Paranoimia

@OmegaStriver Spot on. That's why I have no problem paying for it, especially when I get my 12-month sub during Black Friday deals, where it's about £35. Added another year just last week.

No interest from me. Already have JC4... it was okay, but not as much fun as 2 and 3. The others I'm just not interested in.

Well, somebody jumped the gun.

@Xenoslayer313 See for yourself: https://psnprofiles.com/Paranoimia

@Xenoslayer313 How so, when there's nothing currently on it that I want to play? 🤔

I'll pick one up when the games I want start to appear. No point until then.

If you can see your PS4 hours played on PS5, and they've been tracking it all this time, why do they not make it publicly available on PS4 and/or the My PSN web pages? 🤔

Don't have a favourite. Cancelled my pre-order (didn't have a guaranteed day-one system anyway) because there was nothing I feel I really want to/must play.

@get2sammyb I've bought several games digitally in PSN sales, but always long after release. If it's a game you want to get on release, or even within several months after that, then physical is usually a minimum of £10 cheaper than digital - and over a few games, that's a hell of a saving.

At least with a combi console, you have the option. If you have digital-only, you either pay full price at launch, or wait... and you never really know how long that wait will be.

@MS7000 Strange thing is... I already game on PC as well as PS4, and although I don't own that many games on PC (mostly simulation and world-building stuff that's not on consoles), all of them are digital via Steam... and it doesn't bother me.

For some reason on console, I like/prefer to have a physical item. Plus, the biggest sticking-point is the prices... because they obviously have the platform-holder premium on top of the standard game price. Then, of course, there's the currently limited storage on PS5... even with fast internet, I'd rather have a disc to install from than have to re-download games if space management becomes an issue.

Not going to happen with me any time soon (beyond smaller indie games), given the prices. Doubly so after the (in my personal opinion, unjustified) price increase for PS5.

When digital prices match or beat physical, then I might consider it. I don't find swapping discs to be much hassle at all.

That headline reads as if they simply don't like the haptic feedback, rather than their implementation of it.

So he's been in every FIFA for years and never said a thing.

I'm sure that this sudden realisation has nothing at all to do with the fact that he's 39, his career is almost over, and his income may be about to dry up.

@NEStalgia There's no trickery to it, it just works. I've got two DS4s and I can charge them from the PS4, my PC, my laptop, wall charger, or an extension cord with USB sockets on the end. I've used USB leads of various lengths, both fully wired and 'charge only' cables. Never had an issue.

Was the same with DS3s on PS3, and while I don't have a PS5, I did get a DualSense and that charges fine too, via a USB to USB-C lead.

Strange, considering it was probably "invented" in 2014 or thereabouts.

If Sony (or Microsoft, for that matter) want great publicity for new systems, why don't they search their database for, say, the 50 oldest-but-still-active accounts, and give those people a free console, instead of giving them to rich people and vapid pseudo-celebrities?

@Tharsman In terms of the OS and functionality, most things about PS5 are seeming a bit rushed at the moment.

@PossibLeigh Each to their own. I tried it on the recommendation of a friend, but just found the characters incredibly irritating right from the off.

Tried R&M once. Lasted about 10 minutes into the first episode before I switched it off. Fortunately, it'll have no bearing on my desire to (eventually) get a PS5.

Jesus. Can you even hear that when playing a game? You should hear my laptop when I'm gaming... it's far louder than my Pro, and even that at its worst is barely audible when you have the game audio coming out of the TV.

The important thing is that the cooling is doing its job.

Had one pre-ordered with ShopTo, but didn't have a confirmed day-one unit. Cancelled the pre-order last Friday. I do have a DualSense though... I ordered it from Smyths Toys when I ordered the system, and it arrived last Thursday, before I decided to cancel the console.

Wasn't overly impressed with the launch line-up, as there's nothing I particularly feel I must play, and there are just too many minor issues at the moment.

I'm fairly certain that Sony wasn't quite ready to launch just yet. Maybe it's down to COVID, maybe they were caught short by the XSX release date, but it just feels a bit rushed at the moment. It seems like OS development has reached the same point as games... "just put it out, and we'll fix it later."

I'll definitely be getting one, but I'll give it a few months. Maybe around March next year, when the teething problems are resolved.

My mate pre-ordered from Amazon and had his delivered this morning.

Just curious... if you have a current external drive with your PS4 and you connect it to a PS5, does it format it first like when you move drives between PS4s?

@TheIdleCritic Ha, very true!

Let's just hope Yodel don't do their all-too-frequent trick of throwing the package over the garden fence if someone isn't home. Hell, they did it to us once when we were home, without even knocking on the door, breaking both glass items inside.

No self-respecting retailer should be employing Yodel anyway.

@StonyKL For Xbox, yes. PlayStation... not so much.

PS2 released in March 2000 in Japan. PSP released in March 2005 in the US. PS3 released in March 2007 in Europe. Vita released in February 2012 outside of Japan.

All these little things only reinforce my opinion that Sony wasn't planning/ready to release now, and were probably initially aiming for the first quarter of next year at the earliest.

@GreedyGoblins Ho ho! :rolleyes:

My bathroom fan also has the same number of exclusives as XSX!

@Dan_ozzzy189 Indeed. But at least I'm only £50 out of pocket, and not £600.

@David187 It's not paranoia at all. It's not a decision I took lightly. I even have a DualSense which I ordered, despite not having a confirmed day-one system. If there was a game I actually wanted to play, I'd have let the order stand, regardless. There were similar reports when PS4 released, but I was there day one because it had games I wanted

Yes, these are minor issues which will be patched. But with nothing I actually want to play on day one, I may as well wait until they resolve them and there's something I want to play. For me, it's the common sense move.

I've just cancelled my pre-order. Too many niggly little issues... expansion slot disabled, issues with external drives, crashes in rest mode, now this.

Add those to the fact that there's nothing on it initially that I really want to play, and (for me) it's not worth it. I'll wait until next year when they've hopefully worked the kinks out.

That's a first for me. I've pre-ordered every system since PS2, and this is the first time I've ever cancelled. 😮

I've still got PS4 games I haven't even started, and by next year a suitable TV will be more affordable as well.

I'm really starting to think that they've rushed it a bit. I suspect they were planning on launching early next year, but the MS announcement caught them on the hop and they don't want to be too far behind again, as they were with PS3. So... I'll wait until March or so, or until a game I want is due... perhaps Horizon 2.

The extractor fan in our bathroom makes more noise than that.

Who?

Isn't Dual IPA what you get when you order two pints of ale in a pub? 🤔

I was lucky number 7 in the queue outside my local GAME store when PS2 released. Where's my PS5? 🤔😥

All those traced rays, and somehow the engine still makes everyone look like a waxwork. 🤔 Been an issue in EA games since PS3.

Anyway... I skipped this version, but my mate bought it and he says that since the last update, it keeps crashing. He's deleted it and re-installed it, and it still happens. Anyone else experienced this?

@Unlucky13 Pretty much, yes. My PC, PS3, and PS4 are wired. The speeds on all are what I'd expect, at between 9 and 12 megabytes per second, depending on what else is happening on my LAN. It can be lower at peak usage times due to contention in the area, but that's just the way things are... nothing Sony can do about that.

When it comes to large patches for games, it actually takes the PS4 much longer to copy/install than it does to download. Last night I downloaded an 8GB update for Breakpoint in around 20 minutes, with other stuff using the network.

"We want 4K! We want 4K! We want 4K!"

"Okay, here... have 4K!"

"We want 1440p! We want 1440p! We want 1440p!"

@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L And well you should! Shame! SHAME! SHAAAAAAAME! 😆

Never had an issue with download speeds, even going back to the PS3. I've got a Virgin 100Mb connection, and I usually get near to the full speed. But then, my consoles are connected via ethernet cables. And that's the same now, when Sony is supposedly throttling speeds due to the pandemic.

PS6 will double as a stand for your TV.

They weren't coloured on the PSP or Vita either, so no big deal.

"You’ll want to play with headphones due to 3D audio, of course"

No I won't, as I can't stand having anything on my head. It'll be connected to my hi-fi, like every system before it.

As for the PS4 Pro in the video... jesus, mine's never made a racket like that.

People only ever moaned about the browsers on PS3 and PS4 anyway, so no great loss.

I can think of no valid, realistic reason why you can't store your games on an external drive - be it SSD or even a 5400rpm HDD - right from the off.

As much as I've loved Sony's consoles and games, they seem to have made a string of bizarre decisions with the PS5, which is puzzling given that they got so much right with the PS4.

Because of the games available, I wasn't overly fussed when I learned that I wouldn't be getting a PS5 for launch day. At this moment in time, I'm actually starting to feel glad that I'm not. I am actually wondering whether to cancel my current pre-order and wait until they've sorted this stuff out.

Hang on... I know this report specifically talks about Sony, but Game Pass aside, isn't this the next-gen price generally - i.e. Xbox too? Why are Sony catching so much flak?

Apart from that, as I've said before, I personally think the hike is a bit much anyway, especially for those of us outside the US who had a hike at the beginning of the current generation whilst the US retained it's $60 pricing.

Yes, I know the US pricing doesn't include tax etc., but even then the highest average US Sales Tax (Tennessee, as far as I've been able to determine) is under 10% - some are as low as 5%, most seem to be around 7%. In the UK, the equivalent (VAT) is 20%.

So a $70 game in Tennesee costs just under $80 after tax. At current exchange rates, the same game, including VAT and costing £70, equates to over $90.

Definitely needs an "Absolute c*nt" badge. 🤣

Joking aside, I'm all for the 'positive reinforcement' vibe, but sometimes you just need to call a spade a spade, and you should be able to warn people off of a potentially bad (maybe even harmful) experience.

Any review system is only worth it if you can help people to actively avoid problems and not pretend they don't exist; not being able to do so only papers over the cracks.

There should be a method of giving people a black mark (not necessarily visible to the public), and a threshold below which matchmaking lumps all the a-holes together, so the rest of us can enjoy the games.

This is just nonsense, and something I sincerely hope is (re)added in future firmware.

With the slow release of info over the last several months, the internal expansion port disabled, and now this - a feature apparently once present but now removed for release - I'm starting to think Sony weren't really ready for release, and were maybe caught on the hop by Microsoft. Perhaps they were aiming for an early 2021 release as with PS3.

@GADG3Tx87 Well, I hope you're right. Seems a ridiculous limitation if this article is correct. If you can't do it at launch, hopefully it'll be enabled in the future.

So it seems my concerns about the use of a fancy new SSD are proving to be correct. Anyone with a large collection is going to be consistently juggling installs or forced to buy expensive (at least initially) expansion modules.

Even if you can only play PS5 games from internal storage, I don't see why you can't at least shunt them to an external HDD for storage when space requires, rather than having to delete and re-install, or worse (for some) re-download them.

How long does a disc-based game take to install?

Does the space of the installed OS include a reserve for gameplay recording, or does that take up further space?

@GADG3Tx87 The article seems to be very clear that you can't store PS5 games on an external drive.

I'm waiting until next Spring, I think. You'll get more TV for less money.

If it's anything like the DS4, connect it via USB and it just works.