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@TrickyDicky99 being unable to to find a physical copy of a game in week one is depressingly common actually, suppliers underestimate the popularity quite often.

@NEStalgia the quest does have an add on head attachment that makes it a lot more appealing, but like all official quest accessories it's very pricey.

If only the music packs were crossbuy with quest. That'd be enough to get me to buy a psvr2 too. I've bought them all on quest though, and there's no way I'm buying them all again.

Isn't knowing the ping enough? I appreciate that wired does indeed improve your connection, but it doesn't guarantee that it's a good one. A good fast isp and a good router is probably faster than a wired slower isp.

@BlueBeemer what are your opinions on streaming, the supposed evolution of the digital future? Games will not be able to be cracked then.

@thetraditional vita's sleep mode is pretty good, but it definitely doesn't keep going for years, maybe two or three weeks of non use before it gives up. Powering it off completely I assume they meant.

@Gamer_Guy It seems to be the digital only crowd are the ones carrying the hatred. Physical fans are happy for both forms to exist, while digital devotees seem to be insulted by the mere existence of physical games.
You love digital, good for you, not sure how your world will be improved if everyone is forced into the same boat as you though.

Edit: And for the the stuff they listed as the reason for this choice, lets face it the real reason is this game isn't going to sell very many copies either way.

@themightyant premium is great value if you take the PS3 streaming into account, bit I think a lot of people can't/don't. I personally can only stream games if my brother's not home, if I try it when he's here he'll immediately start complaining about his counterstrike ping 😐.

I guess, when you are looking at the subscription screen, premium gets the 'might as well' click as it's not much more than extra. I almost upgraded myself for legend of dragoon, but decided to just buy it instead.

@KaijuKaiser i dont think theres been any sign p5 was deliberately/paid exclusive at the time, more that playstation was the only console it made sense for them to release it on.
Things have changed I guess with persona getting more mainstream since then.

It takes a lot to make a long time mmo player move. simply being newer alone isn't enough.
Look at everquest, that's still going, I think almost as popular as it's 'newer' sequel.
Lotro, for its age is still a well written fun time, packed full of the lore of Tolkien.
Although the audience now is relatively small. It could coexist alongside a newer one for certain, assuming it's allowed to, I don't know what the rights situation is.

@Art_Vandelay it's interesting if there'll be an army of 80+ gamers one day. I'm not so sure, interest tends to start waning in most at 40, complaining about wanting shorter/easier experiences etc, it may be that interest has disappeared altogether by then.

@nessisonett yeah the longevity of MMOs on pc can be amazing. Quite a few have been around over 20 years. It seems you only need a relative handful of dedicated players to keep one going, proof that not everything needs to be mass market.

@nessisonett it is, and it's pretty fun to play. The character models are dated, but the scenery still holds up (imo) looks great in some places.
It's pretty generous for a free to play game to.

I love how square thinks turn based fans problem with real time combat is that it's too hard for them.

@JAMes-BroWWWn I think the average jrpg fan owns both a switch and a ps4/5, which is probably why live a live hasn't done better.
As for final fantasy, I guess each game is charting individually, and people are upset that they missed out on the handful of physical copies that got made.

Hes got a point about ecosystems I guess. Trophies and games you've built make moving away increasingly difficult.
Though Xbox did trophies first.
Playstation did start 'giving away' games before Xbox. Xbox finally followed with games with gold, but the games were never of the same quality if I recall.
Ps+ essentials/games with gold has one big ace over game pass/ps+ extra, you 'keep' every game you claim. The longer you stay a member the more invested you become. The new ones have no such loyalty bonus.
Saying good games wouldn't help is a bit odd though, of course they would.

Judging by eBay, they must have made about 10 copies for PS4. Switch physical seems a lot more available though.

I don't feel the need for one, tbh I'm probably going to have to get a better TV before I start seeing any improvements.
But that said, I don't think it'll hurt to release one for the people that do want it. The PS4 pro didn't hurt the PS4 at all, it's not like it ever became essential. It's just a pricier option for the enthusiasts.

I'm assuming an actual physical run will come eventually, just a bit of double (treble?) dipping.
A fomo limited physical release, then digital sales, then I'm hoping the actual physical store release comes eventually.

@SgtTruth lol what? Sony are popular because people currently like and trust them, and they are nowhere anywhere near any sort of monopoly.
Why should be people be forced away from something they like?

They have a place I think, but they aren't going to be the only way to play anytime soon if ever. It's the same as vr and streaming like that, why does something have to 'take over' or be 'the future' to be considered a success?
They can potentially all exist alongside each other, I don't think any of them are going to remove the way we currently consume games.

I remember a old conversation about AI in fighting games. Talking about how it's easy to just make them unbeatable, because they can react to your key presses instantly.
You basically have to make them fail on purpose to make them beatable.

@AverageGamer noble ideas, but even if Microsoft gets Activision, I can't imagine them wanting to pull resources away from the COD teams, they are still going to want them to pump out as many cod games as possible.

@The_Crow_Chat yeah that's the odd part. Xbox users lose nothing, not sure why they are so emotionally attached to the deal.

@cragis0001 not agreeing with you certainly doesn't mean clueless.

@Jamesblob Microsoft publicly swiping at Britain as a whole is deeply irritating (as a Brit!) It's the headline news on the BBC site at the moment.

@StrickenBiged yeah, jrpgs makers have historically skipped Xbox because (I assume) they aren't a big seller among the Xbox audience.
The only ones Xbox seems to get are ones that get gamepass deals.

I loved the original flashback, think I played it on the megadrive. Even finished it, got pretty easy once you got used to the controls (which took a while admittedly).
I might give a sequel a go, even if things have moved on.

@NEStalgia Nintendo create video games, they are in the same market. It's ridiculous to not count them just because they have a slightly different strategy.
Sony aren't even close to any sort of monopoly.

@NEStalgia how does Sony have a near monopoly? Nintendo and pc are heavy hitters, and Xbox themselves are hardly tiny players.

@RR529 I don't know the details, but pretty sure a company has to pull out of a country altogether if it doesn't want to play by that countries rules.

Microsoft really laying into the UK about this. 'closed for business' , 'reassess growth plans', showing their true colours I guess.

I vaguely remember reading an article back then claiming that square thought basch was too old to be a main character, and they didn't think people would want to play him.
Shame I wouldn't have any idea how to find it now, or even if it's still there.

Seems odd when staff get laid off so quickly after a buyout. Isn't the main purpose of buying a video games company to acquire the staff? I mean what's left without them? A few ips and nobody to do anything with them.

@ShadowofSparta you've kind of got a point I think. I think people who enjoy long sprawling RPGs generally don't have cutting edge photo realistic graphics as a priority. Maybe developers need to aim for specific audiences rather than trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing noone.

@rjejr a piece of paper with a code isn't reusable by others though, at least the 100mb discs, however rubbish, do keep that.

@Konks Netflix/TV is far more passive than games of course, but while sending work emails? Cheaper to just use a radio for background noise.

I've been subscribed to extra since November and the only game I've played a lot is the messenger.
I don't know, the idea is good in theory, but like Netflix you start wondering what you are paying for if you're not even using it.
At least if I buy a game and don't play it (which is silly I know but I still do it) I'm not paying monthly to keep not playing it, and it certainly doesn't get 'cycled out'.

@Toypop resellers forcing themselves into the supply/demand process can push the price up, we seem to only disagree on what artificial inflation means.

@Toypop I'm pretty sure scalpers can artificially push the market value up for some items, buying out the relatively few items that are available and pricing them way higher.
niche items though, where a once quite low price item suddenly rockets without any real explanation. A couple of fairly recent examples, the playstation move, shin megami tensei games.
The ps5 was obviously far more mass market, but with the sheer number of people who got involved in the reselling of it, it probably did force the price higher than pure supply and demand would have.

Hmm, good list but I'd prob put put rogue legacy and super meat boy over some of them there.
Does anyone know what happened to the Braid remaster that was supposed to be coming?

Limited editions are basically investments now. Hugely priced in the first place and go even higher resale, it's mostly just investors selling to investors at this point.
The regular edition 1-6 being made limited is a new low though. I wont be buying those games if it doesn't get a general physical release.

@KaijuKaiser change will bring debate though, 'if it looks good' is very much personal opinion. Nestalgia has been one of the wordier dissenters, but they do represent a lot of people.
Final fantasy is a huge part of a lot of people's lives, they are going to complain if they dont like how it's going, personal opinion isn't gatekeeping.

@KaijuKaiser do you have any interest in dragon quest games. Wanting to annoy an audience just to enjoy the reaction sounds pretty toxic yourself.

@get2sammyb I think more complicated RPGs are making a comeback lately, I don't think it's consistant across the genre any more.
Which is great imo, I love them. They don't have to to sell mega millions, just keep the budget down, most old school RPG fans don't have cutting edge graphics as a priority anyway.
I don't know why square can't make an old school ps1 era style final fantasy game with the budget of something like say octopath traveller. A lot of people would be happy with that.

@Human_Tornado the essential monthly games you keep 'forever' as long as your subscription is active, the extra and premium games you lose access to when they are removed.

@RadioHedgeFund The question is how big an audience is there for playing games regularly in hotels/on the go. Sure there's a small amount of people who appreciate that, but the vast majority don't consider that as something they need.
Take that strength away and there's not much left to sell streaming to people.

It'll only take off if it grabs the younger generations interest I think, it's pretty clear that the vast majority of the current gamers aren't interested.

@truerbluer lots of people enjoy creating 'free content'. Super mario maker, little big planet, Roblox, Fortnite, Minecraft.
People do like building stuff and showing it to the world.