@get2sammyb You make a console that's worth 500 dollars and you do whatever you must to have a steady supply of big games available.
You make basically a second console that's worth another 500 bucks that requires the original console and that you can't use on PC, and you don't make sure that there is a steady supply of big games available?
Doesn't seem like a good idea. I am sure that you are making a lot of money from this website so you don't care about the money you used to buy this device, but 90% of users are unimpressed. I made that number up, but it's probably true.
MS's model actually would work if they can deliver big first party games every 2-3 months in addition to the 3rd party games they are currently adding. Just imagine how many millions of people would sign up to GP even if it's the 12 month option. Sony should start sweating.
30 bucks for an expansion? Just how long is the main story? If they focused mainly on copy pasting their 3 side quest types over and over this is not worth the price at all.
@UltimateOtaku91 Everything has been done before. What Starfield does is evolve the medium by providing you with many systems to play around while not sacrificing depth. It's an upgrade over any other RPG. The only 'next gen' game since Red Dead 2.
Chances are I won't play any of the games you listed. Obsidian just doesn't have the budget or talent to make games even as big as the decade old Skyrim. Outer Worlds is mediocre AF. Halo and Gears are dinosaurs, Hifi Rush is anime and I hate it so hard pass and we know nothing about Clockwork.
@Jaxx420 I don't care about effort. It's all about the final product. If it's not good people shouldn't play it. I have enjoyed Firewatch and Furi in the past, but enough is enough. I can't imagine playing any more of them. There is just not enough meat on the bone. I want new stuff. Everyone should.
Horizon is a copy of Ubisoft's formula. The big differences they made are in the setting and enemies, but I wouldn't exactly call robot dinosaurs and animals to be creative.
@Jaxx420 What other game should I use? Red Dead 2? GTA 5? There aren't a lot of industry pushing studios out there.
Yeah indie games are just games with a small budget. It doesn't make them special. Instead of saying that they 'keep the industry fresh' how about you instead boycott Ubisoft, Guerilla etc for being so lazy?
@Jaxx420 Say whatever you want about open games, but at least they are not linear. Now those types of games are like dinosaurs and are dragging the industry down.
I don't need to play Starfield to appreciate what Bethesda have done. Which is btw more than any Sony studio.
@Jaxx420 Great games need depth and choice which Starfield provides. Those other games you mentioned don't push the medium forward. They don't have the budget.
@MikeOrator There is nothing truly new. Even back in the 90s computer games had mechanics deeper than most contemporary titles. Humans have been around for a while so it's safe to say that everything has been thought of before.
What makes Starfield so exciting is that you get the usual AAA package with the pretty graphics, voiced and deep dialogues, action, stealth etc and it's merged with new levels of depth and flexibility. This is what is pushing the medium forward.
Just compare the Starfied showcase to a Ubisoft game. Sure they get bigger, but the underlying mechanics have stayed the same since at least AC3. What little changes they made in Origins were ripped straight out of Witcher 3. And the writing is just bottom of the barrel.
@MikeOrator What pushes Starfield ahead of Elden Ring and Zelda is that in addition to the crafting systems, freedom of approach and dynamic gameplay possibilities is that you also get fully fledged cities, storylines, characters and opportunity to talk to people and influence them with money and perks. It just does everything at a high level. The only other studio to not compromise is Rockstar.
@MikeOrator You can't really compare Zelda and Starfield. I honestly have no idea what exactly connects them in your eyes. Zelda is not that hard to run, but the switch was outdated even in 2017 so of course most games will run poorly.
@OrtadragoonX Wow. This is such a weird comment to see on here. Another user accused me of trolling and blocked me earlier for saying basically the same thing.
Apparently the entire testing department of Microsoft is all over Starfield so maybe the performance and polish day 1 will be acceptable.
@MikeOrator Console gaming's number 1 goal is to be cheap. It's a miracle that you can play a game as ambitious as Starfield at 4k 30 for only 500 bucks. If you want it all buy a PC.
Also, we can already see the amount of systems in Starfield. There is no need to speculate about anything besides performance at launch.
@Tharsman Of course. Accuse me of trolling for simply not thinking inside of the small box you are living in.
No other game is trying to be Starfield. Games are trying to be Ubisoft. Copy and paste 5 mission types over and over, marvel-ish weak writing, 0 depth, artificial leveling up system and level gating, actual bloat, arcade-y game flow etc
@Tharsman You are 100% wrong. AC and Horizon are huge. Starfield is AMBITIOUS. New mechanics, new ways to play, complete freedom, moddng tools that will help people develop amazing new experiences over the next decade and even help break into the industry.
There is NOTHING that connects Startfield with crap like AC and Horizon.
LOTR is great, but I can't see the casuals flocking to it to the same extend as they did for Marvel a few years ago. It's too deep and religious at heart.
@Falkirk4life Stepping up is not as easy as pressing a button. IF they have invested so much into live service games and there is little to no hype for them (the same goes for Suicide Squad) they might have a disappointing 5 year stretch only propped up by Wolverine, Ghost Of Tsushima 2 and a few others. I don't expect a new release from Naughty Dog any time soon seeing as how the majority of their workforce was slaving away at MP Last of Us that only 5 people care about.
@Gamer_Guy I feel like some games deserve the 30fps cap. When you put so much content in a game and allow the different system to interact to such an extend you've won me over no matter the sacrifices.
@MFTWrecks First of all if you didn't find Starfield to be the most ambitious game of the generation by a mile then your standards are too high. Nothing will ever impress you ever until humans evolve to experience things in our brains that can affect our hormones directly like in sci fi movies.
Second of all Bethesda games are nowhere near as bad as you are making them out to be. Their success even a decade+ after launch is testament to how well crafted they are. Their modding tools alone elevate them into legendary status. There is so much quality content coming out all the time that talented people have invested countless hours into.
@practicein2021 Blame the consumers not the studios. When people continue buying cinematic linear games and bloated Ubisoft crap instead of less polished, but more ambitious games it makes no sense to invest millions in the latter.
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Re: Sony Says Not Making PS5, PS4 Exclusives Free with PS Plus on Day One Is a Strategy That's Working
@Perturbator But if games like Starfield and Hellblade etc are on GP day 1 why wouldn't you want that have a GP subscription?
Re: Time Travelling Opus Wanderer Rewrites History with Impressive PSVR2 Remake
@get2sammyb You make a console that's worth 500 dollars and you do whatever you must to have a steady supply of big games available.
You make basically a second console that's worth another 500 bucks that requires the original console and that you can't use on PC, and you don't make sure that there is a steady supply of big games available?
Doesn't seem like a good idea. I am sure that you are making a lot of money from this website so you don't care about the money you used to buy this device, but 90% of users are unimpressed. I made that number up, but it's probably true.
Re: Time Travelling Opus Wanderer Rewrites History with Impressive PSVR2 Remake
Any PSVR2 game with a release date of '2024' is an automatic OOF
Re: Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail Dev's Profits Eclipse Even PlayStation
Removed; user is banned
Re: Sony Says Not Making PS5, PS4 Exclusives Free with PS Plus on Day One Is a Strategy That's Working
MS's model actually would work if they can deliver big first party games every 2-3 months in addition to the 3rd party games they are currently adding. Just imagine how many millions of people would sign up to GP even if it's the 12 month option. Sony should start sweating.
Re: No New Game Announcements to Celebrate The Last of Us' Tenth Anniversary
@GodofCapcom MP games do need new content
Re: There's Growing Concern Over Persona Dev's Metaphor: ReFantazio Being an Xbox Exclusive
@number1024 Not really. Microsoft will invest a lot of money to keep it exclusive.
Re: No New Game Announcements to Celebrate The Last of Us' Tenth Anniversary
@JSnow2 It is better to have loved and lost
Re: No New Game Announcements to Celebrate The Last of Us' Tenth Anniversary
Downs? What downs? The PC port at launch? Those guys are used to it.
Re: PS Plus Premium Will Allow for PS5 Game Streaming in Future Update
I am looking forward to this! I streamed TLOU 2 on my PC in 2020 when I didn't have access to a console. It worked perfectly.
Re: There's Growing Concern Over Persona Dev's Metaphor: ReFantazio Being an Xbox Exclusive
@Suur It's an investment. Sure most anime fans are on PS, but 5 years from now when the Xbox Series One XS360 comes out it might be closer to 50/50
Re: Cyberpunk 2077's Game-Changing Improvements Are Not Locked Behind Phantom Liberty Expansion
30 bucks for an expansion? Just how long is the main story? If they focused mainly on copy pasting their 3 side quest types over and over this is not worth the price at all.
Re: There's Growing Concern Over Persona Dev's Metaphor: ReFantazio Being an Xbox Exclusive
It might be smart for MS to do this. FF7 and 16 will never be on XBOX.
Re: No, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Is Definitely Not Releasing on PS4
@SSJ3Goku You can always watch the cutscenes on youtube
Re: No, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Is Definitely Not Releasing on PS4
@Savage_Joe Just think about the PS1 gamers who are getting shafted for over 20 years
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@UltimateOtaku91 Everything has been done before. What Starfield does is evolve the medium by providing you with many systems to play around while not sacrificing depth. It's an upgrade over any other RPG. The only 'next gen' game since Red Dead 2.
Chances are I won't play any of the games you listed. Obsidian just doesn't have the budget or talent to make games even as big as the decade old Skyrim. Outer Worlds is mediocre AF. Halo and Gears are dinosaurs, Hifi Rush is anime and I hate it so hard pass and we know nothing about Clockwork.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Jaxx420 I don't care about effort. It's all about the final product. If it's not good people shouldn't play it. I have enjoyed Firewatch and Furi in the past, but enough is enough. I can't imagine playing any more of them. There is just not enough meat on the bone. I want new stuff. Everyone should.
Horizon is a copy of Ubisoft's formula. The big differences they made are in the setting and enemies, but I wouldn't exactly call robot dinosaurs and animals to be creative.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Jaxx420 What other game should I use? Red Dead 2? GTA 5? There aren't a lot of industry pushing studios out there.
Yeah indie games are just games with a small budget. It doesn't make them special. Instead of saying that they 'keep the industry fresh' how about you instead boycott Ubisoft, Guerilla etc for being so lazy?
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Jaxx420 Say whatever you want about open games, but at least they are not linear. Now those types of games are like dinosaurs and are dragging the industry down.
I don't need to play Starfield to appreciate what Bethesda have done. Which is btw more than any Sony studio.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Jaxx420 Great games need depth and choice which Starfield provides. Those other games you mentioned don't push the medium forward. They don't have the budget.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@MikeOrator There is nothing truly new. Even back in the 90s computer games had mechanics deeper than most contemporary titles. Humans have been around for a while so it's safe to say that everything has been thought of before.
What makes Starfield so exciting is that you get the usual AAA package with the pretty graphics, voiced and deep dialogues, action, stealth etc and it's merged with new levels of depth and flexibility. This is what is pushing the medium forward.
Just compare the Starfied showcase to a Ubisoft game. Sure they get bigger, but the underlying mechanics have stayed the same since at least AC3. What little changes they made in Origins were ripped straight out of Witcher 3. And the writing is just bottom of the barrel.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@MikeOrator What pushes Starfield ahead of Elden Ring and Zelda is that in addition to the crafting systems, freedom of approach and dynamic gameplay possibilities is that you also get fully fledged cities, storylines, characters and opportunity to talk to people and influence them with money and perks. It just does everything at a high level. The only other studio to not compromise is Rockstar.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@MikeOrator Yeah that tharsman guy hates people disagreeing with him. It's his prerogative of course.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@MikeOrator You can't really compare Zelda and Starfield. I honestly have no idea what exactly connects them in your eyes. Zelda is not that hard to run, but the switch was outdated even in 2017 so of course most games will run poorly.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@OrtadragoonX Wow. This is such a weird comment to see on here. Another user accused me of trolling and blocked me earlier for saying basically the same thing.
Apparently the entire testing department of Microsoft is all over Starfield so maybe the performance and polish day 1 will be acceptable.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@MikeOrator Console gaming's number 1 goal is to be cheap. It's a miracle that you can play a game as ambitious as Starfield at 4k 30 for only 500 bucks. If you want it all buy a PC.
Also, we can already see the amount of systems in Starfield. There is no need to speculate about anything besides performance at launch.
Re: The Last of Us PC Patch Verifies Remake for Steam Deck
@SomeoneIDK Start saving
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Tharsman Of course. Accuse me of trolling for simply not thinking inside of the small box you are living in.
No other game is trying to be Starfield. Games are trying to be Ubisoft. Copy and paste 5 mission types over and over, marvel-ish weak writing, 0 depth, artificial leveling up system and level gating, actual bloat, arcade-y game flow etc
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Tharsman You are 100% wrong. AC and Horizon are huge. Starfield is AMBITIOUS. New mechanics, new ways to play, complete freedom, moddng tools that will help people develop amazing new experiences over the next decade and even help break into the industry.
There is NOTHING that connects Startfield with crap like AC and Horizon.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
@Tharsman you are part of the problem.
GOOD. Let developers create new ambitious games like Starfield instead of recycled crap like AC and Horizon.
Re: Lord of the Rings Needs to Be the Biggest Game Franchise in the World, Says Embracer
LOTR is great, but I can't see the casuals flocking to it to the same extend as they did for Marvel a few years ago. It's too deep and religious at heart.
Re: Microsoft Welcomes FTC's Injunction on Xbox's Activision Blizzard Buyout
@Falkirk4life Stepping up is not as easy as pressing a button. IF they have invested so much into live service games and there is little to no hype for them (the same goes for Suicide Squad) they might have a disappointing 5 year stretch only propped up by Wolverine, Ghost Of Tsushima 2 and a few others. I don't expect a new release from Naughty Dog any time soon seeing as how the majority of their workforce was slaving away at MP Last of Us that only 5 people care about.
Re: Layoffs, Closures, and Cancellations as Embracer Group Undergoes Huge Restructure
Maybe Nintendo will buy them
Re: USA's FTC Poised to Drop Injunction on Xbox's $69 Billion Activision Blizzard Buyout
@Intr1n5ic It might also be the most powerful game
Re: PS5 Title Pragmata Finally Reappears Only to Confirm an Indefinite Delay
What is it with modern movies/games and shiny lights. It's like 'ooh shiny must be important' has replaced having to write an interesting script.
Re: USA's FTP Poised to Drop Injunction on Xbox's $69 Billion Activision Blizzard Buyout
The US knows how successful Starfield is going to be and said 'We have to save Sony'
Re: Star Wars Outlaws Looks Legitimately Mind Blowing in Huge PS5 Gameplay Demo
Looks like a typical action adventure game with a star wars skin and sound pack.
Re: Assassin's Creed Mirage Does Its Best Impression of the Old Games in First Gameplay Demo
I am impressed that they went as far as to make the game look and feel as if it was developed a decade ago.
Re: Poll: What Do You Think of the Final Fantasy 16 PS5 Demo?
Balrog and Anivia in the background chilling
Re: PS5's Final Fantasy 16 Marketing Onslaught Has Started with Sick London Buses
I hope they include this in the collector editions
Re: Rebuilding the City of Baldur's Gate was Larian Studios' Greatest Fear; Now Its Proudest Achievement
@AverageGamer And Larian has released console games in the past
Re: Preview: Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty Is the PS5 RPG You've Always Wanted
@Gamer_Guy I feel like some games deserve the 30fps cap. When you put so much content in a game and allow the different system to interact to such an extend you've won me over no matter the sacrifices.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 Demo Out Now on PS5, Progress Carries Over to the Full Game
@jollyjoe0 That's a line in every game ever made
Re: Rebuilding the City of Baldur's Gate was Larian Studios' Greatest Fear; Now Its Proudest Achievement
@AverageGamer Sony bought Nixxes and they have way too pc focus.
Re: Reaction: Solid Xbox Showcase Should Give Sony Some Incentive to Stop Being So Damn Cloak and Daggers About PS5, PS4
@Ragdoll72 But they showcased the content during the showcase
Re: Reaction: Solid Xbox Showcase Should Give Sony Some Incentive to Stop Being So Damn Cloak and Daggers About PS5, PS4
@Ragdoll72 Didn't you watch the showcase? There is more content in Starfield than in the entire Naughty Dog library of games combined.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077's Phantom Liberty Expansion Is So, So Much More Than PS5 DLC
I just want them to release Witcher 4 already.
Re: Reaction: Solid Xbox Showcase Should Give Sony Some Incentive to Stop Being So Damn Cloak and Daggers About PS5, PS4
@MFTWrecks First of all if you didn't find Starfield to be the most ambitious game of the generation by a mile then your standards are too high. Nothing will ever impress you ever until humans evolve to experience things in our brains that can affect our hormones directly like in sci fi movies.
Second of all Bethesda games are nowhere near as bad as you are making them out to be. Their success even a decade+ after launch is testament to how well crafted they are. Their modding tools alone elevate them into legendary status. There is so much quality content coming out all the time that talented people have invested countless hours into.
Re: Reaction: Solid Xbox Showcase Should Give Sony Some Incentive to Stop Being So Damn Cloak and Daggers About PS5, PS4
@practicein2021 Blame the consumers not the studios. When people continue buying cinematic linear games and bloated Ubisoft crap instead of less polished, but more ambitious games it makes no sense to invest millions in the latter.
Re: Reaction: Solid Xbox Showcase Should Give Sony Some Incentive to Stop Being So Damn Cloak and Daggers About PS5, PS4
@MFTWrecks They showcased plenty of Starfield and it looks like it's the game of the generation so far. Everything else kinda blends together.