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Trophies are pretty much the only way to get me to play the older stuff now unfortunately (most of it anyway). So we shall see. But will happily pay for a month to play through Miles Morales and anything else I can squeeze in to one month. Shame everyone here hates subscription services right?

now everyones excited about playing older games…

@Jacko11 found the scalper.

Can’t wait for this game to come to Xbox. And for Crossfire X to go to Playstation.

It’s one of the biggest purchase regrets buying the Vita. The screen is awesome and the console looks beautiful (I got the Japanese blue one in 2019); but there really isn’t much to play at all. Even Trails of Cold Steel i’m struggling to get into.

Compare this to the top 3DS games… jeez.

@Gh05tm4ch1n3 NIS very rarely release on Xbox unfortunately; though I can see that changing in the future if Gamepass keeps trending upwards. For now though it’s just PS and Switch.

Should just sell it as one item 🤷‍♂️

Of course if Sony had produced more units it would have sold more…

… however! I do think the supply constraints have actually given the console even more publicity and maybe even increased demand past what it would have been. People read that it’s the “must have” item and it’s rare to find etc. That sort of thing gets people going!

@Enuo yup - Sony with the Final Fantasy exclusivity.

Good old Playstation eh

Obviously a lot of people here will be hating on this. But look on the bright side (from a PS standpoint); this acquisition is huge so it stops Microsoft buying Sega/Square/Ubisoft etc.

@RadioHedgeFund not sure how you can say Xbox’s exclusives were more of the same without including Ratchet as more of the same for PS. Returnal might be a different story but… do you know how many Ratchet and Clank games there are? Lol. It’s prettier; but it’s more of the same.

And then again, you are saying Sony’s first party library is more broad than Microsoft’s? Despite the quality, a lot of people rag on Sony for the fact most of their exclusives are third-person cinematic games. But on Xbox you have Flight Sim, Gears Tactics (plus Age of Empires on PC), Sea of Thieves and then sure, Forza and Halo. They could do with a JRPG in there somewhere but I would say that is pretty broad.

Incredible game and my single player GOTY, with only It Takes Two beating it. I do need to finish Halo Infinite though.

@Jaberwocky crazy but same thing happened to me yesterday. Argos had so much stock and I downloaded the app and even got to the Paypal stage… but realised I don’t need it.

I have a Series X for the record. And I would like to play Ratchet and Returnal… but no rush. Maybe with a slim version and a price cut a few years down the line.

71 people “retired” Twelve Minutes on HLTB. Those are the numbers we are dealing with here.

Very happy as It Takes Two definitely deserved it. Extremely creative game and really fun gameplay.

If i’m honest they would get me with War of the Lions and Crisis Core with trophies (and maybe Dynasty Warriors 2 and 3). Otherwise not sure how interested I would be!

I actually subbed for another year because I thought it would be good to get Godfall on my plus membership. That is rubbish.

Anything even relatively close to Bullfrog’s Theme Hospital and Dungeon Keeper are instantly worth checking out for me.

@everynowandben I didn’t play the original, and I still thought Psychonauts 2 was incredible. I do think there were a couple of confusing story beats to start that would have been explained by the first, or at least I would have been more familiar with character names, but it still worked as a complete game by itself. I know you weren’t asking me but just wanted to weigh in.

Yea I mean these awards are obviously stupid. Not worth using anything from here to bash Xbox or vice versa. I was amused that both consoles “game of the year” was a multiplat. The fact that someone still managed to turn that into laughing at Xbox just… par for the course these days 🤦‍♂️

Besides, Psychonauts 2 was actually my (single player) game of the year. With It Takes Two probably being my overall number 1.

Sounds like a lot of people here haven’t played It Takes Two.

That game was so creative and fun the whole way through it 100% deserves to win. Otherwise Psychonauts 2. Those two games are my Multiplayer and Single Player games of the year respectively.

The fact that Ratchet got so many votes here is a bit cringe!

@Stocksy yea i’m sorry but this was fixed because of the social media “scandal”. I mean sure maybe Sony would have fixed it anyway but they didn’t for the entire PS4 generation; only now that it became public.

I remember going to buy the Gears 3 Xbox 360 bundle at midnight and Gamestation slipped a downloadable code for Crysis 2 in everyones bag - was a nice suprise! But then it barely got played of course.

@uptownsoul who knows? The UK loves Playstation I guess!

@uptownsoul Okay but when I said it was 43% to 31% you said I was “wrong” because I wasn’t including PS4 at 15% - okay fair enough; but now I’m comparing PS as a whole to Xbox as a whole you’ve again told me i’m wrong and that actually we are just talking about PS5. I keep being “wrong” because you keep changing what you’re talking about.

Anyway I get it; PS is outselling Xbox. Very good for Playstation but let’s hope we don’t get too much of a landslide as that will not be a good thing. Thanks for the discussion 👍

@uptownsoul it’s not a disaster. Everyone knows Xbox has a smaller market share than Playstation. The fact that 31% (we are talking about one game here, but still) are on Xbox is actually alright! I’m actually quite impressed you can be dramatic all you want but I can imagine Capcom is glad it released on Xbox too.

@uptownsoul my bad yea so it’s 58% to 31%. Any Dev would be happy to have that 31% from Xbox - it’s not quite the disaster all these articles make it out to be.

@uptownsoul interestingly that says for Resident Evil Physical and Digital combined; 43% were Playstation and 31% were Xbox. And the Push Square article that just focused on Physical said 80% was Playstation. Now one is for a week and one is for a month but that basically sums it up. Playstation has the better sales but if you look at digital as well as physical; the difference isn’t anywhere near as big.

I mean I remember a lot of whinging on this site when Psychonauts was only digital and saw a lot of comments about how it was too high a price to pay for digital. The reason i’m saying that is because on the Xbox side, buying a full price digital copy of a game is just what you do. I just think these figures are (fairly*) pointless when they don’t show the whole picture. I’m sure if it was just digital sales in the charts, that would be a bit useless too.

*I say fairly pointless as it doesn’t show you sales as a whole - but definitely does show an interesting statistic regardless. Xbox’s physical showing is pretty bad. And I don’t like the boxart as much. To be fair I didn’t like PS4 boxart design either but PS5 looks goood with the white.

Guess I shouldn’t have clicked on this article so my fault I guess. Not sure if I was going to play it anyway, but cool - nice to be spoilt!

@Nintendo4Sonic ah gotcha. Thanks!

So this doesn’t include LIS 2? I was going to play this to get the whole series but that’s a bit rubbish if the second one is missing.

@Kang81 yesss Crackdown had awesome achievements. Like Pin 5 enemies to the same vehicle with the spear gun. <3

Kena won’t even be in these charts for a couple of months yet as it doesn’t include digital. Since digital is such a huge chunk of sales these days; these charts don’t tell us much unfortunately.

This is actually crazy - but it is only Physical right?

One weak area for Xbox is their physical releases (as we all know) so I am fully digital with Xbox and I assume lots of others are. I bought this digitally on Series X yesterday and loved the hour or so I played so far. Really wanted to support it early on but I fear I am one of very few who will. Good for Playstation; bad for Xbox unless the digital figures are much different.

I feel like this article title needs to clarify that this is physical only.

@Shepherd_Tallon I get what you’re saying. But the problem isn’t with those that aren’t concerned by things and therefore don’t comment.

The problem is with the comments actively defending these practices. The more they do it, the more others have to complain to be the louder voice. If Sony is seeing comments/tweets/general buzz and it’s all in their defence; why should they bother changing?

I’m glad I made comments regarding my stance on Sony’s original decision. And this is why. Stop giving Sony consent to stick it in you when it hurts. Not going to name names but jeez some people love defending Sony.

@SJBUK another way of making a difference is to comment about it. If there is enough outcry they might actually listen; but it sounds like you would rather I didn’t post my comment criticising them. That makes no sense.

When Xbox announced the XBL Gold price rise; the outcry got them to reverse it. It was a BS move and they were called out on it. If the Sony fanboys stopped blindly following Sony, it would actually do them some good.

It can be hard to have a balanced discussion; since everyone has their biases. But I try to be as objective as I can. You don’t need to tell me i’m wasting my time; I can decide that for myself.

@SJBUK I do prefer their system. But I love video games and Playstation has some incredible experiences. But the cost and experience of playing them could be so much better. As someone who loves the video game industry - It’s actually a massive shame to me.

Anyway I just wanted to leave my comment on this thread just like the other 300 people have. I’m allowed to do so.

@Fenbops Unfortunately they are just shooting themselves in the foot in the long run. The only thing keeping Sony in check at the moment… is Microsoft.

Edit: and actually people in the industry like @get2sammyb who are speaking up against it.

Defending Sony over this is ridiculous; but to be expected from a certain bunch! All the other anti-consumer moves Sony has pulled have also been defended and that is why they know they can get away with things like this.

Also downplaying Smart Delivery is just a desperate attempt to knock the competition. Smart Delivery is extremely good (though it should be standard at this point). I can load up a game on my Series X, then go upstairs and continue on my One X (though in lesser quality, but as best optimised for that console as it can be). Also with many (but not all, I don’t think) you get the PC version included too. And it’s all part of the same ecosystem and basically like it’s one game, but plays as best as it can on each. And your save game comes with you. That is so good.

The fact that anyone without a Series X yet can buy games on their Xbox One and know they will get the Series X version waiting for them when they finally get a console; and with their save game ready for them to continue - is a huge peace of mind for the consumer.

But sure let’s defend having to buy multiple versions, no ease of backwards movement, and awkward save transfers. And look forward to what Sony pulls next 👌.

@Salt_AU You are saying you are against Microsoft’s stance. I am saying Sony has the exact same stance.

You are saying you won’t support Microsoft so why support Sony? (I think I know the answer).

@Salt_AU you mean like Avengers? (Which is worse because it’s to do with actual content).

Or in fact ANY multi-platform game in history that doesn’t have pixel parity between systems.

I never played the first but playing this on Series X and i’m around 9 hours in and I am loving it. The cast of characters is so good. Probably my GOTY so far also (maybe alongside It Takes Two).

Gotta be Billy Hatcher!

I just left this article but had to come back to say I immediately found myself whistling one of the tracks from this game without meaning to. Funny how that subliminally happens.

The great thing, for me, about Gamepass is being able to download games and not just stream them. So that would have to be a thing on Netflix for it to work for a lot if people. Not everyone of course as some are happy to stream; but for a lot…

@trev666 yea it’s all just BS.

I’ve recently been trying to retroactively fill in my HowLongToBeat profile with games i’ve completed over the years; and obviously it’s hard to remember them all (unless they have achievement/trophy timestamps ) but getting to the PS2; a lot of what I remember is the Dynasty Warriors (2-5) series. Not exactly the best games but they were great to me. Also things like LOTR Two Towers and Return of the King. So yea not exactly critical darlings but some of the most fun I had on the system and therefore what I remember first off the top of my head (and yea okay Vice City too…).

@JJ2 I mean with a topic like this of course you will talk about Gamepass. It’s the competition and the logical reason why there is such a gap in physical sales between platforms.

Xbox has been the worst with physical releases for a good while now; but digitally they seem a lot better equipped and I have a huge digital collection with them going back to 2006 (a lot of which I can still play on my Series X). I just see physical (on PS and Xbox) as a bit of a waste and I very rarely do it anymore. Last physical I bought between those 2 was Kingdom Hearts 3 on Xbox and… I should have just got it digital.

For some reason I do get physical on switch but I think that’s just that I like cartridges. They’re probably not much better than the CD Keys that are on the disks.

Also yea we are at a point in the Industry now where just giving Physical sales and ignoring Digital is just one half of the story. Crazy how fast it has shifted but with the internet and all these patches etc, physical is kind of getting left behind.