IceClimbers

My problem with the outrage is where were these people for DMC V, MH Rise, RE4 Remake, etc? ALL of those games have microtransactions. All of them, and now it's suddenly an issue?

If you're going to be outraged about it, do it for all of it, or not at all. The double standards and hypocrisy makes it hard to take the outrage seriously.

@UltimateOtaku91 It's coming in 2026 according to said road map. So we'll have to wait quite a while.

Makes sense. We knew that was coming eventually.

Also I disagree about this pointing to PS5 in 2019. I still think that's a 2020 thing. Honestly though, I'm not sure the market is ready for next gen consoles yet. Feels too soon despite the PS4/XB1 releasing five years ago.

I feel like this is a case of where there's smoke, there's fire: Bandai Namco will probably announce some games in December at some point.

Pokemon Gold and Rocket League this weekend. Also got a bit of Splatoon 2 in for the Splatfest

@johncalmc @gmxs I disagree, I think it'll be a repeat of last year. Everybody thought Uncharted 4 had it in the bag yet Overwatch won. This year it'll be PUBG winning even though people think Zelda will win.

@Fight_Teza_Fight NBA 2K18 did do well though, or at least according to Take Two's expectations.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/7bkdua/taketwo_very_pleased_with_nba_2k18_sales_on_switch/

As for Doom, yes, it did poorly in it's UK debut. But again, the UK is not representative of other markets at all! The UK is one of Nintendo's poorest markets.

But sure, FIFA is gonna kill third party support for others who have had success on Switch. /s

Try again.

@naruball Out of the ones that have supported Switch? Yes, they've all said they're pleased with their sales except for EA. So I do know that.

Unless you're gonna go conspiracy theorist and say they're lying? Are you really gonna go there?

@Fight_Teza_Fight Except the big publishers so far have done the opposite, and have been pleased with their sales on Switch. Doom's UK sales aren't representative of everywhere else either.

EA is literally the only publisher so far that hasn't been pleased with their sales.

@BLP_Software Dragon Ball is probably the most reasonable thing as far as the Switch stuff goes.

@Constable_What That's not really fair though; all games are a poor man's Knack 2

The last CoD I enjoyed was BO2. Just stale to me now. Would rather spend my time and money on other games.

The trailer didn't feel anymore gruesome or disturbing than some of the scenes in the Walking Dead. Don't really have an issue with it.

They're also going to start reporting MAUs apparently, which is fine so long as they still report hardware and software sales as well.

Anyways, ugghh at microtransactions.

Not far behind the 3DS

Gross. The only EA games I've picked up this generation are Dragon Inquisition and SW Battlefront. The former wasn't all that great, while the latter was rather enjoyable despite being shallow and not playing like the old school ones.

Not interested in pretty much anything they put out these days.

PS: Bayonetta 2 was robbed that year at the Game Awards - it definitely should have won over Dragon Age!

@Reanfan7 If it does get localized expect it to only release in Europe and not in North America.

Basically the game was a story-driven single player game and not a game as a service, so they're shutting Visceral down and revamping the game.

That's what that translates to.

@Shepherd_Tallon If Microsoft wanted to artificially boost their MAUs, don't you think they would've done so with the mobile versions, which has a bigger audience than all three consoles combined?

The beta definitely felt... off. The first one was enjoyable at it's core for what it was, even though it wasn't like the old Pandemic Battlefronts.

The progression system/star cards being tied to lootcrates is disgusting though.

I'll maybe buy this game when it's much cheaper down the line to play the campaign. In the meantime I'll be busy with other games or I'll play some of Pandemic's Battlefront II.

@BLP_Software Pretty sure this type of game doesn't have a market on Xbox period. It'll probably come to it anyways like Code Vein, but both games are gonna flop hard on Xbox.

South Park! Working through the games I've picked up over the past few months though. Midway through World 3 on Mario + Rabbids. Pokemon Gold, Steamworld Dig 2, Yakuza 0, and Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 are next. Super Mario Odyssey will be my end of year holiday title.

I should also point out some of the singleplayer games that have struggled: Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Dishonored II, and Prey.

In my above examples of games that are exceptions, two of those have DLC (RE7, Mario + Rabbids)!

@lixei32 Agreed. All three look excellent.

@ShogunRok @get2sammyb Another aspect with those examples to point out is that they're massive open world games with hundreds of hours of content. $60 AAA singleplayer games pretty much have to be open world or have open world elements for people to justify paying full price these days. Even Super Mario Odyssey is evidence of this (granted, Nintendo or Sony 1st party games seem to largely be the exception - people are willing to pay full price for those).

The days of the $60 AAA singlepayer game that's 20 hours or less selling super well are numbered. This year has had a few exceptions with Resident Evil 7 (though that was disappointing in comparison to Capcom's lofty expectations), Nier Automata, and Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, however.

There's a few upcoming ones next month that would fall into this category: South Park, Evil Within 2, and Wolfenstein II. We'll see how well these three do, but it wouldn't surprise me if all three struggle.

@johncalmc You could also just as easily argue that DS + PSP numbers was a market anomaly, and that the drop was simply market correction and nothing else. 3DS + Vita aren't that far off from GBA numbers.

Keep in mind this move to GaaS applies to the AAA scene. In the future, singleplayer AAA games will be few and far between - especially when it comes to western studios -, and the ones that do exist will be open world games (note: Sony and Nintendo will likely still push out a lot of non-open world singleplayer AAA games; this applies to third parties mostly).

The hope here should be that this results in mid-tier development re-emerging from the western studios to cover the singleplayer games. Japanese devs will still put out a lot of singleplayer stuff because they largely don't use AAA budgets.

In the case of Square Enix, I'd expect this to primarily apply to their western studios/Eidos. The Japanese side likely won't be affected as much as most of their output isn't AAA. Final Fantasy is probably the exception though; that's already going GaaS. We'll see what happens with Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts.

What was the cut off date for the month?

Wouldn't be surprised if this is PS4 exclusive in the west (meaning the 3DS and Switch versions are Japan only)

Those stock issues are unfortunate. Not a whole lot they can do about it thanks to the component shortages.

So like Nintendo, they're shifting focus on to their own events rather than E3. E3 isn't as important or relevant as it once was.

@Gamer83

That's a Sony fanboy excuse. They don't "lose their competitive edge" at all. There's plenty of reasons to buy a PS4, as it has a range of excellent exclusive titles both 1st and 3rd party.

You can't get Nioh, Nier Automata, Yakuza 0 or Persona 5 on an Xbox One or Nintendo Switch.

For consumer affordable consoles, guess which platform multiplats run best on? PS4 (or PS4 Pro if you consider that affordable). XB1X is niche and not affordable for most.

Which company has almost all of the major marketing deals again? Sony.

There is ZERO excuse for Sony not getting in on this.

Rocket League just got announced for Switch with cross play with the Xbox One and Steam versions. No PS4.

So is Microsoft the one behind this too, or will the Sony fanboys admit Sony's at fault?

Sony gets a Buffering/10 this year.

Worst one in years. Very disappointing. Found myself saying "that's it?" after the presentation ended. The crowd was dead. Still looking forward to the games coming of course.

Unless Nintendo comes out swinging in their 25 minute presentation tomorrow, I think Ubisoft won this year. Can't believe I just said that.

Interesting to see some complaints about the number of multiplayer games though.

Better get used to it folks - that's where the industry is heading.

What an insane year 2017 will be (and has been)!

Best conference so far.

Skull & Bones, Mario + Rabbids, Starlink, the two South Park games, and BG&E2 were excellent.

Just Sony and Nintendo left...

There's no justifying this. By staying out of this they miss out on:
-Super Duper Graphics Pack
-dedicated servers
-Realms/infinite worlds
-cross-platform play
-DLC cross buy across all platforms.

Isolating your user base from everyone else is a poor, anti-consumer move. Terrible move by Sony.

Thought it was kinda cringeworthy. Wolfenstein and Evil Within 2 look good. Was cool to see the Switch version of Skyrim get highlighted.

Paid mods though? Barf.

The droid and clone voices are from Clone Wars! A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

Also that excellent sound design mixed with duel of the fates is glorious. Little weird seeing Rey in a prequel era battle

@get2sammyb I feel like people missed the 2017 part of that. Almost voted yes and then I saw that. No way is it launching this year.

Loved the Ubisoft cringe question lol

I'll watch Sony and Nintendo's live. Maybe Ubisoft.

Dammit now my hopes are up.

That's a great bundle for kids.

Spider-Man of course! Huge Spidey fan, and I think Insomniac can create the best Spider-Man game since the movie tie-in Spider-Man 2 on the PS2/Xbox.

I'm really excited for The Last of Us Part II, but that game is a few years off, and I don't think we'll see it at E3. I hope we hear confirmation of the Emma Stone rumors for Death Stranding though.

Beyond that, I think we'll see Sucker Punch's new game. I also think the 4chan rumor about Monster Hunter 5 is real, though that's 3rd party.

@get2sammyb Yup, live games or "games as a platform" are definitely the future. Considering Activision Blizzard just made $3.6 billion on DLC/season passes/microtransactions last year, it's totally understandable as to why this is happening, at least for multiplayer games.

Who wants to take bets on the 3DS version not getting localized?

@BertoFlyingFox @getsammy2b Then at the opposite end of the spectrum is Nintendo, who pretty much never drops the prices of their games until they decide to release their Selects line several years in.

Both ends are extremes honestly. Surely there's a healthy middleground for the industry?

And this was before the Knack 2 announcement. They should have December on lock.