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Long story short, you can now play PS5 games on a £200 handheld without needing a console. A very interesting proposition!

So, this is real time combat again instead of turn based? Nice!

@Cerny 30fps x145% is about 44fps, so it stands to reason

@themightyant imagine the social media meltdowns at that price, though

There seem to be a lot of people that don't realise you can just delete games and then reinstall them if you need them 😄!

(Yes I know CoD takes up a trillion TB)

The highest priced SOLD listing on eBay is £229, and most are below £200.

@gollumb82 this isn't why they are publishing PS5 Pro articles. It's because of search engine optimization- there is hype and it drives traffic. and in simple terms because people read and comment on them.

@EfYI

In the grand scheme of things it's not that big an investment and he's generated some internet attention and chat. Fair play to him.

But in no sane world is it a sensible way of "saving" money. It's far too long and there are far too many unknowns. For all we know Sony could withdraw from consoles within 5 years. Or next year he could lose his job, desperately need $1000 for food and rent, and instead has a useless 24 years of PS Plus to his name 🤣.

I suppose this is mostly an attention seeking thing, and fair enough.

But this chap clearly doesn't understand opportunity cost (1) and risk (2).

1. He could probably have gained more value investing it elsewhere or might need it in an emergency
2. Sony could pull it at any point in the future.

@nocdaes yeah retro games can be crazy expensive, but those prices aren't really about playing video games though. Most old games can be emulated or played for free-ish via ROMs, or have been ported. They also hold or even appreciate in value so it's a different proposition.

They are collectibles and should be compared to comics, trading cards, coins, stamps, antique pants... Whatever floats your boat.

Nah. I'm months or years behind normally, and proud.

Strange things happen in charts during a shrinking market. What are Hogwarts and MK11 doing up there? Are they on sale?

Reminds me of the dying days of the Saturn in 1998. Ceefax still showed the charts and you'd get whatever junk EB and Game were selling at 2 for £20, usually Andretti Racing and out of date FIFA and Madden.

It must be nice to have so few problems in your life to be "furious" about not getting some Spider-Man DLC.

@colonelkilgore the future of gaming isn't going to be dominated by PC. A lot of people can't be bothered with that. It'll remain a platform for enthusiasts.

The future, unfortunately, will be streaming.
And in the meantime consoles have plenty of years ahead.

Now imagine if they Remastered and ported Bloodborne

It's not about console power, if it was nobody would make Switch games. And solving the type of development niggles Microsoft will identify through this type of research will be little more than a rounding error in total sales. The PS3 was a ball ache to produce games for, but Playstation is so popular that the games got made regardless.

It's purely about the (reduced) money to be made on Xbox.

Same reason people stopped making Saturn and Dreamcast games.

As long as this has road building and ziplines, a very rare day one purchase for me

Will my Horizon zero Dawn launch disc be eligible, or will you need the Complete Edition?

The market for this is PC gamers and new PS5 owners. Us who've already played it aren't the main targets.

It's an excellent game, I much preferred it to the sequel in fact- which was excessively convoluted in terms of combat and gear, and had a story that was nothing but mcguffin-chasing, padded out and forgettable. Looked gorgeous of course, and still fun.

Performance every time if there's a need for the choice.

On the rare occasions I can notice any difference with fidelity mode, the marginal impact wears off after a few minutes as you get used to it. A high frame rate always feels good.

Also, maybe it's my TV, but fidelity modes always look a bit blurry in motion.

@sanderson72 yes phones aren't a perfect comparison and there's much more competition in that market.

But then again, you can easily buy a tidy PS4 slim and a pile of games for £200 and have 90%* of the fun of a brand new PS5 Pro.

The new game console market is very price sensitive when compared to most others.

(* Not a scientific study.)

The price has shocked a lot of people. And it's probably not worth it for most.

But Google is casually selling the fancy new Pixel phones for £1,750 and I don't see any uproar. As the article says, it's probably about the expected price.

If it was £649 with the disc drive, it'd be a pretty decent deal.

I think Sony is missing a trick not offering monthly payments like Xbox do (did?).

@bindiana yes I've realised the same thing. I genuinely can't see any benefit from Fidelity mode on my relatively cheap 4K Samsung in most games, in fact fidelity mode tends to be blurrier with the lower frame rate.

So I do doubt it'll do justice to the PS5 Pro.

Will just stick with normal PS5 in performance mode.

@Zemo55 haha ok that's taking liberties!

@Zemo55 Asda was an anomaly then, I don't think anywhere else was selling it, outside of eBay and Facebook, since hours after the announcement day. Asda have taken it off sale now anyway.

I ordered it at Shopto and Hit on the 5th Sept as an experiment and they cancelled the orders.

Concord is a special case- Sony issued an order to remove all copies from sale. We're not talking normal dead servers here, with games that still kinda work offline, like with Worms and half of everything Ubisoft's ever sold.

I genuinely struggle to see the benefit of Fidelity mode. Maybe it's my eyes or my TV. So while this would be nice for the fancy lighting and stuff, I just can't justify £700 for such minor improvement.

@Zemo55 nah, not online, unless you can convince someone in the store to sell you one.

@riceNpea there is scarcity and demand now, simply because it was such a failure and it's now nearly impossible to buy one at retail.

It's a really unusual case and while maybe it doesn't meet the textbook definition of scalping, it's pretty close.

I bought a copy from Asda yesterday, mostly for comedy value and just in case it is indeed valuable in future.

It all depends what happens to the multiple thousands of unsold copies. If they are destroyed at Sony's behest then the sold copies might be valuable purely as a collectible. If an "enterprising" person somehow gets hold of boxes of them from the warehouse and floods the market then it'll be pretty worthless.

There are several sold listings for £50-100 on eBay at the moment as well, which is a bit mad.

I can't see them ever going back on retail sale, most likely digital FTP or forever shut down.

People keep saying that live service/ online multiplayer games aren't what gamers want, when in fact that is where the vast majority of revenue comes from. Money talks. The likes of us who post on Push Square aren't the target for live service games.

I'm happy with high quality single player games, but that's not what the masses are spending on.

The failure here, however, was charging for a mediocre game when its (better) competitors are free, with loyal player bases. It makes Anthem look successful!

@Rob3008 same. I know it's meant to be epic but never clicked for me. Still on the backlog.

TimeSplitters a great addition!

@jeff19023 I haven't played The Witcher 3, been on my backlog for 8 years. In fact I'd estimate about 6.9 billion people haven't played it.

Thanks for the interview, games sounds interesting

Quite surprised at all the "there's no games and there's barely any difference" comments. I think the PS5 is fantastic, I'm pretty overwhelmed with how many games there are to play. And it's common to get used to the visual upgrades so it doesn't feel so special. It's like getting used to 4K TV- try going back to an old DVD and it's shocking.

We have been missing some truly enormous and groundbreaking games recently (the likes of Red Dead 2) but that's not really a PS5 problem.

Am glad 2018 landed ahead of Ragnarok, which was beautiful but underwhelming for me.

@Shushibda fr no cap this slaps rizz

(I don't know what I'm doing)

When did the slightly meaningless "day and date" replace "on the same day"?

@sd7232 I'm just messing don't worry

I went for a digital PS5 to stop myself hoarding physical games. A hard stop to an, on reflection , unhealthy habit. Now I only buy a digital game when I need something to play which is getting rarer these days. The decision was easier when you consider that all discs seem to need updating, many games require online connections, internet is blazing fast now (sympathy for those without!), and many games aren't made physical anymore.

Have now whittled down to just a moderate sized collection of stuff I really loved or want to keep for the memories. Anything disc based for PS4 onwards I don't even have a way to play them at home.

I do get the archival argument and I'm happy physical is still going, but it occured to me a while back that I don't personally need to be the one building an extensive archive. Unless the apocalypse hits we'll be able to find stuff if we really want it one day.

Completing them is possible? LOL. Completing just the base of Snowrunner is easily 100 hours if you make barely any mistakes.

@Texan_Survivor I agree with you that the LOU, HFW and GoW sequels aren't as good, in terms of story, as the originals. Haven't played SM2.

But they're still excellent games, technical marvels really, that can only be played on Sony consoles (and PC?). And these are the games that mean people choose PS over Xbox.

@Grimwood AC7 is great though. The interface takes a short while to get used to. And the story is nonsense, but skippable. When the battles "click" and you realise what's going on, it's an excellent arcade/sim hybrid. Give it another try?

The campaign on this was a lot of fun

This will get thrown out. It's not a monopoly or anything close to an essential service like utilities or food. Sony will also show that it has regular discounts and subscription services.
We'd all like cheaper games but there's no legal case here, surely.

Not a single one selected Death Stranding. Fuming.

I think the 2018 game was a lot better paced and obviously it broke a lot more new ground.

My favourite Sony game of the generation is Gran Turismo 7 and of all time it's Last of Us.

A very well made game no doubt, it looks amazing, has a great script and character interaction, and there were some really impressive boss battles and it was a satisfying ending.

But let's be honest, the overall story is mostly forgettable and overly long with all manner of padding and MacGuffins, the combat is very repetitive, the world is beautiful but linear and pretty empty, the platforming amounts to "push up and press circle", the gear and skills upgrade system is overly complex for what is actually pretty basic in RPG terms, and the puzzles are very easy.

A decent 8.5/10 at best I reckon.

@Voltan yes but only for games on the subscription, now they've added the ability to stream some games that you own that aren't on the subscription library.