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@get2sammyb it could be based on what they said - or they could have started from scratch. I was trying to be as emotionless as possible in translating terms.

From a financial point of view it is rarely desireable to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but on the other hand every developer ever always wants to start from scratch rather than work with old code.

Just some facts:

• Most performance is measured in milliseconds.
• Visual language is a UX design term
• when they say “very few pixels remain” they’re referring to user experience design not the underlying code.

@SirAngry I don’t know why you’re resorting to ad-hominem and dropping faux street cred. Just because I disagree with you, and have provided specific reasons, doesn’t mean I’m afraid of being wrong. Given the components inside and the lifespan of the product, $699 would be a steal.

I’m going to stop reading this thread before it gets moderated. All the best to you

@SirAngry in fact you feel entitled to a price point where Sony accepts a loss?

@SirAngry You’re expecting a machine that competes with a high end PC to cost u less than 500 bucks, and I’m pig headed?

@Nem in both cases the retailer gets a cut, and that’s part of the list price you pay. Sure the margin may be different and traditionally Sony uses a retail price roughly equal to their cost, accepting a loss when you take retailer cut and distribution etc into account.

Doesn’t change the fact that 700$ is a steal for what you get.

@Nem Are you suggesting retailers who sell the ps5 aren’t going to get a cut?

Are you suggesting video card/cpu manufacturers currently don’t buy in bulk?

@SirAngry you are ignoring R&D, but, still, even if we set the mobo at 0$, the other components are well above $699

@BrintaPap I actually sourced the prices from a store, then adjusted for American $ instead of Canadian. The Mobo sourced from the store was only $250, but they put a ton of custom work into clearing the I/O roadblocks so I uppped it. Still the graphics card alone justifies $699

$699 is a totally reasonable price for the version with an HD blu ray player. This thing is basically a high end gaming PC with a custom cooling solution.

The SSD is at least $200
The blu ray drive is at least $100
The equivalent graphics card for the PC is $800-$1000
The CPU is probably $250?
The motherboard is totally custom and they put a ton of effort in.. easily $500
Custom cooling solution $___
3D audio $____
Power supply $____
Weird a$$ case $___
The controller is $80 Traditionally

So getting all that for $699 would be a steal

@get2sammyb Hopefully there are some USB in the back like the PS4 has (or is that just the pro?)

@ankehuber exactly.... can’t wait for the dog’s tail to knock over my new expensive console.

I really hope they don’t force the vertical stand....I need to lay it flat in the console. Kids and dog will knock it over otherwise and wife may be upset.

@wittypixel Time will tell, but it could mean Sony’s first party games get to innovate and improve, with everyone else stuck in the past.

Oh, also, don’t underestimate the power of Sony’s simple naming scheme. 5 > 4, unambiguous.... whereas Microsoft’s names are... all over the place. X > 1 > 360 > blank..... For us who are “into” it, we may have it straight but for the average consumer or their mom they may find it quite confusing. TBH I find it hard to get straight when you add in the mid-gen console names.

@Bestintheworld10 I think it is more crippling that Microsoft has said that games have to be compatible with the current gen as well. That means that they can’t get rid of fake loading screens, and world maps have to be designed with current limitations in mind. It will really hamstring game design for first party devs.....

and third party devs making games for all systems including PCs will similarly be hamstrung by the lowest common denominator, so ps5 games by third parties will probably suffer too.

If you watched the GDC powerpoint presentation and actually understood it, the praise shouldn’t be a surprise. They’ve clearly actually taken steps to understand bottlenecks and historical problems and really try to solve them instead of just throwing more horsepower at an inefficient architecture. I was blown away with that presentation, and its clear that Sony knows their *****.

Eh, this sound like a change for the worse. Have to see when the details come though.

Will be interesting to see the framerate of a Bloodborne 2. The first one has an atrocious framerate.

I like the part where she had to shimmy through a thin opening between two spaces....

... In an unrelated note I’m happy we got rid of hidden loading screens.

It has always been a pain point, but I’m certainly more aware of hidden load screens now.

Also one point Cerney made during his GDC presentation - that current bloat in size of games is partly because they repeat assets in the file to improve load times, e.g. a mailbox may appear hundreds of times in Spider-Man.... so now I constantly think about that sort of thing.

60FPS should be bare minimum or GTFO. Seriously, I get that it isn’t as flashy for marketting, but for gameplay it is everything.

The pricing for this game is a crime. This is a 3-year old game where you have to somehow still buy all the DLC (full price of a game) separate from the game (full price), and now a season pass that doesn’t include either of those for 2/3 of full price of a game. Utter nonsense - all of it should be 40$ for the base game, the DLC, and the season pass if you are buying years after release.

Nice press release, but lets see what happens when they need investors to pay staff before shipping a game, and those investors want ROI, and they have to trade-off pleasing investors who pay their bills and compromising their utopian vision of a workplace.

Bloodborne was perfect - the first 15 minutes.

@wiiware but they’ll need to code for lowest common denominator, or at least lowest they want money from.... so stutter isn’t the issue, so much as other benefits - for example where they have to spend time optimizing the files for memory use, including repeating assets to avoid fragmented memory (recall the stream talking about “that mailbox may exist hundreds of times”). Or they may get into a situation where the game becomes unplayable without a crazy optimized system - so sony was talking about loading the things behind you as you turned around because it was that fast. On the PC this would manifest as severe symptoms much worse than “stutter”. So the time to market benefits of not having to optimize the files/memory in the same way would be gone by having to release for PC.

(Edit: end of the day so the above may not have come out as a coherent thought)

For 3rd party games I’m really curious how it’ll turn out. In particular most of the games come out for PCs, where you have no clue what the components of the system are. I don’t see how you could design games for PC without keeping all those old artefacts like long elevators, hidden loading screens, etc. You can’t assume that PC’s have SSDs, and you can’t assume they’re optimized or you severely restrict your market.

I wonder if this will lead to a world where releasing for the PC actually holds back games.

After seeing that presentation I’m really excited about a lot of things. But I’m technical enough to appreciate just how much they showed off that they know their stuff and did their homework.

This is just another example of that, where they talked to devs and realized that they never dedicate console resources to sound because of other priorities....

@premko1 No I just am technical enough to understand it. I’m really impressed.

Holy sh*t that was impressive. Clearly answered all the right questions, the comparison to PCs, and most importantly showed that they know their poo and they’ve done their homework. Price would be nice, but that was amazing.

Perfect. Can’t wait for Friday.

Dark Realm really wasn’t a problem in beta/LCD once you get the skills to counter it.

Could turn out to be yet another generic open world tower climbing game. Hopefully it’s awesome, but.... for now Nioh!

My body is ready.

ICO literally put me to sleep, so I think I’ll give SOTC a hard pass. Nevermind cost, it’s not worth my time.

@sajoey so confused

Are there censorship/content controls?

My 7 yr old LOVES level creators in games like LBP and No Man’s sky base building, but I’m concerned about dreams providing access to perhaps age inappropriate content.

I’m a little confused by this? Is it an action game, or an action rpg, or a jrpg? Does it have the Persona high school simulator aspects?

I’m not sure what in there is reminiscent of Dark Souls.... looks more Final Fantasy.

DualShock controllers >>>>>>> Xbox controllers, so that settles which I’ll get

....wow. He’s so full of himself he can’t even see criticism and use it to become better. Fine, randos on the internet can be like that, but I don’t think much of them either.

Stay a while, and listen.....

This review just highlights the flaws in assigning a numeric 1-10 score to something like a video game.

@leucocyte I was under the impression that PS4 sold at a loss too, but I could be wrong. A quick google says the $380 was just production code, didn’t include the retailer’s profit, distribution, R&D, etc. etc. So still at a loss.

@Deadlyblack They’ve literally sold every PlayStation console at a loss at launch.

Half-Life 3 confirmed.

@Netret0120 are you suggesting that the fix is in?

@wiiware I’m going based on what we’ve seen so far, man. They’ve talked about not everything needing to be violent, and we know you play a sort of ... I dunno “postman” who is trying to connect a post-apocalyptic world?

@kyleforrester87 I find TW3 a little dull too. The ratio of talking:travelling:action is off, I think.

Should we start a betting pool? Not to be negative, but I’m betting it gets a 9 or 10 for originality despite boring gameplay .

Very happy to be proven wrong, though.

DMC 5 is 50% off for the first time. And comes with 100,000 red orbs.

Arkham Knight tied a nice bow on the series as it ended, and the thugs hinted at a superman game. It would be a real money-grab imo to cash in on another Batman game after such a tidy end.