MattSilverado

I started playing the original SimCity on my XT PC with 12" orange monochrome monitor 😅. I loved that game, reading now about Residential, Commercial or Industrial building types makes me go back in time... Of course I've played newer versions such as SimCity 2000 and the other one in space, can't remember the name. Anyway, I've just built a PC for playing games not available on PS4 (Steam has many gems… and cheap) so I might play this one on PC. Talking about controls, why some specific PS4 games can't be played with (or more correctly, aren't made to use) keyboard and mouse??

@makina well, thinking that way we wouldn't have analog sticks, for example... we may be stuck with the NES gamepad, isn't? There must be some level of innovation, even if some things fail like the DS4 touchpad (that said, it's a really nice feature).

@Dodoo that's usually the way here. Either you but from an "importer" cheaper than the official store, or ask a friend on a travel or buy it yourself in another country. Thing is custom tax when bringing goods is or was (changed last year) so its expensive anyway

@Dodoo yes. I paid for PS4 around 1000USD in July 2014 from a Sony Store near home. I you wait long (way long) enough you can buy a "current gen" console for about a 35/40% overprice from the suggested retail price in say, USA.

Well... Yeah. If Argentina gets a day one availability, then I'll preorder on Sony's site no matter how much they charge... I'm expecting around 1000 USD 🙈...

Is always good to have someone (or something) to blame for failing 300 times in the same game screen.

@GamingFan4Lyf oh you mean that black thing behind my TV with a jet engine inside? Good to know! Seems the replacement will be white...

@ApostateMage PS4???

One of the great games I've played in the last 30 years of gaming... Didn't want it to end. Not perfect but a blast.

@KratosMD you nailed it ; )

I think Mafia was better. One of my all time favs.

This leak can't be for nothing.

@BAMozzy yes, that's my take also. There's a lot we don't know from Sony's side also, like VRS... it should be there, right? Anyway, going for multiplatform games XSX is a no brainer, even for PC gamers... price/performance will be awesome. Here were I live things (like consoles and stuff) are really expensive so having both consoles is not much of an option.
One thing I though it would be missing from next gen is RayTracing, yet there it is... and XSX seems to have a nice advantage there, although we have yet to see how/what devs can do with the hardware implementation etc. Then you have things like World Of Tanks shadow RT implementation done on the CPU (via Intel's Embree), really nice... if there are some spare CPU cores on the consoles, who knows...

@BAMozzy yes, of course on multi plat Series X has the edge (I think in all but loading times), we need to wait and see how both platforms perform... that's the fun part.

@nessisonett well, Series X is not a PC on a fridge case... In fact is an awesome piece of hard, with it's own custom I/O more or less the same way Sony does (although half the performance it seems). The form factor is really an issue? You place the console somewhere and that's it! It's not awful, and certainly it seems to cool properly the hard. As a PS4 owner I would loved a "stronger" PS5 but fact is Series X is just more powerful except for the I/O and maybe that's key for Sony. Time and games -above all- will tell.

@BAMozzy I'm puzzled by how 1st party PS5 games can (or can't) leverage the data access speed and, with that, create "something" not doable on Series X. Of course if the game is Mortal Kombat it will not matter, there CPU and GPU are long (having both machines the about same RAM )… but there MAYBE some edge on the kind of design or improvements devs can get with twice the data access speed and how RAM is used etc. After watching/reading several game dev postmortems and gaining insight on how they try to overcome the streaming issues... I don't know, maybe there's something of and edge for Sony. But Series X is a beast, with also a super fast I/O system -maybe it's just OK and nothing more is needed-, in fact when I was reading the Series X reveal I was thinking "This is what we need for next gen..."

The delay can't be for nothing.

I played commandos 1 & 2 on PC. Excellent and very hard games, especially the second one.

@crimsontadpoles but are they glued butterfly-way???

@Gmork___ gameplay > everything else
Not fighting anyway : P ... I wish we can have innovative gameplay situations vs "same old games with better graphics" , and oh I love better graphics. I was one of those whom ran to buy a 3dfx Voodoo (yes, the 4MB card) and short before that I had a Rendition Verite v1000 ... So I DO care about graphics.

Well, if it's close to a launch title, and they deliver this, good news for all. I wasn't expecting ray tracing in third party games so soon, let alone marketed as "beautiful".

Super fun game.

@Ken_Kaniff it's expected. This kind of game should be awesome to showcase raytracing global illumination and else, but of course it will take time.

On "my" PS4 browsing the store is a nightmare. Game lists doesn't load, and when you enter a game details for purchasing or download it takes ages or it just won't work. That's not acceptable... I have 100mb of good fibre connection...

@sabaki08 sorry but with all respect, this is a truly next-gen next gen 🤣... The custom design of PS5 via it's SSD (and to less extent Series X) will allow many things you don't even imagine. Maybe we have to wait two more years but it will pay off.

Waiting on those improvements 😏

my brain didn't melt ; ) although sometimes it was kinda slow... loved that stuff... I was ready for another good hour of bare metal details... I would loved more details on possible RAM usage patterns with this blazing fast SDD and controllers... also more details on custom desing of the GPU or I/O path improvements between all system components, etc.
Some tech demo or realtime bench would have been great also---

@Ralizah I pooed my pants off with the intro music of Silent Hill 2, let alone playing with this kind of inmmersion...

Well, there's nothing better than knowing what game developers think about console design. It would be great to have a panel of devs speaking their minds about what's known of these machines. It's ultimately down to making actual games, and there are another set of constraints and environmental things like, debuggers, profilers, the dev kits etc.

@Cutmastavictory yes, I'm all in for 3D audio, but anyway, it's all in the hands of developers how they use that feature. And the "head/ear mapping" that needs to match more or less to the players one. For me it's a bet from Sony's side, it's money and research that could have been allocated to another resource or feature in the PS5 desing. But I'm happy that instead of just "more graphics" get can get some groundbreaking audio stuff. The thing is how a game created to use Sony's Tempest engine can fallback to Atmos or whatever lesser implementation... I mean, as a developer you need to allocate resources to audio design, and it's the same story as always, lowest common denominator.

@Cutmastavictory If Cerny designed the PS5 with developers in mind, then we should hear good feedback from them, I hope at least... anyway, in his own words I recall he said 3D audio was his/Sony's bet, no one asked for it. Right? So... big bet. Could be a winner, or could be like the XboxOne Kinect.

@jdv95 yes, but as a game designer/developer, you go multiplatform you know you have to target the worst case, and that's the PC, even with a SSD cannot match Series X. And Series X cannot match PS5, so design suffers. Load times are just one "not so important" thing.

No more loading screens or really fast travels are just a "little" advantage we will get with the kind of custom SSDs of PS5 and Series X. Usage of system RAM and game design freedom are key, at least that's what I think ; ).

@parvaz1 Yes, anyway you could always use more CUs ; ) I guess Cerny knows why we are OK why 36.
I think one dream job for me would just be Mark's personal monkey while he designs each console... "yes, my Sir... do you want your back coffe with one or two sugars?"

@jdv95 I see Sony's SSD implementation as an incredible win. The catch with is that only first party/exclusives will use it to the full potential. Otherwise and luckily the Series X will be the lowest standard, which is not bad compared to a PC. I think a PC will be unable to match both consoles speed like... ever (in the lifespan of the console generation). The custom bits to avoid bottlenecks and compression on both consoles will not make it's way onto PC so even having blazing fast SSDs will be not enough I guess.

System RAM usage patterns will change and more so on PS5 with such a blazing fast SDD speed. As Cerny pointed out, 16GB RAM is not a lot but now it's not even that important. Many games need to load a lot of stuff to system RAM even long before using it because access speed from HDD is so slow... I'm a developer of commercial software with some data intensive processing, and I usually have to balance what's on RAM and when to load from HDD/Sql Server and think of different strategies of data retention etc. If I could access from "disk" as fast as PS5, I could use RAM to do other things than just "store data in my fast path". Amazing things will be made on PS5 first party games, Series X is great too, anyway.

I think the PS5 specs are fake. The real one has 128 CUs at 5.0Ghz and 32 Zen 3 cores CPU. The SSD is fine.

@BAMozzy yes, right. Anyway I'll take raytracing over raw resolution. I'm betting on spectacular results over time... Not on launch games or neither in the first two years.

@BAMozzy is VRS and DLSS are confirmed for PS5? I guess it's part of RDNA2... if true, then nothing to worry about (or less, say).

@beavis64 yes, I know, same here... I want a PS5 anyway, but somewhat dissapointed by today's details.

@beavis64 yes, but the variable clock speeds sounds a bit like they couldn't keep it cool and quiet "always". Unless it's a power saving feature only. Reading the Digital foundry stuff now.

I love technical stuff so it was ok, but a bit letdown was "only" 36 CUs, although the higher GPU clock seems good. Wondering if we have another jet engine loud PS5... No word about a good cooling solution, the variable clock speed doesn't look good. The SSD part was great. Also RDNA2.

as the article points out... how these words should be taken, accounting the Series X details? It's something even better, somehow?? Really, while I was reading the Xbox specs I was thinking how Sony could even match it... Of course having the same parts is a md parts is almost a given, but "minor" key decisions such as the 32MB embbeded ram of the Xbox One could make or break the hardware...

@GamingFan4Lyf well, it's great to be able to run old games with some minor improvements, like resolution and loading times, HDR also... I love old games (or just games, be clear) but 100% of the next gen consoles will be seen in none less than 3 years after the launch, and hopefully those type of games will be really different to what we have now. Those custom SDD (with the memory mapping tricks) and monster CPUs should allow pretty weird stuff in the right hands.

@RawnDawn sorry to read that... : /

@DonJorginho Seems about right, if they go out with the Series X specs so fresh, they are very confident on PS5.

I need new pants.

One thing to think about... Could Sony reveal specs for PS5 just a DAY later than MS if their product was weaker?! I don't see it happening, really.

How can Sony came up just now and say "ok, you know, the console revealed just a couple of days ago... yep, that Series X, is better than ours..."

So I bet their all about the same in almost every way, otherwise Sony will be better waiting until the Series X heat dissipates.

@twenty90seven I hope!!

OOOOOHHHHHH YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS !!!!!!
I can marry Mark any day!!

@parvaz1 From what I know, the new consoles are a world apart on a techinical point from the previous generation. CPU power, and custom SSD storage are alone key differentiators, let alone hardware ray tracing and GPU improvements.