As a 'real gamer' (TM) I'm contractually obligated per the social media rules to say Fortnite sucks blah blah blah. /S
(If this is the multiplayer game my friends want to play these next few months I'll play it and enjoy spending time with my friends. I have plenty of 'real' sp games to keep me busy otherwise)
The playerbase for this game on pc and Xbox is probably pretty saturated by now and it's not a system seller so I'd say a ps release is a net positive. Switch 2 would be icing on the cake
People seem to really enjoy saying how bad GPU is for cod and for gamers in general. Quoting the price of GPU for a year instead of buying cod. Which if you will ONLY play cod.... Fair enough.
I've had GPU on and off as things that interest me appear but I mostly game on a ps5 for mainstream titles.
For me gamepass allowed me to play and fall in love with franchise's that I hadn't even considered buying on sale. Starting with Yakuza 0 I was able to play through 700+ hours across Yakuza games a d now buy new Yakuza games day 1.
Another 100+ hours was slay the spire that I never thought I'd play. Another 200+ hours on Disney dream light valley for some time with my partner on its release. (She's since bought it for herself on the switch and my god the poor performance hurts me).
On top of this I 'shared' my gamepass with my at the time financially struggling younger brother and he appreciated being able to play on his own Xbox with his friends on games he otherwise couldn't.
Finally my best friend has 2 hyperactive children with the attention span of peanuts who each have an Xbox, shared game pass and devour every remotely new game that pops up until they quickly tire and move on. While he enjoys games like age of empires on his pc to his hearts content.
These were the people gamepass was made for originally. (So they said) A low price point of entry to see and try a multitude of games you otherwise might not. The constant price increases and the recent change to exclusives day one on GPU only have hurt that image greatly for me.
But I am still confident that the original idea was actually just to start this gateway to the world of cloud gaming platform for the next generation of gamers. Not for me or for most of us who use these news sites and only see our own opinions reflected back at us.
@NEStalgia can't agree more. The moment gaming as a medium switched to an online social platform with backlogs of games and digital sales the wave started. Sony won THE critical generations for the console gaming space.
Everyone must know on some level that a very large part of Sony's power is simply..... Sunken cost fallacy... We've all poured money, time and emotion into the brand and our accounts. Made friends and memories on the playstation.
Without a firing on all cylinders rival no amount of bad, but not industry ending, disasters was going to topple sonys place at no.1
Sony know this so they are striking while the iron is hot to make money off of us. Pure business. I hate it but get it.
Microsoft know it. They can't win in the raw console space by throwing money against the wave. Even good games wouldn't budge the needle enough. So they are laying groundwork for cloud gaming hoping the NEXT era of gaming will be theirs. A gamble I'm interested but not particularly looking forward to seeing.
The biggest issue with adapting Yakuza is that the main story is always exactly as serious and melodramatic as the show is being. The silly, goofy side almost exclusively comes from side content that's almost impossible to adapt as it is completely off tone from the rest. In game form it works, but I don't think it ever will for TV the same way
@DennisReynolds in terms of optics surrounding this release they had to in my opinion.
It was a very good game with a solid writing that well respected player time for an open world game unlike it's contemporaries or it's sequel.
However with minimal alternative story options and a satisfying but not addictive gameplay it does not interest me in a replay for purely graphical upgrades as someone who played everything the original had to offer.
By doing the upgrade paths there are many who will purchase but not play or simply dip a toe in to their original save and do a tour. Those who purchase it full price are unaffected and of course cannot bypass it by buying the original, digitally anyway, so their profit line is likely higher with a £10 upgrade available.
This doesn't happen like this for other Sony exclusives, that's usually just review bombing. This seems more personal so I'm willing to bet it's more on the female cosmetic changes than Microsoft fans.
Regardless of any console biases anyone who mislabels or marks down a game simply for it's platform is no real gamer. Respect the developers who made the game and keep personal bias be it platform or political out of reviews
Epic treated their playerbase with a lot more respect than most live service games these days. No pay to win ever (outside of that 1 skin I think). Constant story for those who want to look for it. And an entire creative mode that is its own giant.
@Jayslow yeah I haven't bought a ubisoft game in years. Just fully aware I can play a near identical game for half the price by going through their back catalogue. Nothing new they make is new.
People trying to use the woke label are stupid though. Ubisoft have had plenty of servicable stories. Their stories just don't matter. They are junk food, easy, copy and paste games that'll never crawl up a person's backlog
Ghost of yotei made this an ok showcase. Everything else was things I'd either seen before or had little interest in. Still against the horizon remaster by the change in tone towards it doesn't surprise me. Everyone already has it an £10 is no different than buying a mtx in a live service game. It doesn't even register to many gamers. Just free trophies and probably a couple hours dip into a game they've already played to say 'this is nice' then never touch it again
@LogicStrikesAgain people forget about mid tier games from mid tier companies. Sony had a stellar reputation. Hence when something with such a high budget, dev time and market push, from a studio they acquired after approving of this games development, all the good will and expectations turn sour. It happens all the time with any company sitting on the top
Ff15 is one of the best selling in the franchise at over 10m. But Xbox only accounted for roughly 10% of that so Xbox can be left for later without much economic impact (unless they really needed that extra 1m or so sales)
I think that by the time these games released on the pc there was no longer any FOMO, the time had passed and other releases were in the limelight like baldurs gate 3 and elden ring. And by this point everyone knew what the final fantasy games were and were making informed decisions against another long long arpg that was a year or 2 old at the time.
@IamJT What I've come to believe watching Microsoft for the last 10 years (as a 3 console gamer, laptop too for games like civ, age of empires) is this.
About halfway through last generation they decided their future was not in the console space. It was as a comprehensive platform. Ironic seeing as their pc store is an absolute disgrace.
I believe their goal is to become a cloud gaming juggernaut. Via the TV, tablet, mobile, console, pc and if they have their way even on other consoles (epic games store Vs apple and android set a precedent).
In doing so the console is only a small piece of the pie. If you buy a 3rd party game via msft you can play it anywhere. It's simply very early for them to be aiming for such a thing. But msft always have jumped the gun. remember consoles as entertainment systems lol
@Kraaatos resistance failed mostly because halo, cod, battlefield were all at their most popular and first person shooters needed to really stand out. They were good games and reviewed decently well. They might do better in the current climate of cod and halo with their reputations in the dirt (even if they aren't producing particular games)
@armondo36 absolutely agree. The playstation of now is not the playstation of the past. This part of Sony is a western company and behaves it every bit msft does.
They have ridden the coattails of a fantastic generation of games and followed up with (in my opinion) safe, formulaic, sequels and remasters and will continue to do so outside of some outliers by their studios with the sway to get their way a little.
@colonelkilgore I don't think long enough has passed since Bethesda or Activision purchases for the games there to reflect of Microsoft input good or bad. As many people like to discredit them for hi fi rush being great but blame them for things like redfall.
I personally don't want a 1 console world and I'm sure 3rd party developers don't either. Possibly one of the only reasons they do still go to Xbox. If Sony is all there is then they set the terms for sales.
Sony has a horrible system for digital sales. They control everything. No purchasing game codes at discounts anywhere not even through the developers themselves. One of the most underrated reasons that Xbox is so hugely digital in sales. I own all 3 consoles and a gaming laptop and I know on day 1 release I can buy the same game on Xbox for you to 20% cheaper via download codes
@Rmg0731 you mean 4 of their currently better games...
Literally only someone who hast played those 4 games would call them s*****. Admittedly grounded requires friends as does sea of thieves but with friends they are genuinely good games. The other 2 are solid, high tier, underappreciated single player games. Microsoft had no hand in his finish so even anti Microsoft bias should mean nothing there.
As much as I don't care about the sides to the console wars one thing about this in particular is amusing me. Xbox has been hit with 'you don't need an Xbox it's all on pc' by so many and yet people in these comments are saying it HAS to come to ps5 as it's sold so much more than Xbox.... The same people who say they don't need Xbox they have a pc... So why would it also need to come to ps for these people to play it.
Microsoft are building a platform and the Xbox consoles are simply not the priority for this platform anymore. Game pass and inevitably cloud gaming is microsofts goal. They simply don't want to pay the 30% fee to Sony to put the game in Sony marketplace
@Jamesblob though I own all 3 consoles and a pc I can say I prefer the Microsoft UI and controller. Haptic feedback in dual sense has only ever worsened my experience outside of maybe 2 games.
Phil is being a business man. He isn't outright lying. He is choosing his truths. When he says bringing to more people he is specifically talking about access to all mobile phone users via cloud. True but still irrelevant in the current market. D*** move but still better to be specific when we are calling people liars.
As for the final point I can honestly say I couldn't care less if Microsoft buys abk. I like their games for the most part but quite frankly microsofts output is still lacking and only new exclusives outside of their current IPS will bring new people. Sony is leading by so much and it is showing by their own behaviour and the behaviour of fans in both sides. When the 'war' was more equal it was less toxic because you didn't have Xbox fanboys with inferiority complexes and Sony fanboys with superiority complexes. Because of this now we have games like psychonauts 2, gears tactics, hi-fi rush being incredible games undersold by the media and Sony's first party great games and good sequels dominating the media to the point Sony has been narrowing its development style to single player game while milking the ips for multiplayer titles too. The industry needs a game changer. Microsoft is terrible as a parent company but in the console space they need this to even the playing field and inject some more risks to both sides going forwards
@Somebody releasing to pc has 2 main issues. Both of which Microsoft honestly suffer for. The first is simply that if you have a PC you have no incentive to buy a ps5. And especially with digital ps5s where you cannot purchase games outside of playstations own storefront (it doesn't do download codes) they get a larger % of all games sales so obviously they want to drive as many people to ps consoles as possible. Secondly it takes a lot more manpower and time to simultaneously release amongst ps5 console and pc wise with optimisation, accessibility, controls etc. Ps ports to pc come later and even then have been suffering poor optimisation so it would only make the games themselves suffer if they pushed for simultaneous release. We already hear 'dont need Xbox I have a pc' enough there is no need to push ps games towards pc people who have that mentality
Both sides are as bad as each other. The only things separating them are the money they have to spend and their current positions in the market. Sony themselves have plenty of fun things coming up live service wise that aren't necessarily consumer friendly and out of both companies their policies of 'pay to keep off Xbox' as well as the fact the outright do not allow any developer to sell even digital codes of their own games so that Sony has complete control over all sales on their digital only playstation are signs that they aren't so developer or consumer friendly either. Both companies are evils we are long used to. All corporations are and fanboys on either side acting like 1 is 'nicer' than the other are delusional.
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Re: Godzilla, Baymax Front Fortnite's Japanese-Themed Hunters Season
As a 'real gamer' (TM) I'm contractually obligated per the social media rules to say Fortnite sucks blah blah blah. /S
(If this is the multiplayer game my friends want to play these next few months I'll play it and enjoy spending time with my friends. I have plenty of 'real' sp games to keep me busy otherwise)
Re: Xbox's Legendary Strategy Series Seemingly Set to Invade PS5
The playerbase for this game on pc and Xbox is probably pretty saturated by now and it's not a system seller so I'd say a ps release is a net positive. Switch 2 would be icing on the cake
Re: PS5 Dominates UK Black Ops 6 Sales, As Game Pass Causes Xbox Share to Collapse
People seem to really enjoy saying how bad GPU is for cod and for gamers in general. Quoting the price of GPU for a year instead of buying cod. Which if you will ONLY play cod.... Fair enough.
I've had GPU on and off as things that interest me appear but I mostly game on a ps5 for mainstream titles.
For me gamepass allowed me to play and fall in love with franchise's that I hadn't even considered buying on sale. Starting with Yakuza 0 I was able to play through 700+ hours across Yakuza games a d now buy new Yakuza games day 1.
Another 100+ hours was slay the spire that I never thought I'd play. Another 200+ hours on Disney dream light valley for some time with my partner on its release. (She's since bought it for herself on the switch and my god the poor performance hurts me).
On top of this I 'shared' my gamepass with my at the time financially struggling younger brother and he appreciated being able to play on his own Xbox with his friends on games he otherwise couldn't.
Finally my best friend has 2 hyperactive children with the attention span of peanuts who each have an Xbox, shared game pass and devour every remotely new game that pops up until they quickly tire and move on. While he enjoys games like age of empires on his pc to his hearts content.
These were the people gamepass was made for originally. (So they said) A low price point of entry to see and try a multitude of games you otherwise might not. The constant price increases and the recent change to exclusives day one on GPU only have hurt that image greatly for me.
But I am still confident that the original idea was actually just to start this gateway to the world of cloud gaming platform for the next generation of gamers. Not for me or for most of us who use these news sites and only see our own opinions reflected back at us.
Re: Sony Adopting 'Show Don't Tell' Strategy with PS5
@NEStalgia can't agree more. The moment gaming as a medium switched to an online social platform with backlogs of games and digital sales the wave started. Sony won THE critical generations for the console gaming space.
Everyone must know on some level that a very large part of Sony's power is simply..... Sunken cost fallacy... We've all poured money, time and emotion into the brand and our accounts. Made friends and memories on the playstation.
Without a firing on all cylinders rival no amount of bad, but not industry ending, disasters was going to topple sonys place at no.1
Sony know this so they are striking while the iron is hot to make money off of us. Pure business. I hate it but get it.
Microsoft know it. They can't win in the raw console space by throwing money against the wave. Even good games wouldn't budge the needle enough. So they are laying groundwork for cloud gaming hoping the NEXT era of gaming will be theirs. A gamble I'm interested but not particularly looking forward to seeing.
Re: TV Show Review: Like a Dragon: Yakuza - Generic Japanese Crime Caper Doesn't Do SEGA Franchise Justice
The biggest issue with adapting Yakuza is that the main story is always exactly as serious and melodramatic as the show is being. The silly, goofy side almost exclusively comes from side content that's almost impossible to adapt as it is completely off tone from the rest. In game form it works, but I don't think it ever will for TV the same way
Re: These Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Comparisons Are Absolutely Insane
@DennisReynolds in terms of optics surrounding this release they had to in my opinion.
It was a very good game with a solid writing that well respected player time for an open world game unlike it's contemporaries or it's sequel.
However with minimal alternative story options and a satisfying but not addictive gameplay it does not interest me in a replay for purely graphical upgrades as someone who played everything the original had to offer.
By doing the upgrade paths there are many who will purchase but not play or simply dip a toe in to their original save and do a tour. Those who purchase it full price are unaffected and of course cannot bypass it by buying the original, digitally anyway, so their profit line is likely higher with a £10 upgrade available.
Re: Random: Internet Trolls Tried to Downgrade Our Silent Hill 2 PS5 Review Score
This doesn't happen like this for other Sony exclusives, that's usually just review bombing. This seems more personal so I'm willing to bet it's more on the female cosmetic changes than Microsoft fans.
Regardless of any console biases anyone who mislabels or marks down a game simply for it's platform is no real gamer. Respect the developers who made the game and keep personal bias be it platform or political out of reviews
Re: Ever-Evolving, Live Service Experiences Like Fortnite Are 'the Future of Gaming'
@waynesworld ok they added monetisation but what was fall guys long term profit strategy to support the servers and new content beforehand?
Re: Ever-Evolving, Live Service Experiences Like Fortnite Are 'the Future of Gaming'
Epic treated their playerbase with a lot more respect than most live service games these days. No pay to win ever (outside of that 1 skin I think). Constant story for those who want to look for it. And an entire creative mode that is its own giant.
Re: Ubisoft Board Orders Internal Investigation and Review into Company's Financial Woes
@Jayslow yeah I haven't bought a ubisoft game in years. Just fully aware I can play a near identical game for half the price by going through their back catalogue. Nothing new they make is new.
People trying to use the woke label are stupid though. Ubisoft have had plenty of servicable stories. Their stories just don't matter. They are junk food, easy, copy and paste games that'll never crawl up a person's backlog
Re: The Biggest PS5, PS4 Winners from a Humongous State of Play
Ghost of yotei made this an ok showcase. Everything else was things I'd either seen before or had little interest in. Still against the horizon remaster by the change in tone towards it doesn't surprise me. Everyone already has it an £10 is no different than buying a mtx in a live service game. It doesn't even register to many gamers. Just free trophies and probably a couple hours dip into a game they've already played to say 'this is nice' then never touch it again
Re: What Time Is PlayStation's State of Play?
Thursday 30th may this says for me? Is it a glitch? (In the paragraph above the local time, which itself has the correct date)
Re: Dev Behind PS5, PC Flop Concord Could Close as Director Steps Down
@LogicStrikesAgain people forget about mid tier games from mid tier companies. Sony had a stellar reputation. Hence when something with such a high budget, dev time and market push, from a studio they acquired after approving of this games development, all the good will and expectations turn sour. It happens all the time with any company sitting on the top
Re: PS5 Exclusives Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Failed to Meet Expectations
Ff15 is one of the best selling in the franchise at over 10m. But Xbox only accounted for roughly 10% of that so Xbox can be left for later without much economic impact (unless they really needed that extra 1m or so sales)
Re: PS5 Exclusives Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Failed to Meet Expectations
I think that by the time these games released on the pc there was no longer any FOMO, the time had passed and other releases were in the limelight like baldurs gate 3 and elden ring. And by this point everyone knew what the final fantasy games were and were making informed decisions against another long long arpg that was a year or 2 old at the time.
Re: Reaction: It's Time for Xbox to Tell Us Which Games It's Bringing to PS5, and Which Games It Isn't
@IamJT What I've come to believe watching Microsoft for the last 10 years (as a 3 console gamer, laptop too for games like civ, age of empires) is this.
About halfway through last generation they decided their future was not in the console space. It was as a comprehensive platform. Ironic seeing as their pc store is an absolute disgrace.
I believe their goal is to become a cloud gaming juggernaut. Via the TV, tablet, mobile, console, pc and if they have their way even on other consoles (epic games store Vs apple and android set a precedent).
In doing so the console is only a small piece of the pie. If you buy a 3rd party game via msft you can play it anywhere. It's simply very early for them to be aiming for such a thing. But msft always have jumped the gun. remember consoles as entertainment systems lol
Re: French Turn-Based RPG Expedition 33 Announced for PS5 in Promising Debut Trailer
Looks like a spiritual successor to lost odyssey combat and I'm all for that
Re: Sony: The Future Is Incredibly Bright for PlayStation
@Kraaatos resistance failed mostly because halo, cod, battlefield were all at their most popular and first person shooters needed to really stand out. They were good games and reviewed decently well. They might do better in the current climate of cod and halo with their reputations in the dirt (even if they aren't producing particular games)
Re: Xbox Planning to Release the 'Majority' of Its Exclusives on PS5
@armondo36 absolutely agree. The playstation of now is not the playstation of the past. This part of Sony is a western company and behaves it every bit msft does.
They have ridden the coattails of a fantastic generation of games and followed up with (in my opinion) safe, formulaic, sequels and remasters and will continue to do so outside of some outliers by their studios with the sway to get their way a little.
Re: Xbox Planning to Release the 'Majority' of Its Exclusives on PS5
@colonelkilgore I don't think long enough has passed since Bethesda or Activision purchases for the games there to reflect of Microsoft input good or bad. As many people like to discredit them for hi fi rush being great but blame them for things like redfall.
I personally don't want a 1 console world and I'm sure 3rd party developers don't either. Possibly one of the only reasons they do still go to Xbox. If Sony is all there is then they set the terms for sales.
Sony has a horrible system for digital sales. They control everything. No purchasing game codes at discounts anywhere not even through the developers themselves. One of the most underrated reasons that Xbox is so hugely digital in sales. I own all 3 consoles and a gaming laptop and I know on day 1 release I can buy the same game on Xbox for you to 20% cheaper via download codes
Re: Talk of Final Fantasy 7 Remake Trilogy Being Completely Console Exclusive to PlayStation Is Inaccurate
Personally I think this is more down to not wanting to port to series s over anything else at this point
Re: Microsoft Exec on Helldivers 2: I'm Not Sure Who It Helps By Not Being on Xbox
@Rmg0731 you mean 4 of their currently better games...
Literally only someone who hast played those 4 games would call them s*****. Admittedly grounded requires friends as does sea of thieves but with friends they are genuinely good games. The other 2 are solid, high tier, underappreciated single player games. Microsoft had no hand in his finish so even anti Microsoft bias should mean nothing there.
Re: Could Marvel's Blade Come to PS5? Bethesda Declines to Comment
As much as I don't care about the sides to the console wars one thing about this in particular is amusing me. Xbox has been hit with 'you don't need an Xbox it's all on pc' by so many and yet people in these comments are saying it HAS to come to ps5 as it's sold so much more than Xbox.... The same people who say they don't need Xbox they have a pc... So why would it also need to come to ps for these people to play it.
Microsoft are building a platform and the Xbox consoles are simply not the priority for this platform anymore. Game pass and inevitably cloud gaming is microsofts goal. They simply don't want to pay the 30% fee to Sony to put the game in Sony marketplace
Re: Microsoft Extends Deadline of $69 Billion Activision Blizzard Acquisition
@Jamesblob though I own all 3 consoles and a pc I can say I prefer the Microsoft UI and controller. Haptic feedback in dual sense has only ever worsened my experience outside of maybe 2 games.
Phil is being a business man. He isn't outright lying. He is choosing his truths. When he says bringing to more people he is specifically talking about access to all mobile phone users via cloud. True but still irrelevant in the current market. D*** move but still better to be specific when we are calling people liars.
As for the final point I can honestly say I couldn't care less if Microsoft buys abk. I like their games for the most part but quite frankly microsofts output is still lacking and only new exclusives outside of their current IPS will bring new people. Sony is leading by so much and it is showing by their own behaviour and the behaviour of fans in both sides. When the 'war' was more equal it was less toxic because you didn't have Xbox fanboys with inferiority complexes and Sony fanboys with superiority complexes. Because of this now we have games like psychonauts 2, gears tactics, hi-fi rush being incredible games undersold by the media and Sony's first party great games and good sequels dominating the media to the point Sony has been narrowing its development style to single player game while milking the ips for multiplayer titles too. The industry needs a game changer. Microsoft is terrible as a parent company but in the console space they need this to even the playing field and inject some more risks to both sides going forwards
Re: Microsoft Extends Deadline of $69 Billion Activision Blizzard Acquisition
@Somebody releasing to pc has 2 main issues. Both of which Microsoft honestly suffer for. The first is simply that if you have a PC you have no incentive to buy a ps5. And especially with digital ps5s where you cannot purchase games outside of playstations own storefront (it doesn't do download codes) they get a larger % of all games sales so obviously they want to drive as many people to ps consoles as possible. Secondly it takes a lot more manpower and time to simultaneously release amongst ps5 console and pc wise with optimisation, accessibility, controls etc. Ps ports to pc come later and even then have been suffering poor optimisation so it would only make the games themselves suffer if they pushed for simultaneous release. We already hear 'dont need Xbox I have a pc' enough there is no need to push ps games towards pc people who have that mentality
Re: Microsoft's Potential Game Plan in 2020: 'Spend Sony Out of Business'
Both sides are as bad as each other. The only things separating them are the money they have to spend and their current positions in the market. Sony themselves have plenty of fun things coming up live service wise that aren't necessarily consumer friendly and out of both companies their policies of 'pay to keep off Xbox' as well as the fact the outright do not allow any developer to sell even digital codes of their own games so that Sony has complete control over all sales on their digital only playstation are signs that they aren't so developer or consumer friendly either. Both companies are evils we are long used to. All corporations are and fanboys on either side acting like 1 is 'nicer' than the other are delusional.