I didn't buy final fantasy 16, the first time since 7 that I haven't rushed out and bought a mainline one on release day.
I suppose you could argue that it's not fair that I haven't given it a chance, but when 'giving a chance' involves spending £60 on a game that I don't like the look of very much then it is debatable.
@czDante92 they may have bought them on a sale to be fair, this game did get cheap fast. Not that we should be judging how people choose to spend their money anyway.
@tameshiyaku I think they need to make it accessible from the console, it's own section, for it to be more popular. I mean I'm aware of it and like the idea, but I've missed loads of quests just because I can't be bothered to keep checking the phone app.
Bit weird that it was the same judge who oversaw the original case who had the decision on the appeal? I mean are any American appeals successful under those circumstances? But whatever. Enjoy paying £10 a month to rent call of duty I guess Xbox fans.
@SgtTruth there's more benefits, games tend to be cheaper physically, I mean I picked up Deathloop for £6 from cex, I don't think it's even come close to that digitally. Lend to friends also. And preservation is still a big deal. Yes sure maybe in 40 years when whatever has happened and Sony, steam, Microsoft might just be memories in a history book, the data on those discs could be the only thing left even without patches.
@EvilSilentFrame it's true that Microsoft don't exactly have a stellar record of managing the games companies they buy out. Recently they seem to have adopted a 'don't get involved' approach, which is probably sensible given their history, but who knows how long that will last.
I suppose AI is quite a big threat to voice actors, companies could start using to clone their voice and not need the original actors any more. Which is obviously one of the many huge court cases involving AI that we've probably got to look forward to.
First thought is what does this have to do with the case lol. Though I guess it's the usual time for some sort of new cheaper version, if advancements in tech actually allow it.
I always thought games companies didn't reveal digital sales, but apparantly gsddata know all (except Nintendo's). Makes me wonder why the figures are not more commonly reported.
Edit, that said, gsddatas site doesn't seem to provide easy access to any figures from a quick browse.
@Centaured yeah it could backfire, there's actually a good chance it will, Microsoft don't have a very strong history of success from buying out games companies. Most of them just seem to fade away. It's a backfire that they can afford I guess though, even if it happened. Windows' uncontested dominance gives them money to throw around. What the world needs is a strong competitor to windows, that'd be fun.
@rjejr Roblox has an even younger audience than even Minecraft or fortnite I think. From what I seen kids show an interest in Roblox very young. No idea how they manage it but something about it grabs toddlers attentions.
@Porco I don't know, I think the main targets for these collections are people who played them at the time. Quality is irrelevant when nostalgia is concerned, there's prob a lot of people with fond memories of the game gear games.
It's the same argument for the nes tmnt being included in that collection. It doesn't stand up well now, but it's one of the most remembered titles cause so many people played it back then.
Edit : it's the same reason that I'm still peeved that the c64 versions of turrican weren't included In that package. It is technically, a worse game than other ones, but it's the one that I played and would like to play again.
@MasterVGuides yeah they'll have to keep pumping out new content to keep people subscribed, or offer some sort of loyalty scheme. That's the beauty of ps+ and games with gold (if it was any good), the longer you stay subscribed, the bigger your library gets. Game pass doesn't even offer the usual big discount for a year. I guess the monthly fee.is as low as they are prepared to go.
It's odd, I don't know anyone who plays call of duty anymore, I would've thought considering how big it is I'd know quite a few.
Games like minecraft,fortnite and gta5 you can put them down to being hugely popular with kids still, but as far as I know cod isn't.
Maybe it's a usa thing.
Edit : though PS3, that was very different, especially during the black ops stage. Omg cod was all anyone could talk about.
@Art_Vandelay who sends 'unguarded' emails at work nowadays anyway? Least of all a higher up figure. They don't send traceable email trails of thought just for bants.
@NEStalgia Microsoft certainly would've taken call of duty away from playstation if they thought they could seal the deal without promising otherwise. They were going through the exact motions as starfield, and now elder scrolls, before they were compelled to promise anything. 'oh maybe we will, maybe we won't, who knows? Actually we're not going to'.
New story circling that apparantly Bethesda isn't happy that Activision is being treated differently regarding multiplatform. So see you all on that monster thread when it appears on here
I buy digital games when they are massively discounted, but unlike physical, there is zero chance of me paying £30+ for one.
I can even understand digital only sometimes for niche/indie games, that may or may not sell well.
This game actually may fall into that category, I guess they aren't going to publicly announce that it's digital only cause it may not sell a lot, hence the amnesia that patches exist.
Edit : And I still think Nintendo and Sony are aware that physical is one of the few remaining advantages over pc, I can't see them giving up physical any time soon.
It's so cringe. Sure the future is always uncertain, but Microsoft definitely know if they currently PLAN to release it on playstation or not, the embarrassing dancing around the question shows that they aren't obviously.
Seems unlikely, Deathloop and Ghostwire were both high risk games, so funding made sense. Starfield however, a mainline Bethesda game that basically appears to be Skyrim or fallout in space, was always going to be money in the bank. Exclusivity, even a year would've been big money I think. Though yeah, even if there was a years exclusivity in the works, buying the whole company just because of that is clearly a silly justification.
@Savage_Joe they aren't collective minds though, they are individual people expressing an opinion. Many of them grounded in reality. Xbox historically has not been very interested in jrpgs, if they suddenly want to try and drop some big bucks to turn that tide, then good luck to them, but they have a lot of work (and money) ahead of them.
Microsoft would have to be practically fully funding it's development to convince them to make this exclusive I think. Which I suppose they've got the cash to do if they really wanted to 🤷
It does seem strange that they can't just leave it up and enjoy the occasional purchase, surely if it's available to redownload it can't cost any more to leave it available to purchase too? Licensing I guess. Though this is nothing compared to the supposed streaming future. Games that not many people play anymore won't stand a chance there, and you won't be able to rely on 'other methods' either, as the data won't be on anyone's systems.
Always a laugh reading the 'i'm sick of reading about this' comments. Seems a lot of people out there are being held hostage and forced to read things by their captors.
@tameshiyaku I wont be buying it if it doesn't get a physical release. It's not a dramatic statement, it's just telling the world where I'm personally at with this.
Well I won't be buying it then. I think they are making a mistake assuming the remaining physical purchasers will just move to digital when their hand is forced.
@Tharsman persona isn't a call of duty, but it's certainly a lot more popular than a lot of franchises out there. Calling it niche and using the word millions several times in your explanation is kinda eh.
The devil survivor games on 3ds were pretty cool so atlus do have some experience with tactical games, I think it could be good, even if p5 is starting to feel a bit overused.
It's my favourite final fantasy, a remake would be fantastic, if they keep what I like about it. And yes that means turned based or I'm just going to ignore it.
@NEStalgia it's working I guess. I mean if they had just released a full remake that followed the story like expected, we'd have loved it and it would have sold well, but people probably wouldn't be talking about it any more.
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Re: PS5 Sales Surge a Frankly Flabbergasting 244% in Europe
I didn't buy final fantasy 16, the first time since 7 that I haven't rushed out and bought a mainline one on release day.
I suppose you could argue that it's not fair that I haven't given it a chance, but when 'giving a chance' involves spending £60 on a game that I don't like the look of very much then it is debatable.
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 PS5 Publishing Rights Snagged by Spike Chunsoft in Japan
The absolutely obscene price that the physical PS4 final fantasy pixel remaster is going for shows that physical is far from being unwanted yet.
Edit : although in that case, it does appear that square only put out a handful of copies.
Re: Feature: Saints Row Expansion Pass Review - Is It Worth Buying?
@czDante92 they may have bought them on a sale to be fair, this game did get cheap fast.
Not that we should be judging how people choose to spend their money anyway.
Re: PS Plus Has Already Pulled in 100k New Dreamers on PS5, PS4
@tameshiyaku I think they need to make it accessible from the console, it's own section, for it to be more popular. I mean I'm aware of it and like the idea, but I've missed loads of quests just because I can't be bothered to keep checking the phone app.
Re: FTC Fails to Delay Microsoft's $69 Billion Buyout of Activision Blizzard
Bit weird that it was the same judge who oversaw the original case who had the decision on the appeal? I mean are any American appeals successful under those circumstances?
But whatever. Enjoy paying £10 a month to rent call of duty I guess Xbox fans.
Re: PS5 Was the UK's Best Selling Console in June, Biggest Games Perform Best Digitally
@SgtTruth there's more benefits, games tend to be cheaper physically, I mean I picked up Deathloop for £6 from cex, I don't think it's even come close to that digitally.
Lend to friends also.
And preservation is still a big deal. Yes sure maybe in 40 years when whatever has happened and Sony, steam, Microsoft might just be memories in a history book, the data on those discs could be the only thing left even without patches.
Re: PS5 Was the UK's Best Selling Console in June, Biggest Games Perform Best Digitally
@Th3solution huge increase the first month for sure. But retention, I'm not so sure.
Re: PS5 Was the UK's Best Selling Console in June, Biggest Games Perform Best Digitally
@Geep you've got a point, console, especially ps5 and Nintendo digital vs physical is probably not quite so huge.
Re: Reaction: What Happens to PlayStation if Microsoft Buys Activision Blizzard?
@EvilSilentFrame it's true that Microsoft don't exactly have a stellar record of managing the games companies they buy out. Recently they seem to have adopted a 'don't get involved' approach, which is probably sensible given their history, but who knows how long that will last.
Re: AI-Generated Audio Row Leads to Persona 5 Voice Actor Deleting Twitter Account
I suppose AI is quite a big threat to voice actors, companies could start using to clone their voice and not need the original actors any more.
Which is obviously one of the many huge court cases involving AI that we've probably got to look forward to.
Re: PlayStation and Other Gaming Titans Flock to Twitter Rival Threads
Social media, where everybody got to speak to the world, and promptly found out that the world disagreed with them.
Re: James Bond Title Sparks New Studio Opening for IO Interactive
About time we had a new Bond game. I've found even the lesser rated ones in the past to be pretty enjoyable.
Re: PlayStation and Other Gaming Titans Flock to Twitter Rival Threads
Threads is an unfortunate name for me, I associate the word with a scary old film about nuclear war lol.
Re: Even Microsoft Is Expecting a Revised PS5 Hardware Model This Year
First thought is what does this have to do with the case lol.
Though I guess it's the usual time for some sort of new cheaper version, if advancements in tech actually allow it.
Re: Over 56% of Final Fantasy 16 UK Launch Sales Were Digital, But the Charts Only Count Physical
@2here2there no square have confirmed 3 million total
Re: Over 56% of Final Fantasy 16 UK Launch Sales Were Digital, But the Charts Only Count Physical
@Ichiban they source at the end, gamesindustry.biz, and they source gsddata.
Re: Over 56% of Final Fantasy 16 UK Launch Sales Were Digital, But the Charts Only Count Physical
I always thought games companies didn't reveal digital sales, but apparantly gsddata know all (except Nintendo's). Makes me wonder why the figures are not more commonly reported.
Edit, that said, gsddatas site doesn't seem to provide easy access to any figures from a quick browse.
Re: Canada Joins UK, US in Questioning Microsoft's Activision Blizzard Buyout
@Centaured yeah it could backfire, there's actually a good chance it will, Microsoft don't have a very strong history of success from buying out games companies. Most of them just seem to fade away.
It's a backfire that they can afford I guess though, even if it happened. Windows' uncontested dominance gives them money to throw around.
What the world needs is a strong competitor to windows, that'd be fun.
Re: After Initial Concerns, Sony Now in Talks with Roblox for PlayStation Version
@rjejr Roblox has an even younger audience than even Minecraft or fortnite I think. From what I seen kids show an interest in Roblox very young. No idea how they manage it but something about it grabs toddlers attentions.
Re: Even with Final Fantasy 16, PS5 Can't Outsell Switch in Japan
@MattBoothDev I disagree, I think Sony are aware that the physical option is a pretty big ace over pc, I think they'll defend it as best they can.
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Delayed One Week on PS5, Runs at 60fps
174 hours of cinematics! That puts even metal gear solid to shame doesn't it? Or literally any game ever, well aside from possibly final fantasy 14.
Re: Mini Review: Sonic Origins Plus (PS5) - The Wrong Library of Games to Bring Back
@Porco I don't know, I think the main targets for these collections are people who played them at the time. Quality is irrelevant when nostalgia is concerned, there's prob a lot of people with fond memories of the game gear games.
It's the same argument for the nes tmnt being included in that collection. It doesn't stand up well now, but it's one of the most remembered titles cause so many people played it back then.
Edit : it's the same reason that I'm still peeved that the c64 versions of turrican weren't included In that package. It is technically, a worse game than other ones, but it's the one that I played and would like to play again.
Re: Call of Duty Netted Almost $1 Billion in Revenue for PlayStation in USA Alone
@MasterVGuides yeah they'll have to keep pumping out new content to keep people subscribed, or offer some sort of loyalty scheme.
That's the beauty of ps+ and games with gold (if it was any good), the longer you stay subscribed, the bigger your library gets.
Game pass doesn't even offer the usual big discount for a year. I guess the monthly fee.is as low as they are prepared to go.
Re: Call of Duty Netted Almost $1 Billion in Revenue for PlayStation in USA Alone
It's odd, I don't know anyone who plays call of duty anymore, I would've thought considering how big it is I'd know quite a few.
Games like minecraft,fortnite and gta5 you can put them down to being hugely popular with kids still, but as far as I know cod isn't.
Maybe it's a usa thing.
Edit : though PS3, that was very different, especially during the black ops stage. Omg cod was all anyone could talk about.
Re: Microsoft's Potential Game Plan in 2020: 'Spend Sony Out of Business'
@Art_Vandelay who sends 'unguarded' emails at work nowadays anyway? Least of all a higher up figure. They don't send traceable email trails of thought just for bants.
Re: UK Sales Charts: PS5 Exclusive Final Fantasy 16 Debuts at Number One
@Matroska I'd be interested in seeing the full price day one sales split, I'd imagine physical is still putting in a strong show there.
Re: Microsoft's Potential Game Plan in 2020: 'Spend Sony Out of Business'
@NEStalgia Microsoft certainly would've taken call of duty away from playstation if they thought they could seal the deal without promising otherwise.
They were going through the exact motions as starfield, and now elder scrolls, before they were compelled to promise anything. 'oh maybe we will, maybe we won't, who knows? Actually we're not going to'.
Re: Microsoft's Potential Game Plan in 2020: 'Spend Sony Out of Business'
New story circling that apparantly Bethesda isn't happy that Activision is being treated differently regarding multiplatform. So see you all on that monster thread when it appears on here
Re: Microsoft's Potential Game Plan in 2020: 'Spend Sony Out of Business'
I remember years ago a reviewer in a pc magazine comparing Microsoft to the Borg. Which always seemed pretty appropriate to me.
Re: Existence of 'Undisclosed' Rockstar VR Game Leaks via Actors' Resume
Quest announced San Andreas ages ago, and haven't spoken about it since.
Re: Alan Wake 2's Digital-Only Release Allows for a More Polished Game, Says Remedy
I buy digital games when they are massively discounted, but unlike physical, there is zero chance of me paying £30+ for one.
I can even understand digital only sometimes for niche/indie games, that may or may not sell well.
This game actually may fall into that category, I guess they aren't going to publicly announce that it's digital only cause it may not sell a lot, hence the amnesia that patches exist.
Edit : And I still think Nintendo and Sony are aware that physical is one of the few remaining advantages over pc, I can't see them giving up physical any time soon.
Re: Xbox Boss Wishy-Washy on Whether The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Come to PS6, PS5
It's so cringe. Sure the future is always uncertain, but Microsoft definitely know if they currently PLAN to release it on playstation or not, the embarrassing dancing around the question shows that they aren't obviously.
Re: Xbox Insinuates It Bought Bethesda to Block Starfield PS5 Console Exclusivity
Seems unlikely, Deathloop and Ghostwire were both high risk games, so funding made sense.
Starfield however, a mainline Bethesda game that basically appears to be Skyrim or fallout in space, was always going to be money in the bank.
Exclusivity, even a year would've been big money I think.
Though yeah, even if there was a years exclusivity in the works, buying the whole company just because of that is clearly a silly justification.
Re: "We've Lost the Console Wars," Says Trillion Dollar Underdog Xbox
@PixelDragon yes those poor people. Nothing but total workplace domination to console themselves with.
Re: "We've Lost the Console Wars," Says Trillion Dollar Underdog Xbox
@Tharsman I think it (ouya) was considered a fairly good value emulation machine for a while, kind of lived on in that regard.
Re: Indiana Jones Game Deal Amended to Exclude PS5, PS4
@__jamiie how would that work, it would be streaming only, you wouldn't be able to install Xbox games on a ps or switch.
Re: Indiana Jones Game Deal Amended to Exclude PS5, PS4
I'm surprised Disney allowed it to be amended.
Unless MS threw more money at them. Which I wouldn't be so surprised about 🙄
Re: There's Growing Concern Over Persona Dev's Metaphor: ReFantazio Being an Xbox Exclusive
@Savage_Joe they aren't collective minds though, they are individual people expressing an opinion. Many of them grounded in reality. Xbox historically has not been very interested in jrpgs, if they suddenly want to try and drop some big bucks to turn that tide, then good luck to them, but they have a lot of work (and money) ahead of them.
Re: There's Growing Concern Over Persona Dev's Metaphor: ReFantazio Being an Xbox Exclusive
@Savage_Joe what does 'lose their collective minds' even mean? Have you even read the comments above you?
Re: There's Growing Concern Over Persona Dev's Metaphor: ReFantazio Being an Xbox Exclusive
Microsoft would have to be practically fully funding it's development to convince them to make this exclusive I think. Which I suppose they've got the cash to do if they really wanted to 🤷
Re: SoulCalibur 5 Will Be Axed from the PS Store's Stage of History Next Week
It does seem strange that they can't just leave it up and enjoy the occasional purchase, surely if it's available to redownload it can't cost any more to leave it available to purchase too? Licensing I guess.
Though this is nothing compared to the supposed streaming future. Games that not many people play anymore won't stand a chance there, and you won't be able to rely on 'other methods' either, as the data won't be on anyone's systems.
Re: USA's FTC Poised to Drop Injunction on Xbox's $69 Billion Activision Blizzard Buyout
Always a laugh reading the 'i'm sick of reading about this' comments. Seems a lot of people out there are being held hostage and forced to read things by their captors.
Re: Sorry Physical Fans! The New Like a Dragon May Be Digital Only on PS5, PS4
@tameshiyaku I wont be buying it if it doesn't get a physical release. It's not a dramatic statement, it's just telling the world where I'm personally at with this.
Re: Sorry Physical Fans! The New Like a Dragon May Be Digital Only on PS5, PS4
Well I won't be buying it then. I think they are making a mistake assuming the remaining physical purchasers will just move to digital when their hand is forced.
Re: Persona 5 Tactica Launches 17th November, Persona 3 Reload Early 2024
@Tharsman persona isn't a call of duty, but it's certainly a lot more popular than a lot of franchises out there.
Calling it niche and using the word millions several times in your explanation is kinda eh.
Re: Persona 5 Tactica Launches 17th November, Persona 3 Reload Early 2024
The devil survivor games on 3ds were pretty cool so atlus do have some experience with tactical games, I think it could be good, even if p5 is starting to feel a bit overused.
Re: After a Year of Silence, the Final Fantasy 9 Remake Rumours Have Re-Emerged
It's my favourite final fantasy, a remake would be fantastic, if they keep what I like about it. And yes that means turned based or I'm just going to ignore it.
Re: E3 Killed Itself, Says Summer Game Fest's Geoff Keighley
I don't even know what summer game fest is, is that what killed E3? E3 definitely had the better name so I guess, uh, SGF killed it some other way.
Re: Odd Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Quotes Continue, Don't Need to Play the First Remake
@NEStalgia it's working I guess. I mean if they had just released a full remake that followed the story like expected, we'd have loved it and it would have sold well, but people probably wouldn't be talking about it any more.
Re: Square Enix Allegedly 'Slightly Panicking' About Final Fantasy 16 PS5 Pre-Orders
@JackMiller43 a spokesperson gave a super cringe reason a while ago about how even fantasy games need a level of reality or people won't believe it.