@Frmknst multipler is just a segment of a game, that allows people to play together, whereas live service aims to keep players engaged for a long as possible with constant updates, new characters, battle passes, etc. All live service games are multiplayer but not all multiplayers are live service
This game was very good until you hit Level 25, after which all skill-based matchmaking is thrown out the window and you end up in incredibly sweaty try-hard lobbies where the entire opposing team are snipers. I quit at that point because it was so frustrating
@gollumb82 I try and help my friends build their PCs and I always advise investing in really good cases, cooling, and PSUs. Of course they don't listen and only a few months go by until they have loads of issues and everything needs upgrading. It's so, so much easier to upgrade RAM, GPU, or SSDs than to rewire your entire cooling system, repaste the cpu, replace PSU etc 😂.
Windows indeed sucks. SteamOS I think is pretty good, I'd love to see valve have a second go at the Steam Machine thing. The Asus looks like a much better handheld but the Windows puts me off, I'll have to look at SteamOS on it
@gollumb82 So many PC people will say you can get a PC to outperform PS5 for like $800, but neglect to tell you that requires buying a very cheap case, very cheap noisy fans, a cheap cpu cooler, and an awful PSU, creating a hot, loud, time bomb of a PC lol.
@glennthefrog I think people are sympathetic for the coders/engineers, and other developers who are not directors/designers/artists etc. The ones just make the game work as opposed to designing it
I mean, look at the steam deck, asus ally, etc. Sure they're PCs in software but they're really consoles in hardware. The steam machine flopped in 2014 but maybe it was just ahead of it's time. I think it would be a lot more successful now after the Steam deck's success. I used to play on PC, but now I'm console only and even looking to get rid of PC all together as there's not much my mobile phone can't do at home (obviously a much different story if you do work on a PC)
If anything, I think consoles have room to grow. It's just $500 consoles in this economy are simply not going to do as well as consoles which were half the price
Considering how the actual character design comes very, very late into the development cycle for a game like this, it's a possibility this game looked very promising in pre-alpha builds but the characters they slapped on top of the game ruined it for everyone
@Deityjester well I thought it was worth sharing incase you didn't know. I know plenty of people who buy keys for indie games knowing those indie devs would rather you pirate the game instead
@Deityjester best looking up how key sites work, it often ends up costing the developers money. If it's a ubisoft or EA then whatever but please dont use keys for indie games
@Jacko11 or developers could make lower budget games? Weird how this is occurring at the same time indie games are so loved by gamers, probably because you actually get your money's worth
@Northern_munkey you say it sucks to have digital only consoles, but I have the disc PS5 and only have a couple discs. Reason being is that the sales on the digital store are usually much larger than they are for discs, or at least I'm notified of sales on my wishlist instead of having to check on game stores often
I've only paid full price for a PS5 game once and that's because it was a console bundle and the only option to get a PS5 at the time. But that was demon souls so I'd say that one was almost worth it
@Vaako007 I don't think you're wrong, console is definitely better optimised than PC, but a whole 6GB less ram is quite a lot. As you say, smoothness is important, but they might be struggling to get 1080p@30fps smoothly.
Hellblade 2 is another game that has a minimum of 16GB ram, also minimum GPU of a gtx1070, and that game runs at a staggering 1536x643 resolution on Series S. Albeit at a smooth 30fps but that's a first party team that will have the best optimisation possible
@Vaako007 the minimum requirements for Wukong on PC are higher than the Series S spec. GTX1060 6GB as a minimum, which is more powerful than the Series S. Minimum RAM is 16GB, the Series S has 10GB.
Wukong might well run at less than 1080p on Series S
@HonestHick Sea of thieves, the same game that had 58% of it's PS players stop playing after less than a month. Concord sucks, but Helldivers 2 was a massive success. Sony are simply taking risks. I'd rather see a great game come out of several bad ones than many mediocre games. But as you said, to each their own.
@HonestHick ...my entire point was that there has only been ONE sony studio online game so far...
I was not saying they have been successful or not. Only that only one exists so far and it's been an astounding failure. How the hell did you come up with the idea that I was supporting them?
Really didn't enjoy cyberpunk. Just felt really boring and shallow. Some of the least satisfying combat I've ever experienced in a game. So many other games do the cyberpunk genre justice and 2077 felt like a teenager's interpretation of the cyberpunk genre
@z0d15g0d I don't think you should hit on your colleagues, though. I understand social awkwardness very well (hey, that's me), but I still am very aware of workplace boundaries
If you've spent any time in Japan you know that this is abhorrently expensive. Things in general are very cheap in Japan, and salaries are relatively low, so this is the equivalent of the PS5 being $800 thereabouts in the west.
Sony need to sort it out, I understand hardware is sold at a loss but I suppose they're not making enough software to cover it.
I usually tolerate this s**t because business is business but this will only hurt them
@arzis100193 Yeah I agree with all of your points really. We are really hitting a wall of diminishing returns in terms of performance, it will take a big increase in hardware to make a small increase in performance. I do hope the next gen will focus on making consoles smaller and more efficient, although I think that will require physical media to change.
One thing I don't like about this gen is having to pick between graphics and performance modes. Having a pro might do both, and I'd be happy with that.
My issue with the Switch and PC handhelds (Steam deck, Asus Ally) is they're massive. They're not really that portable. The PSP/Vita or GameBoy/DS I could put in my pocket.
So I do think there is a gap in the market for a genuinely portable console.
If it could run PS4 games without needing any sort of developer optimisation, I would be 100% all for it. Although that would mean we never get any new releases for it
@arzis100193 from what I've read, PS5 gets priority from developers over Xbox, hence why so many games perform better on PS5 at launch despite not being as powerful on paper. Xbox usually catches up after a few patches though. And because of this, I think developers will be prioritising PS5 and PS5 Pro so the series S isn't going to hold them back as it's more of a secondary thought.
PS5 Pro will have to hit 60fps in most games for people to even consider buying it. As for graphics, there isn't much more they can do other than resolution, and most games are running 4k or close to it, so I understand your point there. They can potentially increase textures and lighting but that adds a lot of complexity for the developer.
I agree with you as well that the PS4 needs to be left behind now. This generation has been slowed down by crossgen releases. Personally I still would like a pro, because in 4 more years I know the releases are going to struggle on PS5 as we look towards PS6... unless this generation is going to last a lot longer than we thought
This serves me mostly as reminder that I haven't played all the uncharted or tomb raider games, and I should go play them first..
This is the kind of game I'll get on sale several years after it comes out, but it's definitely going to do really well I think. Will help Bethesda recover from it's last few controversial games
@UltimateOtaku91 Absolutely could go f2p. They just give everyone who bought the game £35 worth of currency. Cosmetics were planned for the game anyway.
CSGO, TF2, PUBG, Destiny 2, Rocket League, Fall Guys, all went paid to f2p. Main difference was they already had a playerbase though
@GreatAuk I feel the same way. Been building PCs a long time but don't game on them. When I did, I'd spend more time in settings than the game. That's why I like consoles, although I sometimes can't pick between performance or graphics modes. If a pro came out and ran 4k60 more frequently, and was still cost effective, I'd probably buy it. Although maybe I should upgrade my TV to OLED first.
I've only bought 4 discs this gen, so I'd probably switch to digital while im at it and save £100
@arzis100193 Wukong, for example, skipping Xbox for now could be because they can't get it to work on Series S. Buldurs Gate 3 didn't come out on Xbox initially for similar reasons, until Spencer changed his mind on console parity. I can see more devs skipping xbox because of the Series S.
Loads times are longer than the start of the PS5. We started the gen on 2 second loading times, now 10 is about normal (well, for wukong anyway).
And well if you can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps, I don't know what to tell you. I guess you don't play many fast paced games? 30fps doesn't bother me much, but 60 is still better
All I want is Stalker 2, really. But will just wait to see if that 3 month exclusive leak holds any weight.
Seems odd to announce everything for PS when they finally, finally have a games lineup that's decent. They've had nothing but 2 Bethesda flops in the past 4 years, and hellblade 2 I guess, although I don't know anyone who cares about hellblade
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Re: PS5, PC Shooter Concord Dead on Arrival, Is Being Taken Offline This Week as Dev 'Explores Options'
@Lup First descendant is kind of the opposite in a way. Dodgy gameplay but "appealing" character designs, if you get me
Re: PlayStation Fans Think Hideo Kojima's Teasing PS5 Pro, But It's One Hell of a Reach
Kojima posted this on his own instagram 4 days ago, and another one the day before
Re: Rumour: Blizzard's Making a 'AAA RPG-FPS', Possibly an Overwatch Spin-Off
Anything Blizzard is a no go for me.
Re: Rumour: Ubisoft Live Service Shooter XDefiant on Brink of Being Shut Down
@Frmknst multipler is just a segment of a game, that allows people to play together, whereas live service aims to keep players engaged for a long as possible with constant updates, new characters, battle passes, etc. All live service games are multiplayer but not all multiplayers are live service
Re: Rumour: Ubisoft Live Service Shooter XDefiant on Brink of Being Shut Down
@nessisonett yeah the "welcome playlist" is a lot of fun. It's a shame they didn't have proper matchmaking after that otherwise I'd still be playing
Re: Test Drive Unlimited Developer Joins Spiders in Strike Against Nacon
@Mikey856 I'm all the way down in Suffolk, I've seen a fair bit of welding/fab pop up but never really looked into it
Re: Rumour: Ubisoft Live Service Shooter XDefiant on Brink of Being Shut Down
@Waluigi451 It was in the top 10 on PS for a while, so yes maybe you do live under a waluigi shaped rock
Re: Rumour: Ubisoft Live Service Shooter XDefiant on Brink of Being Shut Down
This game was very good until you hit Level 25, after which all skill-based matchmaking is thrown out the window and you end up in incredibly sweaty try-hard lobbies where the entire opposing team are snipers. I quit at that point because it was so frustrating
Re: Test Drive Unlimited Developer Joins Spiders in Strike Against Nacon
@Mikey856 What makes you say welder's wages are about to go up? I recently quit my chef job and need to retrain, welding might be an idea
Re: Failing Manufacturers Are Pushing the Narrative That Consoles Are Dying, Says Ex-Xbox Exec
@gollumb82 I try and help my friends build their PCs and I always advise investing in really good cases, cooling, and PSUs. Of course they don't listen and only a few months go by until they have loads of issues and everything needs upgrading. It's so, so much easier to upgrade RAM, GPU, or SSDs than to rewire your entire cooling system, repaste the cpu, replace PSU etc 😂.
Windows indeed sucks. SteamOS I think is pretty good, I'd love to see valve have a second go at the Steam Machine thing. The Asus looks like a much better handheld but the Windows puts me off, I'll have to look at SteamOS on it
Re: Failing Manufacturers Are Pushing the Narrative That Consoles Are Dying, Says Ex-Xbox Exec
@gollumb82 So many PC people will say you can get a PC to outperform PS5 for like $800, but neglect to tell you that requires buying a very cheap case, very cheap noisy fans, a cheap cpu cooler, and an awful PSU, creating a hot, loud, time bomb of a PC lol.
Re: Failing Manufacturers Are Pushing the Narrative That Consoles Are Dying, Says Ex-Xbox Exec
@WhiteRabbit expensive TV + console always looks better than expensive PC + montior IMO. Shame my TV is crap lol
Re: Concord PS5, PC Sales Estimates Are Somehow Even Worse Than We Thought
@glennthefrog I think people are sympathetic for the coders/engineers, and other developers who are not directors/designers/artists etc. The ones just make the game work as opposed to designing it
Re: Failing Manufacturers Are Pushing the Narrative That Consoles Are Dying, Says Ex-Xbox Exec
I mean, look at the steam deck, asus ally, etc. Sure they're PCs in software but they're really consoles in hardware.
The steam machine flopped in 2014 but maybe it was just ahead of it's time. I think it would be a lot more successful now after the Steam deck's success.
I used to play on PC, but now I'm console only and even looking to get rid of PC all together as there's not much my mobile phone can't do at home (obviously a much different story if you do work on a PC)
If anything, I think consoles have room to grow. It's just $500 consoles in this economy are simply not going to do as well as consoles which were half the price
Re: Concord PS5, PC Sales Estimates Are Somehow Even Worse Than We Thought
Considering how the actual character design comes very, very late into the development cycle for a game like this, it's a possibility this game looked very promising in pre-alpha builds but the characters they slapped on top of the game ruined it for everyone
Re: How Much Would You Pay for Your PS5 Games? Dev Says Industry Is Waiting for GTA 6 to Hike Prices
@Deityjester well I thought it was worth sharing incase you didn't know. I know plenty of people who buy keys for indie games knowing those indie devs would rather you pirate the game instead
Re: How Much Would You Pay for Your PS5 Games? Dev Says Industry Is Waiting for GTA 6 to Hike Prices
@Northern_munkey no worries
Re: How Much Would You Pay for Your PS5 Games? Dev Says Industry Is Waiting for GTA 6 to Hike Prices
@Northern_munkey and I agree with you? I was having a polite discussion not arguing with you.
Re: How Much Would You Pay for Your PS5 Games? Dev Says Industry Is Waiting for GTA 6 to Hike Prices
@Northern_munkey ehh?? I was taking sales not day one prices
Re: How Much Would You Pay for Your PS5 Games? Dev Says Industry Is Waiting for GTA 6 to Hike Prices
@Deityjester best looking up how key sites work, it often ends up costing the developers money. If it's a ubisoft or EA then whatever but please dont use keys for indie games
Re: How Much Would You Pay for Your PS5 Games? Dev Says Industry Is Waiting for GTA 6 to Hike Prices
@Northern_munkey uhm. Ok then bud..
Re: How Much Would You Pay for Your PS5 Games? Dev Says Industry Is Waiting for GTA 6 to Hike Prices
@Jacko11 or developers could make lower budget games? Weird how this is occurring at the same time indie games are so loved by gamers, probably because you actually get your money's worth
Re: How Much Would You Pay for Your PS5 Games? Dev Says Industry Is Waiting for GTA 6 to Hike Prices
@Northern_munkey you say it sucks to have digital only consoles, but I have the disc PS5 and only have a couple discs. Reason being is that the sales on the digital store are usually much larger than they are for discs, or at least I'm notified of sales on my wishlist instead of having to check on game stores often
I've only paid full price for a PS5 game once and that's because it was a console bundle and the only option to get a PS5 at the time. But that was demon souls so I'd say that one was almost worth it
Re: Let the Astro Bot PS5 Launch Trailer Tide You Over Until Release
Video games are so back
Re: Dramatic Conflicts as Sony Accused of Signing Secret PS5 Exclusivity with Black Myth: Wukong
@Vaako007 I don't think you're wrong, console is definitely better optimised than PC, but a whole 6GB less ram is quite a lot. As you say, smoothness is important, but they might be struggling to get 1080p@30fps smoothly.
Hellblade 2 is another game that has a minimum of 16GB ram, also minimum GPU of a gtx1070, and that game runs at a staggering 1536x643 resolution on Series S. Albeit at a smooth 30fps but that's a first party team that will have the best optimisation possible
Re: Sony Accused of Signing Secret PS5 Console Exclusivity Agreement with Black Myth: Wukong
@Vaako007 the minimum requirements for Wukong on PC are higher than the Series S spec. GTX1060 6GB as a minimum, which is more powerful than the Series S. Minimum RAM is 16GB, the Series S has 10GB.
Wukong might well run at less than 1080p on Series S
Re: Players Complain of Lengthy PS5 Matchmaking Times As Concord Numbers Dwindle
@HonestHick Sea of thieves, the same game that had 58% of it's PS players stop playing after less than a month.
Concord sucks, but Helldivers 2 was a massive success. Sony are simply taking risks. I'd rather see a great game come out of several bad ones than many mediocre games.
But as you said, to each their own.
Re: Players Complain of Lengthy PS5 Matchmaking Times As Concord Numbers Dwindle
@HonestHick I don't want Microsoft's garbage live service games either. The best online games are always third-party multiplatforms
Re: Players Complain of Lengthy PS5 Matchmaking Times As Concord Numbers Dwindle
@HonestHick ...my entire point was that there has only been ONE sony studio online game so far...
I was not saying they have been successful or not. Only that only one exists so far and it's been an astounding failure. How the hell did you come up with the idea that I was supporting them?
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro Design Seemingly Leaked
The design looks like it'll use the slims face plates even if the console is bigger
I dont know if everyone so angry over a bunch of rumours is sad or hilarious
Give me strength
Re: Players Complain of Lengthy PS5 Matchmaking Times As Concord Numbers Dwindle
@HonestHick You specifically said Sony's own studio games. Not anything to do with games they invested in.
Re: The Witcher 4 Close to Full Production, Next Cyberpunk Progressing as Planned
Really didn't enjoy cyberpunk. Just felt really boring and shallow. Some of the least satisfying combat I've ever experienced in a game. So many other games do the cyberpunk genre justice and 2077 felt like a teenager's interpretation of the cyberpunk genre
Re: Players Complain of Lengthy PS5 Matchmaking Times As Concord Numbers Dwindle
@HonestHick ah yes, Sony studios online games, such as.. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what exactly
Re: Bungie's Making Headlines for All the Wrong Reasons Yet Again
@z0d15g0d I don't think you should hit on your colleagues, though.
I understand social awkwardness very well (hey, that's me), but I still am very aware of workplace boundaries
Re: Bungie's Making Headlines for All the Wrong Reasons Yet Again
@Mortal well that sucks.
Re: Bungie's Making Headlines for All the Wrong Reasons Yet Again
@Sequel it's still extraction. Don't know where you heard hero shooter from
Re: Taiko no Tatsujin: Rhythm Festival Drums Up a 120fps PS5 Port
Absolutely love the Taiko series. Played the rhythm adventure game recently and it's such a goofy game but brilliant fun.
Re: Japan Hit with Yet Another PS5 Price Increase
If you've spent any time in Japan you know that this is abhorrently expensive. Things in general are very cheap in Japan, and salaries are relatively low, so this is the equivalent of the PS5 being $800 thereabouts in the west.
Sony need to sort it out, I understand hardware is sold at a loss but I suppose they're not making enough software to cover it.
I usually tolerate this s**t because business is business but this will only hurt them
Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 Collector's Edition Is a Medieval Masterpiece
I'll be buying that map off Ebay I think.
Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 Collector's Edition Is a Medieval Masterpiece
200 Groschen? Bloody hell, that's a bit much.
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro Was Allegedly Being Talked About Openly at Gamescom
@arzis100193 Yeah I agree with all of your points really. We are really hitting a wall of diminishing returns in terms of performance, it will take a big increase in hardware to make a small increase in performance. I do hope the next gen will focus on making consoles smaller and more efficient, although I think that will require physical media to change.
One thing I don't like about this gen is having to pick between graphics and performance modes. Having a pro might do both, and I'd be happy with that.
Re: Rumour: Sony Paying Close Attention to Handheld Market After PS Portal's Shock Success
My issue with the Switch and PC handhelds (Steam deck, Asus Ally) is they're massive. They're not really that portable. The PSP/Vita or GameBoy/DS I could put in my pocket.
So I do think there is a gap in the market for a genuinely portable console.
If it could run PS4 games without needing any sort of developer optimisation, I would be 100% all for it. Although that would mean we never get any new releases for it
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro Was Allegedly Being Talked About Openly at Gamescom
@arzis100193 from what I've read, PS5 gets priority from developers over Xbox, hence why so many games perform better on PS5 at launch despite not being as powerful on paper. Xbox usually catches up after a few patches though. And because of this, I think developers will be prioritising PS5 and PS5 Pro so the series S isn't going to hold them back as it's more of a secondary thought.
PS5 Pro will have to hit 60fps in most games for people to even consider buying it. As for graphics, there isn't much more they can do other than resolution, and most games are running 4k or close to it, so I understand your point there. They can potentially increase textures and lighting but that adds a lot of complexity for the developer.
I agree with you as well that the PS4 needs to be left behind now. This generation has been slowed down by crossgen releases.
Personally I still would like a pro, because in 4 more years I know the releases are going to struggle on PS5 as we look towards PS6... unless this generation is going to last a lot longer than we thought
Re: Preview: As Uncharted Rests, Xbox Provides PS5 Adventure in Indiana Jones
This serves me mostly as reminder that I haven't played all the uncharted or tomb raider games, and I should go play them first..
This is the kind of game I'll get on sale several years after it comes out, but it's definitely going to do really well I think. Will help Bethesda recover from it's last few controversial games
Re: Things Are Getting Worse for Floundering PS5, PC FPS Concord
@UltimateOtaku91 Absolutely could go f2p. They just give everyone who bought the game £35 worth of currency. Cosmetics were planned for the game anyway.
CSGO, TF2, PUBG, Destiny 2, Rocket League, Fall Guys, all went paid to f2p. Main difference was they already had a playerbase though
Re: Things Are Getting Worse for Floundering PS5, PC FPS Concord
Well, you win some, you lose some.
Expect this to go free to play very, very soon. Don't know who thought charging £35 for a hero shooter was a good idea
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro Was Allegedly Being Talked About Openly at Gamescom
@GreatAuk I feel the same way. Been building PCs a long time but don't game on them. When I did, I'd spend more time in settings than the game. That's why I like consoles, although I sometimes can't pick between performance or graphics modes.
If a pro came out and ran 4k60 more frequently, and was still cost effective, I'd probably buy it. Although maybe I should upgrade my TV to OLED first.
I've only bought 4 discs this gen, so I'd probably switch to digital while im at it and save £100
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro Was Allegedly Being Talked About Openly at Gamescom
@arzis100193 Wukong, for example, skipping Xbox for now could be because they can't get it to work on Series S. Buldurs Gate 3 didn't come out on Xbox initially for similar reasons, until Spencer changed his mind on console parity. I can see more devs skipping xbox because of the Series S.
Loads times are longer than the start of the PS5. We started the gen on 2 second loading times, now 10 is about normal (well, for wukong anyway).
And well if you can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps, I don't know what to tell you. I guess you don't play many fast paced games?
30fps doesn't bother me much, but 60 is still better
Re: Sony to Short-Change PS Stars Members with PS Plus Renewals Starting Next Year
Kind of sucks as I don't buy that many games (got a massive backlog to get through). Almost have enough for the £20 reward
Will it be 13 months starting from now or when you originally got them? Because my rewards are from over the years
Re: Reaction: It's Time for Xbox to Tell Us Which Games It's Bringing to PS5, and Which Games It Isn't
All I want is Stalker 2, really. But will just wait to see if that 3 month exclusive leak holds any weight.
Seems odd to announce everything for PS when they finally, finally have a games lineup that's decent. They've had nothing but 2 Bethesda flops in the past 4 years, and hellblade 2 I guess, although I don't know anyone who cares about hellblade