@starbuck2212 So by your logic, you'd shrug your shoulders and go, 'it'll be fixed eventually' if you bought say a car? And couldn't drive it off the lot? But it's ok that it's broken and undrivable it'll get fixed eventually? I doubt it.
Why is it ok for games to be released unfinished but any other product people would be up in arms?
I have worked in retail my entire life and have witnessed some outrageous behaviour from people wanting refunds for something as simple as a pair of underwear so I find it bizarre that people will put up with this.
As for your point about the media, they , quite rightly feel they were unwittingly duped into deceiving people, so I would say some of the discourse is warranted.
Disclaimer - I have no interest in playing Cyberpunk 2077 so have no emtional investment in it.
However, when a developer tweets their holier than thou ' a gamer should only have to buy a game once' and then release a game in this state, I think people have the right to be angry.
Any other product this broken would be classed as 'faulty' and you would be able to get a replacement or a refund if you so wished. Game companies who routinely release games in this state should be required to refund purchases, either phyiscal or digital. That's the disgrace here. That people have spent hard earned cash and now are being denied basic consumer rights. Which is a right to a refund if the product is not fit for purpose.
@Nepp67 tbh I don't think cancelling ps4 xbox1x versions could ever have happened. I expect the vast majority of their 8 million pre-orders are for ps4 or xbox. Cancelling them would have been a bigger bloodbath than this I think.
I am so excited for this!! Look at all my babies in that last screenshot. Just chillin', lookin cool as F##k. Can't wait to get back into this universe with them. Yay!
@Crispy747 tbh every time I boot this game up on Steam, my laptop starts going crazy and it heats up pretty fast. And this is a laptop that can run Zoo World and Sims 4 and all the DLC at the highest setting without blinking an eye. Not sure what it is about DE that sets it off but it always sounds like a jet engine when I play it.
@CynicalGamer I agree. Always happy for a team to get regcognition but it's kind of boring for everyone else when one game wins the majority of awards. And this year we had such a great mix of different games, it's a shame more of them didn't get highlighted.
@nessisonett I never understood peeps who liked Bru as a mixer. Ughh. If they get get too boring just knock it back neat. That way they'll be a lot more entertaining! lolol.
@AJDarkstar You know you get a legacy bundle for free which is all your dlc stuff from P5 if you had it. I thought it was pretty good. I ended up buying the edition with the dlc (which I said I wasn't going to ) and also got this legacy bundle to. Was pleasantly surpised.
I'll no be watching live this year. On too late and I have work in the am. I'll just get up and see the inevitable posts all over the internet moaning about who won what and how there were no brilliant reveals and it was all anti-climatic. Same old really, not missing anything. lol.
@get2sammyb Concrete Genie was super fun but only took me about 10 hours. And it only took 10 hours cause I was going for the plat so had to search for all the geneis etc. Should be able to finish it no probs.
@mcdreamer Ohh I have Persona 3 waiting in the wings. Just playing throu P5R right now. Still got my second playthrough of P4G to do to for the plat. I'm all Persona all the time it feels like.
How about just concentrating on making more freaking consoles instead of creating even more demand for something you can't fufil?? Getting so pissed off now.
I found it really hard to get into this time round, but I think it's more to do with completely falling in love with Kassandra who was a snarky beyotch. Eivor is a lot more subdued to me. Also playing as male this time round as the female character seemed a little bland to me this time round. I've done three areas in England and starting to really enjoy it now. Wanted to romance Soma though and haven't been able to. Enjoying the fishing and hunting. Also love Sigurd a LOT, assumed he was going to be an a-hole so pleasently surprised by that.
Anyone else think thier male Eivor looks completely different to the Eivor on the cover.
@Danloaded That's my issue. (also I have no PS5 lol) but yeah, I was never gonna buy Demon Souls as I find Soulborne games really boring. It's running round streets doing combat . I find it extremely one note tbh. I know a lot of people love them and that's great, just not my thing. I'm more excited to play older PS4 games on my PS5 with no loading. Finally gonna finish The Witcher 3, lol.
Am I the first PS4 peon commenting? I'm slowly making my way through AC: Valhalla. Not really scratching my itch tbh. I'm only 20 hours in so maybe just need to persevere. However, yesterday got a little gem called Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin that I am already super addicted to after about 3 hrs playtime so I can see me playing nothing but that this weekend. LOL
@ShogunRok I have run into the same bug and nope, I'm in the house and she won't talk to me, can't progress any further. Plus side I kick ass at drinking and playing Orlog.
@Kieren1234 Same. Second mission and a game stopping bug. So freaking annoying. I don't really want to start again for the same thing to happen. So frustrated.
@glassmusic really? just because MS owns them doesn't mean Bethesda will magically be able to make a decent game. I mean, other than perhaps Halo (which MS ruined) what quality titles has MS released? Quality games have always been their weak point. MS and Bethesda is a match made in mediocrity for game design as far as I'm concerned. LOLz.
@Clemerek Yeah, it's rubbish but that's the whole point. Rockstar want you to get addicted to thier online MTX filled world. It nets them billions every year.
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Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Sales Top 13 Million Despite Refunds
@starbuck2212 So by your logic, you'd shrug your shoulders and go, 'it'll be fixed eventually' if you bought say a car? And couldn't drive it off the lot? But it's ok that it's broken and undrivable it'll get fixed eventually? I doubt it.
Why is it ok for games to be released unfinished but any other product people would be up in arms?
I have worked in retail my entire life and have witnessed some outrageous behaviour from people wanting refunds for something as simple as a pair of underwear so I find it bizarre that people will put up with this.
As for your point about the media, they , quite rightly feel they were unwittingly duped into deceiving people, so I would say some of the discourse is warranted.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Sales Top 13 Million Despite Refunds
I have no issue with the game personally. I haven't played it, don't have any hat in this game but this kind of news kind of makes me sad.
This type of news just encourages companies to release broken products regardless of backlash cause they will still make money.
So disheartening for consumers.
Re: PS5 Now Warns You if You're About to Play the PS4 Version of a Cross-Gen Game
Dearie me, first world problem if ever I saw one. lol
Re: Best Upcoming PS5, PS4 RPGs
No Final Fantasy 16? Time to update methinks.
Re: Talking Point: Which Free January 2021 PS Plus Games Do You Want?
@LieutenantFatman pretty much did a real life LOL there. People turned and stared.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 355
Contemplating finally finishing Death Stranding. Finishing P5R and grinding a little bit more in Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@nhSnork As far as I am aware there is no PS5 port. Everyone playing this game on PS5 is playing the PS4 version via backwards compatibility.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 354
@gamiller1978 Same. Loving it so far.
Re: Poll: Is Cyberpunk 2077's Poor PS4 Performance Acceptable?
Disclaimer - I have no interest in playing Cyberpunk 2077 so have no emtional investment in it.
However, when a developer tweets their holier than thou ' a gamer should only have to buy a game once' and then release a game in this state, I think people have the right to be angry.
Any other product this broken would be classed as 'faulty' and you would be able to get a replacement or a refund if you so wished. Game companies who routinely release games in this state should be required to refund purchases, either phyiscal or digital. That's the disgrace here. That people have spent hard earned cash and now are being denied basic consumer rights. Which is a right to a refund if the product is not fit for purpose.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 on PS4 Is Being Slaughtered By Metacritic Users
@Nepp67 tbh I don't think cancelling ps4 xbox1x versions could ever have happened. I expect the vast majority of their 8 million pre-orders are for ps4 or xbox. Cancelling them would have been a bigger bloodbath than this I think.
Re: Disco Elysium Greatly Expanded with New Quests on PS5, Runs at 4K 60FPS
I wonder if the plat will require multiple playthroughs.....
Re: November 2020 NPD: PS5 Sets New US Hardware Launch Record, But Can't Beat Nintendo Switch
@KnightRider1982 Yep, switch is also great console.
Re: Preview: Persona 5 Strikers Is Much More than a Hack and Slash Spin-Off
I am so excited for this!! Look at all my babies in that last screenshot. Just chillin', lookin cool as F##k. Can't wait to get back into this universe with them. Yay!
Re: Disco Elysium Greatly Expanded with New Quests on PS5, Runs at 4K 60FPS
@Crispy747 tbh every time I boot this game up on Steam, my laptop starts going crazy and it heats up pretty fast. And this is a laptop that can run Zoo World and Sims 4 and all the DLC at the highest setting without blinking an eye. Not sure what it is about DE that sets it off but it always sounds like a jet engine when I play it.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Sweeps The Game Awards, Wins Game of the Year
@CynicalGamer I agree. Always happy for a team to get regcognition but it's kind of boring for everyone else when one game wins the majority of awards. And this year we had such a great mix of different games, it's a shame more of them didn't get highlighted.
Re: What Time Is The Game Awards 2020?
@nessisonett I never understood peeps who liked Bru as a mixer. Ughh. If they get get too boring just knock it back neat. That way they'll be a lot more entertaining! lolol.
Re: What Time Is The Game Awards 2020?
@nessisonett Are you a fellow Scot sir? Nice bottle of Irn Bru sounds lovely right now.
Re: What Time Is The Game Awards 2020?
@lumothesinner I'm sure it's 4 hrs all in. That's pre show and actual show.
Re: PS Store Game Awards Sale Has lots of PS5, PS4 Game Deals
@AJDarkstar You know you get a legacy bundle for free which is all your dlc stuff from P5 if you had it. I thought it was pretty good. I ended up buying the edition with the dlc (which I said I wasn't going to ) and also got this legacy bundle to. Was pleasantly surpised.
Re: What Time Is The Game Awards 2020?
@jess3a3 Is there anything about games you do like? Maybe better off crawling back under your bridge.
Re: What Time Is The Game Awards 2020?
I'll no be watching live this year. On too late and I have work in the am. I'll just get up and see the inevitable posts all over the internet moaning about who won what and how there were no brilliant reveals and it was all anti-climatic. Same old really, not missing anything. lol.
Re: Persona 5 Strikers Officially Announced for Western Release in February 2021
@ShogunRok @AndyKazama Tae Takemi for the win. lol waifuwars
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 353
@get2sammyb Concrete Genie was super fun but only took me about 10 hours. And it only took 10 hours cause I was going for the plat so had to search for all the geneis etc. Should be able to finish it no probs.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 353
@PegasusActual93 Ahh you are in for such a treat when it does come in! It's worth the wait, honest!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 353
@mcdreamer Ohh I have Persona 3 waiting in the wings. Just playing throu P5R right now. Still got my second playthrough of P4G to do to for the plat. I'm all Persona all the time it feels like.
Re: UK Retailer GAME Partners with Sony for Big PS5 Giveaway
@Mpquikster Tell me about it, another day off wasted bouncing from website to website with nothing to show for it.
Re: UK Retailer GAME Partners with Sony for Big PS5 Giveaway
@TheIdleCritic Me and everyone I know must have irregular jobs. I just wanted to vent some frustration. Can you not please...
Re: UK Retailer GAME Partners with Sony for Big PS5 Giveaway
Also if you work for a living you can't even try. Most people work until 5.30pm. !!
Re: UK Retailer GAME Partners with Sony for Big PS5 Giveaway
How about just concentrating on making more freaking consoles instead of creating even more demand for something you can't fufil?? Getting so pissed off now.
Re: PS5 Becomes UK's Biggest Ever Console Launch, Says New Report
Hmm, can you call it a successful launch when it feels like the majority of stock landed in scalpers hands?????
Re: Even the PS5 DualSense Charging Station Has Been Hit by Scalpers
Spent a lovely evening going down all the scalpers listings reporting them. Might not do anything but I felt better. lol
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla (PS5) - Next-Gen Upgrade Is One of the Best Games in the Series
I found it really hard to get into this time round, but I think it's more to do with completely falling in love with Kassandra who was a snarky beyotch. Eivor is a lot more subdued to me. Also playing as male this time round as the female character seemed a little bland to me this time round. I've done three areas in England and starting to really enjoy it now. Wanted to romance Soma though and haven't been able to. Enjoying the fishing and hunting. Also love Sigurd a LOT, assumed he was going to be an a-hole so pleasently surprised by that.
Anyone else think thier male Eivor looks completely different to the Eivor on the cover.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Spider-Man Is PS5's Hero While Call of Duty Shoots to Number One
@Danloaded That's my issue. (also I have no PS5 lol) but yeah, I was never gonna buy Demon Souls as I find Soulborne games really boring. It's running round streets doing combat . I find it extremely one note tbh. I know a lot of people love them and that's great, just not my thing. I'm more excited to play older PS4 games on my PS5 with no loading. Finally gonna finish The Witcher 3, lol.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 351
@crimsontadpoles LOVE that hostess minigame. Sooo goood.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 351
Am I the first PS4 peon commenting? I'm slowly making my way through AC: Valhalla. Not really scratching my itch tbh. I'm only 20 hours in so maybe just need to persevere. However, yesterday got a little gem called Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin that I am already super addicted to after about 3 hrs playtime so I can see me playing nothing but that this weekend. LOL
Re: Spider-Man PS4 Allegedly Sells More Than 20 Million Copies
@LiamCroft lol ok
Re: Spider-Man PS4 Allegedly Sells More Than 20 Million Copies
Find it a bit creepy to be stalking someone's Linkedin profile for news???
Re: PS5 Sold Out in Japan, But Launch Numbers Are Dire
@PaperAlien Because they work 24/7
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla (PS4) - Epic Viking Adventure Buckled by Countless Bugs
@Total_Weirdo Or all thier top executives are too busy having business meetings in strip clubs and sexually harrassing thier sub-ordinates.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla (PS4) - Epic Viking Adventure Buckled by Countless Bugs
@ShogunRok I have run into the same bug and nope, I'm in the house and she won't talk to me, can't progress any further. Plus side I kick ass at drinking and playing Orlog.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla (PS4) - Epic Viking Adventure Buckled by Countless Bugs
@Kieren1234 Same. Second mission and a game stopping bug. So freaking annoying. I don't really want to start again for the same thing to happen. So frustrated.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 347
@munkholt Snap. Finally decided to start the Yakuza backlog. Super enjoying it. Why did I wait so long? ... lol
Re: PS5 Has Instructions on Transferring Data from PS4 Right on the Box
@glassmusic really? just because MS owns them doesn't mean Bethesda will magically be able to make a decent game. I mean, other than perhaps Halo (which MS ruined) what quality titles has MS released? Quality games have always been their weak point. MS and Bethesda is a match made in mediocrity for game design as far as I'm concerned. LOLz.
Re: Marvel's Avengers PS5 Version Delayed to 2021
'shrug' was this unexpected???
Re: Amazon Prime Day PS4 Sale - All Deals on PS4 Games, PS Plus, Consoles, and More
Got Yakuza Collection for 20 squid. SWEET!
Re: Dev Eager to Fix PS4 Game Not Backwards Compatible with PS5
@GADG3Tx87 So write it if it's that easy...lol
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 345
@BamBamBaklava89 Yeah, its probably gonna be the last trophy I get. lol. I hate that mini game so much.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 345
Working towards my Stardew Valley plat.
Re: Poll: What's Your New PlayStation Trophy Level?
@SoulChimera I had to actually get a trophy. When the new trophy popped it synced and changed to the new system.
Re: PlayStation Trophy System to Be Updated Today on PS4, Also Coming to PS5
@Clemerek Yeah, it's rubbish but that's the whole point. Rockstar want you to get addicted to thier online MTX filled world. It nets them billions every year.