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I just don't think this is true... it is an exciting story no doubt but I just don't buy it for a second.

Even the most stupid of execs must see that every live service game you put out is equal parts talent and luck in catching the zeitgeist.

At least something like the Last of Us would have had some good will to get people through the door.

Concord had to be spectacular to make people drop their forever games like Fortnite etc.

@Intr1n5ic you are correct, maybe it was a different currency I was looking at.

Just added it up myself and came in at an approximate £985 so minimum I guess is £1000...

I hope this is a triumph for Bloober... but I have no faith in that developer at all...

I really like the Pro bundle. I think on reflection we are probably looking at £1400+ for this lot. Putting it together without limited edition stuff is £1200.

My only gripe is that the white box is not as nice as the PS1 themed boxes.

Playstation is just the only sensible console buy right now.

Xbox don't seem to know what they are doing with announcements that regularly contradict themselves and now porting big games to the Sony platform.

You just cannot rely on MS supporting their hardware and by extension your library into the future right now.

The thing that seems baffling to me is that most PS gamers are still on PS4 so you immediately rule out over half your base, virtually everyone else who is going to play Horizon already has or at least owns it - Sony did give it away!

I just don't see it making a big impact.

The only thought I have had is that there is a gap in the release schedule and this is purely some filler while they get more games sorted.

@Logonogo cheers mate! I'm still not sure I can really justify that pro... it's a £1000 bundle minimum with another £100 for the disc drive and then more to upgrade the internal storage at some stage....

Still, very nice to have options.

I get a pay rise in October. It will be back dated to April too....

Wonder what I should buy????

@TheDudeKenobi nah, it comes with a disc drive cover for that.

Absolutely not needed and will almost certainly end up in my collection....

I wonder if this was done as a tech exercise building towards the next entry to get used to the PS5.

Surely there aren't enough people asking for this to make it profitable??

@MrPeanutbutterz I grew up with the same games - plus some earlier than that!

I don't relish the old school challenge though, many of those games are just pure practice and memorisation and I don't have the patience for that!

But there is a sweet spot and I am entirely with you that being able to auto pilot through a game isn't fun.

I really liked Astro but I'm glad it wasn't any longer. Funnily enough I have seen people complaining about the challenge levels which were my favourite parts!

Reading a few reviews, I don't think this is for me. Sounds like it is very easy and linear and as such reminds me of playing kirby games which are just become too much of a slog due to the lack of challenge - and I'm not talking about Dark Souls challenge.

Anyway, I think I'll pass.

The subs deal is great if you have all the time in the world, and as a kid I'd have been in my element!

But now, I just add games to a list of the ones I want to buy as they drop off whatever subscription they happen to be on....

Roll back time!

@Kienda this is so true and one of the ways Xbox has been going so wrong.

You need a balance of proper project management, budgeting and working to deadlines as well as all the amazing creative work.

If you lean too far to the business side you get Ubisoft, if you lean too far the other way you end up with the current situation at Rare!

The whole Bungie thing is a disaster and while I understand why they did it I think it was a flawed venture from day 1.

Why take the risk of hundreds of millions in live service games - most of which have to fail, in the hope of finding one or two cash cows when you hold the platform and take in money for no risk when someone else manages to beat the odds and hit the vein of gold??

Just keep making the platform better and giving people a reason to keep playing there and the money will keep rolling in.

@OldGamer999 my only experience has been DLSS in my laptop and on some titles it is transformative in terms of image quality to performance ratio.

Native 4k is so resource intensive it just isn't worth it. Much rather have a higher graphics setting than native 4k.

@OldGamer999 I'm not sure native 4k is on the cards very often and to be honest it is a total waste with the quality of the upscaling tech and the resources that frees up.

@ecurb7 I know that's the situation now but I don't think it will be a justifiable or viable business position in the future.

Why have half a generation where you can't sell a new game to over 50% of your customers - especially when there is little discernable difference between versions?

Of course hardware will eventually drop off the supported list but I think hardware will have more iterations - likely every 3 years or so but older models will be maintained as current longer.

Just my opinion/prediction but it has already started happening - Xbox do it already and PS4 is just refusing to die with releases continuing into 2025.

Clearly people aren't over the sticker shock of the Pro yet....

Sony sure seemsnto have shifted all those extra disc drives it had laying around though!

The comparisons will be intriguing that's for sure.

I'm not sure what we are going to get from this machine, hopefully better than what Sony presented.

I wonder if we are seeing the gradual break down of traditional generations.

As backwards compatibility and carrying over your library from past consoles generations becomes part of the offer and with the differences console to console being increasingly difficult to discern, I think we just have different models of console in the same eco-system that have different performance levels but no longer gate content behind a new piece of hardware.

We have to accept that despite being the most vocal, gamers like the ones that frequent this and other gaming sites are now very much the minority and our tastes and feelings don't drive the industry.

It is obvious that physical media is dying off, that always online games are a normal feature, signing in to publisher services, live service and microtransactions are all going to play a big part in the future of the industry whether we like it or not.

To be honest, I'm surprised the amount sold isn't larger.

The Funko stuff is so weird... I have never seen the appeal, in fact some of them are so bland it is nigh on impossible to tell who they are!

So yeah, this game was never on my radar but to see that it also a bit of a throw back to the shovelware licensed stuff of the past is very sad.

All about the Pistol Whip this month! Plucky Squire looked great in the previews so I hope it turns out well too!

I've been playing MK XL after my Astrobot Platinum last night. There's a contrast between a fun trophy list and a not so fun one!

I'm not sure what to dive into next, I have a tonne of options... maybe ace combat 7 or Star wars squadrons and probably some vr once everyone else has hit the sack.

And that's me done. Platinum collected, 305 bots, all costumes all controllers and all fun.

Brilliant!

I didn't think I was a rogue-like guy but I love all the top 5 they are astounding games!

I must get back to Returnal at some point and really push on through. I absolutely suck at it though.

9 for me, a little behind the very best in the genre in feel and general experience but awesome all the same.

@themightyant cheers for the tag man, I am certain this thing will be a beast and my resolve against buying it will likely vanish once my back dated pay rise drops in October....

@themightyant I had a PS5 disc drive ordered this afternoon in preparation then cancelled it, so I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted.

I suspect that side by side the pro will prove to be wonderful compared to PS5 and XSX I'm not convinced it will feel different enough without the comparison.

I'm a complete hardware w*ore though, absolutely love a new piece of tech and I'm trying to resist because like you the money isn't the issue.

I'd have to build a rig from scratch if I went PC and it just isn't an investment I'm willing to make.

@whitejessegpfc yeah, this is a big factor too. If you are on top of the latest releases you have probably played everything they showed.

And the worst part, The Last of us 2 looked absolutely fantastic on PS4 pro and no one was complaining one little bit.

@RubyCarbuncle good thing to do when this place gets a bit much, look after your mental health mate.

@themightyant now the 'sticker shock' has passed I've come round on the PS5 Pro quite a bit.

It is clearly going to be a very good piece of tech and AI upscaling is an absolute win for saving resources.

People saying they will just get a PC have really not looked into the full cost of that!

But it sounds like we are in the same boat in that it doesn't provide enough value to us to shell out for one.

@NeonMullet I tend to work out a bit of stress with drums rock, or chill out in walkabout golf for the most part.

I am currently playing the 7th Guest which I love.

I will basically buy anything VR, it is in my view an utterly transformative way to play video games and the most interested I have been in ages in games.

I played a bit of RE4 in VR which I was loving, but I can't do the opening wolf fight in village... I keep dropping my gun in the panic!

@themightyant I have completely stopped watching DF videos outside of curios like the Switch.

I think they suck the joy out of gaming and as time has gone on they have had to become increasingly nit-picky to discern any difference between consoles and settings.

And you are right, most of us wouldn't notice for the most part.

I'm sure it will be very good at what it is supposed to do and if you are in that market even the £800 to get the full package is still a decent deal for the hardware it is packing.

That said, it still doesn't make it good value to most and more importantly it does make games more fun.

There's a massive reset coming from somewhere in gaming soon.

Either gamers will need to fork out for more expensive hardware and games or developers will need to make cheaper games which will either be shorter or won't take advantage of the high end kit.

The whole thing is the picture of unsustainability right now.

I love my PSVR 2 and I don't see me upgrading to a wireless version.

The battery life would be my main concern, I can do the whole battery in the controllers in one session and wouldn't want the headset battery - and the weight it carries to limit my play.

Can't wait for Pistol whip next week!

I would probably buy at a lower price point with disc drive included.

But the thing that I really hadn't considered is that they haven't shown anything new at all for the console.

Some of these games already have 2 releases and others are playable on PS4, what is the point?

The should have dropped at least 1 Wolverine image and one GTA 6 image to get everyone fired up!

Being a VR owner with PS+ rules!

Pistol whip!!

If you have two consoles or already have a slim you are selling you could just swap the drive over I guess.

That might be a solution for some who don't want to pay the extra dubloons

I wonder if people are just thinking about spreading the cost a bit? Get the drive now and then pay for the console down the line.

Also, Sony don't have a good record with peripherals. So so many of them just vanish from sale never to be seen again at retail price. I mean who remembers the PS4 back button attachment? So I guess people are buying one just in case.

My argument would be that maybe we don't need a machine that has to be sold at £700 and that the constant push for more power is a simple chasing of profits rather that overall harms the industry.

@dreadpirateflappy I have seen one guy doing a lot of work on it and the resolution tanks to do it.

The other thing is that when they do it officially there is a tonne of testing that needs to go into it because things break.

DS2 had a massive bug that when the frame rate doubled so did the speed of weapon degradation.

With the dust now settled and having slept on it, I think my biggest issue is the disc drive.

If this had dropped at £650 with a disc drive I think I'd have been pretty tempted but the £800 for the full package or be stuck in Sony's digital eco-system is just too much.

Nintendo should come out tomorrow and drop Switch 2 details at £350-£400.

@DrClayman unless they do some background jiggery pokery, that game is forever locked at 30fps.

Never thought I'd see a console modelled on a bendy bus/accordian but always happy to be surprised!

But seriously, I don't have strong feelings either way.