naruball

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the success of a product relies heavily on how it's being perceived. I bought a ps portal after having no intention to (I'm having blast, btw). I'm considering a PS5pro mainly for VR games. We're influenced by others more than most of us care to admit.

They get what they deserve.

Astro Bot, on the other hand deserved all the love, but alas.

@JustMyOpinion you may wanna let others judge whether your point stands or not (I've made that mistake myself). It's like saying "according to me, I'm right". Well, of course you'd think so.

The reason your point doesn't stand is that it still does not address the primary purpose of virtue signaling. "Victoria's Secret's" CEO refused to be inclusive and their sales tanked. Their CEO was fired and then they started hiring people from all sizes, among other things. They changed their image and the virtue signaling worked.

But what do video game companies have to gain from virtue signalling?

It's actually very interesting what's happening.

Remember when Infamous 1+2 came out? Remember when Second Son came out and then First Light?

How many people complained about wokeness or DEI for switching from male characters to a female? How many complained that the female character was forced upon them?

@Chupa_loyzer and people can express their opinion on the expressed opinion, even if the person who can expressed it doesn't like it and doesn't see the irony.

@LifeGirl again. You bring up one example and think you can generalize based on it. And the premise is false.

1. We don't know if it cost that much.
2. No matter how much it cost, you're saying it failed solely because of "virtue signaling" ignoring all the other factors, including the fact that so many other gaas games have failed without anything "woke" about them. It's called confirmation bias.

Lastly, you accuse developers of virtue signaling without taking into consideration that several of them could be doing it as expression of themselves and not for others.

@Chupa_loyzer who are these superiors?

@Chupa_loyzer couldn't be further from the point I'm making. You may wanna read the point I was replying to.

@LifeGirl we're talking about businesses. That means nothing if their product fails.

@Chupa_loyzer yes, what do you with these scores? Do you get extra funding from the "DEI fund"?

@LifeGirl Barbie. Anti-woke kept insisting it will flop for being woke and it became the biggest movie of 2023. It wasn't for them, but it was clearly for others.

@JustMyOpinion "This trend feels less about genuine diversity or storytelling and more about scoring points or catering to specific trends!"

I genuinely do wonder whether people really believe that others do ot for the points. Like where do you exchange those points for anything?

@UltimateOtaku91 he doesn't have an issue with that because women help bring to life a game about a white male.

Female characters are allowed to exist if:
1. They're there to help the male protagonist
2. They're the protagonist but they're eye candy with many revealing outfits.

Everything else makes him feel emasculated and needs to be attacked by like minded people to make him feel good about himself.

@LifeGirl whereas plenty of others discovered that wasn't the case.

@Chupa_loyzer how ironic. His argument was never "if you're not a game developer, you can't judge a game". You can judge all you want, but if you don't like it, you can simply not buy it or buy something else. And if you can't find something else you like, then your only option is to make it yourself.

@jrt87 if this poll is any indication, it doesn't appear to be the case.

@BacklogBrad exactly. Even if you copy something, it doesn't mean it will be successful. We've seen that happen plenty of times.

@thefourfoldroot1 yeah, I get it. Still, games like Astro bot were amazing on PSVR1, so here's hoping we get some more colourful games at some point.

@thefourfoldroot1 I feel the same way. I literally made the same comment today while going through all PSVR2 games. Why are most games so dark?

@Yagami I was under the impression that they usually sue people/companies, etc right away. Faster than anyone.

Let's just say that Nintendo has a case. Why now?

@nessisonett what's surprising is how soon it's coming out and that the story is quite different with a new protagonist. The last part usually doesn't happen with sequels.

@PuppetMaster first thing that came to mind when I saw the trailer was Blue eye samurai. And it's been hugely successful.

@NEStalgia Ι strongly disagree. It is simply ridiculous to put those two together. You can provide other examples that fit your argument better. Because the argument itself is a decent one. The examples are not.

@CielloArc good point. It's now become clear that that was never the real reason. Just an excuse.

@GADG3Tx87 it's a bit like putting tape on your laptop camera, because you don't want anyone to secretly record you, but you have a phone with a front camera that can be hacked...

@Shepherd_Tallon exactly. I don't entirely agree/disagree with either side (I consider it a small issue, but I realize that it's a pretty big deal to others).

At the very least most of us could agree that Sony could have communicated this better? They could explain why a psn log in is important and, if people still don't want to do it, they can skip the game.

Wonderful news! Looking forward to playing it one day.

@sammybarkersdad thanks for further proving my point. You didn't have to, yet here we are

@Shepherd_Tallon haha. It's all good. There are happily some exceptions of people who can understand nuance who make it all worth it. I especially appreciate it when people raise -in a civilized manner- points that I never considered before. I've found myself several times changing my mind or seeing some validity in what they're saying.

@sammybarkersdad
"Deal with it and move on. And if you can't, you need help"

I love the irony of this.

@Yagami Pro tip: you may want to keep an open mind and read some comments before declaring that you're right. I did and saw something that didn't cross my mind before:

"improving the game. Crash reports and bugs are consolidated in ONE place, along with system specs, to help improve the game for everyone. It streamlines the process." (@themightyant)

@Kienda both lists are excellent and they highlight one of the main problems online.

@Kienda "There is a lot of vitriol about this. Not much middle ground as usual for internet discussions. People either hate PC gamers or hate Sony."

I'd argue it's the exact opposite. Most people fall somewhere in the middle, but are seen as extreme by others, when they have a different opinion.

Case in point, a user calling Sony Ponies people who don't consider this a big deal. It's inconceivable to them that they're not actually defending Sony to death, but simply feel this way about it in general (be it Sony, Ubisoft, or a small company/developer).

Personally, I've been accused countless times of being a Sony fanboy, when in fact I've criticized Sony repeatedly over various issues, including the lack of first party PSVR2 games, their treatment of psvita over the years, increasing the price of the base model of ps5, not making AA games like they used and focusing on maximizing profits, etc. But sometimes, I don't agree with something that Sony is being accused of and it's perceived as "defending Sony no matter what".

I've seen many people here call others "corporate shills" for expressing an opinion different than theirs. It's hilarious, especially when you see that the same people who defend Sony for one thing, attack Sony for another. But the people who make accusations about them don't take those negative comments into account. They've already made up their minds and throw around insults.

@NEStalgia I hope you realize how silly it sounds to put serious issues like "La Bastille, Boston Massacre, Lenin" in the same sentence as needing to make a Sony account to play a game on PC.

@tehKAMI when I say, selective, I'm not only referring to Sony, but also to companies like EA and Ubisoft.

The argument remains: how many accounts do people, who complain about these companies, have? How do they not have an issue with Steam, Twitter, Instagram, but have with Sony, EA, and EA?

At the end of the day, if they consider it that much of a dealbreaker, they can always opt not to buy/play it, though considering how rampant piracy is, it wouldn't surprise me if they justify doing that instead.

@Carck of course. They have the right to protest anything, no matter how trivial or silly it may sound to other people. And people have every right to express how silly they think this protest is.

@ShadowofSparta the problem is the selective outrage. Do you really believe that these people don't have any accounts anywhere? Including Steam? Yet now they have an issue with it.

And if they don't want to give their real name/address, etc, they don't have to. They can insert any info they want.

@LuXifer if only... Plenty of games with all those elements fail to sell well and make a profit.

@Zeldorf it's not. Give it an average score is fair. Giving it 1/10 to reduce the average is not.

@CrashBandicoat average is not 1/10.

@zebric21 not a single one?

@MrMagic exactly. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

@truerbluer "My point is this PC initiative hasn't convinced anyone that was on the fence to get a PS5."

Again, we don't know that.

@Flaming_Kaiser cheers. Makes perfect sense.

@Yousef- thanks for that. I wasn't sure. So, in other words, no one is stopping them from making a psn account and playing the game.

@MrMagic the fact that it's been pirated to death already certainly doesn't help either.

@truerbluer "If the goal of these PC ports was to try and convert PC players into PS5 owners it's conclusively proven to be a failure"

Has it, though? Did 100% of the people who bought it leave a negative review?

@Steel76 did the PS "crybabies" review bomb the PC versions of ps games?