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There is only so much room for games that require 50+ hours of people's time.

If a game doesn't catch the zeitgeist and simply reviews well it won't make huge numbers any more because the week after the next big game is out.

Next year will be worse. GTA VI - if it releases in 2025 will crush the chances of any other big game making decent sales as people put hundreds of hours into RockStar's latest game.

@Fiendish-Beaver which pieces of news has Push Square missed in the last week?

I'm not sure what you and all the other people complaining about expect, with a new piece of hardware out that has the main feature of improving already existing games.

@themightyant there's supposedly a definitive edition coming next year....

That's a bit disappointing to be honest.

The one game that I thought was immediately a stand out from the presentation and it was in all likelihood running at 30fps to make the graphics look their best.

Feels like a bit of a confused implementation

I put it on just to give it a try yesterday and it is amazing looking, albeit it always was.

My only complaint was the film grain was so pronounced that I found it distracting. I didn't really see the point of it. Fortunately you can turn it off.

@Orochilocka nice! Enjoy mate. I'm starting to enjoy mine more.

@jerrylongbones I'm aware that this is very much a case by case basis. And of course if you can get rid of artefacts like shimmer etc then that helps the overall picture and the immersion.

For the record, I'm not saying it doesn't do its job, just that I feel it is pretty hard to tell without either specific examples like you just stated or side by side comparisons.

@Matroska PC sites are literally full of articles that talk about bench marks and settings every time a new release comes out. DF do videos about optimum pc settings and new GPU and CPU are benchmarked across the Web on games ranging from the shiny new ones back to games a decade or more old.

New hardware is also a bigger deal in the console space because it happens far less frequently.

What else would you like them to write about this week?

Maybe some click bait opinion piece? It isn't like they have skipped any big news to cover the Pro.

@Rich33 as I've said on other posts, I'm finding the whole thing pretty underwhelming because if I'm honest I can't really tell the difference without side by side comparisons.

I'm sure I'm getting a better experience but I wouldn't be able to specifically point it out to you.

@Lofty1985 I personally am interested in game by game break downs of what the Pro does well.

I like to know the efforts devs have put in and which games might be worth picking up to get the best from my new machine.

@Orochilocka it's the same as Forbidden West. It all looks very nice, plays smoothly.

My one complaint is the lighting and colours on the characters look all off. Just looks weird.

To be honest if you've played it before I wouldn't bother and I like both games a lot.

@Balosi nothing wrong with it if you are in the business of niche products. Sony aren't. They will do it for as long as it benefits them.

But you, just by virtue of being someone who comes on a website like this to discuss gaming very likely makes you an outlier. The enthusiasts probably make up less than 1% of the total market, they just happen to be the most vocal.

I would put money on the fact that technical ability and cost factor far higher than physical games in not going to pc. Especially seeing as 75% of all games sold are digital now anyway.

@Orochilocka so far I have tried: -

Horizon Forbidden West
Horizon Zero Dawn remastered
Lies of P
No Man's Sky (PSVR2)
The Last of Us part 2
Kayak VR Mirage
Demon's Souls

So a bit of mix...

@Orochilocka yeah I got one. Honestly I'm a little underwhelmed. I was just saying on another thread that without a comparison in front of me I kind of can't see how it is better.

That said lies of P is super clear and smooth. Appears to be 4k 60fps and very cool so maybe it will turn out great down the line.

@DennisReynolds I put Horizon Forbidden West on and if I'm honest I think it looked better but I wouldn't have been able to tell you how.

I tried No Man's Sky in VR and to be honest I can't really remember what it looked like on the regular PS5 - which is an issue.

I guess the thing is that we have reached a point where seeing the graphics in abstract without a reference point just doesn't impress like it used to.

@LogicStrikesAgain well that's kind of how I feel to be honest and I think that if you look at this gen as a whole and not just first party there have already been some bangers!

But my main feeling is that the extended cross-gen period has somehow devalued the games we are playing in people's minds and so in some weird sense they don't count.

And the reality is that we have probably seen the back of huge generational leaps in graphics and the potential size of games and the experiences that are possible.

It is incremental upgrades all the way.

That result sort of sums up how I feel about the console as a whole really.

There's this feeling of it does something but it doesn't do enough to really be of note.

I love the build of the machine and how sleek the design is but I know I'm not getting a great deal out of it because I keep checking to see if there is an update I have missed for the games I'm playing.

It all look wonderful, but I feel like it did before and without the side by side comparison I'm struggling to really tell where the differences are.

That said I started Lies of P today and that is now 4k in performance mode and the game looks and feels wonderful, I have no comparison point for that though having only played the demo before.

@Balosi the problem is the numbers don't support you on that.

With physical movies, there are a small dedicated group of people who are buying more than ever but most people aren't. The same is true of games.

I don't believe it has anything to do with people's choice not to play on PC.

The only reason I think it sticks around is because the first company to out and out come out and say 'no more discs' is going to incur the ire of the enthusiast gamer gang and ultimately they are the ones that buy early and kick start a generation. From that point of view you don't want to be the one to tear off that band aid first.

@Orochilocka well it isn't that then! I cannot hear it at all on that video.

@Orochilocka can I ask how old you are?

The link you posted previously about this with the video that supposedly amplified the sound, well I watched it and couldn't hear anything other than the fans.

My hypothesis is that because the sound is high pitched people over a certain age won't be able to hear(you lose the ability to hear high frequencies as you age) it and so mine could be doing it and I'd never know.

@Luna-Harmony that's a recipe for having a tonne of stock left over that you can't shift.

Sony clearly haven't got the numbers right here but they would rather be a bit short and make more than make a load they can't shift.

It is important to consider the context of this as people move further from physical media year on year and that it benefits Sony to have more people buying digital, it is entirely understandable that they wouldn't want to make loads of the drives.

@Boxmonkey was the library much stronger?

It took until 2015 to get the first killer PS4 game in bloodborne and the pro launched in 2016 with showing off Uncharted 4.

It wasn't until 2017 that the first party stuff really got going with Horizon, GT Sport, then 2018 for God of War. Spider-man, the last of us 2, Uncharted Lost legacy, Dreams, Death stranding all launched after the Pro had released.

We have already had Demon's Souls, 2 spider-man games, Horizon FW, God of War Ragnarök, GT 7, Ratchet and Clank, Sack boy, Astrobot, Returnal all before the launch of the Pro supported by the usual third party stuff.

I played around with a few games last night on the new Pro before settling in to Lies of P this morning. Right at the start so we will see if it clicks.

Very much standard Souls stuff so far.

Will likely VR a bit on Pistol Whip and Drums Rock plus I'm considering a new run on Stardew valley with the latest update.

Balatro and Vampire survivors are always a possibility too.

Had my first night with the console trying out games and well....

I'm pretty underwhelmed if i'm honest.

I know there are good things going on under the hood and my games ultimately look and run better but if I'm honest without the side by side it is pretty hard to tell.

I can say every game looks great, how much better than my base model? Not a clue.

My feeling is that right now we have reached the bleeding edge. Yeah you can keep pushing but in reality it isn't going to get much better than this in any meaningful way. Everything else is a nice to have.

Utility is the next frontier with machines like the steamdeck and the Nintendo switch carrying that torch right now.

Younger gamers want to play without the restrictions of needing a tv or being tied to a location.

I imagine they've learned exactly the percentage of players this actually matters to and that in the end those mouthing off don't make as much difference as the Internet makes it seem like they do...

Given the continued love they put into the Witcher III, I have to think CDPR will sneak out a pro patch for Cyberpunk.

It will be in their own sweet time but I'm certain it will come at some stage.

@IamJT totally agree and whatever our experiences we are all playing armchair lawyer without full possession of the facts.

Not to be taken too seriously.

@LavenderShroud and I'm not siding with Pocket Pal. I'm simply saying that throwing your weight around in this way frightens off people working on projects similar to existing IP and so they never evolve.

Much like Pokemon has struggled to do.

@LavenderShroud being done before doesn't necessarily stop someone patenting something though - especially as a lot of IP law ends up being pretty random when it comes to practice.

But it isn't about 1 game. If Nintendo win then every creature capturing mechanic that looks vaguely similar is potentially on the block. Every game where you 'ride a creature' the same.

As I said it is the principle. It stifles creativity and creates fear that if your game strays too close to a game that may influence it, you could lose it all.

@themightyant it's funny that your list of first party games in any other gen would be seen as a real winner but I think the perception is that it somehow doesn't count because those games came on to PS4 too.

I took a bit of a step back and thought through everything I played on my PS5 and in all honesty while I think a few of the IP need a bit of freshening up, I have had a great time this gen and the best of it usually comes in the back half of a consoles life.

@LavenderShroud the reason people are siding with Pocket pal is more to do with the principle of trying to lock down particular game mechanics.

Forever, games have learned from and built off of ideas from other games and often great things have sprouted from that.

What if Nintendo had successfully patented power ups items? Or platforming itself?

What about characters with swords? Or just all elven characters?

Ultimately, it stops anyone else using similar ideas and stops progression and innovation in the industry. Something which already feels at a bit of a low ebb.

@Jacko11 I did some UK patent law for my degree and would agree that some of this on its face appears to struggle legally.

Interestingly though I'm not sure they'd even get the patents for those in the UK. A patent has to be innovative, I.e. something new or an improvement on something old.

I don't think some of this meets that criteria, it is also all a bit general and non-specific, albeit that the actual documents may give more detail.

I does feel like Nintendo throwing their weight around a bit because of the obvious influence pokemon has had on Palworld.

Nintendo need to stop with this. One of the elements they have a patent on is supposedly 'riding creatures in the environment'.

How many games could that cover? Is a horse a creature? What about the robots in Horizon?

Stifling creativity for profit.

@Jacko11 the info on Nintendo Life suggests that there is a parent patent that was filed earlier that means they do have a case.

Might be a regional law though.

@Khwarezm89 there is a filter on the PS+ screen.

If I remember rightly it is under features or something similar so surely it will arrive in other places soon.

I'm getting through the setup phase bit by bit.

I transferred as much data as I could earlier today. Installed a shiny new 2tb ssd and attached an internal sata ssd via a sata/usb bridge to give me almost 6tb to play with.

Now just redownloading the games that weren't in the transfer.

I'm sure I'll get to play sometime this weekend...

No Man's Sky is one of the games I'm downloading overnight tonight.

Looking forward to getting to see how good it looks over the weekend.

Anyone seen if RE4 and Village have had a VR bump yet?

I'll get round to it at some stage. Having 100% the rest of the game i find them a bit random just sticking one on a week.

After getting the two bots I switch it off and go back to whatever else I was doing. I'm usually on there 10 minutes or so.

@JohntheRaptor worked fine for me....

@Mostik yes. Only have 13 minutes to go.

Should get it done in my "lunch break"

Mine is here and the data is transferring...

It is smaller than I thought it would be.

Also, I should be at work.... shhhh, don't tell anyone.

I knew in my heart it was never going to be. Too much of a profit opportunity.

But I had hoped for a sale on some Pro patched games just to kick us off with a bang!

I'll have to add that one to the shopping list then!

This is ultimately why I bought in.

Yes it is compensating for some poor development practices and optimisation but ultimately I feel like we are never going to see the end of 'developer ambitions too much for the hardware.'

And so there will always be a reason to have the better piece of kit.

@cuttlefishjones I expected the PS5 to format the lot too, but according to a Push Square article it can be transferred over.

@Titntin memory doesn't store anything while it is not in use. If the OS was stored in the memory the minute you turned the power off it would vanish from your console.

The suspicion is that the new slower ddr 5 memory is allocated to run the os so the full 16gb ddr 6 is available for running games but this is not the same as storing the OS.

It would be interesting to see if they have just made the os smaller or compressed it better to allow for more of the ssd to be used. A new clean PS5 with the latest OS would tell us.

Nice! I have another 2Tb to drop in day one too, plus my old reliable 2 Tb sata ssd for backwards compatibility.

Should keep me going for a while.

For me it was a simple equation. I had the money I wanted to have the best experience.

I love the visual fidelity of the base PS5 but have become accustomed to playing games at 60fps. If we get the best of both and possibly a bit more as the cherry on top I'm happy.

As for any comparison to PC, I explored my options there and ultimately came back to the same conclusion, that for now I just want to play games on console and the Pro is the best place to do that.

@ItsAlwaysSunnyyy I will be perfectly happy. It is no harder than looking around different web sites to buy physical games... I literally need 2 web pages and I already showed I can beat your prices.

And you don't troll websites, you trawl them.

@__jamiie capitalism at its finest, price matches demand and supply.