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@naruball A remaster isn't just when they do the bare minimum and increase the resolution and frame rate. A remaster is when they take the original game and increase the quality of the product.

A remake is when they build everything completely from scratch.

Part 1 is still the former, not the latter. If you want to be generous, you can call it an enhanced remaster.

@nessisonett No it doesn't. I'm getting big "don't criticise our work" vibes.

@get2sammyb Well the game has gone gold. I think he's saying "don't be mean to us, we worked hard on it". And if he is saying there are better assets on the way, well then he'd be admitting the game isn't finished yet.

Ubisoft use to be the one of my favourite publishers during the 6th and 7th gens. Can't believe how hard these big publishers have fallen.

I'd like to just throw out my last words here, because with the gameplay out, I think the convo is done now.

I am fully in favour of remasters. Without a doubt. I'd love more remasters. They are a great way to preserve a game, and it's relatively cheap. Plenty of PS360 games (and before) that could benefit from remasters.

I'm even fully in favour of remakes. There are thousands of titles from the 6th gen and before that could benefit from full remakes.

I'd even argue that in some cases, I could make an arguement for both a remaster and a remake of a game. If it's part of the same package, and the goal of the dev is preserve and revitalise a dead franchise, then that's ok.

But not like this. This is a remaster of a 7th gen game that has already recieved a remaster, and they are charging full price for it. Now either, this second remaster has spent a lot of time and money on this title, which could have been better spent on other titles that haven't already recieved one remaster, let alone two. Or this version has been cheaper and quicker to produce and the full price tag isn't warranted.

Can we all agree now that this is in fact a 2nd remaster, and not a remake?

@theMEGAniggle For what it's worth, I'm sorry that I was right.

@theMEGAniggle "If the gameplay is similar to TLOU 2 (what everyone is expecting) then that's plenty of improvement?"

When did ND say that Part 1 will have part 2 gameplay?, because I've been going back and can only find ND saying "modernised gameplay" which is rather vague. The whole part 2 gameplay comes from the fanbase's wishlist. So..

"You're trusting the words of a leaker against the words of ND"

I'm taking the words of someone who has seen the game against the lack of words of ND and the wishful thinking of the fanbase.

"Its a Rockstar situation, people don't have to see gameplay to know its going to be good."

Forgetting that Rockstar released the GTA trilogy in a state for a moment, it's not about the gameplay being good, it's about the gameplay being a significant and price worthy improvement over the original. Again, if it's not, then anyone who is currently claiming that the original isn't good enough, and needs this overhaul, will have played themselves.

If the leaker is correct, then we are going to see a lot of people complaining about putting down £70 for a PS5 remaster, or trying to pivot and justify the content being "worth the money" and "the gameplay holding up really well still" even though they once argued otherwise.

@zupertramp Yeah, "pipped to the post" is brand new to me too.

@theMEGAniggle "It is a new version of the game made for people who want to play it, and don't want to play a 9 year old PS3 game!"

The leaker of the above video said that there are no gameplay improvements beyond animations and audio. And Part 1 comes out in less than 2 months, and they've shown zero gameplay.

As things stand, it seems highly likely that you will actually be playing a 9 year old PS3 game, with PS5 graphics, and paying £70 for the privilage.

It just seems odd that people are lining up to pay £70 for a game they've not actually seen, but are convinced it will be worth it because they know it's derived from the original game, but also, that original game is not worth the £16 that the PS4 version costs and needs a new version, because it's old.

@zupertramp https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pipped+to+the+punch

Even google melts down at that one.

@Neomic "Even if it's the same game on the surface, the underlying technology is rebuilt from the new engine. That's a remake"

Is COD: Modern Warfare Remastered, a remake or a remaster?

@LiamCroft @ryanburnsred @ErrantRob

It's also interesting that this leak is yet another cutscene, which is in line with what ND has officially released regarding the remake.

Surprised that the rogue leaker wouldn't go for some actual gameplay with the new gameplay additions.

I'm glad we've all gotten over our cross gen derangement.

Definitely glad I let my premium expire. That tier really isn't worth it. I'll just buy the ps1 games as they come. Better value for me that way.

They should remake Uncharted 1-3 and charge £70 for each of those too.

Really test people's willingness to pay top dollar for spruced up content.

@Bismarck "I can't help but feel that because it was their first release in the interactive drama genre, people view it with rose-colored glasses."

"We were able to overlook flaws and shortcuts back when they started making these games"

"The Quarry were on par with UD"

"they haven't improved at all since 2015"

It's not my ability to read. Why you so angry?

@jFug I love how the response to you says they disagree, but then proceeds to confirm everything you said.

Seems like nobody remembers Rage then.

That footage has really put me in the mood to go back and play it again. I still have the Nightmare modes to do on 360 and PS3.

Casual reminder that Rockstar alone (not including 2k) has 9 studios, and the main one that does GTA, Rockstar North, has over 650 staff.

And all of them are seemingly on GTA6.

@zupertramp https://uk.pcmag.com/games/140871/the-last-of-us-remake-proves-that-generational-graphics-leaps-are-dead

As an example. For a game that was on PS3 and now coming to PS5, it shouldn't even be in question. I don't remember people being confused about the Demon's Souls remake. There are shots, like the clicker, where it's easy to see, but then shots, especially those including Ellie and Joel, where it's not obvious. Maybe if you have good knowledge of tech or the original game. If you are just the average gamer, you can't tell.

The original game is available on PS4 and PS5. So this new version isn't about availability or people who never played the original.

I've seen average people struggle to tell which shot is the new version and which is the old. So it's not about graphics.

The original story is highly regarded, so I doubt it's about fixing that.

The game is only from 2013. I know games twice that age that hold up incredibly well with their gamrplay, so I wouldn't argue it was that.

And if it was about getting to know the PS5 architecture, well a free TLOU2 upgrade is right there, and doesn't charge people £70 for the tech demo.

Remasters should be used to keep a game alive. Remakes should be used to fix things that were broken. And under no circumstances should a 9 year old game need both.

The real reason is that they are maximising that £70 price tag against the upcoming TV show, and hardcore consumers. It's a cash grab.

@The_Moose "By the way adding the word "social" before another word doesn't mean anything. Democracy is democracy."

By this logic, it's impossible for communism to have invaded the UK, since we are a democracy with a market economy.

A Social Democracy is literally just a market economy with stronger social safety nets to prevent undue suffering. You are essentialising the terms to avoid any kind of nuance or criticism of capitalism.

@The_Moose But socialist and communist policies are the exact opposite of neolib capitalist ideas. From Thatcher through to Boris (that includes both sides), we have had neolib leaders. They didn't expand or maintain socialist policies because they were communists. That kind of thinking makes zero sense. So if we have neolib leaders, how can we also have had an expansion of welfare as you claim?

They do it because they are the only thing keeping the country from collapsing under neolib policies. When businesses refuse to pay people the kind of wages they need to survive, the choices are 1) find the money elsewhere (the state) or 2) die. And since people dying from starvation en mass is both a bad look for the Government and bad for the companies that rely on those people, Governments kind of have to step in and help.

You can pass the blame off all you want, but that just maintains the current system. You're choices are 1) blindly blame communism until neolib capitalism collapses under its own weight, and it is potentially replaced by full communism, or 2) stop demonising the state's role in managaing society and find a balance of the two systems, like Social Democracy.

@The_Moose "Besides the UK currently has the highest tax burden in 70 years. It seems the Communists have already invaded."

We've literally been run by neo-Liberal capitalists for the past 40 years.

A bike fall meme with the capitalist rider going "bloody communists!" would go really well here.

@Cikajovazmaj But you said the game was DOA. If people weren't paying full price on launch, why would they pay full price for the following year and beyond?

10 sales at £30 is better than one sale at £60, no?

@Cikajovazmaj Because devaluing your IP through sales is a myth. Mostly spread by Nintendo fans defending Nintendo's over pricing of titles.

Putting Deathloop on a sale now can maximise sales before the full price launch on Xbox. This can help form an audience for the IP before it moves to being exclusive to Xbox. And it's only going to go on GP when it hits xbox.

Taking away the wrong lessons from a failure is par for the course over in the games industry.

Imagine being so clueless, so lacking in self criticism, and so arrogant, that you can burn someone's steak, and conclude they don't like steak when they complain about it.

@Zombiechris I'm just gonna leave you to your unprompted RE3 remake hissy fits.

I feel like there'd be plenty of third party devs who'd step in to remaster the original games, and create a sequel, even if it was just a budget entry.

It's not even like you'd be milking these franchises doing this, since it's been 8 years since the last Infamous, and 9 since the last Sly.

@Zombiechris That's a pretty big self own right there. I haven't responded to this in over a week, and you come back, unprompted, to tell me to move on?

IDK, maybe take your own advice?

@Robocod People singled you out because of the contradictory response to both these games. You are simultaneously saying that two years is worth the wait to hopefully have fixed XIII, while also saying that Night Dive is taking too long because it's been six days.

"Has Microids response been speedy? Not exactly....but if they've built a "new" port from the ground up,then it'll hopefully live up to things."

"That their only acknowledgement to date has been to bunker down in silence & bundle (on PC), the ScummVM modded version"

You're not consistent at all. The Ruffled feathers are all yours.

@Robocod It's been out less than a week. Seems a bit odd to tell Nightdive to take notes from a company that took two years to update their game, especially since Nightdive have historically been very good at supporting their remasters.

Picked up Headlander. It's only recently hit my radar and I was waiting for a drop.

"we have to imagine a huge portion of PlayStation game sales are coming in from PS Store."

People have been pointing out the problem with just looking at physical sales for months at this point, but it's only when PS struggles, that it's acknowledged.

So in short, people thought this was an expansion of PS plus, and not PS Now.

I mean, I suppose the marketing isn't really that clear. 50 million PS Plus users vs 3 million PS Now users. And PS Plus is now PS Essential, Extra, and Premium.

And I can't be suprised either. Poor marketing is what caused people to think the Wii U was a controller for the Wii, and killed the console.

I have 18 days left of my sub. It let me upgrade to premium for £2.66. I've turned off auto-renewal. I'm going to play what I can of the PS3 games in that time and then I'm done with PS subscriptions.

Oddly, the same thing happened with My NSO. The announcement and launch of their expansion pak was just so off putting that I stopped even the basic level.

Literally just MS to axe XBLG now. These paid online services are extremely outdated now and I don't think anybody should be paying for them. Even if you like online games now, chances are it's a F2P and you don't need a sub to play it.

@thefourfoldroot1 No problem.

I do like the limited save mechanic to a degree. It's a great way to build tension and force the player to manage saves as just as any other resource in the game.

However, I am also a big believer in "easy modes". Limited saves aren't always fun, and they aren't always within a player's ability. They are much better suited to being exclusive to hard modes. So these features are really welcome.

I'm actually really happy with how the game is presented and plays on PS4. Saves work great, widescreen looks great. My only disapppointment is the lack of trophies, as you mentioned. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll add them in in the future as we other classic RE games.

@thefourfoldroot1 @JamieO "This 1996 PS1 game has minor skeletons in its closet, including a stingy save system"

"You have to use ink ribbons at a typewriter, or in a save room, to save your game. These become more scarce if you play on the advanced difficulty setting, but if you get a feel for this game on the training mode, there are lots of spare ink ribbons to save with."

You can use the system native rewind features to not only undo small mistakes and have a second crack at the last enemy, but also use the system native save function to have unlimited saves (6 at any one time), and save anywhere.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/09/talking_point_is_a_playstation_game_pass_viable

We've come a long way, lads.

@JuggaloRazzam So your preferences are either get stuff for free off of others' work under capitalism, or get stuff free off of others' work under socialism?.

That is certainly a unique stance. As someone who is interested in politics, the value of work is normally consistent between both capitalists and socialists. Meaning, they all agree that everybody should work to benefit society.

So that really is something.

@JuggaloRazzam I have enough hate, to hate both.

And I love how you are explaining how you are a middle man that prices the lower earners out of goods, but that's "good, actually".

You provide zero benefit to capitalism. You don't provide goods or services that aren't already there. You are taking advantage of the system to divert money and weaken the buying power of the lower earners, and are the prime example of everything wrong with the system.

So thanks for educating me.

@JuggaloRazzam Truly poor people can't afford to have $100 sit in an investment opportunity for an undetermined amount of time.

This isn't about feeding families, it's about lining pockets.

@Zombiechris Never said anything of the sort.

I said, because the remakes are changed so much, playing them isn't a subtitute for playing the originals, so not making the originals available is a kick in the teeth to fans.

I guess that helps explain why they sold out so quickly.

@Ryany "Nothing wrong with scalpers people have to do anything to make money bow thr cost of living is mental"

People buying things they have no need or want for, only to sell it back to people who do have those needs and wants, is why the cost of living is in such dire straits.

@Beerheadgamer82 Crash was all new tech and all new assets.

Moving engines isn't totally uncommon, and on its own, doesn't classify as a remake. Fortnite changed engines. It's not a remake of itself.

@Beerheadgamer82 "Even if Dead Space 1 originally released in 2013 on PS3 and then DS gets remastered on PS4 in 2014 and then DS gets a remake on PS5 in 2022 no one would be complaining still"

You have no way of knowing that. You could have used RE4, because it at least has been Remastered and Remade, andthat hasn't had the same level of criticism as TLOU, but it has still been criticised.

"it's clearly not a remaster"

Actually, it isnt. A remake is all new assets. Like RE1 remake. A remaster builds upon the existing game, and assets are improved though some assets remain.

You look at RE1, 2, 3, and 4, and look at their remakes. Now look at the TLOU and TLOU pt1. This game looks like it's been built on the bones of the original game.

Do you think they recreated all the cutscene mocap and VO work? Or do you think they are reusing the assets?

@Beerheadgamer82 There's key differences between Dead Space and TLOU1.

1) Dead Space seems more like a remake, where TLOU1 seems more like an enhanced remaster. Dead Space actually sounds like it's being built from the ground up with a brand new camera system for cutscenes to have that one camera look, where as we've seen that TLOU1 is straight up using the old cutscenes.

2) Dead Space never had an 8th gen remaster. People were only sold Dead Space once back in 2008, and haven't been sold the game since then.

3) Dead Space released 5 years prior to TLOU. Dead Space 3 (the game that killed the franchise) released before TLOU did. The franchise was dead before TLOU even hit the shelves.

"Grand Theft Auto V has sold 165 million copies since its release"

I think I have a theory as to why they believe that.

@tinCAT-zero How can I be wrong about it looking old, when I never said anything about how it looks?

My argument is that the title is available to purchase and play on the PS5, which it is. So is Blooborne for that fact. You said "Sony will continue to have a version to sell to the PS5 generation and future generations." which is currently the case.

Unless of course, you are of the opinion that the playability of a game is determined by the graphics. Which,

"The PS4 remaster is going to get very old looking very quickly"

Seems the case.

@tinCAT-zero Sony have a version to sell, and people have a version to buy. The remaster is right there, and it's cheap.

This new remaster isn't about keeping an old title alive, nor is it about the people who haven't played it. If this was the case, Sony would be looking at remastering the huge catalogue of games that haven't transitioned over to PS4 yet.

This is purely about trying to cash in on the tie in with the TV series.

If all Naughty Dog is interested in is cutscenes and graphics, maybe they should transitition in to being a film studio?