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As I've got older I played less and less MP online. Partly due to time and partly the fact my reflexes just are not up there with a 20 year olds. BF1942 was the last I played hours at a time, seems like eons ago. Was simple, not very taxing but great fun. Would love a remake of that.

Can't beat a Custard Cream dunked into a big mug of tea. Been my go-to biscuit since I was a kid.

"The difference this time is that we’ve created an original design for which they have no basis to allege infringement,"
And with that they have admitted the copied Sony's IP and Sony had a basis for complaint. D'oh.

No thanks, I'm not into the look and I've no idea what that'll do to the PS5's cooling.

Saying that, get your act together, Sony! Either bring out official plates or licence others to make them.

Golf for me, will make a change. Let's face it, they'll never please everyone.

Looks like VRR rollout on Sony TVs has began so fingers crossed for a PS5 firmware update soon

@Dalejrfanfreak Higher resolution and frame rate options along with negligible load times. And by the sounds of it some nice haptic feedback. Looking forward to it.

@Denni5m Fair enough but for me an extra $200 would have made it a no-go. Cost aside, I would imagine putting a much more performant CPU/GPU in at this stage would just have added to size and heat issues.

For the last couple of generations I don't think consoles have rivalled top-end PC's. If you want the ultimate gaming experience and have $1000s to spend, PC is the way to go. For me a $500 PS5/XBox offers a great compromise.

@Olmaz Agreed. Come on PS, great article suggestion from Olmaz right there.

Didn't even notice the icons changing! I think a quick way of switching between last installed/played and a category folder view would be cool. Ultimately custom folders would be good but would be easy to clutter-up the UI.

Would be interesting to have a vote on this. Simple question:
Do you intend to buy GT7?
A -> Yes
B -> Probably
C -> No, not my thing
D -> No, because Campaign mode needs an always-on internet connection.

All fine by me, been looking forward to it since 2020. I can't see the servers disappearing before I'm done with it and even if they did, can still play arcade mode. Each to their own.

@Denni5m I disagree. The PS5 has not been 'shamed' by the XBox and never will be. They're too close in spec. As for PC's, show me something that costs £450 that challenges either, the 6700xt currently costs £700 on its own.

We've not seen anywhere near the best of what either PS5 or XBox yet have to offer.

Both consoles do shame my PC, however, which cost significantly more not so long ago!

@Woogy My understanding (possibly faulty) is that the lack of Atmos support doesn't restrict developers from implementing surround sound in any way. I think you have 100+ channels you can program for and it gets downmixed to whatever format your select. Sucks a bit that they don't support Atmos now but I wouldn't be surprised if it got added in the future.

I've only got a 5.1 setup at the moment, so not a problem for me. Tempted to get Pulse headphones as I've read good things about them with Tempest 3D.

@SystemAddict I wouldn't have thought so, would be damned impressive if it worked!

@Sladey69 Nice monitor. I think as far as the PS5 is concerned it's just a TV, so I'd expect it to work. I guess quality will be determined by whatever your monitor uses to extract the sound from the HDMI and convert it to a signal to the headphone jack. Fingers crossed!

@Sladey69 How do you have your speakers connected? If they're connected from the monitor I would assume the TV setting would work fine.

@Carck Well, as I say, just a guess. Maybe influenced by the way software is going. Makes sense with my dev hat on.

@eagletrippin Looks like December for VRR, same time as Bravia TV updates. Looking forward to it.

It's just occurred to me that it appears no white-listing of NVMe drives is going to happen. Seems if it benchmarks quick enough it's supported. Good news, as more Gen4 drives appear there'll be no wait for Sony to validate them first.

@AFCC It's as fast if not faster from what I've read. And as said above, endorsed by the man himself

I'm using a Samsung 980 Pro and it's fantastic. I don't think there's anything in it between the 980 the WD Black 850, so you should be good.

@Carck It may be that some aspects of how a single-player campaign works is now changed according to your progress or some other telemetry. Stuff that used to be baked-in to distributed code is now done externally, making it easier to be tweaked, improved or somehow customised to you without the user having to patch.

As I say, I don't know. I'm going to assume there is a decent reason for it until I know for sure there isn't.

@GADG3Tx87 I put a 1Tb in and yes, filled up pretty quick! But much quicker than the external 1TB SSD I was using. I can fit everything I play normally between the internal and NVMe.

I did have a number of errors moving some files from external drive to NVMe but I think they were probably damaged, I had a lot of issues with standby mode.

@Perryg92 No, you can only enable the new settings if you select
headphones and two channel as far as I recall. One of the first things I had a play with.

Was going to say I might buy it at some point, as the PS4 version is currently at £12.59. However, after a quick google, seems it'll only run 1080p@30 in BC mode? Is that right?

@Carck Sure is, that's what happens when you get a lot of closed-minded people in one place.

"Of course always online singleplayer is bad."

Depends what it offers, surely? Yes, bad if it offers nothing, but not so bad if it does. I'll go against the flow and wait to make an informed decision. More people should try it, makes life far less stressful.

I'll probably buy it anyway, on the grounds there's worse things that would happen if my internet drops. Like being unable to work.

Shill - an accomplice of a confidence trickster or swindler who poses as a genuine customer to entice or encourage others.

@RubyCarbuncle If you re-read what you've written, looking at it from the other point of view, you are just as guilty in the smart-arse stakes. As soon as name-calling comes into an argument, you've probably lost. I don't personally see this as an issue and so really don't get the strength of feeling expressed by those that do. And vice-versa, I suppose. I doubt anyone on either side is going to change their view but we can be polite about it.

@Saad_Moonwalker Well, given no-one actually seems to know why they need it, so it's beyond everyone

@MidnightDragonDX Hooray for always on! Lots of people do have reliable internet

@MakersMark I'm PS4 games on my PS5. Most look or play better than they did on my PS4, so no great hardship!

I know they said they wouldn't show anything to do with PSVR2 but I feel they should have done. Even just a tease, a glimpse of the hardware, headset and controllers and a few seconds of gameplay so we could see the visual improvements.

Nope, doesn't need an internet connection, so not interested.

Joke Just not my thing.

I'd like to know why we would need to be online to play single player, seems unnecessary on the face of it. But what is it about people today getting so upset about things before they even know the detail? When we actually find out why online is needed, we can make an informed decision as to whether we want to buy it or not. Doesn't that make sense?

For good or ill we're already at the point now where you need to be online to function fully in society. I'm old. I still remember having to buy magazines for reviews. Then phone around shops to find if someone had what I wanted in stock. Then send a cheque to pay for it and wait best part of a month for the cheque to clear and for them to post it to me.

Now I can read a review on something and have it delivered ( real physical stuff) the same day. There's always a price to pay for that level of convenience.

Campaign mode has an asterisk next to it. Maybe to save progress? Could do with more info.

Never played it so I'd pay 19.99 for it on PS5 but it sure looks outdated graphically speaking.

Out of all shown all I'd buy if it all came out tomorrow would be GT. Though I thought some of the in-game footage looked pretty flat in parts, need to see more of that. Nothing else had me on the edge of my seat, nothing I thought a PS4 Pro couldn't pull off. I haven't seen it all in 4K yet, though.

Coming from a base PS4 I'm happy enough at the moment, I've a lot of good enhanced PS4 games to play. After that, PSVR2 next year will keep me on PS. If PSVR2 falls flat, though, I'm starting to think PS5 may be the last console purchase. Family seems to spend more time on PC's than the PS5.

@eagletrippin No, I'm told it's quite obvious when I'm being a smartarse

I remember reading about file sizes shrinking quite a few times so I did a quick Google. The lazy reference was because I couldn't be arsed to show the results here. Plus my dinner was on the table!

@eagletrippin ?

@eagletrippin A lazy Google turned up 12 smaller. I suspect there's a lot more.

@TowaHerschel7 Hopefully they've made some progress in helping with the nausea!

Damn, no button on the pass page for me to buy it, just blank.
I can get HITMAN 3 - Free Starter Pack (Demo) , will that do? Not in a position to actually try it at the moment.

EDIT: Ah, probably need to install Hitman 2 first, maybe.

Excellent find, thanks!

Motorstorm and GT7 would be perfect for me. No excuses not to show GT7 gameplay after all this time. I know Motorstorm is a forlorn hope, though😟

@Deadcow Ah, no problem
I was just reading about an interview with Mathijs de Jonge, quoted on IGN , where he apparently said "development on Horizon Forbidden West has used the PS4 console, and so it’s designed with that hardware in mind".

So I wonder if right at the start the intention was to develop on the PS5 but that just didn't happen? He then waxes lyrical about the extra water effects etc etc they can do on PS5.

More confused messaging.

@cherryghost41 Ok, yes, I'm about to be pedantic. We are not being forced to buy two copies of the same game. You can buy the PS4 version and play it better on the PS5 with BC later. It's a personal choice if we buy the PS5 version at a later date. We are not being forced to do anything.

In my (probably arsey) opinion (that 99.9% don't give a shiny ***** about) misuse of emotive language is rife in online forums these days and results in bad feeling and misunderstandings where there doesn't need to be.

Back in my box.

@armondo36 I see where you're coming from, from a personal point of view I agree.

@armondo36 I think 'punished' is a bit strong. You can play it using BC mode on the PS5, usually at higher fidelity and framerate. So you'll get some benefit for free anyway.

The expectation of a free upgrade really is a very recent thing. I suspect it'll come back to haunt developers as they'll be forever tied to providing something for nothing.

@Deadcow I guess I'm confused between HFW and HZD. But my understanding is both were developed initially on the PS4, with extras added for the PS5 later. The HZD upgrade is free isn't it? Has got good reviews. HFW looks improved on PS5, so I'm struggling to understand what has been downgraded.

@Deadcow "What stinks about this is that Sony has DOWNGRADED HZD" Where did you get that from? If that's from the devs I've missed it. Do we know they had the PS5 version ready and delayed it to downgrade to PS4? Have they chopped stuff out of the PS5 version? I honestly want to know if I missed something (quite possible).

@SilkySmile89 I guess part of the problem is that this thread has turned into a discussion about all-sorts rather than just upgrades.

On the topic of upgrades, I would expect a 'free' upgrade to consist of ensuring a boost in performance when running a PS4 game on a PS5 in BC mode. Though this might be a big ask for some, depends in how the game is written.

From that point on, what do you class as an upgrade? I can pretty much guarantee most devs have already come up with a long list of things they'd like to with their games on a PS5. They'll be arranged in order of effort and perceived benefit. Some might get done for free, a tweak to a scaling algorithm, changing assets to higher quality ones you already have. Some as an up-skilling exercise, getting familiar with what the PS5 offers.

Beyond that, it's a compromise. Do you slow or stop work on the next project? Do you prioritise PS5 upgraded features over bug fixes or new features? How much can you really afford to do for free? This will vary from developer to developer.

Devs don't stop when a game goes out. They're immediately onto the next thing whilst simultaneously supporting the stuff already gone out. It can be hard work and I do not begrudge them making money out of it. The question about who gets what money is valid but a different discussion, I think.

@SilkySmile89 Just gimmicks? Fair enough. If you do not use any of a platforms unique abilities then I agree, seems like not much more work for the devs. In fact, given you get a nice boost with BC, why even bother with a PS5 version at all?

When people talk about a PS5 version I had assumed they are talking about more than a bump in frame rate and tweaked graphics. Games can and do get criticized if they don't use these 'gimmicks'. Whether you want to believe it or not there is extra work to do. You have two platforms to test on, for a start, because some of the code will be different. That's not free. We all know what happens when you don't test properly!

But I'm just a software developer with 35 years experience, what do I know

@The_New_Butler I think Sony have been in the game long enough and successfully enough, to know what they're doing from the point of view of generating revenue. They've just shown they can and will change track when they feel it necessary.

Just for the record, I haven't paid more than £50 quid for a game in my life. I haven't paid more than that because I haven't found a game I consider worth it!