Im assuming u follow other trends in gaming like component pricing. Does that factor in to your analysis of their pricing?

In terms of your fear, yes, it might be that without enough competition prices can get higher.
But its not as if Sony can do whatever they want. Pricing too high will loose them market share or create opportunity for other companies to steal market share.

Pricing will always be influenced by many factors.

Saying its all down to Sony being this greedy monopolistic entity, that is now doing whatever they want, is far too simplistic. It doesnt work like that. There will be consequences if they make mistakes with pricing

@jrt87 Oops, my bad! Lol! Fixed it

@PsBoxSwitchOwner I understand now, actually never really thought about it. Interesting to know though, funny how ive never realized that, makes total sense

@GreatAuk Ok, well I and many others probably havent taken the time to ponder about it as much as you. Maybe have that in mind before you call people 12 year olds

@CrashBandicoat You do realize Xbox is releasing the same Xbox series X but without disc drive for $600 later this year right? Thats a price increase

@GreatAuk I guess in Europe we're just so used to having the price of Vat tax included, that it seems weird when we see it without.

Also, its weird, why not incorporate it in the price. So inconvenient

@danzoEX I'm guessing theyre also facing the same issues with rising component prices due to inflation. I hope theyll be able to overcome these challenges, though it seems none of the other hardware manufacturers have so far. Last-gen release prices for consoles, like the Switch, dont guarantee future pricing

@PsBoxSwitchOwner Yes! Just yes.

People asking for better FPS and graphics than the PS5, but get shocked if costs more than the PS5. People expect everything they buy to get more expensive, except for consoles for some reason

Having said that, they could take the extra TB and lower the price with 50 or 100 and i'd be happy

I love how most people werent interested in buying a PS5 Pro up until yesterday and found it useless and unnecessary. Now all of a sudden they get mad cause they cant afford it lol

@Tecinthebrain made a good point in another article about why didnt they just go for the 1TB and lower price?

I think its a fair price, but still too expensive, does that make sense? Im still interested tho, but will wait..

@danzoEX Are u that sure the next Switch isnt going to be too expensive as well?

@Tecinthebrain Damn, thats a good point! Thats a fumble right there

@NEStalgia I can get behind your reasoning. Its solid. Although i think people dont always realize that with pc, you still have to upgrade about every 4 years as well, which correlates with the consoles mid cycles

Like if you bought a PC with a rtx2070 at the same time the PS5 came out in 2020. You would probably be looking for a new card right about now as well.

I agree with ur points. But some of it is assuming people already bought a PS5. If not, you have the option for a $699 console or a equivalent PC but 2 or 300 dollars more expensive. Which will also need upgrading in 4 years btw.

I think the real hardcore enthousiast dsnt bother with the PS5 Pro, they buy gfx cards for $1500. Thats a whole different market

@OldGamer999 I do agree that its better to have Xbox for the competition tho... But i dont see them doing so much better frankly.

Although i think a lot of this pricing issues dont have that much to do with greed per se.
Its just inflation and ever increasing prices of processors and gpus. As said before by someone, we will probably not see the deflationary prices in consoles again like before.

Just look at high end smartphone prices, they used to be like 8 or 900 some years ago for the top phones. Now the Iphone 16 Pro Max is gonna cost almost $1500

@Mustoe You're telling me $1000 for a similar specced PC is better value than a $700 console with the same specs?

Well, it might be, but i think the ease of use will always be a plus for some people

I think people who throw in the fanboy card, are usually themselves fanboys btw

I thought we were having a discussion about worth, im bringing up points that dont have anything to do with being a fanboy. Im looking for a pc with those specs for $699 and i cant find it...

@OldGamer999 Xbox recently announced the same series X, but with 2TB and without disc drive for $600. Great deal? I think ur idea of Xbox saving the day in Europe might be a bit overblown

@Mustoe Really tho? The Pro has an equivalent card of around rtx4070 level. Youre saying for a few hundred dollars more you'll get what a 4080 or 4090? I mean, doesnt the 4090 cost like $1500 by itself?

And also, when comparing with building a PC, dont factor in the disc drive, cause thats not something u would get when u build a PC.

And btw, ofcourse u can get better specs if you spend more money. But how does that fit the argument that the PS5 Pro is too expensive? U can spend 2000+ and have better graphics than the Pro, thats true, but that still makes the Pro better value for that price point with those specs