Pathetic. The base model is perfectly fine, to the point that they’re still persisting with PS4 versions of games. This is so obviously a desperate attempt to suck up to shareholders after Concord.
@Atreus97 A reasonable solution is royalties. Literally just royalties. They’re designed that way for a reason, the more copies sold, the more money goes out to artists. It’s their only way to have any financial security later in life. Streaming is already killing this, now we have chancers like Rockstar conning musicians.
@Shalooda I’m shocked that there’s people defending this. Even in the 80s being bought out of potential royalties for basically 5 grand would be utter insanity.
For reference, Kenny Loggins said that Danger Zone being in Top GUN paid for all his kids’ college tuition alone.
Love Martyn, his voice is super important and he always tries to stand up for artists. The problem with this is that Heaven 17 don’t need exposure from a video game, they’re an 80s band with a large audience and so the only benefit they can get from this sort of deal is a monetary one - especially when royalties are entirely under threat. I sat down with my uncle when he got his royalties letter in a few years back and it’s dealing in fractions of pennies from Spotify plays, radio plays are still worth so much more. Temptation is a huge song but from what I gather, Martyn is more saying that all of the artists deserve at least royalties considering the obvious billions this game will make. The games would not be what they are without the soundtracks after all.
Not being funny, I’ve beaten plenty games through cloud streaming but I wouldn’t touch this with a barge pole, latency in a twitchy arcade game sounds horrid.
@VenomUK You think that one user joining a gaming site to defend a Star Wars game is part of a larger conspiracy? I mean, let’s be reasonable here, who’s funding this? Why wouldn’t they target a larger site like IGN or Eurogamer? Why would they only create one account for this purpose? Who’s handing out the orders? Occam’s Razor, it’s one person who liked the game, lurks a bit and felt that the game was getting a bad rap and so created an account to defend it.
It’s perfectly ok to have a 7/10, more than enough time to play a wide range of games and honestly I’ve enjoyed some mediocre games more than critical darlings over the years because we all have our own personal taste.
It’ll make money and kids will probably like it but f**k me, it looks rubbish. There’s a lot of great kids movies out there but this does not look like one of them.
Still can’t believe they bought out the Risk of Rain 2 devs and then tanked their game. That alone made me go from 0 respect for Randy to actively wishing him harm.
@DualWielding There’s a 100% chance that every episode of that is some form of paid advert. The choices of game are so obviously coming from a board room.
I’d assume any potential post-launch bonuses that these employees could have been eligible for are now off the table too. Games would not exist without developers.
Yeah, it was clearly the QA department that needs laying off when they’re the only thing standing in the way of a doomed project becoming a doomed bug-ridden mess of a project. Tw*ts.
That’s a shame actually, I played it quite a bit the last couple of months and it plays super well. It just doesn’t give you much incentive to play, there’s virtually 0 way to earn currency without buying it and the rollout of content is too slow.
It’s not ‘the devs’ fault, it’s execs for pushing a tired genre to its brink. If they hired a community manager, I’d assume they’d rather not even attempt to wade into this disaster.
@VeldinX Indiana Jones 2 is terrible but the first does deserve a remaster. I played the whole series through PS Plus streaming for the platinums and it’s only Lord of the Rings missing so I’d love a remaster of that, it would seriously benefit from a frame rate increase and especially draw distance as the world is pretty beautiful for a Lego game.
I’ve played PC for years but I like having dedicated consoles. The more they become like PCs, the less reason to have one. Nintendo absolutely will remain relevant because they see no need to become just another boring box. Sony need to avoid that trap and focus on providing reasons to go for a console rather than a PC.
@KevinDurCant What are you talking about? They were shut because NetEase are seemingly pulling out of Japanese devs completely, Xbox has absolutely nothing to do with this.
@Lavishturtle Fairly certain that France’s labour laws prevent Nacon from sacking the workers within at least the first 12 weeks of industrial action. I’d imagine that shutting the studio and making them redundant would fall under the same realm, if it can be proven in the courts that Nacon weren’t under massive financial pressure to do so. If they can only shut the studio either after taking a massive hit for 12 weeks or after a deal is struck, then I’d like to think that getting round the table will be their priority, especially with Greedfall 2 in active development.
@Digit2021 @Lavishturtle Two examples of opposite opinions that are both harming perceptions of these actors. It’s factually true that acting in video games has not yet reached a point of parity with movies and TV shows due to even modern mocap not capturing the full range of human emotion and subtlety that you’ll see on screen. Any attempt to claim that performances in video games are of a higher quality than what you’d get in a movie or TV show is fairly nonsensical.
At the same time, downplaying the acting as being B grade undersells the work they do put in. The industry is maturing faster and faster every year and voice work specifically is fantastic especially in games like Baldur’s Gate 3, Final Fantasy XVI and Disco Elysium, which all treat their script and cast with the respect they deserve. Pointing to Star Wars Outlaws is egregious considering that trailers have shown performances to be just as talented as 99% of Star Wars acting, while there are games with far more amateurish performances due to a much smaller budget or one of a million other factors.
In reality, performances differ across projects exactly like movies and TV shows but I’d argue that we’ve still yet to see the ceiling of full-body mocap performances in this medium, and that won’t change until actors, and writers, are given the same freedom, support and room for growth that the visual arts have been cultivating for over 100 years.
The issue is that there’s actors pouring their soul into these games and the industry doesn’t treat them with the respect that they deserve. Read a BBC article a week or so ago about the way that mocap actors on games are being pushed into increasingly horrible scenes like rape, except with far, far less protections and professionalism in place that you’d get on a film or TV set. This guy’s a moron but it’s less that we should just say he’s wrong and move on and more that we should see that his attitude is fairly commonplace and that there’s a lot of work to be done.
Nearly half of workers signing the letter makes me somewhat wary to believe a single word that management are saying. It’s a brave thing to stick your neck out, especially in an industry like this, and that’s a lot of people who feel aggrieved enough to do so.
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Pathetic. The base model is perfectly fine, to the point that they’re still persisting with PS4 versions of games. This is so obviously a desperate attempt to suck up to shareholders after Concord.
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@Volestrangler Hahahaha oh god what a typo, I’ll change it immediately
Re: 80s Synthpop Stars Heaven 17 Resist the Temptation of PS5's GTA 6
@Atreus97 A reasonable solution is royalties. Literally just royalties. They’re designed that way for a reason, the more copies sold, the more money goes out to artists. It’s their only way to have any financial security later in life. Streaming is already killing this, now we have chancers like Rockstar conning musicians.
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Re: 80s Synthpop Stars Heaven 17 Resist the Temptation of PS5's GTA 6
@Shalooda I’m shocked that there’s people defending this. Even in the 80s being bought out of potential royalties for basically 5 grand would be utter insanity.
For reference, Kenny Loggins said that Danger Zone being in Top GUN paid for all his kids’ college tuition alone.
Re: 80s Synthpop Stars Heaven 17 Resist the Temptation of PS5's GTA 6
Love Martyn, his voice is super important and he always tries to stand up for artists. The problem with this is that Heaven 17 don’t need exposure from a video game, they’re an 80s band with a large audience and so the only benefit they can get from this sort of deal is a monetary one - especially when royalties are entirely under threat. I sat down with my uncle when he got his royalties letter in a few years back and it’s dealing in fractions of pennies from Spotify plays, radio plays are still worth so much more. Temptation is a huge song but from what I gather, Martyn is more saying that all of the artists deserve at least royalties considering the obvious billions this game will make. The games would not be what they are without the soundtracks after all.
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What a loser. The game’s about sheer joy and he has to throw a hissy fit.
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Not being funny, I’ve beaten plenty games through cloud streaming but I wouldn’t touch this with a barge pole, latency in a twitchy arcade game sounds horrid.
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@VenomUK You think that one user joining a gaming site to defend a Star Wars game is part of a larger conspiracy? I mean, let’s be reasonable here, who’s funding this? Why wouldn’t they target a larger site like IGN or Eurogamer? Why would they only create one account for this purpose? Who’s handing out the orders? Occam’s Razor, it’s one person who liked the game, lurks a bit and felt that the game was getting a bad rap and so created an account to defend it.
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Had to laugh at people saying Ubi bought the IGN review when it got a 7. Yeah, they’re buying mediocre feedback.
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These games were always a bit crap to be fair, incredibly ambitious but never living up to it.
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This is just the premise of a romcom starring Matthew McConaughey or something from 2002.
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If it released 30 years ago then it would be spoken of in reverent tones. An absolute classic already.
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It’s perfectly ok to have a 7/10, more than enough time to play a wide range of games and honestly I’ve enjoyed some mediocre games more than critical darlings over the years because we all have our own personal taste.
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It’ll make money and kids will probably like it but f**k me, it looks rubbish. There’s a lot of great kids movies out there but this does not look like one of them.
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Still can’t believe they bought out the Risk of Rain 2 devs and then tanked their game. That alone made me go from 0 respect for Randy to actively wishing him harm.
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@HotGoomba Think you have your answer already, play Concord.
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@DualWielding There’s a 100% chance that every episode of that is some form of paid advert. The choices of game are so obviously coming from a board room.
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That’s crazy how fast it’s died. Look at how long Avengers lasted!
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Justice for Sebastian Debeste. Eustace Winner is such a rubbish name in comparison.
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I’d assume any potential post-launch bonuses that these employees could have been eligible for are now off the table too. Games would not exist without developers.
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@aj21009 Play it on your phone then, it’s brilliant regardless.
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Yeah, it was clearly the QA department that needs laying off when they’re the only thing standing in the way of a doomed project becoming a doomed bug-ridden mess of a project. Tw*ts.
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@SlipperyFish That’s true, the first 25 levels were super fun. After that… games stopped being enjoyable.
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Pleeeeeeaase at least give us 3. THPS4 might be my favourite in the series alongside THUG but I’d kill for 3 since it’s closer to 1+2.
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Good. Worker solidarity is important to put pressure on the pigs that still hold us down.
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That’s a shame actually, I played it quite a bit the last couple of months and it plays super well. It just doesn’t give you much incentive to play, there’s virtually 0 way to earn currency without buying it and the rollout of content is too slow.
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It’s not ‘the devs’ fault, it’s execs for pushing a tired genre to its brink. If they hired a community manager, I’d assume they’d rather not even attempt to wade into this disaster.
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This is revenge for the Homefront games. Fair enough.
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@VeldinX Indiana Jones 2 is terrible but the first does deserve a remaster. I played the whole series through PS Plus streaming for the platinums and it’s only Lord of the Rings missing so I’d love a remaster of that, it would seriously benefit from a frame rate increase and especially draw distance as the world is pretty beautiful for a Lego game.
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They’re great games but yep, more money headed to a nutjob so no thanks.
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It’s a 10. 100% the easiest 10 possible. It’s a game that feels good at all times. It’s the distillation of sheer fun.
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I’ve played PC for years but I like having dedicated consoles. The more they become like PCs, the less reason to have one. Nintendo absolutely will remain relevant because they see no need to become just another boring box. Sony need to avoid that trap and focus on providing reasons to go for a console rather than a PC.
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Definitely prefer 2. Future Perfect is good but it doesn’t scratch the same itch.
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Nope. Would only get games on sale, which I mostly do anyway.
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That’s crazy, I remember this from like 2010. How is it still going?
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@KevinDurCant What are you talking about? They were shut because NetEase are seemingly pulling out of Japanese devs completely, Xbox has absolutely nothing to do with this.
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Not popping up for me! I played via disc so it just shows the normal price in the UK store.
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I look forward to playing this for pennies/when it’s on PS Plus. Literally all I could have asked for.
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If it’s been corroborated then it’s a totally different story. Might be better to just nuke the comments from before it was confirmed 😂
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@Lavishturtle Fairly certain that France’s labour laws prevent Nacon from sacking the workers within at least the first 12 weeks of industrial action. I’d imagine that shutting the studio and making them redundant would fall under the same realm, if it can be proven in the courts that Nacon weren’t under massive financial pressure to do so. If they can only shut the studio either after taking a massive hit for 12 weeks or after a deal is struck, then I’d like to think that getting round the table will be their priority, especially with Greedfall 2 in active development.
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@Digit2021 @Lavishturtle Two examples of opposite opinions that are both harming perceptions of these actors. It’s factually true that acting in video games has not yet reached a point of parity with movies and TV shows due to even modern mocap not capturing the full range of human emotion and subtlety that you’ll see on screen. Any attempt to claim that performances in video games are of a higher quality than what you’d get in a movie or TV show is fairly nonsensical.
At the same time, downplaying the acting as being B grade undersells the work they do put in. The industry is maturing faster and faster every year and voice work specifically is fantastic especially in games like Baldur’s Gate 3, Final Fantasy XVI and Disco Elysium, which all treat their script and cast with the respect they deserve. Pointing to Star Wars Outlaws is egregious considering that trailers have shown performances to be just as talented as 99% of Star Wars acting, while there are games with far more amateurish performances due to a much smaller budget or one of a million other factors.
In reality, performances differ across projects exactly like movies and TV shows but I’d argue that we’ve still yet to see the ceiling of full-body mocap performances in this medium, and that won’t change until actors, and writers, are given the same freedom, support and room for growth that the visual arts have been cultivating for over 100 years.
Re: Kratos Actor Chris Judge Claps Back at Amazon Exec's Gaming Dig
The issue is that there’s actors pouring their soul into these games and the industry doesn’t treat them with the respect that they deserve. Read a BBC article a week or so ago about the way that mocap actors on games are being pushed into increasingly horrible scenes like rape, except with far, far less protections and professionalism in place that you’d get on a film or TV set. This guy’s a moron but it’s less that we should just say he’s wrong and move on and more that we should see that his attitude is fairly commonplace and that there’s a lot of work to be done.
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Nearly half of workers signing the letter makes me somewhat wary to believe a single word that management are saying. It’s a brave thing to stick your neck out, especially in an industry like this, and that’s a lot of people who feel aggrieved enough to do so.
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Surely refunds are due at this point. Shocking to pay for early access anyway (you’re a mug) but you’d at least want it to work.
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Lego Harry Potter was great as a kid. Of course that came out before JK Rowling decided to become the Mold Queen.
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Really happy about MLB, haven’t played a game in the series since 2020.