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Nintendo games aren't worth £75. Look forward to the 1st party games remaining that price for the duration of the Switch 2s existence. I wince at this because it was bad enough when they were releasing Wii U rereleases at £50 with very rare sales. It's only recently that some first party games have dropped to about £35.

@mountain_spider The main thing i look for in games is atmosphere and I love the Metro games, gotta say I find this comment baffling.

@Godot25 Last of Us 2 was first reported to have cleared 10m in 2022, no official figures since then I don't think.The problem with that is that you get clickbaity game sites reporting that figure for years after the fact.

With remastered releasing and the show having aired since then, i can only imagine its millions more in the last 3 years.

TLOU has definitely sold significantly more, but with three versions over 12 years, (7 years on the sequel) TLOU bundles, again the TV show, and the the inevitable sequel drop off (sequels to megahits rarely sell more) what do you expect?

TLOU2 was not a flop, thats just a narrative that haters spun to make them feel better about themselves. If you think Sony wouldn't throw money at sequel, especially with the success of the show, you'd be wrong (in my opinion)

As for the length, fair criticism, personally i liked that it was long, it gave it an ambitious feel. Even people that didn't like it can't fault the ambition. I thought the scenarios the game threw at us were varied enough to keep it high quality from start to finish.

@Bionic-Spencer Lets be honest, there isn't anything in the world that's universally loved. Also, TLOU2 wasn't universally hated, it was extremely divisive, which is completely different.
You'd be naive to think that Neil Druckmann and co didn't think a lot of people were going to hate TLOU2, it was definitely intentional(to a degree)
Honestly, they deliver a good game that gets people talking, 10s of millions of people who love it, then Alex garland is right 'Who gives a f**k?' Especially when the feedback from the haters, is anything but constructive. I honestly couldn't disagree with you more. Keep pushing it, get people talking, forget the haters.
I think what they did with TLOU2 was ballsy and we need more people to push the envelope.

I'll be looking forward to this

@ryan_nil tbf if we're talking classic game design it makes sense to run the level left to right. I am laughing though, such a great quibble. Would've been great attention to detail mind you.

Love the film, Love the 16 bit era and the throwbacks.....needless to say, I'm in

@LifeGirl Yeah I'm right with you on that one, I'm sure we'll get to the point where people will start crying over games not being able tohit 120fps somewhere down the line as well. Graphics/resolution mean nothing to me. I certainly won't replay the likes of the Last of Us or Horizon just because the graphics have been improved. My time on earth is limited

@johncalmc I've kept quiet on it until today, but I consider myself a hardcore fan and I was happy with what we got. I know there'll be online metrics probably expressing dislike etc. But i think it's fair to say there'll be plenty of big fans who don't engage socially on the internet. I generally don't apart from the odd message on here. I generally find most internet discourse and discussion just becomes fruitless because people argue their points 'loudly' and stubbornly in an infinite, pointless loop. Yet here I am.
I don't think being hardcore always equates to thumbs downing and so forth. I suppose we have nothing else to tell us.

I think you're right about the live-service debacle, defintely set Sony back years. But when we've got Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2, Intergalactic, Saros and Wolverine in the pipeline I can't get too down.

I'm happy having seen these games already, enough to get me hyped.

Funny thing is , I might have been disappointed if the big trailer was DS2 again. I've seen to ultra long trailers of that already.

The discourse just highlights several things to me:

1. A lot of gamers have become entitled and spoiled
2. People are still clamoring for 1st party exclusives on Playstation, even though there's a ridiculous amount of quality games coming, including probably all of Microsofts games. ( I find this a bit tribal)
3. People that claim to be gamers have a strangely narrow taste in games (Ok, that's not proven, but sometimes it seems that way)
4.People don't give a darn about new IPs, even if it could be the next big hit
5. People for some reason want close to everything shown to be up their street. (which is generally unrealisitic)

Now, people will counter with 'we don't need to like it' and that's true, ya totally can. I just get it. There's enough quality games to last me more than my lifetime, the only thing that annoys me is I'll be dead before i get a chance to play them all.
We're all on limited time, can anyone here truly tell me there's not going to be enough quality games to keep you going for life? I doubt it. I'm happy with what we're getting, I don't care about what Sony have put out this generation. I have enough.

@1UP-HUSKY I agree about Code Veronica, although I'm not sure i agree with the notion that Zero holds up well. TBF Zero is probably my least favourite in the whole series.

@Pat_trick You played Code Veronica recently? It's an absolute slog. I still like it though

This could well be a hint that there are no plans to remake 5 anytime soon then, So if the remakes are to continue, will it be Zero or Code Veronica? or both?

@The_Pixel_King shocking that Square never did anything with the Chrono series in general after Cross (apart from a few CT re-releases) Especially when they still pump out Saga and Mana games on the regular.
Maybe them now having two blockbuster RPG franchises is enough.....

Good news, 3 and Dawn of Dreams next! Ok getting ahead of myself, but it'd be good to play these again. Looking forward to the new entry as well.

I played the gamecube version from start to finish back in 2009 i think. It's been a while but i definitely loved it at the time, a classic JRPG adventure. Might play it again, but the problem is I'm drowning in games, I'm in my 30s and time is an issue. I do hope that many JRPG fans that haven't had the chance get a lot of fun out of it!

@Hyena_socks Although i Do plan to go back to it, I had the same issue with the sequel, it seemed like more of the same and i went in too soon after the first one. Maybe if you leave it for a bit you'll feel refreshed?

@Oram77 Agreed, it's the worst mainline Resi but it's nowhere close to 3/10 bad. The game actually has it's fans, and i found it to be enjoyable for the most part.

@RudeAnimat0r Gaiden might as well be a mainline game honestly. Its a bit smaller than most LAD games, but it's still meaty. Take that from a series veteran.

@Lup Just because you've played them doesn't mean its lackluster.It's a great lineup, I actully paid 60 quid over the holidays for Like A Dragon and God of War, and i've played and loved Sayonara Wild Hearts and Citizen Sleeper, so while theres nothing for me, it's undeniably a great month. I'm a huge GOW fan and still haven't played it. Not everyone needs everything day 1 and I find beinga patient gamer is a huge advantage overall. I;m not the only one.

@DrVenture69 Although I wasn't sold on the change of tone for season 3 I now think it's his true masterpiece. I honestly feel like it's a super long film. It also made fire walk with me feel essential as well, it's far closer to that tone-wise than the og series.

I just wanted to add: I've played and loved Citizen Sleeper and Sayonara Wild Hearts, so don't sleep on those

Unbelievable.......got £60 in PS store credit from my sisters at christmas, bought God of War Ragnarok and Like A Dargon Gaiden. The headliners of this month. My consolation is i wanted t try anno mutationem

@Northern_munkey I keep an eye on rumours daily and there are several decent sources corroborating this. Usually when that happens the rumour turns out to be true, Where there's smoke there's fire. I'm about 95% sure this is all gonna happen.

9/15 for me, only ran through each game once, but still maybe shoulda done better.

No doubt the score for Intergalactic will be top-tier, these guys are at the top of their game. I love the transition from NiN to being sought-after composers for Film and TV (and games!)

@riceNpea while i agree, i would say as score composers they're quite out there on their own. If we were keeping the realm of popular or alternative music separate from scores and soundtracks.

I honestly wouldn't be too surprised to see the trilogy release on other platforms. first party IP use is evolving a little bit, with what Playstation and Xbox have been doing, though I still doubt it. with the OG Bayonetta being multi platform, who know's, maybe Nintendo will do it? Not much of a precedent when it comes to Nintendo mind you! We'll never see a multi-plat Mario!

@UltimateOtaku91 I would say Ishin is for sure, but it's still very silly and has some grindy content you may consider bloat. maybe you'd prefer the feudal setting though? Story wise, they're disconnected from the main series yes. they do use the characters from the main series as a template though, so some cheeky references or likenesses may go over your head, but it's pretty minor overall i'd say.

@UltimateOtaku91 If that's how you feel then I'm pretty sure the series isn't for you, from my perspective thats some of the stuff that makes the series special.

I can't express enough how much i love this series. I'm actually a few games behind though now, I haven't played Gaiden yet, so Infinite Wealth is still on hold. Playing Ishin right now. With Pirate Yakuza next year I'll have three games.

@Rich33 I get your point, thanks for the detailed response. I enjoyed both games despite any technical misgivings, but I've always been quite forgiving in that respect. That's not everyone though, and that's fair enough. I'm a huge FF fan, I enjoyed 16 but definitely a mid-tier FF for me. Still a very good game overall.

FFVII rebirth i really loved though, FF is genuinely the only series I buy day 1, I'm a patient gamer otherwise. I hope you grab it at some point and enjoy it.

@EfYI As a huge FFVII fan since release, this is something i hear and really don't understand. How can it spoil childhood memories when the OG still exists and is widely available? The remake won't overwrite your memories or anything like that, don't worry!

@Rich33 None of those are turn offs to me, aside from the blurry graphics. (which I didn't notice, cos my TV is old, I only ran it 1080p and it looked fine).
also FFXVI? what do you mean by that?

For anyone looking to get into the series, this will be a great place to start as it's the first chronologically in the greater series. Does beg the question, are they going to remake Trails in the Sky 2 and 3? I'm thinking......yes

Glad he seems to be blowing up, he was good as Clive and it's well deserved. He's got a ways to go til he hits Troy Baker levels though!
DennisReynolds will be annoyed! Thanks for the troll PushSquare!

@NapoleonDynamite not a fan huh?

@Lenny0521 I mean, I like the Coffee Talk games. Nobody wants to Die is on sale for 11.99, I just bought it today!

(In the UK anyway)

@DennisReynolds I'm not insulting you, I'm criticising you, hows that? Anyway, I have been a bit heated recently, I'll give you that. What I said will get removed, gonna move on now. My original thought was you were being unfair to the actor, not because you thought he was boring, but because you said he hadn't got work after FF? That was just an outright lie. I'm not even a big Ben Starr fan or anything, I thought FFXVI was average. I still disagree with what you said. I try to offer a balanced opinion most of the time. Anyway lets agree to disagree, I take back any insults.

@Hyena_socks I mean that's a pretty ill-informed thing to say when it can be played single player. No need to be so cynical, could be a good game. I'm sure the people who are working on it are passionate about it. Unfair to say that

@ozkrmz Yep, I'm sure you'll be one of the guys who cries when the game is well-received. No need to be so cynical when the game isn't even out yet. Also, enjoy not buying it, I'm sure the world at large will go on, we'll have a lot of fun without you!
I also have to take umbridge with the 'Battle Royale' tag that Push Square is using, seems a bit reductive. The way it's been described it sounds a lot like a co-operative rogueite with a few elements of a battle royale. Even that sounds off

@Kingy I mean, come on man, Is it really criticism when people are crying about playing as a female, or specifically one with a shaved head? not in my opinion. When people are attacking race, sexuality and the likes of Elon Musks 'anti-woke' agenda? because that's what this kind of thing amounts to. I know what you said about politics, but i think it's disingenuous of you to suggest that's not where a mountain of this criticism comes from, whether it's outright suggested or not.

I mean your Guy A/B argument is extremely reductive, It's ok to enjoy the trailer for the very fact that it's a AAA sci-fi game, which one might find intriguing, if you found it shallow, that's fine, but just like anything subjective it can be read differently, it doesn't boil down to hot and cold like you've suggested. The wor;d isn't black and white after all.

In my opinion, Yes, you should absolutely retain neutrality until the final product. That goes for absolutely any piece of art. like a painting, you don't judge it on a square inch or two. There'll be more trailers, there'll be a vertical slice. Maybe we can talk more then, a straight up judgement of a teaser is totally unfair in this case, and i'll argue that all day, til the cows come home.

I mean we're talking discourse over the way a character looks and teaser witha song for eff sake. Anything positive to say? The fidelity or the engine, or anything, or did you come in negatively? not to downplay your feelings or *****, i feel like you've been slightly disingenuous.

I will fight to the end of the world to judge them based on the final game whether they have more resources or not. they're only human after all, that's honestly a nothing point to me.unfair in my opinion. we know nothing about how difficult it is to make a game like this.

As for The Last of us 2, you're being disingenuous again. Come on. The critics roundly praised TLOU2 yes, but a lot of the backlash comes directly from Ellies sexuality or the way Abby looks, and if you deny that, I'm sorry, but i think you are being naive.Thats definitely filtered through to this game. You know what i mean, and if you deny it, i know you're having me on.

@jedinite If you think this is gonna fail, then I'm sorry, you're gonna be super disappointed. Might as well assume water is sand mate

@underthegun I appreciate your downplaying of this discourse, but as far as the online gaming community is concerned; the word hysteria is apt!!

@DennisReynolds I mean i've disagreed with you elsewhere, but i could not agree with you more on your last comment here, and in this discussion in general.

@Treestar Yes, because the cesspit of YouTube commenters is the absolute authority of all of gaming worldwide. There's unwarranted backlash to absolutely everything. Usually the words, 'trash' 'garbage' or 'dogshit' are involved, any sensible human who can think critically should switch off at the mere mention of such words, unless they are indeed describing actual garbage, or ya know, the actual feces of a dog.

@Treestar No, but that's besides the point of what I've said. You talked about community backlash, and Ghost of Yotei had plenty, as did The Witcher IV. Or maybe you're just not part of those communties? Naughty Dog get held to a different standard and that's a fact. Blame on UNcharted, blame it on The Last of Us, whatever. The reaction to The Last of Us 2, proves everything.

@Kingy I mean, i agree with a lot of what you're saying, but you're definitely entertaining a lot of what you say you don't, and being awful judgmental for someone who says not to judge; the point of the article is to denounce unwarranted criticism, you can't truly judge anything until the game itself comes out. You can criticize a trailer, sure, but you can't criticise the game. It's like judging a full album on a clip of a song or a movie on a teaser, you simply don't know.
Games get held to different standards, because ts now the biggest industry in the world and I kind of understand that, but the fact remains, you don't know. Nuaghty dog also get held to different standards because of the weird backlash to Last Of Us 2. I'll never denounce constructive criticism, but that was just off the scale in terms of strange behaviour. would never happen with movies or music, which is weird because they are arguably true artistic mediums. And the point of art is subjectivity. Tell me that's not backwards.

@underthegun plenty to see, if your multiple comments are anything to go by

@jedinite So explain further? you can criticize a game we know almost nothing about or is it because we now know nothing that you're so perturbed?

@IntimidatedDoggo I actually kind of agree with this to be fair. It's the very exact reason that the likes of Mary Jane in Spiderman 2 and Angela in Silent Hill 2 got so much hate, despite the actresses being beautiful. So yes, thanks for that one, i agree.

@Treestar Sorry, you've been spouting so much nonsense i should've specified what comment i referring to.
'Desire to play as a character is vital in character design'
No thats not true at all. Take that from a gamer since 90.
That's not what makes a game popular, nor does it pertain to the quality of the game itself. Your community response is a blip on the scale of things mate, no offense. This game will sell a load and no one will care about the nerdy opinions on a site like this and I'm sorry if that hurts you. Also, positive response to Ghost of Yotei?? You must be kidding. You should realise that opinions on games around the world are far beyond your pseudo- intellectual opinions. get over yourself and your community