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Quest announced San Andreas ages ago, and haven't spoken about it since.

I buy digital games when they are massively discounted, but unlike physical, there is zero chance of me paying £30+ for one.
I can even understand digital only sometimes for niche/indie games, that may or may not sell well.
This game actually may fall into that category, I guess they aren't going to publicly announce that it's digital only cause it may not sell a lot, hence the amnesia that patches exist.

Edit : And I still think Nintendo and Sony are aware that physical is one of the few remaining advantages over pc, I can't see them giving up physical any time soon.

It's so cringe. Sure the future is always uncertain, but Microsoft definitely know if they currently PLAN to release it on playstation or not, the embarrassing dancing around the question shows that they aren't obviously.

Seems unlikely, Deathloop and Ghostwire were both high risk games, so funding made sense.
Starfield however, a mainline Bethesda game that basically appears to be Skyrim or fallout in space, was always going to be money in the bank.
Exclusivity, even a year would've been big money I think.
Though yeah, even if there was a years exclusivity in the works, buying the whole company just because of that is clearly a silly justification.

@PixelDragon yes those poor people. Nothing but total workplace domination to console themselves with.

@Tharsman I think it (ouya) was considered a fairly good value emulation machine for a while, kind of lived on in that regard.

@__jamiie how would that work, it would be streaming only, you wouldn't be able to install Xbox games on a ps or switch.

I'm surprised Disney allowed it to be amended.
Unless MS threw more money at them. Which I wouldn't be so surprised about 🙄

@Savage_Joe they aren't collective minds though, they are individual people expressing an opinion. Many of them grounded in reality. Xbox historically has not been very interested in jrpgs, if they suddenly want to try and drop some big bucks to turn that tide, then good luck to them, but they have a lot of work (and money) ahead of them.

@Savage_Joe what does 'lose their collective minds' even mean? Have you even read the comments above you?

Microsoft would have to be practically fully funding it's development to convince them to make this exclusive I think. Which I suppose they've got the cash to do if they really wanted to 🤷

It does seem strange that they can't just leave it up and enjoy the occasional purchase, surely if it's available to redownload it can't cost any more to leave it available to purchase too? Licensing I guess.
Though this is nothing compared to the supposed streaming future. Games that not many people play anymore won't stand a chance there, and you won't be able to rely on 'other methods' either, as the data won't be on anyone's systems.

Always a laugh reading the 'i'm sick of reading about this' comments. Seems a lot of people out there are being held hostage and forced to read things by their captors.

@tameshiyaku I wont be buying it if it doesn't get a physical release. It's not a dramatic statement, it's just telling the world where I'm personally at with this.

Well I won't be buying it then. I think they are making a mistake assuming the remaining physical purchasers will just move to digital when their hand is forced.

@Tharsman persona isn't a call of duty, but it's certainly a lot more popular than a lot of franchises out there.
Calling it niche and using the word millions several times in your explanation is kinda eh.

The devil survivor games on 3ds were pretty cool so atlus do have some experience with tactical games, I think it could be good, even if p5 is starting to feel a bit overused.

It's my favourite final fantasy, a remake would be fantastic, if they keep what I like about it. And yes that means turned based or I'm just going to ignore it.

I don't even know what summer game fest is, is that what killed E3? E3 definitely had the better name so I guess, uh, SGF killed it some other way.

@NEStalgia it's working I guess. I mean if they had just released a full remake that followed the story like expected, we'd have loved it and it would have sold well, but people probably wouldn't be talking about it any more.

@JackMiller43 a spokesperson gave a super cringe reason a while ago about how even fantasy games need a level of reality or people won't believe it.

@TrickyDicky99 being unable to to find a physical copy of a game in week one is depressingly common actually, suppliers underestimate the popularity quite often.

@NEStalgia the quest does have an add on head attachment that makes it a lot more appealing, but like all official quest accessories it's very pricey.

If only the music packs were crossbuy with quest. That'd be enough to get me to buy a psvr2 too. I've bought them all on quest though, and there's no way I'm buying them all again.

Isn't knowing the ping enough? I appreciate that wired does indeed improve your connection, but it doesn't guarantee that it's a good one. A good fast isp and a good router is probably faster than a wired slower isp.

@BlueBeemer what are your opinions on streaming, the supposed evolution of the digital future? Games will not be able to be cracked then.

@thetraditional vita's sleep mode is pretty good, but it definitely doesn't keep going for years, maybe two or three weeks of non use before it gives up. Powering it off completely I assume they meant.

@Gamer_Guy It seems to be the digital only crowd are the ones carrying the hatred. Physical fans are happy for both forms to exist, while digital devotees seem to be insulted by the mere existence of physical games.
You love digital, good for you, not sure how your world will be improved if everyone is forced into the same boat as you though.

Edit: And for the the stuff they listed as the reason for this choice, lets face it the real reason is this game isn't going to sell very many copies either way.

@themightyant premium is great value if you take the PS3 streaming into account, bit I think a lot of people can't/don't. I personally can only stream games if my brother's not home, if I try it when he's here he'll immediately start complaining about his counterstrike ping 😐.

I guess, when you are looking at the subscription screen, premium gets the 'might as well' click as it's not much more than extra. I almost upgraded myself for legend of dragoon, but decided to just buy it instead.

@KaijuKaiser i dont think theres been any sign p5 was deliberately/paid exclusive at the time, more that playstation was the only console it made sense for them to release it on.
Things have changed I guess with persona getting more mainstream since then.

It takes a lot to make a long time mmo player move. simply being newer alone isn't enough.
Look at everquest, that's still going, I think almost as popular as it's 'newer' sequel.
Lotro, for its age is still a well written fun time, packed full of the lore of Tolkien.
Although the audience now is relatively small. It could coexist alongside a newer one for certain, assuming it's allowed to, I don't know what the rights situation is.

@Art_Vandelay it's interesting if there'll be an army of 80+ gamers one day. I'm not so sure, interest tends to start waning in most at 40, complaining about wanting shorter/easier experiences etc, it may be that interest has disappeared altogether by then.

@nessisonett yeah the longevity of MMOs on pc can be amazing. Quite a few have been around over 20 years. It seems you only need a relative handful of dedicated players to keep one going, proof that not everything needs to be mass market.

@nessisonett it is, and it's pretty fun to play. The character models are dated, but the scenery still holds up (imo) looks great in some places.
It's pretty generous for a free to play game to.

I love how square thinks turn based fans problem with real time combat is that it's too hard for them.

@JAMes-BroWWWn I think the average jrpg fan owns both a switch and a ps4/5, which is probably why live a live hasn't done better.
As for final fantasy, I guess each game is charting individually, and people are upset that they missed out on the handful of physical copies that got made.

Hes got a point about ecosystems I guess. Trophies and games you've built make moving away increasingly difficult.
Though Xbox did trophies first.
Playstation did start 'giving away' games before Xbox. Xbox finally followed with games with gold, but the games were never of the same quality if I recall.
Ps+ essentials/games with gold has one big ace over game pass/ps+ extra, you 'keep' every game you claim. The longer you stay a member the more invested you become. The new ones have no such loyalty bonus.
Saying good games wouldn't help is a bit odd though, of course they would.

Judging by eBay, they must have made about 10 copies for PS4. Switch physical seems a lot more available though.

I don't feel the need for one, tbh I'm probably going to have to get a better TV before I start seeing any improvements.
But that said, I don't think it'll hurt to release one for the people that do want it. The PS4 pro didn't hurt the PS4 at all, it's not like it ever became essential. It's just a pricier option for the enthusiasts.

I'm assuming an actual physical run will come eventually, just a bit of double (treble?) dipping.
A fomo limited physical release, then digital sales, then I'm hoping the actual physical store release comes eventually.

@SgtTruth lol what? Sony are popular because people currently like and trust them, and they are nowhere anywhere near any sort of monopoly.
Why should be people be forced away from something they like?

They have a place I think, but they aren't going to be the only way to play anytime soon if ever. It's the same as vr and streaming like that, why does something have to 'take over' or be 'the future' to be considered a success?
They can potentially all exist alongside each other, I don't think any of them are going to remove the way we currently consume games.

I remember a old conversation about AI in fighting games. Talking about how it's easy to just make them unbeatable, because they can react to your key presses instantly.
You basically have to make them fail on purpose to make them beatable.

@AverageGamer noble ideas, but even if Microsoft gets Activision, I can't imagine them wanting to pull resources away from the COD teams, they are still going to want them to pump out as many cod games as possible.

@The_Crow_Chat yeah that's the odd part. Xbox users lose nothing, not sure why they are so emotionally attached to the deal.

@cragis0001 not agreeing with you certainly doesn't mean clueless.

@Jamesblob Microsoft publicly swiping at Britain as a whole is deeply irritating (as a Brit!) It's the headline news on the BBC site at the moment.

@StrickenBiged yeah, jrpgs makers have historically skipped Xbox because (I assume) they aren't a big seller among the Xbox audience.
The only ones Xbox seems to get are ones that get gamepass deals.

I loved the original flashback, think I played it on the megadrive. Even finished it, got pretty easy once you got used to the controls (which took a while admittedly).
I might give a sequel a go, even if things have moved on.