Sonys investment in live service is the equivalent of someone putting £100 on an acca on a football betting site. Most of them wont pay off but if one pays off it will pay -big-
@CutchuSlow I get your point and I dont disagree on Sonys tactics. But that last bit. Trillion dollar company trying to keep themselves alive in a market? Nah. They are just trying to buy competitive advantage same as Sony, but on a bigger scale.
@Tharsman agree. The hoo har with this one seems to be around something Phil said about not taking games away from PS.
Dont know the ins and outs but Id hazard a guess development was in pre production when the acquisition went through so a contract amendment at that stage is perfectly fine.
Should he have made a broad statement like that and not think it wouldnt come back to bite him? Nope. But how many times has Jim Ryan done the exact same, all as bad as each other.
@Tharsman its a little bit different than Spiderman. Sony bought the licensing rights to the franchise for film and gaming rather than just to make a singular game exclusive.
If it turns out MS has done the same with the Indy license you are right its hypocrisy to complain about one over other.
Outside of that I am not sure it can be compared though? Maybe Im wrong. I am in the camp of I dont see the issue anyway it happened with Redfall was bound to here too.
@Triumph741 just games with a small budget and not special? I recommend giving Indie Game the Movie a watch the amount of effort those people go into just to get a game out there is unreal and some indie games are absolute classics.
I dont disagree with Rockstar games pushing the envelope at all, they do. But you cant discount all linear experiences as being dinosaurs. They offer something different and there are some cracking linear games out there.
As for boycotting Ubi and Guirella for being lazy. I dont really play Ubi games so cant comment. As for Guirella Horizon is their only open world franchise so cant really say they copy and paste the same formula into all of their games. Their releases prior were mainly FPS.
@Triumph741 none of the games in my earlier post were made by Sony studios so a bit off base making that comparison.
They were all made by indies. Indie devs keep the industry fresh. Provide something new. Because they are indies a lot of the games due to dev size are linear experiences, doesnt make them dinosaurs.
You seem to be intent on just plugging Starfield into every comment so I am probably wasting time here, but linear and open world provide very different experiences, they cant be compared directly.
@Triumph741 Great games just need to be fun to play. What defines that is down to the individual gamer. Big budget doesnt always = a good game.
Way you are talking its like you have access to some Starfield review code already. Lets see come September, I am sure it will be a great game but even if it is, it is not the only one pushing the medium forward.
If open world games were the only games pushing it on the industry is in a sad state.
@Triumph741 I still remember Project Ego on Xbox "anything you see in the distance you can walk to it" turned out to be Fable and while a great game in its own right, was a classic example of being far from the vision the dev talked it up to be.
Its certain from footage so far Starfield is vast, it is ambitious but without it being out and played, driving the medium forward is a bit premature, remember how long it has been in development for. Almost a case example of the point of the article.
Ubi games are bad examples but I would argue games like lets say, Journey or Pentiment, or Limbo, or Ori, do as much to "drive the medium forward" as any AAA game out there with a fraction of the development time.
I think its pretty clear they are permanently going down the road of (with exception of Spiderman) saving any detailed look at first party games for State of Plays. Which is why they perhaps were not shown much here. Announcing them here with CGI trailers imo would have been a bad idea.
Geoff Keighley has probably secured a couple for Summer Games Fest but outside of that id expect SoPs.
This one was mainly to showcase indies, third parties and the upcoming GaaS titles.
Still convinced a new Syphon Filter on the cards after all the classic releases. But will be good either way to see what all the first parties cooking up.
I get the worry but I think it is too early to have it.
I dont think it is the lack of software or the lack of marketing that is causing the issue. Its the price. And that is the risk with a high end product.
Eventually manufacturing costs catch up and that price comes down. By that time there will be a lot more content and it may hit its stride.
Like most 3d sonics going to be a bit of a marmite type of game. But i preordered and enjoying it so far. On the level of Generations? Not quite but one of the better games in recent years.
On one hand, I can understand these remasters targeting those new to the Playstation Ecosystem that have not played the original games.
But on the other, it is just the price. Even targeting those players I cannot understand or see how they could justify the £70 price tag on Last of Us Part I so if this goes the same way it paints a very bad picture.
Its basically a mainstream tv show about a zombie virus with Resident Evil brand tacked on to it to sell it. Thats what it felt like for me watching it.
Lance Reddick made it watchable imo. Great actor that sometimes ends up in these mainstream car crashes. Must pay well though!
@Neverwild I rarely input on tit for tat but im going to as a one off.
Id second check that one @NEStalgia is one of the regulars across both sites that stays out of the console wars bs and most of their posts are a good read.
Was it a badly timed dig? Maybe but as a multiformat user myself you cant help but think if Jim saw an in for NFTs, he would be in.
On the same token. MS would absolutely do the same if they found a minimal impact on PR way to do it.
Jim Ryan is the gaming equivalent of lets say Ed Woodward at Man Utd.
Ed isnt a football man. Jim isnt a gaming man. And it reflects in some of the quotes and perception. But both are good at making their companies a lot of money.
I just wish they would put someone else in play as the PR guy. Like Phil is at MS and Reggie was at Nintendo.
They are missing Tretton and Layden on that front.
They will be waiting to be ready to show actual gameplay for what is coming.
People seem to forget how much they got slated for showing CGI trailers and nothing else for games announced way too early. Taking a different approach.
He has come out with some clangers but I think he has been translated incorrectly on this one. Simply talking about memorable games being the best not only the best being memorable.
@Col_McCafferty one is timed exclusivity. The other is trying to gain a monopoly. I have a Series X but Microsoft are being painted as some pro consumer saint this gen. I dont get the hype. They are not a charity they will make that money back later.
If as rumour is to be believed a few more acquisitions are in pipeline for Microsoft I expect some drama.
@K1LLEGAL timed exclusives have existed since the retro days. But the practice kicked up a gear in the last decade. Best example in 2014 Rise of the Tomb Raider. The company who moneyhatted it? Microsoft.
Sony may be still giving the practice some life this gen but they have all been at it.
Xbox had a timed exclusive on Yakuza 7's next gen patch. A patch....
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Re: FTC Fails to Delay Microsoft's $69 Billion Buyout of Activision Blizzard
Bickering and drama over here too. Oh the internet.
Both boxes are as plastic as each other. No need to go to war for either.
Re: Sony Is Increasing R&D Costs to Fuel Live Service Games, Report Claims
Sonys investment in live service is the equivalent of someone putting £100 on an acca on a football betting site. Most of them wont pay off but if one pays off it will pay -big-
Re: Reaction: What Happens to PlayStation if Microsoft Buys Activision Blizzard?
@CutchuSlow I get your point and I dont disagree on Sonys tactics. But that last bit. Trillion dollar company trying to keep themselves alive in a market? Nah. They are just trying to buy competitive advantage same as Sony, but on a bigger scale.
Re: PlayStation and Other Gaming Titans Flock to Twitter Rival Threads
@AdamNovice second this haha. MySpace was so simple. Where is Tom when you need him.
"MySpace Angle" will always be a term for selfies I find hilarious.
Re: Sony 'Can't Risk' Sharing PS6 Details with a Microsoft-Owned Activision
I can kinda see the argument but not the way its presented. They will be expecting MS to reveal the same to Bungie so its a bit pot and kettle.
I suppose the biggest difference is I doubt any Bungie content will be exclusive to PS.
Re: Indiana Jones Game Deal Amended to Exclude PS5, PS4
@Tharsman agree. The hoo har with this one seems to be around something Phil said about not taking games away from PS.
Dont know the ins and outs but Id hazard a guess development was in pre production when the acquisition went through so a contract amendment at that stage is perfectly fine.
Should he have made a broad statement like that and not think it wouldnt come back to bite him? Nope. But how many times has Jim Ryan done the exact same, all as bad as each other.
Re: Indiana Jones Game Deal Amended to Exclude PS5, PS4
@Tharsman thanks for clarifying that makes more sense to me now.
Re: Indiana Jones Game Deal Amended to Exclude PS5, PS4
@Tharsman its a little bit different than Spiderman. Sony bought the licensing rights to the franchise for film and gaming rather than just to make a singular game exclusive.
If it turns out MS has done the same with the Indy license you are right its hypocrisy to complain about one over other.
Outside of that I am not sure it can be compared though? Maybe Im wrong. I am in the camp of I dont see the issue anyway it happened with Redfall was bound to here too.
Re: Starfield, Redfall Exclusivity 'Powerful Evidence' Against Xbox's Activision Buyout, Claims FTC
-grabs popcorn-
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Triumph741 just games with a small budget and not special? I recommend giving Indie Game the Movie a watch the amount of effort those people go into just to get a game out there is unreal and some indie games are absolute classics.
I dont disagree with Rockstar games pushing the envelope at all, they do. But you cant discount all linear experiences as being dinosaurs. They offer something different and there are some cracking linear games out there.
As for boycotting Ubi and Guirella for being lazy. I dont really play Ubi games so cant comment. As for Guirella Horizon is their only open world franchise so cant really say they copy and paste the same formula into all of their games. Their releases prior were mainly FPS.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Triumph741 none of the games in my earlier post were made by Sony studios so a bit off base making that comparison.
They were all made by indies. Indie devs keep the industry fresh. Provide something new. Because they are indies a lot of the games due to dev size are linear experiences, doesnt make them dinosaurs.
You seem to be intent on just plugging Starfield into every comment so I am probably wasting time here, but linear and open world provide very different experiences, they cant be compared directly.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Triumph741 Great games just need to be fun to play. What defines that is down to the individual gamer. Big budget doesnt always = a good game.
Way you are talking its like you have access to some Starfield review code already. Lets see come September, I am sure it will be a great game but even if it is, it is not the only one pushing the medium forward.
If open world games were the only games pushing it on the industry is in a sad state.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Triumph741 I still remember Project Ego on Xbox "anything you see in the distance you can walk to it" turned out to be Fable and while a great game in its own right, was a classic example of being far from the vision the dev talked it up to be.
Its certain from footage so far Starfield is vast, it is ambitious but without it being out and played, driving the medium forward is a bit premature, remember how long it has been in development for. Almost a case example of the point of the article.
Ubi games are bad examples but I would argue games like lets say, Journey or Pentiment, or Limbo, or Ori, do as much to "drive the medium forward" as any AAA game out there with a fraction of the development time.
Great games dont always need open worlds.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Snake_V5 aye we are in a generation of idiots with a "model myself on reality tv stars like its an obsession" its kinda sad. Lol.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Tharsman couldnt agree with this more. The obsession with production value is ruining gaming a bit for me.
If I wanted that Id watch a movie. With games I just want fun gameplay.
Re: BMX-Based Deliveroo Outing Parcel Corps Pedals to PS5, And We Want It Now
@Ravix takes me back that one!
Re: Poll: Was This Sony's Best PlayStation Showcase Yet?
I think its pretty clear they are permanently going down the road of (with exception of Spiderman) saving any detailed look at first party games for State of Plays. Which is why they perhaps were not shown much here. Announcing them here with CGI trailers imo would have been a bad idea.
Geoff Keighley has probably secured a couple for Summer Games Fest but outside of that id expect SoPs.
This one was mainly to showcase indies, third parties and the upcoming GaaS titles.
Re: PlayStation Showcase Finally Announced for 24th May
Still convinced a new Syphon Filter on the cards after all the classic releases. But will be good either way to see what all the first parties cooking up.
Re: 23 Games Hit PS Plus Extra, Premium Next Week in Big Update
I am convinced (and hopeful) with all the Syphon Filter games on Premium that a new one is Sony Bends next game.
Re: Shuhei Yoshida Gets on the Sticks for Chill Let's Play Indies! Tchia Sesh
@NEStalgia second that.
Re: Shuhei Yoshida Gets on the Sticks for Chill Let's Play Indies! Tchia Sesh
I would totally be for replacing Jim Ryan with Shu but I doubt he would want the job.
He is a saving grace for Sonys indie relations though.
Re: Soapbox: PSVR2 Already Feels Like It's on Course for Failure
@AdamNovice agree. I also think they knew the price would have a slow adoption rate along with it.
Re: Soapbox: PSVR2 Already Feels Like It's on Course for Failure
I get the worry but I think it is too early to have it.
I dont think it is the lack of software or the lack of marketing that is causing the issue. Its the price. And that is the risk with a high end product.
Eventually manufacturing costs catch up and that price comes down. By that time there will be a lot more content and it may hit its stride.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 457
'Scuse the monotone format
PS5 - finishing up GOW Ragnarok/making more headway in Callisto Protocol
Series X - High on Life (not me the game obvs!)
Switch - Bayonetta 3
Re: Out Today: The Witcher 3's Free PS5 Upgrade Is Available Now
@fido thanks mate!
Re: Out Today: The Witcher 3's Free PS5 Upgrade Is Available Now
Anyone know the actual download file size on PS5 version?
Only got 80gb free so I feel i may have to finish some other stuff first or consider an SSD purchase.
Re: Poll: Did You Buy Sonic Frontiers?
Like most 3d sonics going to be a bit of a marmite type of game. But i preordered and enjoying it so far. On the level of Generations? Not quite but one of the better games in recent years.
Re: FIFA 23's World Cup Mode Arrives 9th November for Free
@ShogunRok Needs to recover from that Leeds defeat first.
Re: Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.25 Includes Four More Cars, Out on PS5, PS4 Soon
Looking forward to trying Whitby out.
Re: Talking Point: We Need to Discuss This Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Remaster
On one hand, I can understand these remasters targeting those new to the Playstation Ecosystem that have not played the original games.
But on the other, it is just the price. Even targeting those players I cannot understand or see how they could justify the £70 price tag on Last of Us Part I so if this goes the same way it paints a very bad picture.
Re: Hardware Review: Sony INZONE H9 - Taking Your Audio Experience to the Next Level
As a PS5 and Series X owner does this work on both? Looking to upgrade my Steel Series 7x.
Re: Poll: Is PS Plus Premium Good Enough?
At the minute I am in the camp of its early days for the revamped service as a whole, give it time.
Fast forward 6 months from now if its still the same I might change my mind.
Re: We're Sure Fans Will Be Rational Over This The Last of Us PS5 Clip
This is being targeted towards PS5 owners who have come from other formats and have never played it.
Is it a cash grab? To an extent as they know those who have never owned ps3/4 probably would take a punt.
But those of us who have played it cant get in too much of a tizzy over it, we just dont buy it.
Re: TV Show Review: Resident Evil (Netflix) - Braindead Horror for the Riverdale Crowd
Its basically a mainstream tv show about a zombie virus with Resident Evil brand tacked on to it to sell it. Thats what it felt like for me watching it.
Lance Reddick made it watchable imo. Great actor that sometimes ends up in these mainstream car crashes. Must pay well though!
Re: PS Stars' Digital Collectibles Are 'Definitely Not' NFTs, Sony Stresses
@Neverwild I rarely input on tit for tat but im going to as a one off.
Id second check that one @NEStalgia is one of the regulars across both sites that stays out of the console wars bs and most of their posts are a good read.
Was it a badly timed dig? Maybe but as a multiformat user myself you cant help but think if Jim saw an in for NFTs, he would be in.
On the same token. MS would absolutely do the same if they found a minimal impact on PR way to do it.
Re: God of War Ragnarok Release Date Confirmed for 9th November
@NEStalgia I dont think the state of play will be far behind this. But I agree.
I think this was driven more by all the vitriol the devs got for missing an initial announcement date. Never seen that before either.
Re: God of War Ragnarok Release Date Confirmed for 9th November
@NEStalgia they will save a gameplay blowout for a state of play im guessing.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 402
PS5 : GTA Trilogy
Series X: Forza Horizon 5
Bugs aside I am enjoying the nostalgia kick from GTA. The originals were a little glitchy anyway so not bothering me.
Re: Jim Ryan to Discuss PlayStation's Past and Gaming's Future in Fireside Chat
Jim Ryan is the gaming equivalent of lets say Ed Woodward at Man Utd.
Ed isnt a football man. Jim isnt a gaming man. And it reflects in some of the quotes and perception. But both are good at making their companies a lot of money.
I just wish they would put someone else in play as the PR guy. Like Phil is at MS and Reggie was at Nintendo.
They are missing Tretton and Layden on that front.
Re: Death Stranding Director's Cut PS5 Upgrade Is Just £5 in the UK
If Sony are smart they could curry favour with the paid upgrades by offering upgrades to deluxe editions as a default moving forward.
Would make the upgrade path worth the price.
Re: We're Nearing a Year Since the Last Major PlayStation Press Conference
They are just shying away from a load of announcement trailers and showing separate gameplay reveals.
They used to get slated for doing the opposite before lol
Re: Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice Next-Gen Upgrade Skipping PS5
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Re: After E3 2021 No Show, Sony's Seemingly Skipping Gamescom As Well
They will be waiting to be ready to show actual gameplay for what is coming.
People seem to forget how much they got slated for showing CGI trailers and nothing else for games announced way too early. Taking a different approach.
Re: Jim Ryan Says Players Only Remember the Best Games
@JJ2 its like there is a gang with pitchforks camped online whos sole purpose is to wait for him to open his mouth.
Re: Jim Ryan Says Players Only Remember the Best Games
He has come out with some clangers but I think he has been translated incorrectly on this one. Simply talking about memorable games being the best not only the best being memorable.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 383
Series X - Doom Eternal loving the upgrade. More FH4 convinced ill never finish it before FH5 🤣
PS5 - Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Switch - gonna make a start on the new Mario Golf
Re: Random: PlayStation Fans Start Petition to Cancel Hideo Kojima's Rumoured Xbox Game
Hearing rumblings on social media it was an Xbox fan trolling that did it.
Re: Report: How PlayStation Is Failing Indie Developers
Makes you wonder if Shu's hands are being tied. As head of indies I cant see this happening on his watch if he had weight.
Re: Sony on Upcoming PS5 Games: Wait Until You See What's Coming from Our Third-Party Partners
@Col_McCafferty one is timed exclusivity. The other is trying to gain a monopoly. I have a Series X but Microsoft are being painted as some pro consumer saint this gen. I dont get the hype. They are not a charity they will make that money back later.
If as rumour is to be believed a few more acquisitions are in pipeline for Microsoft I expect some drama.
Re: Sony on Upcoming PS5 Games: Wait Until You See What's Coming from Our Third-Party Partners
@K1LLEGAL timed exclusives have existed since the retro days. But the practice kicked up a gear in the last decade. Best example in 2014 Rise of the Tomb Raider. The company who moneyhatted it? Microsoft.
Sony may be still giving the practice some life this gen but they have all been at it.
Xbox had a timed exclusive on Yakuza 7's next gen patch. A patch....