LogicStrikesAgain

Im gonna go with GTA6, Ghost of Yotei and Death Stranding 2. But there are a lot of interesting titles on that list. 2025 is looking real good for gaming. And im guessing Sony still has some titles coming out nxt year that they need to announce. We eating good y’all yum yum 🤤

Im interested in seeing more. My kids and I are enjoying Astro bot very much. I like this investment in more quality family games.

I thought it was good. I do agree with some of the points given above.

Bunch of crybabies. Like seriously sad. Im not even sure if these are real opinions, or just some bad agents trying to discredit Insomniac. It just seems too wild of an opinion. I mean, the most disappointing game in recent history? Because its not getting DLC? Wow.

How about maybe a part 3 might resolve some of those so called unresolved plot threads? Damn, consumers nowadays have some highly unreasonable standards

I do hope the Venom game goes through though!

I for one am actually ok that Sony didn't put the disc drive in the Pro as standard, cause that would've increased the price. And why should i pay more for something i don't want or need? The Pro still allows for a disc drive as an add-on, this way everyone can make their own choice.

Regarding some of the ownership arguments. Do people here also havent switched to digital music and movies? Just curious

@LowDefAl And this makes total sense to me. But im just a sucker for the convenience, i don't feel like i wanna go to a store and sell a game every time im done with it to buy a new one. Or online for that matter. But still, definitely a solid reason for wanting physical.
Don't get me wrong, i was a physical guy up to and including the early part of this gen. I guess i just gave in for the convenience of it all

I find it surprising how much people still prefer physical on this site, although it makes sense cause this is an enthousiast crowd.

I just buy my games digitally now, and to be honest. The small chance that i might not be able to play some of them in 20 yrs doesn't really bother me. To be fair, i hardly ever replay games

Maybe they just decided to put those planned DLCs into the planned Venom game, to make it more of a full fledged game. I really hope that Venom game does go through though

@fabio78 Same here, bought it day 1. Not one bug or glitch. Not exaggerating. Zero!

Also, reviews at the time and even Digital Foundry who did a tech analysis didn’t mention anything about heavy glitching or gamebreaking bugs as far as im aware.

Really don't get where people are getting this from. Platinumed it with zero glitch

@Octaslasher Honestly, saying Insomniac is getting worse and worse because fans have been yelling for DLC just sounds so ungrateful. Their output of games is almost unmatched. And their games are of high quality. Let them cook. And if those “fans” are upset. F em. Patience is a virtue

I really wish there would be more AA productions. Honestly these AAA games are so F-ing longgggg. Give me a 15 hr story, maybe even up to 20 max. Im even fine with just 10 hrs for a more indie or AA game. These 30+ hours are costing so much to make. Yes, they probably deliver more time value for money spent. But thinking how Metal Gear 2 was around 13 hours and thats one of my all time fav games.

I mean how long did it take to make Astro bot, like 2-3 years? That game is such a delight. Im betting it didn't cost that much to make as well, seeing as they did it in a small time period with a small team

@Nakatomi_Uk Why? Ofcourse they're going to make videos about it. It’s a new console. And it’s literally what they do.

@cali_kush70 Nah, was nothing offensive about ur earlier post at all. Wasn't upset or anything, i just like to call out inconsistencies when i see it sometimes. Guess its sometimes hard to get the intention behind written text so i might have misinterpreted ur comment, my bad. But i appreciate ur reply. Happy gaming!

Edit: Btw, i was going for a bit of biting but lighthearted sarcasm. But i can see it might've come across a bit more antagonizing lol. Wasnt my intention, so again my bad

@cali_kush70 You call the Pro ridiculous, that nobody asked for. Say Playstation needs single player exclusives, totally ignoring the 8! single player exclusives that came out this year alone.
You then go on about how great Xbox and amazing their features are and that “stellar” upcoming lineup. While totally ignoring the multiple critically acclaimed exclusive games Playstation has, again, this year alone. Not even talking the whole gen so far. U bring up live service and speak for all of us that we hate it, ignoring how big of a success Helldivers 2 is.
Then you say u’re not a console warrior, but u’re the one bringing up Xbox and how great it is, with a general tone of only negativity towards Playstation. Last gen didnt see the big exclusives coming out till the latter part of the gen, so dont worry we still have years to go in this gen.
But to balance things out you conclude by saying you’re a big Playstation fan. Lol, how transparant can you be. Dude, everyones welcome here, even if you lean more towards Xbox. No shame in that

@cali_kush70 Feeling a bit presumptuous today? Who made you spokesperson for the Playstation fanbase. Maybe just say you dont want one, that seems to match reality a bit better seeing as there are people that do want the Pro

@nessisonett Well its just facts. The technology in the PS3 made it possible to create bigger games with a larger scope, something that just wasn't possible in many cases in the previous generation because of technical limitations. Same goes for the PS4. I dont really know what the argument is here.

As for the other stuff, its basically what i said:
“You’re describing an ambition in better gameplay and creativity. That i agree with. But this is not something consoles will change. Its up to studios and developers.”

So yeah ure right, better gameplay and creativity is not tied to technology and hardware. Im just saying complaining about the Pro is a weird basis for arguing better gameplay. Hardware doesn't have anything to do with creative games.
The Pro is purely for making things run better and look better, theres a market for that. Obviously its not you

@SuntannedDuck2 Dude, you might wanna try condensing your comments.

Lol, just playin. Do whatever u want, I appreciate the thought u put into it, but damn those are some long multipart responses

@nessisonett You’re describing an ambition in better gameplay and creativity. That i agree with. But this is not something consoles will change. Its up to studios and developers.

You say games evolved in scope from PS3 to PS4. Of course games got bigger and better. Its because technology sucked before that.

And i’d like to argue that this generation of games do look better than the last generation. It might not have the biggest leap. But some of these next gen games look so much better than last generation. It’s not even comparable. Games having realistic ray traced lighting and reflection was a pipe dream in the last generation of consoles. Yes we’re in the zone of diminishing returns in terms of graphics, but thats only natural as we approach photorealism.

@nessisonett Those ‘meaningless and stupid ’ details is what fuels the global GPU card industry. I guess it does matter to some people. Just sayin

I don't get the issue. Are we gonna ignore FF7 Rebirth? Ratchet & Clank was already optimised very well, running 4K with ray tracing and all.
Obviously games that run worse are gonna see more improvement than games that already run well and look good

@nessisonett I’m a bit confused, what do you mean by PS4 level games? The example you gave is a PS5 game

You start by saying that you could argue that games are costlier to make than ever and if inflation is taken into consideration game prices are at a normal level. But then you condemn a practice which seems perfectly reasonable to me. Atleast i dont mind as much. People get something extra and get to play earlier, who cares. Other people wait years for a lower price before they play a game. Thats fine as well.

People already calling others stupid and undisciplined, smh

Im wondering, if people agree that cost of production had gone up. How should publishers fund or make their money back for the games they create. Without increasing price? Cause this seems like a reasonable way to me. Doesn't mean i would go for it btw

@Nem @UltimateOtaku91 already replied to you, just wanted to add that Concord wasn't fully owned and financed by Sony from the start. Sony bought Firewalk Studios in 2023 when the game was already 5 years in development. It was also partly financed by ProbablyMonsters, some kind of incubating studio/publisher of some sort.

If i remember correctly there are Playstation devs saying the $400m isn't true and if so, it probably includes the purchase cost of the studio

@8bitOG As the poster above already said, i think the Pro will definitely be relevant for longer than 2-3 years. Its not only for playing PS4 games. We have 4 more years in this gen, with lots of demanding games coming out.

Personally, i wouldn't get the disc version or the stand. So the comparison would be against the $699 Pro. Now i don't think (far from a expert here btw) you can build an equivalent rig for that price. So as of now, and that may change quickly, it seems like this is the cheapest price for that particular set of specs.
Now if you sell your current PS5. The amount you might be paying is around $399. Making the proposition even more attractive

Fair point about PS plus btw, i agree. But it is optional. And it gives you 36 free games a year and other things like discounts etc.

Im not a PC gamer, so i cant really say much about it. But from a console point of view i hear lots of complaints about games that aren't optimised well. Which makes sense, cause it would be hard to optimize games for such a diverse range of hardware. In the console space, games are optimized specifically for that hardware

Too bad Astro Bot couldnt take the lead in September, but 2nd and 4th place still a great achievement considering the competition releases mostly on all platforms.

Edit: Apparently also 2nd in Japan, nice

Curious to know how much its sold in total

@thebizniznizbiz Do you mean native 4K? Yeah games aren't going to run native 4K on the Pro. Neither do they on the PC, unless you have the highest GPU card. If its pure image quality, then in the video they say that in many instances it looks even better than fidelity mode.

Internal resolution isnt always a good measure for image quality now with these AI upscalers

@wildcat_kickz Fair enough. Then that may indeed entice people who've played it before. Didnt even realize it was such a game. This game never really appeared on my radar before this remaster

@wildcat_kickz I think he's refering to them revealing theres a new ending.

I agree though, probably best to avoid spoilers like that. Could have been a nice surprise for people who already played the original.

Havent read the article btw, so maybe it isnt that bad. Didnt read it, cause i havent played it before and i might get the game

@JokerBoy322 Why not? Sony overpricing a console and asking $1000, doesnt come without any consequences. Its not like they can just do that, without competitors undercutting them.

So you can worry no more, high chance thats not gonna happen

Edit: Was it really confirmed it would be $600 though? Maybe they saw the Xbox coming out this holiday for $600 and had to change their plans lol

Phew! Well good to see Sony can communicate swiftly to their audience. Hey Sony, how about communicating some more games

@NEStalgia Yeah, you make good points. Cant argue with that. I agree. For now its just unclear for me to see how the industry can pivot. I think there will always be a market for triple A console gaming.

But yeah, the gaming industry is just so saturated. I guess cloud and subscription services really are the way to go. Definitely invest more in AA titles. But theres always going to be a part of the fanbase thats gonna complain.

One things for sure, its gonna be very interesting to see these upcoming years which pivots and decisions will be made and how it might change the gaming industry.

@HonestHick Fair point! I must say, you actually somewhat convinced me on that topic. It makes sense. I guess Sony just really prefers keeping all IPs exclusive, because of it being their main strategy for making their console attractive to people. They probably think they cant really mess with it, even for live services titles. And to be fair, im not sure how people would react. Maybe they shouldnt mess with it.

@HonestHick I dont hope Xbox goes away at all. But you're comparing two different companies, with two different financial backing and two different ways of competing.
Sony's main way of competing have been the way of exclusivity. Xbox did it as well in the Xbox360 era. But Xbox seems to not be able to compete that way anymore. So now they're going the subscription way. Thats all fine. Sony's way is fine as well.

Its only natural that they said that prices will have to go up if they lose CoD. Why? Because their prices are subsidized, they make it back through software. Now if they thought they might lose a big chunk of that software then their fear is reasonable. Because thats their way of competing. Everyone wants Sony to compete like Microsoft, just because Microsoft cant compete like Sony. But why should Sony do that? Microsoft equally wouldnt care for Sony if the positions were reversed. And rightfully so, they're not a charity.

End of the day, i think Sony has more to worry about than Microsoft. Microsoft has shown that they are able and willing to buy big chunks of the gaming industry. And that is something Sony is unable to do. They simply cannot compete financially with a multi trillion dollar company.

And now people are even saying Sony needs to share their IPs, because its only fair to Microsoft, cause Sonys exclusivity strategy is so bad for Xbox. If Sony gives away their IPs now. Without their exclusivity strategy, how else could they compete with a trillion dollar company?

@JokerBoy322 If they do that, then they will also pave the way for some other company to create a cheaper console. And we'll all buy that one. See? No need to worry

@NEStalgia I agree with you, but not on the causation part. I'd say the Fed and the central banks printing money is the main cause of inflation. Now the specific situation of component pricing, in addition to inflation, is caused by resource depletion. But im no expert, so these are just my guesses.

Yes, with how our monetary system is set up. We are perpetually headed for economic crisis. That unfortunately, is also built in to the system. Btw, with stating that, im not saying i agree with it. Im merely saying that, that indeed is how our economic system works.

We have a economic system that is based on perpetual growth, which is decoupled from nature or social wellbeing. Unfortunately none of that even factors in the equation of how our monetary system works.

There may come a point where all the costs of production of creating a console or game isnt in line with average wages anymore. You might argue that were already there, as you are. Well business will need to pivot then. Or create new technology.

They can make cheaper consoles, as you might suggest, but those cheaper consoles will have specs that will not be suited for triple A gaming. And maybe we as consumers need to adjust. No more triple A maybe? I dont know, there are many ways you can pivot. But all of it has risks or sacrifice involved. For both producer and consumer

@NEStalgia I sympathize with ur point of view. Trust me, i can go on a whole rant about our capitalist monetary system. But ill spare everyone that one.
If they cant make housing, which is a basic human necessity, on par with average wages. Then let alone gadgets like these.
Inflation man, baked in to the system. Everything gets more expensive. Not a principle i agree with. But as long as they keep printing money, they keep devaluing the circulating money supply and everything will keep increasing in cost.

@Lexluther23 Digital Foundry doesnt really make money from the PS5 Pro. They would be making videos regardless of that console.

If not listen to experts in the industry, then to whom do we listen to? Random people on the internet maybe? They seem to have a good track record with knowing how billion dollar industries and supply chains work.

@jgrangervikings1 Well maybe, but they'd have to increase the monthly price a lot and set a fixed amount of time for the subscription. For example 1 or 2 years. It would be like $35 to $60 a month depending on the length. Doesnt seem to me that this construction would appeal to many, but hey it might to some

The phones arent free, the price is factored in to your monthly payment. Atleast, if i understand correctly what you mean. I might be getting it wrong, im not from the US

@NEStalgia They're not discontinuing the PS5 you know? That console is still more in line with average peoples discretionary spending abilities. The Pro doesnt replace the original, people can still buy the regular PS5.

@__jamiie @IOI For all the people still complaining about price. Sony will not subsidize the price of a console that is targeted to a niche audience and will not sell in large volumes.
They are doing a profit margin strategy instead of a subsidized strategy. These comments are becoming so tiring.

Also, since you mentioned it. Xbox started it by pricing their new console at $600. Coming out this holiday too btw, if u're not interested in the Pro

@NEStalgia DF comments about pricing are very much in line with what other industry experts are saying. Mostly due to rising component pricing.

Edit: Sony created their own upscaler, because they felt Amd's FSR didnt quite reach their standard. Seeing the early results they made a good move, seeing as PSSR seems more comparable to DLSS than FSR in quality

Oh boy, here we go again. I guess its a weird take, cause we dont know how many sold. Stock(or lack thereof) isnt always a good gauge on how succesful a product is

I wonder if this would also be a steamdeck like handheld, like what Xbox is supossedly gonna do. Where that games created for the PS6 will work on it as well as on PC. Or that devs would need to create seperate games for it like earlier PSPs and Vitas.

Cause if Xbox is planning the former, i wonder how PS can compete if they create a handheld that necessitates seperate game development.

I'd have to see for myself the extent of it all, but i dont like ads. Doesnt sound very promising. Hope there are ways to completely turn them off

@Frmknst Boggles the mind how preoccupied you are with the Pro that u even talk about it in articles that have nothing to do with it

@KillerBoy Its hard to follow what people want. If they should listen to what the people want. It would be more Fortnite. Cause contrary to what you might think. That is what is most being played by majority of the PS casual users.

Astro Bot is what people wanted. And although it might be doing fine. I have yet to see the 'sold over 5 million copies' posts from Sony. What we on this site want, is actually pretty niche, unfortunately

For example, i see many people judging Sony for closing Japan Studio. But the most popular games from the studio hardy sold that much. So which criteria should they follow? You can hardly blame them for not doubling down on franchises that dont sell well right? Same for Killzone, Resistance, Sly Cooper etc.

Im not saying i agree btw, i do want them to make these games. Im just saying its hard for publishers to really know what people want and what would sell well.

I dont get why people get turned off immediately by the words live service. Not every live service is the same genre. GT7 is live service. It basically just means they're continually going to be updating the game.

Hey, the game might be bad. But everyone seems to judge even before games are announced. A game can be bad whether its singleplayer or multiplayer you know?

I for one, are very much interested to see what this could be. Stop judging games before seeing anything, its stupid. As if all singleplayer games are automatically better than multiplayer.

Dont wanna complain too much. I know its hard to cover something like this and its a lot of work. But you still forgot about Towers of Aghasba. I mentioned it earlier in the comments. Its a PS5 console exclusive if im not mistaken

They did sell 6 million units over there already. Didnt the PS4 sell like 9 or 10 million in lifetime sales in Japan.

People here are always so quick to jump to conclusions. It is possible that from now on they stop growing and keep getting fewer sales. But people here seem certain of it. As if sales dont fluctuate because of other reasons

Please add Towers of Aghasba. That looked very intruiging!

Edit: Also The Midnight Walk

The trailer was a piece of art! Really well made, dont usually see game trailers that beautiful