Paranoimia

@graysoncharles Got it in one, I reckon.

Mine hasn't even updated yet.

They're possibly going through by name in alphabetical order... a mate whose surname starts with H has updated, another starting with T is yet to update, mine and another mate starting with W are untouched.

I had this on PC way back when it originally released. I seem to remember you were supposed to be able to pull in at a gas station and refuel the cars, but it never seemed to work. Have they fixed the bug in the last 18 years? 🤔😄

Honestly don't care. Haven't played them anyway, and I don't buy new hardware to play old games.

No, because...

(a) At the present time, it seems I won't be getting a system for launch day, as I pre-ordered with ShopTo.

(b) I'm not that bothered by (a) because, for the first time since PS2, there are no launch titles I feel I absolutely must have.

I've said before that I'd have been happy if 'next gen' hadn't happened for another year or two, and so far nothing has happened to change that.

I'll get my PS5 whenever the pre-order materialises, but for now I'm perfectly happy with PS4 and my PC.

Next-gen for me so far is stacking up to be a bit of a let-down.

A Star Wars game which is disappointing? Imagine my lack of surprise.

I've been gaming for 40+ years, since the late 70s. Through all the nonsense in the past about gamers being nerds, spotty teenagers, living in mum's basement, having no girlfriends, etc. I've never been embarrassed to tell people that I'm a gamer.

This last 2 or 3 years, though... that's starting to change. Some people are an absolute fecking embarrassment. A hobby which was once great fun, even with the 'tribal' rivalries of format wars (which go back to the C64/Spectrum days) were light-hearted. Barely a week goes by now without someone being "outraged" or "offended" about something completely insignificant.

Once again, as with so many of the (non) issues plaguing the world today, social media is usually at the centre of it, allowing the rants of morons to find traction when in the past they'd have been laughed at and forgotten. The faceless keyboard warriors, wastes of skin and oxygen, desperate for likes and clicks of approval from their idiot followers to make them feel like they somehow matter in the grand scheme of things.

I've recently been playing some games on a Dell G7 laptop. Trust me, the PS4 really isn't that loud.

It's amusing how gamers can adapt to different controls from one game to the next, yet swap 2 buttons on the UI and everyone has a hissy-fit.

@Arugula I'm the same. As long as the frame-rate is smooth and consistent, I really couldn't care less if it's 30, 60, or higher. I'll take a smooth, locked 30 over something which varies between 50 and 60 any day.

This video, to me, looks no different to when I played it on my Pro. 60 is not the necessity many believe.

So far, probably the game I'm looking forward to most... behind Horizon 2.

The mug clearly does cast a shadow on the PS5 version, it just seems to be shorter due to a higher lighting angle.

Apart from that, the biggest change appears to be in the reflections in skyscraper windows.

I won't be buying it again, though; might not even bother with Miles Morales.

Nothing for me thanks, Bob.

Not usually interested in these, but... that ThunderJaw...

Has anyone ever wanted or needed a party with up to 100 people?

Genuine question.

At some point, it just becomes noise, surely?

No, because I've never really played them anyway.

I enjoyed Fallout 3, but New Vegas was way too similar, bored me, and I didn't play much of it. Plus, Bethesda have become a bit of a running joke.

Horizon 2 will do me for the next gen, even if it's the only one I ever play on it.

There's always been a bit of a disconnect for me with MS. The games they've made have never held much appeal for me (probably why my original Xbox and 360 hardly saw any use), and none of the studios they've bought in recent times have really inspired me either. It's just a big ball of 'meh'.

Yeah... no.

I have a large DVD collection. I rebought a few movies on Blu-ray. I won't be re-buying anything in 4K.

New purchases may be 4K discs. Depends on the price. This habit of charging more for the same movies in higher resolutions is complete BS.

I had a message from ShopTo telling me they couldn't get me mine for launch day. They did ask if I wanted to switch to the Digital Edition. Ha ha! No.

I'm honestly not that fussed. I'm sure the wait won't be too long afterwards, and I've still got lots of stuff unfinished/unstarted on my PS4.

It's also helped by the fact that there's nothing I feel I absolutely must play on day one.

Still, more stock is being produced all the time, so there's a good chance they'll get another allocation of units soon.

Being perfectly honest, I'm less excited for "next gen" than I've ever been before.

This doesn't really bother me personally, but that being said, I can see absolutely no valid reason why this should be the case, apart from 'the individual developer wants it that way.'

Why they'd want it that way, I don't know... except perhaps as a form of encouragement to buy a PS5 version. But it's just data... there's no reason you couldn't just copy the file and have the game read and convert it as necessary.

Never been interested in it. Love the two games, but tried the multi-player briefly on PS3 and never touched it again. Same with the Uncharted games... played the required amount of online for the Platinums, but that was about it.

If it plays games, I'm happy. Everything else is fluff.

Don't really care what the UI looks like. Just want to know about the copying of games when internal storage is full.

@blockfight They are best played that way, but since PS4 (and presumably PS5) support keyboard and mouse, there's no reason it couldn't be played that way on the console - if the developer were to support it, which many don't even when they could/should.

@710King As I recall, it was all about the graphics. It was right at the beginning of all this nonsense about higher resolutions and frame rates supposedly being what makes a 'good' game - the start of the dumb PCMR "ooh, shiny!" mentality. Even back then, graphics aside, many saw it as being a distinctly average game.

Some will pay, some won't. I don't see that anyone will really do so 'happily', though.

It may or may not reduce the number of games I buy, but we'll see by how much physical copies are discounted on Amazon, Game Collection, etc.

Personally, I still don't see that it's justified.

It's ridiculous that Sony should even be expected to clarify it.

Not sure why anyone would expect a PS5 version of Spider-Man to be completely free. I don't, and I only bought it in a sale in November 2019.

The free upgrades are for late-generation games, in the months prior to the new consoles. For TLOU2 and GoT I could understand if they did it, but wouldn't be shocked, surprised, or angry if they didn't.

For a two-year-old game? Nah, that's reaching, and smacks of the "gamer entitlement" we're seeing more and more of in recent times.

What this game needs is some AI helper bots which you can send off to collect all the stuff you need for jump fuel, to relieve some of the tedium and just let you explore. That's why I stopped playing; loved the rest of it, just got sick of that.

Yes, I'm aware there's an 'easy mode'; no, I don't want to enable that. It's just that with all that theoretical tech, you'd have something to do the menial work.

Not in the slightest. I've never bought many of their games, so it's no loss to me. Besides, I buy PlayStation primarily for Sony's own games. Third-party titles are a bonus, but everything on Xbox will also be on PC, so I'm not going to miss out on anything.

Besides, who has ever based a hardware purchasing decision whether or not it plays Bugtester Notworks (sorry, I mean Bethesda Softworks) games?

"How much do you want for your company?"

"$7.5 billion."

"Done!"

"Yes, you have been."

Wasn't planning to buy it this year anyway. I'll give it a miss for a year or two. Only ever really play it in local co-op with a mate anyway, and since we can't get together at the mo there's no need.

No big deal as far as I'm concerned. Enjoyed Fallout 3 on PS3. Never completed New Vegas on 360. Had Dishonored, which was okay. That's about it, I think.

They're not a developer I personally will be losing any sleep over, especially as Bethesda has become a bit of a farce in recent years. And as I've said previously, if they should make anything worth my time in future, it'll be on PC.

Doesn't work for me. I can view the model on my phone, but when I hit the AR button it just takes me to the Google AR Core website.

Will fit just fine, horizontally under my TV.

@Flaming_Kaiser I didn't say it would be ideal, just that it could be done. Wouldn't be much worse than the delay jumping across the same world in Horizon, The Division, or Breakpoint. Just stick in some Stargate-like portal as a load screen, or a story-related minigame to play while it's loading like they used to do back in the C64 days, rather than a static screen with gameplay tips and a progress bar.

I said ages ago that the supplied storage wouldn't last long before it's full. If it constantly captures an hour of video like PS4, that's going to eat into it too... especially if it records in 4K.

So as well as needing to know what expansions are available/compatible, we also need to know how we're going to be managing the storage. Will you have to uninstall a game, or can you shunt it to an attached HDD? Can you run a PS5 game from an external HDD if you wish?

More importantly, what's the point of an instant-loading super SSD if you have to waste several minutes moving a game from HDD to internal SSD in order to play?

I've got a nasty feeling that for all the crowing about these fancy new drives, in the long run, they're actually going to be the biggest PITA of the new system.

It's okay for Microsoft, because they don't have the range or quality of exclusive titles which Sony has. They don't have the studios, they haven't been investing multi-millions into numerous games, so it's more cost-effective for them to bung some cash at publishers and give away low-cost access to everyone else's output. For my tastes, the studios they recently bought won't change that.

Very different situation for Sony and Nintendo.

Game Pass is on PC, but I haven't taken it up there. Not interested in most of the games, so for me at least, it's a waste of money no matter how low the cost.

There's not going to be a vast difference in actual gameplay, because I've not seen anything on PS5 which couldn't be done on PS4, minus some snazzy effects. Even Ratchet & Clank would most likely work on PS4, albeit with some loading screens.

They were originally planning to have co-op in the original Horizon, but dropped it. I'm guessing "built from the ground up for PS5" means features like co-op will exist there, but be stripped from the PS4 version.

Don't care. Got the original in a sale and enjoyed it, but wouldn't want to play through it again.

That's all very, very subjective.

Of the games listed, for PS5 there's only one which is an absolute must-buy for me, and that's Horizon.

Whereas from the PS4 list, I bought eight, and three of those were launch titles.

It's bonkers how people are getting so bent out of shape about what are, at the end of the day, some fairly irrelevant things.

I predict the UI will have exactly the same reaction as those of PS4 and PS3 before it. Initially, some will love it and some will hate it. Then everyone will get used to it. And after a couple of years, people will start complaining about how it seems to be getting slow and clunky, looks dated, and "could really do with freshening up."

Much like cover art, I don't really care what it looks like, as I personally spend very little time (relatively speaking) looking at it. Besides, has anyone ever not bought a console because of the user interface? Seems pretty shallow if so.

What I want are details of how it operates. Where does it save video? Can you copy to USB while doing something else? Will it copy at full USB3 speed? Is there a new ShareFactory? What happens with installing/uninstalling when you inevitably run out of space on the snazzy SSD? How much are the expansion SSDs?

In the UK and Europe, the price of games should not be increasing. They bumped us up for this generation.

The whole "4K assets take more work" argument doesn't hold water either... they've been creating these for PC for some time, and prices there aren't increasing with each new graphics card. In fact, now that consoles can handle 4K assets and don't need 'downsizing', there should actually be less work for them than there was previously.

@TheRedComet Not entirely convinced. SSDs have been available on PCs for quite a while, but haven't led to anything truly groundbreaking in overall game design. That might be easier to achieve on a console where everyone has identical hardware,

Whenever something comes along with "more power", the focus always seems to be exclusively on resolutions, frame rates, and making things look 'prettier'. But we still have all the same limitations on gameplay that we had in the PS2/PS3 era. You can break this window and get in this building, but not that one. You can wipe out an entire opposing force on your own to access this office block, but you can't move the computer desk blocking the stairs to access the roof, even though it's on castors. You've just scaled a cliff face with your bare hands, but the path to the right has a small fallen tree which you can't hop over, so you have to go left. This is the crap I want gone from games, and as the graphics do inevitably become more realistic, such limitations become ever harder to ignore.

Not a good look, but personally I really couldn't care less. While I'm still in for PS5 day-one, this is a great turn of events for those who have PS4 but may not want to upgrade for a while. Earlier in the year they were getting flak for saying they wouldn't do this, now they're getting flak for doing it.

Nothing is being "held back" by PS4, because from what I've seen so far, there's been precious little shown on PS5 which couldn't be done on PS4 anyway; the only difference is, on PS5 it'll be a bit prettier and you won't need to wait for loading.

Loading speeds aside, the whole next-gen push so far has been nothing more than pandering to the likes of the PCMR crowd who seem to think that a "good game" is determined by little more than resolutions and frame-rates. I've stated in comments here several times previously that - despite all the talk - the next generation seemed to be shaping up to be pretty much all the same games again, but a bit prettier... and that seems to be exactly what we're getting, on all platforms.

@severeatrophy Good to know. Cheers for the info.

@severeatrophy Good to know, as I registered interest with them. Did you get notified by email? I've not had anything yet, and their site is currently fooked as far as logging in goes, presumably by everyone scrambling to get in the queue.

It was okay. Getting the system at launch regardless, but not much in there for me.

Don't forget, Sony have been absolutely raking it in with Plus subscriptions for several years. They could take a fair old hit on the cost to stick it to the competition. Whether they will or not is another matter, but they could.

Given what they've produced up to this point, I personally wouldn't be bothered anyway.

I'm now half expecting that chiming sound to be part of the UI.

@eddie429 Wouldn't know, they're largely an irrelevance to me so I don't really follow what they do.

No mention of whether there'll be a price, though, so don't get your hopes up!