Paranoimia

@nessisonett It is getting a bit ridiculous.

Damage? Proper/decent opponent AI? Or just a prettier version? If it's another series of pretty processions, I'll pass.

@Dr-M Oh, it's quite diverse, and I'm not saying they're bad games... there's just not much of real interest to me.

I used to like R&C, but got bored of them with A Crack in Time, so the new one isn't the 'must play' it once would have been. I might pick it up, but later when it's cheaper.

Similar with Miles Morales - I enjoyed Spider-Man, but I picked it up late and cheap in a sale; the new game isn't a system seller for me.

Probably the one game I would get day one (if I had a confirmed PS5) is Watch Dogs Legion as I enjoyed the first two, but again... I don't feel like I absolutely have to play it.

The PS Plus Collection would probably be my biggest day-one draw, but most of what I'd want to play, I already own on PS4, so not exactly a system seller; I don't really care about higher resolutions and frame-rates when I've already played perfectly good versions on my Pro.

If you want to see what games interest me:
https://psnprofiles.com/Paranoimia

Horizon 2 or something from Naughty Dog would have had me excited, or a sequel to Days Gone. For what's available at launch, I'm happy to wait. I didn't really feel we needed the next generation yet anyway - I could happily have waited another year or two. Plus, I'm still not entirely convinced we're going to see much improvement in games beyond 'prettier' and 'more frames', at least not outside of Sony's first-party stuff. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I refuse to get my hopes up, as the only innovation many devs/publishers seem interested in is how to cram more MTX into games.

None. For the first time ever, there's nothing at launch which appeals to me... which makes it easier that it seems I won't get one for launch. It's a pretty dire line-up, in my personal opinion.

Used to love R&C, but lost interest with A Crack in Time, so probably won't be bothering with this.

Can you set the system to record gameplay footage to an external drive, rather than the internal SSD? If not, is there already space reserved for the recording so you don't lose more when you record?

Any indication as to whether you can shunt PS5 games to an external HDD when the internal storage is full, rather than deleting and re-installing?

Is PS5 any quicker at installing games from disc than PS4?

When you copy media to USB, does it copy at full speed unlike PS4? Can copies be done in the background so you can get on with something else?

Can you install PS4 games on the internal SSD if you wish?

With the system out in 2 weeks, why is some info still embargoed?

@KnightRider1982 The download speed will depend on your internet, as it always has. I've got 100Mb broadband, and it took me about half an hour.

Well, I'm not unhappy as I still get enough from Plus to justify the cost... but there's nothing here I'll be downloading.

"PS5 fans are very concerned..."

Are they, though? Really? Or is it just the usual overly-vocal minority of people who only seem to be happy when they're whining about something?

Good grief, Penfold. 😔🙄

My personal favourite game of the generation, and coincidentally was just about to start playing it again. Will have to leave this downloading and installing, and wait until tomorrow now.

@Makina Whether you bought it on disc or digitally, it's still installed on and run from the HDD, and you'd still have to download the patch, so...?

It's a 'no' from me, Bob.

Honestly, social media just needs to die now. There's nothing "social" about it any more. And the tribalism it generates is spilling over into the real world, making people more hateful than ever over the most ridiculously trivial things.

"stiff to begin with, before you push past the initial resistance and slide into the thrust"

Ooohhhhhhh, Matron! 😮🤪

@Arnna I don't. Up to this point, there's been very little need for one; I don't own any 4K movies, and there's precious little TV content either. That said, it's also never been an issue for me - I also only have a 1080p monitor for my PC, even though it's more than capable of 4K.

It was only ever going to be gaming which nudged me towards a 4K TV, and even now I'm thinking I'll hold off until next spring to get one, when not only will PS5's capabilities be better known, but there'll also be a wider range of fully compatible TVs available... and probably at lower price points than they are now. Until then, a PS5 will run perfectly well on my current 1080p Bravia.

I've considered a large (32+ inches) 4K gaming monitor, but they get stupidly expensive compared to 4K TVs, even though on the surface they're offering you less (no tuners, etc.); yes, I know there are other technical issues which supposedly justify the prices, but it still strikes me as ludicrous. I certainly wouldn't want to put a PS5 on anything smaller than 42 inches, so monitors are out of the running... it'll have to be a TV.

Well, that's officially the first Plus game on PS5 that I won't be bothering with.

So someone posted complete BS on Twitter, and half the internet has taken it as absolute truth? 🤔

Huh. There's a novelty. Never known that to happen before.

I don't mind the layout. Some curious decisions, though.

Also, what's "included"?

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Showing my age...

What superstar who? 🤣

Does it grate with anyone else that these "influencers" get sent them for free, while some long-time fans can't buy the thing for love nor money?

If there's no half-tuck, is it really Drake? 🤔😉

@thedevilsjester This is why for the longest time, I've wanted info about how the system works with external storage.

Something like Sharefactory is the kind of app I'd want to shunt to and use from an external HDD, rather than have it taking up space on what - let's face it - is going to be some pretty expensive internal storage.

They said in the UI reveal video that PS5 will be capable of recording gameplay at up to 4K 60fps. If it's like the PS4 and that video can only be recorded on the internal drive, at around 20GB for an hour of video, that's going to chew through your internal storage rapidly even if you fully expand it. You certainly won't be wanting to keep many clips on the system.

And let's hope it's quicker than PS4 if you want to copy clips off to USB, too.

Personally, I've never seen the point of card and board games on computers/consoles.

The point of poker and such is the risk/reward of losing/winning cash, which I've never found carries over to a videogame.

For board games, the appeal (for me at least) is the tactile feel of rolling the dice and moving the pieces... and in some cases, arguing with family over the implementation and/or interpretation of certain rules... which again, you don't get in a videogame version.

Still, if it's your thing, more power to ya.

The problem with Sharefactory was that nowhere near enough custom intros/outros/transitions were released for games. There were some great ones for Horizon, DriveClub, etc. Hope it gets better support from devs on PS5.

@2cents I could play on PC if I wanted to, but generally keep that for simulation type games.

Bought a lot of Ubi titles this gen - probably more than any other developer. They've all had microtransactions, but they've all been entirely optional, with no detriment to gameplay. And that's why I have no problem buying their games... if there's a "right way" to do MTX, this is it.

@ShogunRok "Sony's been leading up to this on PS4. Like people have mentioned, some games have given out exclusive avatars if you have the Platinum."

Will be great as long as they ensure that people actually get them, and that it isn't decided by region or by random. Never did get my theme for Horizon. It really needs to be an "everyone or no-one" approach.

Smaller? Maybe. Twice the price? Definitely.

And most likely trumpeting features that the competition had 3 years ago, and claiming they invented it.

Why would anyone want a party chat to be like Discord?

Discord is a mess in visual form - hundreds of people effectively talking over one another, with no way to follow a discussion. Why would you want that in audio form?

To my mind, small, private party chats were the ideal solution to the chaotic in-game lobbies where you could hear everyone talking/eating/drinking/singing/playing music. Baffles me who'd want more than 10 people in private party chat.

And yet...

Some time ago, I recall reading that Sony doesn't set the prices for the store, the publishers do.

So...?

Legend has it that is you're very, very quiet in the dead of night, you can hear the sound of me not giving a sh*t.

Looks quite swish... I like it.

@Keyblade-Dan Well, you'd think so, but as these comments show, some are just never happy.

@Chryssy75 It's not something which bothers me. If the frame rate is smooth and consistent, I'm quite happy with 1080p and 30fps. If I was bothered by that stuff, do all my gaming on my PC.

Seriously, why up to 100 people in a chat? Who wants it? Who needs it? There were 3 of us on last night and multiple instances of talking over each other.

Rarely, if ever, as I'll be keeping my Pro.

@ApostateMage Ladies, perhaps... but not as many laughs as Mike Hunt.

Why is it that every single EA game which features 'realistic' character models always seems to have waxy-looking skin? Like a sheen on it - not sweaty looking, but more... 'polished'.

Is it just me, or do others see it that way too? FIFA, Madden, NHL... even NFS, Star Wars... they always have the same look.

Shame they haven't dropped the PS Plus price. Maybe that's still to come, or they're saving it for Black Friday. Think I'm signed up until 2022, but always nice to extend it on the cheap.

@SJBUK Well, we'll have to wait and see. The reason I'm a little pessimistic is that developers tend to play it safe and stick to what they know. That, and the fact that all many people seem interested in are resolutions and frame rates, which in turn encourages devs to play it safe and make the same again, but with minor tweaks.

If we're honest, PC has had the power and the SSDs for a good number of years now, but have games significantly changed or improved outside of graphics and frame rates?

@thefourfoldroot Nope. He didn't have those. Haven't really been a fan of Wipeout since the original anyway.

I played EVE: Valkyrie, RIGS, the Star Wars X-Wing thingy, and a few others. I was impressed with the hardware itself, and there have been a couple of games I'd like to play (Robinson, Moss), but there's nowhere near enough games on it that I'd want to play to justify buying one for myself.

@thefourfoldroot Nah. Used it twice in my life... the original arcade models back in the 90s, and a friend's PSVR. It doesn't do much for me. While it's visually immersive, I've found gameplay for most games quite basic and limited.

Plus I despise having anything on my head for any length of time.

At the moment, if I got a VR system, I probably wouldn't use it for gaming at all, but more for the virtual tour type stuff, to 'visit' places I otherwise may never see.

@Jaz007 We'll see, I guess. But the things I'm thinking of... better AI, more interactive worlds, etc. could have been done by now.

The fact that R&C is the only game so far that anyone can point to kinda proves the point I'm making. The rest - so far - seem like more of the same, and don't really justify new hardware.

It's potentially an advantage which only Sony first-party studios may truly make use of, as others will still have to cater for other platforms; and we already know that one of those platform holders has a habit of requiring 'feature parity', potentially preventing developers from having features in games which their platform doesn't/can't support.

It's all very well saying "it allows developers to...", but it still requires them to actually do it. So far I've not seen much evidence. I do genuinely hope I'm wrong.

Never been that bothered by loading times, coming form 20+ minutes on a C64 cassette.

Naughty Dog seemed to have it cracked, with an initial load and then nothing noticeable during the game.

Though others did begin to try my patience, particularly open-world games. Horizon wasn't great for loading, but the quality of the game made it worthwhile. GR Breakpoint gets very intrusive for the supposedly 'fast' travel... so much so that I tended not to use it, but rather find a helicopter and actually make the journey across the map.

Even so, when loading times are one of the 'big things' people are talking about, it's easier to understand why this 'next gen' is the least excited I've been in a long time.

I want something that's going to really improve the actual games I'm playing. The new controller might help a bit. Load times, 4K, and 60fps are not going to lead to better games - only more of the same, but slightly prettier. And that's not enough to get me excited.

@MarcG420 Smaller than they would be, perhaps. But that's not what was stated. If someone installs a game which takes up 100GB, I don't think they're going to be that bothered that it might have taken up 120GB on a HDD.

As the other article I linked states, savings from not requiring duplication of assets could be lost or even outweighed by the higher quality of those assets. So while it's certainly true that games may be smaller than they may have been if using a standard HDD, the assertion that they will be smaller over all isn't going to be true in all cases. In the case of Spider-Man Remastered, it's entirely possible that the game takes up less space because it shares at least some assets with the Miles Morales game; that would make sense, as it's the same city... plus you can't buy it as a stand-alone title.

Wherever you choose to look, the general consensus is that the installs are going to be large, and eat up the initial internal storage fairly quickly.

@thefourfoldroot All a diversion from the point I initially made: PS5 games aren't smaller in size.

@thefourfoldroot No, I read it all. They're about the same size as PS4. That makes them not smaller.

If you only play 2 or 3 then yes, you'll be fine. I don't play that many myself compared to some, but on PS4 I've got a 1.5TB internally and a 1TB external, and I've still had to delete some to make room after various patches, updates, and DLCs.

I've gone from 16% of the way through level 25 to 40% of the way through 375. So... Silver Tier 1.

@thefourfoldroot Guess you didn't read this article: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/ps5_game_install_sizes_revealed_and_theyre_enormous