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@CutchuSlow I mostly play remastered of xbox360/ps3 games (the best era imo) on switch, along with all the indie games. Switch is still good for third party and a lot more accessible than ps5/xsx for family situations

As a cambridge regular, Ninja Theory have spent most of their MS money on an obnoxiously hipster bar under their studio while MS sack actually decent studios like Tango

@GeeForce with the amount of accounts you have to make to use a PC (not just games), I don't see how 1 more is even an issue. It's a pain on a console to make Xbox, EA, Ubisoft, Activision accounts etc when you don't have a keyboard but it's really a non issue on PC. Dumbest thing I've heard from the PC folk in recent times

Yet I've had to make an Xbox account to play Grounded on my PS5. Do I care? Not at all.
Why do PC gamers let MS do whatever they want but cry when Sony does the same?

Silver looks like what PS5 should've been instead of white. Well, all of the colours look better than white.

@zekepliskin lol what? These were announced before the PS5 Slim, while we did not know JR was leaving yet, and are 100% coming to the OG consoles as that's what they were revealed for.

@evildave333 again it's a feature of the series. Is it necessary? No. Is it fun for some people? Yeah. I've always enjoyed creating displays of my collection on games like TDU, PGR4, and recently Motorfest. Feel free to ignore it, but it's not gonna hurt the game

@evildave333 in TDU and TDU2 you could buy houses and display your cars, walk around them and stuff, so it's just feature of the series. I think TDU fans would be upset if it wasn't a feature but it's also something you can completely ignore

@rjejr most games still aren't native 4k/60 so that's still the aim.

@OldGamer999 depends if they release that digital-only bathroom bin version of the Series X. Which was meant to release already according to the leak, if they're behind schedule they might just focus on next gen instead of a Series X pro (or whatever they call it)

@Sakai oh ok fair enough, sounds like you know more than me. I've only really looked at resolution benchmarks on PC which is where CPU is not as important. I thought ray tracing was mostly done on GPU as well. Although this leak says 4.4 GHz clock speed when PS5 is 3.5ghz peak I think. Surely that's quite a boost?

I'd be 100% into this if they make it a more "premium" console, as in they upgrade the build quality, have much better cooling, and finally actually insulate the PSU. Even if it's super expensive

@Sakai at 4k resolution, a more powerful GPU is required before bottlenecking the CPU. And Ray Tracing is also more taxing on GPU and not CPU. Likely that a faster CPU is not really required for 4k/60 or ray tracing improvements

@PixelDragon why?

@Jaz007 agree. This game feels like it was made just to please some h*rny DND weirdos.

My dad works for rockstar

@PixelDragon Yes I'll agree with that. I'm mostly digital now but definitely won't defend it, digital can only exist while there is still physical as an option, or like on PC where there are multiple digital stores

@PixelDragon I think in this particular situation this is down to Discovery/Warner Bros and Sony have their hands tied. Not that I don't think Sony have/would do this, but this particular situation isn't really their fault. I do agree that all digital would be terrible, there should always be a choice

Tbh I've only bought 5 physical games for PS5, all collectors editions. Discs just aren't very good for games anymore. Disc drives are big, a bit noisy, can break, discs can't spin/be read fast enough for modern games, can get scratched, take up space, in 50 years time we might all find these discs have disc rot...

But, I do buy a lot of physical on switch. The cartridges are small enough to put them all in one carrying case. Don't make any noise, no moving parts so aren't easily damaged and the readers are very unlikely to break. Games can actually be read off the cards too without installing.

I hope in the future we could have physical games for PS and Xbox on some kind of flash memory drive. I imagine the costs would be high but it's the only way physical media could sell more I think. Sony did it with the vita at least.

Just have a usb disc drive for backwards compatibility.

@BamBamBaklava89 yeah exactly what I was thinking, why aren't Xbox games coming to PS at all? Not even TES6? Sony would take their 30% and MS get the 70%. And surely selling at full price ($70) would be more profitable than Game Pass? I can't make any sense of this at all. Sounds like stupid PR nonsense

@Flaming_Kaiser size limit of a UHD Blu-ray is 100gb I believe. Just a limitation of discs. Games compress more on PS5 as well but I really don't know why Xbox requires more discs. As much as I love discs, they're just no good for games anymore. I hope we move on to some sort of cartridge like switch because they are superior

@Flaming_Kaiser TBF I have the loudest version of ps5 and it's still not that bad.

And yeah I agree with you on that, it's just a big black box.

It's usually all on the disc. PS5 discs can actually hold more data than Xbox discs. Hence with BG3 is 2 discs PS5 and 3 on Xbox

@Flaming_Kaiser PS5 makes almost zero when XSX makes actually zero. Also mine makes quite a bit of noise, loud fan and coil whine. It's been like that since new and I know I'm not alone as I've spoken to many others about it.

Yeah it's definitely not always performing better than the PS5 but I've heard devs prioritize PS5 and patch XSX later.

The Cyberpunk 2077 "complete" edition is the first I've seen where they've not bothered including DLC on disc, other than that they're the same

@tselliot the vast majority of gamers, casual ones at least, don't have a beefy PC so Xbox still has it's place in the gaming market I think.
From my personal perspective I'm waiting to see what happens with Stalker 2 to decide whether to get a Series S. So maybe it's just their lack of first party titles. I've also heard third party devs prioritize PS5 at launch but I can't confirm that. Feels like the PS2 days where PS first party and third party support was so strong they destroyed competition despite being the weakest console

@OldGamer999 it honestly makes zero sense to me. There are at least some things the XSX does better than PS5. Generally better performance, quieter, better backwards compatibility (FPS boost), whereas Xbox one had almost nothing against PS4. I don't understand how the gap is bigger this gen than last gen

The page for the slim digital at least lets us know how the horizontal stand will work - pure witchcraft it seems.

@zekepliskin depends on the game, certain shooters do but not every game.

Nah it's been loud since day one. There are louder fans (multiple suppliers) and I have that with very loud coil whine as well

@zekepliskin My PS5 is actually louder than my PS4 slim so unfortunately I can't share that joy 😂
I agree with everything there, the actual internal hardware is really good. Especially the SSD.
I think the DualSense is really good though. Probably my favourite controller ever. Haptic feedback is ok, but the adaptive triggers are amazing in shooters and racing games. But even without those features I think it's still a very nice controller, has a weight and premium feel too it, sturdy build. As much as the console itself feels a bit cheap, the controllers feel premium which is good as that's the part you'll actually be touching, don't often have to touch the console.
I also appreciate the in-built mic as I've only just bought a headset with a mic after owning the console for 3 years lol. The speaker is crap though I turn that feature off

@zekepliskin Tbf it stands vertically on its own now no issue, and I kind of like the horizontal stand because it's a bit more minimal but yeah I agree that the design is kind of dumb. The back of the console no longer has the little recess the stand clips into.
I quite like the overall design of both PS5s and how they allow for customisation, fan cleaning/changing, and M.2 SSDs, but it could definitely have been done in a more refined way.
It's also so very out of line with every other product sony makes. Their TVs, Headphones, Hifi equipment, Camera's, even their phones are designed very minimal but premium, usually in black or other understated colours. Even previous PlayStation's generally follow similar design language, but the PS5 is so left-field

@zekepliskin I think it's more a case of why buy a PS5 when the PS5 slim is only a few weeks away, so people held off. There is always an assumption that newer=better. And the majority of people aren't going to research it

@__jamiie yes switch is beating PS5 6:1 in Japan. Not really an issue. The Japanese have a massive preference for mobile and portable gaming, and switch is doing really well globally in general. Switch is then beating Xbox 60:1.
And considering the Xbox Series has sold 3x the amount of Xbox one's already, only 3 years in, is actually very significant. But if you want to be rude about it, don't bother replying please. I was only making discussion, not arguing.

@__jamiie oh right, yeah. Switch is miles ahead. 31.7 Million VS 15 million.

But if I can be pedantic, Xbox one/series combined is 660k in Japan. So Switch to PS is 2:1, PS to Xbox is ahem 30:1 (or something like that)

@__jamiie Switch = 132.5 million, PS4= 117 million, PS5 = 46.5 million. So switch 132.5 million VS PS4/5= 163.5 million.

Plus, I think half of us PS players have a switch as well so, who cares

@PixelDragon depends. Just because they're selling badly respectively doesn't mean they're not making profit, and doesn't mean they have to quit hardware. I'm pretty sure they're doing better with the series than they were with the xbone.

Edit: just read that article saying Series is -11% down compared to xbone launch... Nevermind..

@djlard there was plenty of cross-platform releases my guy...

@Tecinthebrain next year... PS portal oled for £250

@djlard your comment is not only inconsistent but also untrue. The PS3 launched with backwards compatibility, its relatively poor sales were caused by its high price without much to offer. It was only when backwards compatibility was dropped and the consoles were cheaper that they recovered to finish slightly ahead of Xbox.
PS4 is also the second most successful PlayStation ever, despite no backwards compatibility.
I don't disagree that it was important for PS5s launch to have BC but I think that's mostly due to people skipping the pro and wanting to play the upgraded PS4 games on PS5. But without it, it would've sold just as well.

@TheCollector316 I wonder what the future looks like with the law of diminishing returns. Not much point aiming for more than 4k@60fps, SSDs get faster but will only save a few seconds loading. Other factors will become so much more important in the future.
My biggest wish would be ending game installs, basically reinventing the cartridge so we can have instant physical games again. I wouldn't be bothered if disc drives were just a usb plug-in accessory for backwards compatibility

@rusty82 Xbox may have more TFLOPS, but otherwise its hardware is not that powerful. Split ram and a slow SSD let it down, and it doesn't have Sony's IO magic (seriously how does that work) meaning many games run slightly better on PS5 - such as Elden Ring. Even so the difference is only a couple FPS, both when a game runs better on PS5 or XSX.

I've always had slims and they've always been brilliant. Bought PS5 at launch for the first time and it's had a few issues. Think I might get one on sale if I can. Might wait for the slim in the ps6 gen

@CrispyMango92 I feel that. Sometimes I put it in rest for downloads or been using remote play, and I forget about it for a week (it's in a spare room so I don't see it all the time)

@CrispyMango92 you... Don't ....?

I've had every generation of Xbox and PS besides the new Xbox Series, because I no longer want anything at all to do with xbox.

Maybe their software sales aren't going to plan either and need an excuse to bring them to other platforms

The only thing disappointing me is that the price cuts haven't been passed to the consumer. At least reduce the price back down to £450/£350 launch price.

I might still get one if coil whine is fixed though.

I just completed mafia remastered and been waiting on a mafia 2 definitive sale so this couldn't be better timing.
I already bought fireteam elite but it's a pretty fun game if you play with a friend.

So overall probably the best selection in a long time!

@Fiendish-Beaver Lol at the assumption I know nothing about PCs. I have spec'd and built PCs for a lot of people. You can definitely do it for £1200, as that's usually the spec people want, it's the spec I've done the most.

@Fiendish-Beaver £2000? Not at all. £1000-1200 will easily match the PS5, or even surpassed it at 1080p. And you don't have to match that spec at all.
And what does Sony releasing games on PC have anything at all to do with Xbox?? I don't see any connection there. It simply makes Sony more money.

@Deityjester yes they do, the people didn't care for days gone because it was mid, not enough people bought it, and the sequel got cancelled. People didn't buy the vita. It died. People didn't buy move. It died. People didn't buy PSTV. It died.
Just because it doesn't align with your personal taste does not mean it is not the case.

@Deityjester so you didn't buy the exclusives that didn't appeal to you? That's called voting with your wallet....