LogicStrikesAgain

I'd suggest people go and try building a PC for that price and see how reasonable that price is. I was hoping for a cheaper price as well.

But honestly, if you think this is too expensive, im very curious. With which products do you compare it with?
Cause a similar specced PC will cost more, also the "new" xbox series X coming later this year, which is also digital, is gonna be $600.

In that light, if not $700, how much do you think it should cost?

@Jaz007 I agree, the price is a bit steep. But try building a PC with the same specs. Not gonna happen.
People want Sony to sell it at a loss, which is totally in line with how childishy demanding the consumer base have become. Again, if you can build it yourself, do it. If not, then realize that even though its a steep price, its the best deal your gonna get for those specs

@Dodoo People seem to be sure the next Switch isnt going to be expensive as well

@Friendly Xbox introduced at the start of this generation? Didnt the PS4 Pro also have 'Game Boost'?

@Octaslasher You can play all regular PS5 games on the Pro and some games, like the ones shown, will be enhanced to take advantage of the new hardware

@FuzzieGinge88 Well you could turn it around and ask, why should people that play digital (which are the majority it seems) pay for a disc drive? Discless seems to be the main hardware now pushed just about everywhere, PC, Xbox etc.

You can see it as the standard price for a full PS5 Pro with disc is $780. I dont think ure being ripped off, digital has always been less expensive than with the disc drive.

Not necessarily saying im happy with the price btw

@Vaako007 I agree with this sentiment, trust me i was hoping for a lower price as well, but still have to agree its still a fair price point all things considered.

Also agreeing with @DaniPoo you cant find the same performance on PC for the same price

People being a bit unreasonable or ignorant

We have to remember Xbox is releasing their "new" console for $599 later this year. So it was impossible for Sony to price it the same.

Come to think of it, if this was done intentionally by Xbox to price their console so high, than thats a genius move

I guess they couldnt have released it for $599 seeing as the "new xbox series X" in december goes for that price and the rtx4070 equivalent card costing $599 already, so $699 seems reasonable. Im still interested but will definitely wait now..

@Discol76 I reckon most developers use all the power they have of the Playstation already. Everybody just waiting for better games using the FULL power. Do you think they secretly and purposely left some power on the table when creating Spiderman 2 and Astrobot. Something like they couldve easily added things like Ray traced GI, but they chose not to do it just to F with us?

Someone explain to me what more power you're looking for them to get out of the PS5.
It has a rtx 2070 level gfx card. This is about it in terms of what were gonna get and frankly it pretty much surpasses what i thought would be possible with that type of card.

Just the fact that were having ray traced GI with this fidelity on console games is something i would have never expected to have on this gen consoles when they first announced ray tracing technology

@Voltan Lol!

"Well, you know, thats life!" Haha Damn

@DennisReynolds Exactly! And its actually even the last 6 games they published, you forgot Spiderman 2
They stopped doing cross gen a year ago (save for some multiplatform games like MLB).
Also a lot of 3rd party studios releasing current gen only games nowadays. FF16 was current gen like a year and a half ago

@tangyzesty Whats with all this talk about full potential being reached? I really dont get it.

Has the Iphone 15 Pro Max full potential been reached? Cause they just announced the Iphone 16 Pro
Why does any product have to reach full potential. Just dont buy it if its not for you

You guys know that the base PS5 will still be the main supported console right? Its not like youre not getting any more use out of your base PS5 when this comes it. It will reach its full potential dont worry

@x3King84 Really tho? I find the yearly smartphone market far more capitalistic than this. Have you seen the "improvements" yearly on these high end phones. And they are going for more than $1200 nowadays, which is a crazy amount if you think about it. In the console sector we're complaining about a $600 console, however in the PC world you could never(i think,no expert here) build a PC for that amount of money with the same specs as the PS5 Pro

Heck, if it does go for that amount, they might even be selling it with a loss. Seeing as an equivalent gfx card as the rtx4070 already goes for $599
Thats how "capitalist" they are

Btw, not saying Sony arent capitalists, just saying its also a business. And compared to other businesses they dont seem more capitalistic. In fact, some companies and industries, make the console industry look like bush league in the capitalist sense. Console and game prices hardly went up with inflation, unlike almost every other industry.

Every console generation people expect consoles to be around the $499 mark. As if any other product they buy has stayed at the same price level for that amount of years.

Again, not necessarily defending Sony and their prices. And definitely not defending capitalism

@NEStalgia I'd say gfx technology did increase a lot. And by the time next gen is announced(lets say around 2027), base PS5 will be woefully outdated. But long before that time games will have already been running poorly on it(as they are already starting to), similar to the end of ps360 era.
The rtx 6000series will already be out by that time, making the differences even greater.
Now atleast with the PS5 Pro we will be at around rtx4070 level instead of rtx2070 by that time.

Thought exercise: Imagine a year or two from now bigger games coming out, gta 6, unreal engine 5.3 games, next uncharted, bloodborne 2, ghost of tsushima 2 etc.

Now imagine theres no PS5 Pro and you have to play it on the base with blurry internal resolutions of under 1080p and frames in the mid 20s.

People would probably not be so forgiving right?

Thats where the Pro comes in. Sony just wants to avoid all the backlash of people complaining about all those future games running poorly on the base PS5

@NEStalgia Well i partly disagree, i think a console generation is too long to create one console with specs that can manage to produce games with great fidelity for that long. Considering graphics technology moves in a fast rate.
Unless people are willing to pay $1800 for a console, but im guessing that is a miniscule market

I agree with both console makers probably coming up with some kind of modular console, if theyre smart

Nah. Definitely $599 for the digital version. Hoping they can get it down to $549, but highly unlikely

@NEStalgia I mean, i get what youre saying with the fixed target. But i think its a bit unreasonable to assume that a console has to deliver the same quality or high FPS the whole generation long without sacrificing graphical fidelity big time, especially when the generation and engine technology improves and gets more demanding.

And its not constant upgrades as you put it, its just 1 in between every console generation

Also, some people prefer consoles for their ease of use (in response to the question, "why bother with consoles at all?"

@StylesT Yes, probably, but there are lots of people willing to be able to play at 60fps. Just look at the PC gaming community where people spend hundreds of dollars for 'a few' more frames.

Also, it might be, that with the Pro youre not upgrading to keep playing in 60fps.

With engines rapidly advancing, seeing how much unreal engine 5 requires for example, you might be upgrading to a Pro to be able to keep playing in 30fps. Where the base wouldnt even be able to reach 30fps in games soon, similar to how games ran in the PS360 era.

Sony knows the upcoming years games are gonna be even more demanding. Can you imagine not having a Pro for the next 4 years?

@StylesT The PS5 is capable of doing 60. Or did you mean that the PS5 should be able to do 60 in every game for the whole 8 year generation?

That would mean the whole generation long games would be developed only for being able to do 60 on an rtx 2070. Meaning there wouldnt be much graphical improvements in console gaming for a very long while

@Frmknst There are potentionally millions of people wanting to upgrade from their old PS4, why would the PS5 Pro be useless to them?

Maybe say its useless to you, theres a difference.

I have to agree with the 'uneventful' statement tho

@Medic_alert I get what youre saying, but compare it to any other hardware manufacturers. Apple, new phones every year, Nvidia new gpu cards every year. Why? Because technology is improving fast

Consoles only come once every 7 or 8 years. If it werent for these mid cycle enhanced consoles, consoles would be left behind so much in terms of technological improvements.

Also, what about people who havent bought a PS5 before, this give them more options.

I dont think sony really thinks their market for these enhanced consoles are current PS5 owners, but rather enthousiasts.

@nessisonett Yes, because years ago when development of the Pro started they already knew concord was going to flop... /s

Also, i really dont get when people say its not needed. Dont u follow graphical breakdown channels like Digital Foundry?
Games are already having resolutions as low as 720p. The PS5 is at rtx 2070 levels.

The PC community gets upgrades every year, as to where nvidia is probably already releasing their 5000series nxt year. I mean, is any if that 'needed'? Not really, its just technology improving. Do we need new iphones every year with small incremental improvements. No, but people still buy them for 1200 dolllars without even thinking about it.

PS5 Pro, needed its not, but do we want it? Hell yeah!

@rjejr
Square Enix PS exclusives the last 4 years:
FF7 Remake
Babylons Fall
Valkyrie Elysium
Forspoken
Final Fantasy 16
Foamstars
Final Fantasy Rebirth

Nintendo PS exclusives: 0

A lot of their characters are almost synonymous with playstation, and there are a lot of other 3rd party characters in the game, cause theyre likely celebrating the most iconic characters in the history of 30 years playstation both 1st and 3rd party.
Not to mention the long history of collaboration between the two companies.

Nintendo has never published a game on playstation therefore their characters dont have a history with playstation.
So your comparison with how people arent complaining about nintendo characters not being in there seems a bit silly

Btw, people are just wondering, its not a big deal