@koverby funnily enough one of the biggest complaints I always hear is how loyalty isn’t rewarded…your internet, tv, phone, even games consoles…all end up offering better deals for new customers. Pretty much every service offers more incentives (perks) to attract new customers…where existing ones don’t have those offered. I think vast majority of those services though don’t place levels of customer care under paywalls. Sony is wanting to charge to literally jump a queue if you have a problem on something they’ve already charged a premium on - you’ve already been charged £10 extra for games. You’ve already paid £450+ for the console…which they’re already raising the price for… and now if you have a problem with either of them they want to charge you extra to get better treatment? And you weirdos are clapping your hands for that. Sony isn’t rewarding loyalty…they rewarding money. This is less a case of ‘the regular at the local bistro gets the table he likes’…it’s more taking two regulars and checking their wallets first before allowing the wealthiest the table… makes business sense for the bistro, but how do you argue that’s good customer service??? If it’s rewarding loyalty then why’s the guy who’s been with PlayStation day1, been paying for psplus etc since the start of last gen, not getting the same perk?…other than he didn’t buy the right amount of games and earn it?
@UltimateOtaku91 The first game is still one of the very few that takes advantage of the dualsense, meaning it actually adds to the gameplay. I imagine this one will be even better use of it. If it wasn’t coming to gamepass I’d get the ps5 version just because of the Dualsense…hard to compete with a day 1 option on gamepass though
@Would_you_kindly thankfully warzone will now be an optional download. I would have definitely got a refund for MW if I could as warzone did ruin the game for me…wasn’t the install size though (that was just an additional pain…especially on ps4), it was that ever update of warzone (which was frequent) deleted progress and texture packs on the campaign…meaning I ultimately gave up on it. Complete crazy way to do mandatory updates
@Would_you_kindly You'd think they'd have worked on tools to be able to patch it...I mean there's no way dreams isn't going to get psvr2 support. If it does I can't really see a reason why at least Sony's other first party couldn't get psvr2 support. Hopefully they don't charge for these upgrades though
Maybe it will depend on the developer for 3rd party. We know no man's sky is getting psvr2 support...I've not heard if they're patching it in to the existing game or charging again for it...I would imagine it be patched. So maybe we just have to rely on other Devs patching it in
@stvevan well yeah obviously backwards compatibility is a big deal. I mean the majority of people on my friends list that have just spent close to 500 on a ps5 are playing PS4 titles on it. The Psplus collection that came with the ps5 is all PS4 titles. And Sony's biggest selling point for premium is playing old games. So I guess there must be a market for playing older titles...at least having the ability to. Sony must see some value in backwards compatibility. Its a shame they didn't extend it to psvr...so people already have that catalog of games that work on it as well as enjoying whatever game they pick up with it
Very disappointing. We all know the PS4 controller works with the ps5. Im not sure if the moves do...but then 99% of psvr games had controller support. They already gave away an adaptor for the camera so it works with ps5... So I can only assume psvr2 will be taking up that port as, if I'm remembering correctly, I don't think you can use the front usb for the camera adaptor?...it's been awhile since I hooked up my psvr.
Just a shame. There's a big difference in following through with 'we believe in generations' and supporting backwards compatibility. Think a lot of people were hoping to sell their psvr to help with the cost of psvr2 - I know I was
@Would_you_kindly I bet Sony will buy a publisher next year though…and not one concern will be raised by all those here under the thought that buying publishers is bad for the gaming industry. Instead they’ll all reason that the publishing house weren’t forced to sell to Sony. That the possibility of studios being closed is probably worse for the gaming industry….etc
@get2sammyb It’s bizarre to me how you’d rather ms had either cod timed exclusive content or cod yearly a timed exclusive…rather than have a guarantee of cod with parity for pretty much the remainder of this generation…with the option to renew the contract next. You’d rather Xbox gamers get year exclusive game modes, early access to maps…than the very slim possibility of cod not coming to PlayStation in 2027? By which point gamepass will probably be an app on every tv. Crazy.
But this isn’t about them not getting cod. It’s about them losing the marketing rights. Which the sooner they do the sooner the better for gaming - timed exclusive/full exclusive 3rd party gameplay content is bad for gaming. Not having cross platform parity in cross platform games is bad for gaming. Regardless of who’s reaping the rewards on the end of it.
Sony knows full well that the biggest earners In this deal for MS isn’t cod.
I don’t think you understand what a community is. They do feel they’re a part of it. You act like the concept of following a team is completely alien to you. Those people that watch their team score celebrate - this is not an unusual thing. When their team loses they often feel disappointed - this is not an unusual thing. When somebody then mocks their team for losing they often feel attacked - again not an unusual thing. At no point have they actually played the game they watched. You’ve never been aware of or experience this?
@Richnj Doesn’t work like that…it’s the same with everything …you can like A sport but still have a team you religiously follow within that sport…and it’s that that offers the sense of community and belonging
@Richnj I think you’re right in what you said, but it can’t just be belittled to these people being loyal to a ‘bit of plastic’…or loyal to a multibillion dollar company that provides them with a ‘bit of plastic’. It’s far deeper than that. It’s not even particularly the games. It’s the community…the community that comes with the ‘bit of plastic’ that most are loyal to…and the community provides them something very important…something that means everything to a lot of people. The plastic is a doorway of finding somewhere where you’re accepted - you can’t really put a price on that, especially if you’ve got not much else going on. So I can understand why you get such passionate fanboys defending anything negative against their platform of choice…they take the attack personal, as an attack on them and their community. And when you’re feeling attacked it’s harder to think rationally and logically…your instinct is to attack back. And thus we have console wars.
I think it’s great! I love reading comments from fanboys both sides. The hypocrisy of both. And I love seeing Sony and Ms publicly drop the vail and show they are in competition with one another. I love seeing how Jim Ryan and Phil Spencer are direct reflections of their platforms fanbases…it’s really interesting to see.
Ryan spitting his dummy out when he can’t get his own way… conveniently forgetting the marketing deals Sony have done to actively prevent cross platform parity. Selective in his memory of the exclusivity deals Sony had/has. And then pretending that Sony cares about ‘the players’ first and foremost.
Spencer, pretending he doesn’t care about exclusivity…that we should all play together regardless of device….and then excited about big acquisitions and exclusive content.
And Bowser…silent. Reflected by Nintendo fanboys (who haven’t had a cod in years) just eating popcorn and enjoying the show.
End of the day cod is guaranteed to be on PlayStation for 6 more years…pretty much the entire gen is a guarantee. That’s 6 more years xbox gamers can’t be offered timed exclusive modes from cod… that seems like a pretty sweet deal when nearly every big AAA 3rd party game Sony gets marketing for offers either exclusive content for PlayStation, or places 1-2years timed exclusivity on it for PlayStation. And…even after those 6 years there’s only the slim possibility you won’t be able to play cod again - the title for the last few years most here have been complaining is rubbish.
In 6 years there’s also the possibility gamepass will be on PlayStation…on your tv. It’s already on your phone, tablet, pc. There’s no need now to ever miss out on cod let alone in 6 years time…
It’s just all hilarious. I especially love those that say they’d rather timed exclusivity than MS buying a whole publisher - like activision was forced to sell to Microsoft and wouldn’t have ended up closing studios or being sold to somebody else who definitely wouldn’t have offered guarantees for 6 year cross platform support. Oh how I wish MS had just paid a couple of billion to get every cod going forward as a years timed exclusivity instead…so I could have read all your happy posts.
Fact is Cod is just a small part of this deal…not even the part that’s going to make them the most money.
It’s all very interesting. You know children are usually the products of their upbringing…if their parents are foul mouthed morons then the kids usually are. It’s easy enough to see.
Jim Ryan here comes across the same way the majority of the PlayStation fanbase comes across online… that whole ‘it’s not fair’ when they don’t get their own way…whilst being selective and hypocritical in remembering sonys past and present business deals.
They also both pretend sony has gamers best interests in mind first and foremost…when they’ve done nothing this generation so far that has suggested they put gamers first.
Where as Phil pretends he wants everyone playing together in some gaming utopia where we’re all holding hands…yet then gets excited over exclusive content and big power moves…echoed by the majority of the Xbox fanbase online.
Funny.
Meanwhile Bowsers just keeping quiet and getting on with it. Nintendos fanbase just keeping quiet and getting on with it.
@riceNpea I’d love to see how Sony would treat EA licences…if something like a Medal of Honor would be made exclusive. Or if games like battlefield would hold parity. How fans on both sides would react and move goalposts.
I do think what a lot are forgetting with these big publisher acquisitions is that nobody forced them to sell …they sold for a reason. And if this deal doesn’t go through it’s going to be interesting to see what happens to some of activision and blizzards studios.
@stvevan It would have to be the next 3 iterations of GTA, as it’s not an annual release…which would take them through probably the next 3 generations. Not a bad deal.
Not surprised people can’t discern Xbox fans with just gaming fans here though
@IOI Sony should save their pennies and attempt to buy EA…have them bring back the medal of honour series…it’s been long enough. That and battlefield are established games in the fps market and could give cod a run for its money. Sony has always done one thing far better than MS - market games. Cods ‘unwavering domination’ as this feared possible future exclusive to Xbox relies just as much on Xbox getting the message out that its home to cod as it does the cod name alone. Xbox are only good at marketing themselves online…outside of the internet they barely make their presence known these days. If you have Medal of Honor and battlefield posted everywhere you could probably see that market share shift and them pretty quickly catch up to cod level sales
One would hope though MS would put a greater marketing touch behind the property than they have with their other titles these last few years
@get2sammyb heh yeah I imagine everybody would be happier here if MS just bought cod as timed exclusive this gen…or even a year or two exclusivity per cod. Long as PlayStation gets it! …rather than a guarantee they get it day one for the next 5 years with no differences (no timed exclusive content)…and then 6 years from now face a possibility it will only be available on Xbox and gamepass.
Take it to court. Let’s see all the skeletons come out for both Sony and MS…I guarantee both don’t want that.
Sonys principle of buying timed exclusivity modes and content in cod is the only thing that’s definitely going to take a hit when this deal goes through…and even then they’ll still be able to carry those principles for another 2 years. Add 3 years contracted cod on top - sounds like a fair deal. If Xbox is making money and subs during the next 5 years then why would they pull it from PlayStation. Hopefully they’ll just throw Xbox gamers a bone and allow them to play stuff early and have timed exclusive content…can’t really complain about that
@BartoxTharglod I dunno man…when you’re reaching for games over 20years old it sounds pretty uncommon to me.
Like I said, to me sequels are direct continuations of a story arc. Those set in the same universe I don’t personally count as direct sequels…Bioshock infinite I don’t see as a direct sequel to bioshock 2. If I played it without playing 2 I wouldn’t miss out on any background context. Where as bioshock 1 and 2 add to one another. Zelda games, unless playing direct sequels, can all exist without one another. Breath of the wild 2 is a direct sequel though that you’ll benefit from playing the first prior. I do agree there’s cannon there though, and re-occurring characters. But for me they exist in their own bubble.
Yeah it’s definitely not a rule that they’re all the same. But expectations are set by experience…it’s very rare sequels differ much…particularly if they’re on the same engine. I mean as crazy as it is to think sequels can’t drastically change from game to game…imagine how wild a franchise would be if every iteration of a continued story like say Last of Us differed drastically from game to game - cell shaded Last of us 3 where Ellie can now fly…I don’t think anybody would be expecting that!
Aliens is definitely a sequel to alien. The tones different but it doesn’t exist in a vacuum…still distinctively Alien
@BartoxTharglod How are we defining sequels? To me a sequel is a direct continuation of a story - I’m not sure Breath of the wild was that? Zelda iterations are generally their own game …so can differ wildly in art style and gameplay from one to the next. Breath of the wild 2 next year is a direct sequel…I don’t expect it to look like wind waker or links awakening. I do expect it to bring new gameplay to the table though.
God of war 2018 is a continuation of the god of war story. I’d class that as a sequel. I’d class it’s complete distinctiveness to god of war 3 as a rarity though. Tbh I can’t think off the top of my head of another game that has a continued story that looks distinctly different (other than texture resolution quality) than the one that came before it. I guess maybe resident evil 7 and 8…but then they’re contained in their own story arch within that universe…where as god of war 2018 is still kratos continued story.
Basically God of war 2018 was very special indeed. So I agree with the sentiment that ‘sequels are more of the same’…the doesn’t mean we shouldn’t want them to be different (in this case I know you don’t), but because it’s such a rarity the expectation on them being different is probably more of a given…regardless of the different direction 2018 took to god of war 3
@Ooccoo_Jr One thing I’d really like to see is a return of the giant boss battles…that’s the only thing I really felt missing in God of war 2018. I’d love at least one encounter with a boss the size of a mountain!
I think what ‘works best for the industry’ and what ‘works best for gamers’ doesn’t always go hand in hand. For me, timed exclusivity consisting of anything over a year is just an archaic tactic that I’d really like to see us move away from. Gamers don’t really win here (of course those that get the game earlier benefit…till the next game they have to wait an extra year for), we’re just basically being told one set of gamers is valued over the other. With actual third party exclusives it brings more value to a platform, has a better chance of growing a platforms install base…which then leads to said platforms ecosystem also growing…which then leads to bigger investments…which then leads to gamers of said platform reaping more rewards. A years timed though…I just find it more alienating. I’ve all platforms, so it’s not like I have to miss out. But I do find myself thinking…ok, I could get say Deathloop today…or i could wait a year and get possibly a more polished version…with possible additional content…by which point there’s no longer any buzz around the game. If I’ve just the one platform, that’s being asked to wait an extra year, I’m likely going to be thinking screw those guys…otherwise I’m waiting a year to be charged £70/60 for something that by that point is probably £20/15 on the other platform.
I think there’s valid point to known 3rd party ip being made exclusive or timed exclusive to one platform - I don’t think it should be a case of either or…I don’t think any exclusivity should be attached. But even in that waters get muddied. Take spiderman. The licence of spiderman has been in multi platform games since as far back as I can remember on the NES. The Xbox has had loads of spiderman games. The spiderman games on PlayStation are first party…so it can’t be expected they not be exclusive. But the existence of spiderman has been present on everything. In this case it would be cool if MS could make their own spiderman game for Xbox gamers…but they can’t, because Sony has made a deal with Disney for those marvel rights for spiderman games…and now doing the same with wolverine.
So then you get to a point where it comes down to alls fair in love and war. Sometimes we’ll think we’re winning and get established franchises like street fighter exclusive…sometimes we’ll end up losing and get established franchises like elder scrolls possibly taken away. It’s all business… you just gotta hope alternatives are invested in, or barriers of entry to play another platforms games are lowered.
@Royalblues Yeah next year is going to be interesting. I reckon Spiderman 2 is a pretty certain release...and wouldn't be surprised if we see at least one of Sony's GAAS games...I mean the last of us multiplayer is a pretty safe bet. And of course their deals with Square will do some of the heavy lifting next year with forsaken, FF games
@Intr1n5ic Well of course you haven't visited pure Xbox...you don't own an Xbox or subscribe to gamepass...they sure do take up a lot of your thoughts though...
I thought sony had a subscription service too... But gamepass isn't sustainable anyway, so stop worrying so much about it!
Not all games cost the same to produce? Why are all Sony's £70?
@Intr1n5ic Ah you're correct, it's the series s that has the smaller harddrive compared to the series x. Both ps5 consoles have 667gb of available space.
What you're not correct in is that the ps5 digital was a direct response to the series s...it's a response to the market. Microsoft and gamepass aren't leading where the market goes...they just realised where it's going earlier than Sony has. You're offered a dedicated digital console because the markets moving more towards digital sales. You're getting pc ports, more focus on subscription services, more focus on mobile support and games as a service, because that's where the markets going. With or without gamepass the market is moving towards more focus on streaming content.
Heh how much more work do you think ps5 versions of cross gen games need to warrant a £10 extra price difference? Why do you think publishers that aren't billion dollar companies are not raising the price of their games to £70? Aren't charging £10 for upgrades? How big do you think the market was 5 generations back compared to how it is today? If it's the cost of game production then why aren't Sony's games £70 across the board? Has less work gone into pc releases with all their additional graphical options and and support for various hardware?
If I was talking about £70 games and questioning the reasoning for that 15 months ago...and still doing now, then it probably means we still are being asked to pay £70 for cross gen games without any valid reasons given.
Yep you got me, I'm Phil Spencer. Actually, if I was I'd probably be telling you how great PlayStation is right now wouldn't I? No, every comment I've made on here and pure Xbox has been balanced without bias. Its just well....Sony just seems to attract negative news this gen so far...far more so than MS...the comments reflect that. But you're welcome to go through all my messages on pure Xbox too if it makes you feel any better...bit odd, but whatever helps you out.
@Intr1n5ic Well different ssd is probably the most costly one.
Why do I keep using the £500 figure when talking about barrier of entry? Because when I spoke of the barrier of entry for gamepass it was in reference to the possible benefits subscription services could bring (as you’re focused on the negatives)…amongst that list of benefits was the removal of having to pay £500 for the hardware to play new games. You then moved the goal posts…took it out of its context, and turned it into me claiming there would be no barrier at all so you could say…”but but what about the cost of”… There’s always going to be some barrier of entry - paying for the sub, paying for electricity… but the point was you won’t need new expensive hardware to play new games.
N64 games were expensive because of the silicon in the cartridges. PlayStation first party ps5 games are expensive because?… they’re crossgen games. Sony is literally charging for pc settings…and then releasing pc versions with more settings at a cheaper price. That’s why Sony charging for £70 is harder to defend than way back with games like Virtua racing on the mega drive came out at £70.
Games don’t get put on gamepass for free. Look into how much money these devs are getting from MS. Also devs get paid per milestone of downloads/players. End of the day, if the service is bad for devs they can opt out of putting their content on gamepass…nobody is forcing them. They can’t however prevent you from trading in your games. I’m not saying you’re wrong to trade in your games…just pointing out there’s a bit of hypocrisy there that you’re so concerned what gamepass/subscriptions will do to harm gaming…yet you want to keep the option of something that’s directly proven to harm gaming.
Quality is subjective. Netflix have just wrapped up Better call saul…invested 6 seasons in it. To me it’ll probably be the best thing I’ll watch this year. But let’s not over look that their exclusive content contributes to the likes of Prime investing in exclusive content (you probably wouldn’t get things like The Boys without that investment). Or Disney + bringing things like Pinocchio straight to the service. Or investing in the awesome Beatles abbey road sessions documentary.
Yes, your whole point has been ‘what ifs’…mainly unfounded. And a waste of energy.
Of course you don’t actually have an Xbox or gamepass subscription… I never for one second thought you did
@Intr1n5ic nah that’s not me being defensive…that’s me pointing out holes in your logic. It’s nothing personal this end at all.
The differences with the ps5 digital isn’t just the removal of the disc drive.
Ah, you’re doing the whole ‘moving the goalposts’ thing huh… yes, gamepass will need some form of technology to work on. The point was you wont be required to spend £500 on a new console to have access to it - as you know. Odds are you didn’t buy your tv for the Netflix app…Netflix just happened to come with it - that’s what they want with gamepass… odds are you will already have the technology available to you right this very second that is capable of running the gamepass app.
Correct. Pentiment is a niche game…it’s not going to be selling gamepass subs. MS/phil Spencer will of course know this. But again, you’re doing the moving goalposts thing… The point was gamepass allows for the investment in these niche games as they’re lower risk than they would be publishing them physical. It’s very doubtful they’ll be a physical release of Pentiment…which will prove the point that’s trying to be made to you.
I was indeed the first to highlight halo. Your concerns were games being rushed out and quality on gamepass…fact is, so far you only have halo to point to - a game that got delayed a whole year…it wasn’t rushed. A game that gamepass had no effect on quality or budget …it had a huge budget. A game that is the product of 343 and bad management…just like halo 5 and the master chief collection was before it. The most vocal backlash though that it’s getting is mainly focused on its f2p multiplayer and how that as a live service game is being handled - this is a game that exists outside of any subscription service. Nothing to do with gamepass.
What confuses me about you concerned how gamepass is harming the gaming industry…yet also concerned you won’t be able to trade in your games? …hmmm I’d love to see the numbers of trade ins since £70 games
The cancel button…as well as all the other subscription services like prime, nowtv, Disney+, has no doubt contributed in Netflix investing more and more in their own exclusive content in effort to keep subscribers. I do find it funny that you’re ‘concerned’ today on gamepass clamping down on subscription sharing the week they announce a family and friends package…
I also find it funny that you guys that are so concerned about gamepass being so successful that it results in the way you play games…are also ‘concerned’ about the quality of games on gamepass…concerned that games are rushed to be on the service…yet also ‘concerned’ you’re still waiting for games to come to the service…
@Would_you_kindly Sony already uses their Azure servers don’t they?
Also, if subscription and cloud gaming becomes the future of gaming (which it ultimately one day will) you know what will happen?…more alternative subscription and cloud gaming services. Maybe Sony and Nintendo will have to change at that point…maybe they’ll become 3rd party publishers like sega. But what wont happen is gamepass being the only option. Not a chance. They can have all the wealth they want, they still need a decent product with decent management behind it. And like I said, gamers can vote with their wallets.
@SolaceCreed There’s no blinkers here friend. Just trying to have a logical balanced conversation with someone who so far is concerned gamepass will one day offer a cheaper version where games look worse - like we’re not already seeing that with hardware and crossgen games. Also concerned that gamepass will harm the gaming industry…yet at the same time concerned that they wont be able to trade in games. And who still isn’t over Xbox ‘pretending’ they had exclusivity over a persona game for 48hrs…that was exclusive to a PlayStation platform for years.
@Intr1n5ic lol Ark??? Out of ‘all the console launch exclusives’ announced? Ok yeah, how dare they get timed exclusivity for a GAAS game - ps only owners definitely win there!
‘Create the illusion’…we’re talking about persona right? The games that were exclusive to PlayStation platforms for GENERATIONS…and you’re upset they wanted 48hrs to get the message out those games are coming to Xbox before that message gets over shadowed that they’re also coming to Nintendo and PlayStation too? Wow that’s some insecurities right there…
Wait, you think the ps5 digital was designed and released because Xbox announced the series s??? I’m not sure that’s how it really works
The whole point of gamepass is removing barriers of entry - this is why Xbox is putting so much effort in offering gamepass outside of the constraints of an Xbox… you have the option of digesting it the same way you can Netflix - through an app on any technology that supports it. The technology that supports it is only going to grow as the gen goes on. Next gen the barrier of entry to play gamepass isn’t going to be a £500 console…it’s already not.
Of course the production of games has an impact on game design. On devs being able to take risks. You of course already know that marketing budgets are taken into account. That it costs money producing these physical packages, storing them, shipping them, paying all that work on that.
Just do the tiniest bit of reading to learn about Pentiment…what it meant to the dev, and why it’s being made - it’s not because MS insisted obsidian work on an indie game, behave.
I didn’t say Sony didn’t allow kojima creativity…that’s your insecurities coming out again. I said cloud gaming is offering him creativity. One doesn’t cancel out the other. The cloud is allowing him to bring out something new - a new experience for gamers should be a good thing.
The main complaints levelled at halo are towards the f2p portions of the game that functions outside of gamepass.
But it’s hilarious that you think I remove Phil Spencer’s responsibility over the state of halo when I’ve been called a pony before now on pure Xbox for questioning phils management. Good job 👍
Bingo! You can’t offer concerns over quality yet…must make you wonder why you spend so much effort being concerned over something that hasn’t happened yet…one may almost call you paranoid…
But I do enjoy how you guys speak like you thought every Xbox first party game was a 10/10 before the existence of gamepass 👍
It’s all irrational. You’re scared that ‘Xbox has no games’ suddenly has games? Yet you’re fine with PlayStation having exclusives?
You’re concerned about the harm gamepass will do to the gaming industry…yet at the same time concerned you can’t trade in your games??!
Look at it like this, are Google a struggling company? Did stadia take over the world and destroy gaming for you?
If people don’t like something they don’t part money for it. People seem to like gamepass though…but you know the best benefit of a subscription service? It’s not a huge upfront investment…it’s a monthly one. You don’t like it? Don’t like the quality it puts out? Then you simply hit this button called ‘cancel subscription’…and because it’s so easy to hit that button do you think that’s more or less incentive to put out quality games?
@Intr1n5ic scared that Xbox will own a sizeable chunk of the industry and it’s catalogue??! Jesus man, you really do live in fear huh. Be more concerned about gaming if we’re still playing that same IPs by the time your dooms day happens. Personally I’d hope this gen will bring about some new ip. Some new franchises, rather than just regurgitating the old.
Also, imagine the cheapest option only allows to to play games at a lower quality?…we have that now without the need of a subscription service. It’s called the Xbox series s! It’s called crossgen games!!! So if we’re getting that with hardware today…why are you worried about getting the option with subscription services in the future?? Today is showing you that without subscription services the future of gaming would still get cheaper entry level options! 🤦🏻♂️
@Intr1n5ic What established IPs we’re shown as being console launch exclusive at the June event?
I did notice that Xbox is finally getting persona games…
Oh no, did MS want an announcement on their stage to gain some attention before it being announced as coming to PlayStation too?…that’s completely comparable to Sonys marketing deals. As is having new indie games timed exclusive for windows of what? 3 months…totally compared to having AAA year long timed exclusivity.
You guys seem to carry this paranoia about Xbox whilst choosing to ignore what’s going on with the gaming landscape as whole everywhere. Case in point, you’re concerned about what gamepass will mean for physical??? And what impact it will have on the second hand market??… you realise Sony started this gen releasing a digital only console right? You understand why they would do that right? - that digital sales are far higher than physical sales now…. You realise how things have changed from the start of last gen? The second hand market and physical sales are ultimately going to be left behind by the vast majority of players regardless of gamepass - just as the vast majority stream music and movies now. That’s just the way technology evolves. Next gen the landscape is going to look different again…and will be more catered towards easy access of games. It won’t remove the option of physical content completely …just as Spotify hasn’t removed the option of owning physical albums completely.
Instead of worrying about how gamepass could possibly negatively effect gaming in 7+years time…have you ever once thought about how gaming could be positively effected? Have you ever once imagined how if a service like xcloud keeps evolving it would mean not having to spend £500 as a barrier of entry to play these games. Days of 2year old consoles having price rises would never happen. Never having to wait for game downloads, never having to wait for patches to download. Never having to uninstall games to make room for new ones. Never having to pay £100s to increase harddrive size. Not having to make a choose between visuals and resolution!
It would also mean publishers don’t have to take greater risks on new more innovative ip…won’t have to spend millions marketing and getting the games produced/packaged/put on store shelves.
It would mean more indie games affording to put out their games. It would mean more AAA studios being able to take risks and put out different games.
These things are already starting to happen. Look at Obsidians next Xbox game Pentiment - a AAA studio doesn’t get to put out a game like that without a service like gamepass behind it.
Look at kojimas xbox game…the cloud allowing him more freedom in creativity to bring us something new.
You can dwell in fear of what gamepass means to gaming if you like. But there’s plenty of positives it can bring to ensure gaming grows too.
Also…paranoid about quality and games being rushed out? Why??! Has gamepass shown you a drop in quality and rushed out releases? They had more day 1 releases titles in the GOTY conversations last year than any other. They’ve had no AAA games this year because they’ve delayed them.
Even halo infinite had a years extra delay. Had one of the biggest budgets ever behind it. It’s quality on release had nothing to do with it being on a subscription…had everything to do with 343 and poor management.
@Danimal25 So far we’ve not seen that from MS…maybe we will see they lock established ip as exclusive. The only ones we’ve seen do that so far has been Sony. So then if Sony are doing that with ip that has been established multi platform…then maybe the perimeters of what is competitive changes?
So far we’ve also seen from Sony the locking of a years worth timed exclusivity with new ip. And timed and full exclusivity of additional content in 3rd party multi platform games…this does not ensure parity. This directly ensures ‘’worse terms’ for the competition that the UK board apparently now has a problem with over the possibility of MS doing the same. That to me is pretty crazy.
Tbh as a gamer I’d rather games be actually exclusive than see one platform buy a years exclusivity over the other. I’m lucky enough to own all platforms…I don’t need to miss out on anything. But gamers aren’t really winning with these deals - the ones that get it a year early usually get the version that comes with bugs. Could have had that money spent on actual exclusives that add actual long term value to their console purchase.
Those that have to wait a year are basically being told they’re not as valued to the publisher but give me your money anyway. Don’t get to enjoy the hype or the moment.
And let’s be honest, paying to keep a game off another console for a year is pretty petty and slimy tactic.
Exclusivity you at least know where you stand. Yeah it would suck for PlayStation only gamers if doom is now only available on Xbox. It sucked for Xbox only owners that sf, ff, and spiderman games (look up how many spiderman games the 360 got), we’re only on PlayStation.
I just hope whatever MS decide to do with existing ip they’re clear about it…if it’s exclusive then say it’s exclusive
@SerJosh97 I've never seen one 'xbot' act like deathloop and ghostwrite are their exclusives...everybody is aware that Sony paid for a years exclusivity on them...and planned to do the same with starfield, and no doubt fallout elder Scrolls etc.
@Robocod You know what Xbox gamers love...they love it when games they used to get like street fighter and final fantasy were made exclusive to PS4. They love it now that Spiderman license games are no longer on Xbox. They really love it when AAA third party games get exclusive content on PlayStation yet they're charged the same price for their games. They especially love that they won't get to reap the rewards of the Bethesda over a year after because PlayStation has year long timed exclusivity on Bethesda games... they're kicking themselves the same thing didn't get to happen with starfield.
Jesus, it's like you guys don't want Xbox competitive this gen. That you want sony having no competition so they get to raise console and game prices more - they've literally told you it's because of Xbox the price of the ps5 is staying the same in the states. They've literally added extra value to their subscription services because of Xbox. They may one day even offer us free cloud saves! Can you imagine?...or what about cross platform games...so you don't have to buy the same game again on pc? Could happen...especially as we get close to day and date releases.
How have you gone so long without already having a Hotmail account?
@Would_you_kindly had so much fun playing co op split screen on 360...that's why I'm personally disappointed halo infinite has ditched it's split screen plans. Always good times with mates
@Intr1n5ic Yeah but it then comes down to the value proposition of gamepass once they do eventually raise the price right? Don't forget, Sony has added to that value by pushing the price point for new releases at £70...so if you're getting AAA games like cod, like starfield, forza, gears, ect on it day 1 as part of your subscription the value to the subscriber increases. If you're still just getting the promise of those games coming then yeah, a price rise today of gamepass should get a backlash...especially against the backdrop of a global financial crisis. A backlash of gamepass increasing its price in a even a years time though? Depends on how much, and if we're still struggling to afford even turning on our consoles.
But yeah, all subscription services increase in price eventually...that's not unprecedented. How many times did the price of plus increase last gen?
@Would_you_kindly the spec ops modes for cod they had a year exclusivity on? That was really good in co op from the little I played of it. And I loved spec ops mode back in the 360 days…specially in split screen
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Re: Sony Gates Customer Service Priority Behind New PS Stars Program
@koverby funnily enough one of the biggest complaints I always hear is how loyalty isn’t rewarded…your internet, tv, phone, even games consoles…all end up offering better deals for new customers. Pretty much every service offers more incentives (perks) to attract new customers…where existing ones don’t have those offered.
I think vast majority of those services though don’t place levels of customer care under paywalls.
Sony is wanting to charge to literally jump a queue if you have a problem on something they’ve already charged a premium on - you’ve already been charged £10 extra for games. You’ve already paid £450+ for the console…which they’re already raising the price for… and now if you have a problem with either of them they want to charge you extra to get better treatment? And you weirdos are clapping your hands for that.
Sony isn’t rewarding loyalty…they rewarding money.
This is less a case of ‘the regular at the local bistro gets the table he likes’…it’s more taking two regulars and checking their wallets first before allowing the wealthiest the table… makes business sense for the bistro, but how do you argue that’s good customer service??? If it’s rewarding loyalty then why’s the guy who’s been with PlayStation day1, been paying for psplus etc since the start of last gen, not getting the same perk?…other than he didn’t buy the right amount of games and earn it?
Good customer service should never be a ‘perk’.
Re: Sony Gates Customer Service Priority Behind New PS Stars Program
@Jeaz ah that’s how they’re gonna do it…they’re going to compare it to plane seats 🙃
Re: Sony Gates Customer Service Priority Behind New PS Stars Program
Just when you thought Sonys ‘anti-consumer’ image couldn’t get any worse…
How on earth are the Sony faithful going to defend this one? Will be impressive to see
Re: Returnal PC Port a Foregone Conclusion as Settings Menu Leaks
Customisable raytracing? Jesus, how much is this going to cost? …
Re: A Plague Tale: Requiem Harnesses the Power of the PS5 to Bring Your Nightmares to Life
@UltimateOtaku91 The first game is still one of the very few that takes advantage of the dualsense, meaning it actually adds to the gameplay. I imagine this one will be even better use of it.
If it wasn’t coming to gamepass I’d get the ps5 version just because of the Dualsense…hard to compete with a day 1 option on gamepass though
Re: Interview: Why Asymmetrical Multiplayer Is Perfect for The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
Looking forward to this. And will be playing it day 1. Hopefully they’ll have the whole family there, not just Leatherface
Re: The World Is Drowning in Rats in A Plague Tale: Requiem's Latest Story Trailer
First was excellent… but let’s just hope there’s not cart cover levels in this one!
Really looking forward to playing this day 1
Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Warzone 2.0 to Be Separate But Integrated Installs
@Would_you_kindly thankfully warzone will now be an optional download. I would have definitely got a refund for MW if I could as warzone did ruin the game for me…wasn’t the install size though (that was just an additional pain…especially on ps4), it was that ever update of warzone (which was frequent) deleted progress and texture packs on the campaign…meaning I ultimately gave up on it. Complete crazy way to do mandatory updates
Re: Hotly Anticipated Indie Hollow Knight: Silksong Confirmed for PS5, PS4
@Neverwild This isn't anytime...as it didn't happen 🤔🙄
Re: Hotly Anticipated Indie Hollow Knight: Silksong Confirmed for PS5, PS4
@Neverwild 🙄
It was also announced for switch
Re: PSVR2 Isn't Backwards Compatible with PSVR Games, Sony Confirms
@Would_you_kindly You'd think they'd have worked on tools to be able to patch it...I mean there's no way dreams isn't going to get psvr2 support. If it does I can't really see a reason why at least Sony's other first party couldn't get psvr2 support. Hopefully they don't charge for these upgrades though
Maybe it will depend on the developer for 3rd party. We know no man's sky is getting psvr2 support...I've not heard if they're patching it in to the existing game or charging again for it...I would imagine it be patched. So maybe we just have to rely on other Devs patching it in
Re: PSVR2 Isn't Backwards Compatible with PSVR Games, Sony Confirms
@stvevan well yeah obviously backwards compatibility is a big deal. I mean the majority of people on my friends list that have just spent close to 500 on a ps5 are playing PS4 titles on it. The Psplus collection that came with the ps5 is all PS4 titles. And Sony's biggest selling point for premium is playing old games. So I guess there must be a market for playing older titles...at least having the ability to. Sony must see some value in backwards compatibility. Its a shame they didn't extend it to psvr...so people already have that catalog of games that work on it as well as enjoying whatever game they pick up with it
Re: PSVR2 Isn't Backwards Compatible with PSVR Games, Sony Confirms
Very disappointing. We all know the PS4 controller works with the ps5. Im not sure if the moves do...but then 99% of psvr games had controller support. They already gave away an adaptor for the camera so it works with ps5... So I can only assume psvr2 will be taking up that port as, if I'm remembering correctly, I don't think you can use the front usb for the camera adaptor?...it's been awhile since I hooked up my psvr.
Just a shame. There's a big difference in following through with 'we believe in generations' and supporting backwards compatibility. Think a lot of people were hoping to sell their psvr to help with the cost of psvr2 - I know I was
Re: Sony Won't Let Microsoft's $69 Billion Activision Acquisition Go, Stresses It's Bad for Gaming
@Would_you_kindly I bet Sony will buy a publisher next year though…and not one concern will be raised by all those here under the thought that buying publishers is bad for the gaming industry. Instead they’ll all reason that the publishing house weren’t forced to sell to Sony. That the possibility of studios being closed is probably worse for the gaming industry….etc
Re: Sony Won't Let Microsoft's $69 Billion Activision Acquisition Go, Stresses It's Bad for Gaming
@get2sammyb It’s bizarre to me how you’d rather ms had either cod timed exclusive content or cod yearly a timed exclusive…rather than have a guarantee of cod with parity for pretty much the remainder of this generation…with the option to renew the contract next. You’d rather Xbox gamers get year exclusive game modes, early access to maps…than the very slim possibility of cod not coming to PlayStation in 2027? By which point gamepass will probably be an app on every tv.
Crazy.
But this isn’t about them not getting cod. It’s about them losing the marketing rights. Which the sooner they do the sooner the better for gaming - timed exclusive/full exclusive 3rd party gameplay content is bad for gaming. Not having cross platform parity in cross platform games is bad for gaming. Regardless of who’s reaping the rewards on the end of it.
Sony knows full well that the biggest earners In this deal for MS isn’t cod.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Make of Microsoft and Sony's Call of Duty Quarrel?
I don’t think you understand what a community is. They do feel they’re a part of it. You act like the concept of following a team is completely alien to you. Those people that watch their team score celebrate - this is not an unusual thing. When their team loses they often feel disappointed - this is not an unusual thing. When somebody then mocks their team for losing they often feel attacked - again not an unusual thing.
At no point have they actually played the game they watched. You’ve never been aware of or experience this?
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Make of Microsoft and Sony's Call of Duty Quarrel?
@Richnj nah, the teams the platform. The games would be the players
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Make of Microsoft and Sony's Call of Duty Quarrel?
@Richnj Doesn’t work like that…it’s the same with everything …you can like A sport but still have a team you religiously follow within that sport…and it’s that that offers the sense of community and belonging
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Make of Microsoft and Sony's Call of Duty Quarrel?
@Richnj I think you’re right in what you said, but it can’t just be belittled to these people being loyal to a ‘bit of plastic’…or loyal to a multibillion dollar company that provides them with a ‘bit of plastic’. It’s far deeper than that. It’s not even particularly the games. It’s the community…the community that comes with the ‘bit of plastic’ that most are loyal to…and the community provides them something very important…something that means everything to a lot of people. The plastic is a doorway of finding somewhere where you’re accepted - you can’t really put a price on that, especially if you’ve got not much else going on.
So I can understand why you get such passionate fanboys defending anything negative against their platform of choice…they take the attack personal, as an attack on them and their community. And when you’re feeling attacked it’s harder to think rationally and logically…your instinct is to attack back. And thus we have console wars.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Make of Microsoft and Sony's Call of Duty Quarrel?
I think it’s great! I love reading comments from fanboys both sides. The hypocrisy of both. And I love seeing Sony and Ms publicly drop the vail and show they are in competition with one another.
I love seeing how Jim Ryan and Phil Spencer are direct reflections of their platforms fanbases…it’s really interesting to see.
Ryan spitting his dummy out when he can’t get his own way… conveniently forgetting the marketing deals Sony have done to actively prevent cross platform parity. Selective in his memory of the exclusivity deals Sony had/has. And then pretending that Sony cares about ‘the players’ first and foremost.
Spencer, pretending he doesn’t care about exclusivity…that we should all play together regardless of device….and then excited about big acquisitions and exclusive content.
And Bowser…silent. Reflected by Nintendo fanboys (who haven’t had a cod in years) just eating popcorn and enjoying the show.
End of the day cod is guaranteed to be on PlayStation for 6 more years…pretty much the entire gen is a guarantee. That’s 6 more years xbox gamers can’t be offered timed exclusive modes from cod… that seems like a pretty sweet deal when nearly every big AAA 3rd party game Sony gets marketing for offers either exclusive content for PlayStation, or places 1-2years timed exclusivity on it for PlayStation.
And…even after those 6 years there’s only the slim possibility you won’t be able to play cod again - the title for the last few years most here have been complaining is rubbish.
In 6 years there’s also the possibility gamepass will be on PlayStation…on your tv. It’s already on your phone, tablet, pc. There’s no need now to ever miss out on cod let alone in 6 years time…
It’s just all hilarious. I especially love those that say they’d rather timed exclusivity than MS buying a whole publisher - like activision was forced to sell to Microsoft and wouldn’t have ended up closing studios or being sold to somebody else who definitely wouldn’t have offered guarantees for 6 year cross platform support.
Oh how I wish MS had just paid a couple of billion to get every cod going forward as a years timed exclusivity instead…so I could have read all your happy posts.
Fact is Cod is just a small part of this deal…not even the part that’s going to make them the most money.
I really hope this goes to court
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
It’s all very interesting. You know children are usually the products of their upbringing…if their parents are foul mouthed morons then the kids usually are. It’s easy enough to see.
Jim Ryan here comes across the same way the majority of the PlayStation fanbase comes across online… that whole ‘it’s not fair’ when they don’t get their own way…whilst being selective and hypocritical in remembering sonys past and present business deals.
They also both pretend sony has gamers best interests in mind first and foremost…when they’ve done nothing this generation so far that has suggested they put gamers first.
Where as Phil pretends he wants everyone playing together in some gaming utopia where we’re all holding hands…yet then gets excited over exclusive content and big power moves…echoed by the majority of the Xbox fanbase online.
Funny.
Meanwhile Bowsers just keeping quiet and getting on with it. Nintendos fanbase just keeping quiet and getting on with it.
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
@riceNpea No idea, the last one was a VR game…maybe that will come to psvr2 and shine some light on the licence again
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
@riceNpea I’d love to see how Sony would treat EA licences…if something like a Medal of Honor would be made exclusive. Or if games like battlefield would hold parity. How fans on both sides would react and move goalposts.
I do think what a lot are forgetting with these big publisher acquisitions is that nobody forced them to sell …they sold for a reason. And if this deal doesn’t go through it’s going to be interesting to see what happens to some of activision and blizzards studios.
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
@stvevan It would have to be the next 3 iterations of GTA, as it’s not an annual release…which would take them through probably the next 3 generations. Not a bad deal.
Not surprised people can’t discern Xbox fans with just gaming fans here though
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
@riceNpea imagine if they get this contract secured…even extended, to have cod on their platform all gen. And then it’s announced Sony buys EA…
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
@IOI Sony should save their pennies and attempt to buy EA…have them bring back the medal of honour series…it’s been long enough. That and battlefield are established games in the fps market and could give cod a run for its money. Sony has always done one thing far better than MS - market games. Cods ‘unwavering domination’ as this feared possible future exclusive to Xbox relies just as much on Xbox getting the message out that its home to cod as it does the cod name alone. Xbox are only good at marketing themselves online…outside of the internet they barely make their presence known these days. If you have Medal of Honor and battlefield posted everywhere you could probably see that market share shift and them pretty quickly catch up to cod level sales
One would hope though MS would put a greater marketing touch behind the property than they have with their other titles these last few years
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
@get2sammyb heh yeah I imagine everybody would be happier here if MS just bought cod as timed exclusive this gen…or even a year or two exclusivity per cod. Long as PlayStation gets it!
…rather than a guarantee they get it day one for the next 5 years with no differences (no timed exclusive content)…and then 6 years from now face a possibility it will only be available on Xbox and gamepass.
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
Take it to court. Let’s see all the skeletons come out for both Sony and MS…I guarantee both don’t want that.
Sonys principle of buying timed exclusivity modes and content in cod is the only thing that’s definitely going to take a hit when this deal goes through…and even then they’ll still be able to carry those principles for another 2 years. Add 3 years contracted cod on top - sounds like a fair deal. If Xbox is making money and subs during the next 5 years then why would they pull it from PlayStation. Hopefully they’ll just throw Xbox gamers a bone and allow them to play stuff early and have timed exclusive content…can’t really complain about that
Re: God of War Ragnarok Gameplay Video Reveals New Realm Svartalfheim
@BartoxTharglod I dunno man…when you’re reaching for games over 20years old it sounds pretty uncommon to me.
Like I said, to me sequels are direct continuations of a story arc. Those set in the same universe I don’t personally count as direct sequels…Bioshock infinite I don’t see as a direct sequel to bioshock 2. If I played it without playing 2 I wouldn’t miss out on any background context. Where as bioshock 1 and 2 add to one another.
Zelda games, unless playing direct sequels, can all exist without one another. Breath of the wild 2 is a direct sequel though that you’ll benefit from playing the first prior.
I do agree there’s cannon there though, and re-occurring characters. But for me they exist in their own bubble.
Yeah it’s definitely not a rule that they’re all the same. But expectations are set by experience…it’s very rare sequels differ much…particularly if they’re on the same engine. I mean as crazy as it is to think sequels can’t drastically change from game to game…imagine how wild a franchise would be if every iteration of a continued story like say Last of Us differed drastically from game to game - cell shaded Last of us 3 where Ellie can now fly…I don’t think anybody would be expecting that!
Aliens is definitely a sequel to alien. The tones different but it doesn’t exist in a vacuum…still distinctively Alien
Re: God of War Ragnarok Gameplay Video Reveals New Realm Svartalfheim
@BartoxTharglod How are we defining sequels? To me a sequel is a direct continuation of a story - I’m not sure Breath of the wild was that? Zelda iterations are generally their own game …so can differ wildly in art style and gameplay from one to the next. Breath of the wild 2 next year is a direct sequel…I don’t expect it to look like wind waker or links awakening. I do expect it to bring new gameplay to the table though.
God of war 2018 is a continuation of the god of war story. I’d class that as a sequel. I’d class it’s complete distinctiveness to god of war 3 as a rarity though. Tbh I can’t think off the top of my head of another game that has a continued story that looks distinctly different (other than texture resolution quality) than the one that came before it.
I guess maybe resident evil 7 and 8…but then they’re contained in their own story arch within that universe…where as god of war 2018 is still kratos continued story.
Basically God of war 2018 was very special indeed. So I agree with the sentiment that ‘sequels are more of the same’…the doesn’t mean we shouldn’t want them to be different (in this case I know you don’t), but because it’s such a rarity the expectation on them being different is probably more of a given…regardless of the different direction 2018 took to god of war 3
Re: God of War Ragnarok Gameplay Video Reveals New Realm Svartalfheim
@Ooccoo_Jr One thing I’d really like to see is a return of the giant boss battles…that’s the only thing I really felt missing in God of war 2018. I’d love at least one encounter with a boss the size of a mountain!
Re: Microsoft, Sony Signed Agreement to Keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 'Several More Years' Beyond Current Contract
I think what ‘works best for the industry’ and what ‘works best for gamers’ doesn’t always go hand in hand. For me, timed exclusivity consisting of anything over a year is just an archaic tactic that I’d really like to see us move away from. Gamers don’t really win here (of course those that get the game earlier benefit…till the next game they have to wait an extra year for), we’re just basically being told one set of gamers is valued over the other.
With actual third party exclusives it brings more value to a platform, has a better chance of growing a platforms install base…which then leads to said platforms ecosystem also growing…which then leads to bigger investments…which then leads to gamers of said platform reaping more rewards.
A years timed though…I just find it more alienating. I’ve all platforms, so it’s not like I have to miss out. But I do find myself thinking…ok, I could get say Deathloop today…or i could wait a year and get possibly a more polished version…with possible additional content…by which point there’s no longer any buzz around the game.
If I’ve just the one platform, that’s being asked to wait an extra year, I’m likely going to be thinking screw those guys…otherwise I’m waiting a year to be charged £70/60 for something that by that point is probably £20/15 on the other platform.
I think there’s valid point to known 3rd party ip being made exclusive or timed exclusive to one platform - I don’t think it should be a case of either or…I don’t think any exclusivity should be attached.
But even in that waters get muddied. Take spiderman. The licence of spiderman has been in multi platform games since as far back as I can remember on the NES. The Xbox has had loads of spiderman games. The spiderman games on PlayStation are first party…so it can’t be expected they not be exclusive. But the existence of spiderman has been present on everything.
In this case it would be cool if MS could make their own spiderman game for Xbox gamers…but they can’t, because Sony has made a deal with Disney for those marvel rights for spiderman games…and now doing the same with wolverine.
So then you get to a point where it comes down to alls fair in love and war. Sometimes we’ll think we’re winning and get established franchises like street fighter exclusive…sometimes we’ll end up losing and get established franchises like elder scrolls possibly taken away. It’s all business… you just gotta hope alternatives are invested in, or barriers of entry to play another platforms games are lowered.
Re: Supermassive Games' Next Title in Development, Could Stray from Teen Horror Genre
These guys never rest!
Re: Microsoft, Sony Signed Agreement to Keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 'Several More Years' Beyond Current Contract
@Royalblues Yeah next year is going to be interesting. I reckon Spiderman 2 is a pretty certain release...and wouldn't be surprised if we see at least one of Sony's GAAS games...I mean the last of us multiplayer is a pretty safe bet.
And of course their deals with Square will do some of the heavy lifting next year with forsaken, FF games
Re: Microsoft, Sony Signed Agreement to Keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 'Several More Years' Beyond Current Contract
@Intr1n5ic Well of course you haven't visited pure Xbox...you don't own an Xbox or subscribe to gamepass...they sure do take up a lot of your thoughts though...
I thought sony had a subscription service too... But gamepass isn't sustainable anyway, so stop worrying so much about it!
Not all games cost the same to produce? Why are all Sony's £70?
Ah...you're one of those...
Psst Gamepass is fantastic! 😘
Re: Microsoft, Sony Signed Agreement to Keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 'Several More Years' Beyond Current Contract
@Intr1n5ic Ah you're correct, it's the series s that has the smaller harddrive compared to the series x. Both ps5 consoles have 667gb of available space.
What you're not correct in is that the ps5 digital was a direct response to the series s...it's a response to the market. Microsoft and gamepass aren't leading where the market goes...they just realised where it's going earlier than Sony has.
You're offered a dedicated digital console because the markets moving more towards digital sales. You're getting pc ports, more focus on subscription services, more focus on mobile support and games as a service, because that's where the markets going. With or without gamepass the market is moving towards more focus on streaming content.
Heh how much more work do you think ps5 versions of cross gen games need to warrant a £10 extra price difference?
Why do you think publishers that aren't billion dollar companies are not raising the price of their games to £70? Aren't charging £10 for upgrades?
How big do you think the market was 5 generations back compared to how it is today?
If it's the cost of game production then why aren't Sony's games £70 across the board?
Has less work gone into pc releases with all their additional graphical options and and support for various hardware?
If I was talking about £70 games and questioning the reasoning for that 15 months ago...and still doing now, then it probably means we still are being asked to pay £70 for cross gen games without any valid reasons given.
Yep you got me, I'm Phil Spencer. Actually, if I was I'd probably be telling you how great PlayStation is right now wouldn't I?
No, every comment I've made on here and pure Xbox has been balanced without bias. Its just well....Sony just seems to attract negative news this gen so far...far more so than MS...the comments reflect that. But you're welcome to go through all my messages on pure Xbox too if it makes you feel any better...bit odd, but whatever helps you out.
Re: Microsoft, Sony Signed Agreement to Keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 'Several More Years' Beyond Current Contract
@Intr1n5ic Well different ssd is probably the most costly one.
Why do I keep using the £500 figure when talking about barrier of entry? Because when I spoke of the barrier of entry for gamepass it was in reference to the possible benefits subscription services could bring (as you’re focused on the negatives)…amongst that list of benefits was the removal of having to pay £500 for the hardware to play new games. You then moved the goal posts…took it out of its context, and turned it into me claiming there would be no barrier at all so you could say…”but but what about the cost of”…
There’s always going to be some barrier of entry - paying for the sub, paying for electricity… but the point was you won’t need new expensive hardware to play new games.
N64 games were expensive because of the silicon in the cartridges. PlayStation first party ps5 games are expensive because?… they’re crossgen games. Sony is literally charging for pc settings…and then releasing pc versions with more settings at a cheaper price. That’s why Sony charging for £70 is harder to defend than way back with games like Virtua racing on the mega drive came out at £70.
Games don’t get put on gamepass for free. Look into how much money these devs are getting from MS. Also devs get paid per milestone of downloads/players. End of the day, if the service is bad for devs they can opt out of putting their content on gamepass…nobody is forcing them.
They can’t however prevent you from trading in your games.
I’m not saying you’re wrong to trade in your games…just pointing out there’s a bit of hypocrisy there that you’re so concerned what gamepass/subscriptions will do to harm gaming…yet you want to keep the option of something that’s directly proven to harm gaming.
Quality is subjective. Netflix have just wrapped up Better call saul…invested 6 seasons in it. To me it’ll probably be the best thing I’ll watch this year.
But let’s not over look that their exclusive content contributes to the likes of Prime investing in exclusive content (you probably wouldn’t get things like The Boys without that investment). Or Disney + bringing things like Pinocchio straight to the service. Or investing in the awesome Beatles abbey road sessions documentary.
Yes, your whole point has been ‘what ifs’…mainly unfounded. And a waste of energy.
Of course you don’t actually have an Xbox or gamepass subscription… I never for one second thought you did
Re: Microsoft, Sony Signed Agreement to Keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 'Several More Years' Beyond Current Contract
@Intr1n5ic nah that’s not me being defensive…that’s me pointing out holes in your logic. It’s nothing personal this end at all.
The differences with the ps5 digital isn’t just the removal of the disc drive.
Ah, you’re doing the whole ‘moving the goalposts’ thing huh… yes, gamepass will need some form of technology to work on. The point was you wont be required to spend £500 on a new console to have access to it - as you know. Odds are you didn’t buy your tv for the Netflix app…Netflix just happened to come with it - that’s what they want with gamepass… odds are you will already have the technology available to you right this very second that is capable of running the gamepass app.
Correct. Pentiment is a niche game…it’s not going to be selling gamepass subs. MS/phil Spencer will of course know this. But again, you’re doing the moving goalposts thing… The point was gamepass allows for the investment in these niche games as they’re lower risk than they would be publishing them physical. It’s very doubtful they’ll be a physical release of Pentiment…which will prove the point that’s trying to be made to you.
I was indeed the first to highlight halo. Your concerns were games being rushed out and quality on gamepass…fact is, so far you only have halo to point to - a game that got delayed a whole year…it wasn’t rushed. A game that gamepass had no effect on quality or budget …it had a huge budget. A game that is the product of 343 and bad management…just like halo 5 and the master chief collection was before it.
The most vocal backlash though that it’s getting is mainly focused on its f2p multiplayer and how that as a live service game is being handled - this is a game that exists outside of any subscription service. Nothing to do with gamepass.
What confuses me about you concerned how gamepass is harming the gaming industry…yet also concerned you won’t be able to trade in your games? …hmmm
I’d love to see the numbers of trade ins since £70 games
The cancel button…as well as all the other subscription services like prime, nowtv, Disney+, has no doubt contributed in Netflix investing more and more in their own exclusive content in effort to keep subscribers.
I do find it funny that you’re ‘concerned’ today on gamepass clamping down on subscription sharing the week they announce a family and friends package…
I also find it funny that you guys that are so concerned about gamepass being so successful that it results in the way you play games…are also ‘concerned’ about the quality of games on gamepass…concerned that games are rushed to be on the service…yet also ‘concerned’ you’re still waiting for games to come to the service…
You’re all over the place friend.
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@Would_you_kindly Sony already uses their Azure servers don’t they?
Also, if subscription and cloud gaming becomes the future of gaming (which it ultimately one day will) you know what will happen?…more alternative subscription and cloud gaming services. Maybe Sony and Nintendo will have to change at that point…maybe they’ll become 3rd party publishers like sega. But what wont happen is gamepass being the only option. Not a chance.
They can have all the wealth they want, they still need a decent product with decent management behind it.
And like I said, gamers can vote with their wallets.
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@SolaceCreed There’s no blinkers here friend.
Just trying to have a logical balanced conversation with someone who so far is concerned gamepass will one day offer a cheaper version where games look worse - like we’re not already seeing that with hardware and crossgen games.
Also concerned that gamepass will harm the gaming industry…yet at the same time concerned that they wont be able to trade in games.
And who still isn’t over Xbox ‘pretending’ they had exclusivity over a persona game for 48hrs…that was exclusive to a PlayStation platform for years.
Just another day in paradise
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@Intr1n5ic lol Ark??? Out of ‘all the console launch exclusives’ announced? Ok yeah, how dare they get timed exclusivity for a GAAS game - ps only owners definitely win there!
‘Create the illusion’…we’re talking about persona right? The games that were exclusive to PlayStation platforms for GENERATIONS…and you’re upset they wanted 48hrs to get the message out those games are coming to Xbox before that message gets over shadowed that they’re also coming to Nintendo and PlayStation too? Wow that’s some insecurities right there…
Wait, you think the ps5 digital was designed and released because Xbox announced the series s??? I’m not sure that’s how it really works
The whole point of gamepass is removing barriers of entry - this is why Xbox is putting so much effort in offering gamepass outside of the constraints of an Xbox… you have the option of digesting it the same way you can Netflix - through an app on any technology that supports it. The technology that supports it is only going to grow as the gen goes on. Next gen the barrier of entry to play gamepass isn’t going to be a £500 console…it’s already not.
Of course the production of games has an impact on game design. On devs being able to take risks. You of course already know that marketing budgets are taken into account. That it costs money producing these physical packages, storing them, shipping them, paying all that work on that.
Just do the tiniest bit of reading to learn about Pentiment…what it meant to the dev, and why it’s being made - it’s not because MS insisted obsidian work on an indie game, behave.
I didn’t say Sony didn’t allow kojima creativity…that’s your insecurities coming out again. I said cloud gaming is offering him creativity. One doesn’t cancel out the other. The cloud is allowing him to bring out something new - a new experience for gamers should be a good thing.
The main complaints levelled at halo are towards the f2p portions of the game that functions outside of gamepass.
But it’s hilarious that you think I remove Phil Spencer’s responsibility over the state of halo when I’ve been called a pony before now on pure Xbox for questioning phils management. Good job 👍
Bingo! You can’t offer concerns over quality yet…must make you wonder why you spend so much effort being concerned over something that hasn’t happened yet…one may almost call you paranoid…
But I do enjoy how you guys speak like you thought every Xbox first party game was a 10/10 before the existence of gamepass 👍
It’s all irrational. You’re scared that ‘Xbox has no games’ suddenly has games? Yet you’re fine with PlayStation having exclusives?
You’re concerned about the harm gamepass will do to the gaming industry…yet at the same time concerned you can’t trade in your games??!
Look at it like this, are Google a struggling company? Did stadia take over the world and destroy gaming for you?
If people don’t like something they don’t part money for it. People seem to like gamepass though…but you know the best benefit of a subscription service? It’s not a huge upfront investment…it’s a monthly one. You don’t like it? Don’t like the quality it puts out? Then you simply hit this button called ‘cancel subscription’…and because it’s so easy to hit that button do you think that’s more or less incentive to put out quality games?
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@Intr1n5ic scared that Xbox will own a sizeable chunk of the industry and it’s catalogue??! Jesus man, you really do live in fear huh. Be more concerned about gaming if we’re still playing that same IPs by the time your dooms day happens. Personally I’d hope this gen will bring about some new ip. Some new franchises, rather than just regurgitating the old.
Also, imagine the cheapest option only allows to to play games at a lower quality?…we have that now without the need of a subscription service. It’s called the Xbox series s! It’s called crossgen games!!! So if we’re getting that with hardware today…why are you worried about getting the option with subscription services in the future?? Today is showing you that without subscription services the future of gaming would still get cheaper entry level options! 🤦🏻♂️
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@Intr1n5ic What established IPs we’re shown as being console launch exclusive at the June event?
I did notice that Xbox is finally getting persona games…
Oh no, did MS want an announcement on their stage to gain some attention before it being announced as coming to PlayStation too?…that’s completely comparable to Sonys marketing deals. As is having new indie games timed exclusive for windows of what? 3 months…totally compared to having AAA year long timed exclusivity.
You guys seem to carry this paranoia about Xbox whilst choosing to ignore what’s going on with the gaming landscape as whole everywhere. Case in point, you’re concerned about what gamepass will mean for physical??? And what impact it will have on the second hand market??… you realise Sony started this gen releasing a digital only console right? You understand why they would do that right? - that digital sales are far higher than physical sales now…. You realise how things have changed from the start of last gen? The second hand market and physical sales are ultimately going to be left behind by the vast majority of players regardless of gamepass - just as the vast majority stream music and movies now. That’s just the way technology evolves. Next gen the landscape is going to look different again…and will be more catered towards easy access of games. It won’t remove the option of physical content completely …just as Spotify hasn’t removed the option of owning physical albums completely.
Instead of worrying about how gamepass could possibly negatively effect gaming in 7+years time…have you ever once thought about how gaming could be positively effected? Have you ever once imagined how if a service like xcloud keeps evolving it would mean not having to spend £500 as a barrier of entry to play these games. Days of 2year old consoles having price rises would never happen. Never having to wait for game downloads, never having to wait for patches to download. Never having to uninstall games to make room for new ones. Never having to pay £100s to increase harddrive size. Not having to make a choose between visuals and resolution!
It would also mean publishers don’t have to take greater risks on new more innovative ip…won’t have to spend millions marketing and getting the games produced/packaged/put on store shelves.
It would mean more indie games affording to put out their games. It would mean more AAA studios being able to take risks and put out different games.
These things are already starting to happen. Look at Obsidians next Xbox game Pentiment - a AAA studio doesn’t get to put out a game like that without a service like gamepass behind it.
Look at kojimas xbox game…the cloud allowing him more freedom in creativity to bring us something new.
You can dwell in fear of what gamepass means to gaming if you like. But there’s plenty of positives it can bring to ensure gaming grows too.
Also…paranoid about quality and games being rushed out? Why??! Has gamepass shown you a drop in quality and rushed out releases? They had more day 1 releases titles in the GOTY conversations last year than any other. They’ve had no AAA games this year because they’ve delayed them.
Even halo infinite had a years extra delay. Had one of the biggest budgets ever behind it. It’s quality on release had nothing to do with it being on a subscription…had everything to do with 343 and poor management.
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@Fiendish-Beaver Yeah I honestly don’t know why anyone could automatically assume Sony would offer parity to destiny
Nothing Sony has shown had told me they’re interested in parity between the two consoles
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@Danimal25 So far we’ve not seen that from MS…maybe we will see they lock established ip as exclusive. The only ones we’ve seen do that so far has been Sony. So then if Sony are doing that with ip that has been established multi platform…then maybe the perimeters of what is competitive changes?
So far we’ve also seen from Sony the locking of a years worth timed exclusivity with new ip. And timed and full exclusivity of additional content in 3rd party multi platform games…this does not ensure parity. This directly ensures ‘’worse terms’ for the competition that the UK board apparently now has a problem with over the possibility of MS doing the same. That to me is pretty crazy.
Tbh as a gamer I’d rather games be actually exclusive than see one platform buy a years exclusivity over the other. I’m lucky enough to own all platforms…I don’t need to miss out on anything. But gamers aren’t really winning with these deals - the ones that get it a year early usually get the version that comes with bugs. Could have had that money spent on actual exclusives that add actual long term value to their console purchase.
Those that have to wait a year are basically being told they’re not as valued to the publisher but give me your money anyway. Don’t get to enjoy the hype or the moment.
And let’s be honest, paying to keep a game off another console for a year is pretty petty and slimy tactic.
Exclusivity you at least know where you stand. Yeah it would suck for PlayStation only gamers if doom is now only available on Xbox. It sucked for Xbox only owners that sf, ff, and spiderman games (look up how many spiderman games the 360 got), we’re only on PlayStation.
I just hope whatever MS decide to do with existing ip they’re clear about it…if it’s exclusive then say it’s exclusive
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@SerJosh97 I've never seen one 'xbot' act like deathloop and ghostwrite are their exclusives...everybody is aware that Sony paid for a years exclusivity on them...and planned to do the same with starfield, and no doubt fallout elder Scrolls etc.
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@Robocod You know what Xbox gamers love...they love it when games they used to get like street fighter and final fantasy were made exclusive to PS4. They love it now that Spiderman license games are no longer on Xbox. They really love it when AAA third party games get exclusive content on PlayStation yet they're charged the same price for their games.
They especially love that they won't get to reap the rewards of the Bethesda over a year after because PlayStation has year long timed exclusivity on Bethesda games... they're kicking themselves the same thing didn't get to happen with starfield.
Jesus, it's like you guys don't want Xbox competitive this gen. That you want sony having no competition so they get to raise console and game prices more - they've literally told you it's because of Xbox the price of the ps5 is staying the same in the states. They've literally added extra value to their subscription services because of Xbox. They may one day even offer us free cloud saves! Can you imagine?...or what about cross platform games...so you don't have to buy the same game again on pc? Could happen...especially as we get close to day and date releases.
How have you gone so long without already having a Hotmail account?
Re: Microsoft, Sony Signed Agreement to Keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 'Several More Years' Beyond Current Contract
@Would_you_kindly had so much fun playing co op split screen on 360...that's why I'm personally disappointed halo infinite has ditched it's split screen plans. Always good times with mates
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@Intr1n5ic Yeah but it then comes down to the value proposition of gamepass once they do eventually raise the price right? Don't forget, Sony has added to that value by pushing the price point for new releases at £70...so if you're getting AAA games like cod, like starfield, forza, gears, ect on it day 1 as part of your subscription the value to the subscriber increases. If you're still just getting the promise of those games coming then yeah, a price rise today of gamepass should get a backlash...especially against the backdrop of a global financial crisis. A backlash of gamepass increasing its price in a even a years time though? Depends on how much, and if we're still struggling to afford even turning on our consoles.
But yeah, all subscription services increase in price eventually...that's not unprecedented. How many times did the price of plus increase last gen?
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@Would_you_kindly the spec ops modes for cod they had a year exclusivity on? That was really good in co op from the little I played of it. And I loved spec ops mode back in the 360 days…specially in split screen