@naruball All we can do is look at correlations which obviously isn’t proof of causation. Microsoft reports a correlation between people joining game pass and spending more money buying games digitally through Xbox. Appearing on PlayStation plus has no affect on the secondhand prices of PS4 games. Being given away on the epic game store has no affect on the chart position of GTA.
I’ve heard a lot of people say they gut feeling is that subscription services should be bad the game sales. But I yet to see anyone provide any evidence that that is the case.
If you’re creating a map with both Norway and England then most of it is going to be the North Sea. It is very large and very empty. I suspect the land area will be smaller than Odyssey but the sea area will be bigger.
We can finally answer the question as to whether or not being given away for free by the likes of the epic game store or being part of a subscription service like PlayStation now or Xbox game pass affect a game sales? It doesn’t. GTA5 prove that you can still reach the top of the chart after all those things have happened.
@JJ2 The impressive thing about this demo is the asset detail which is allowed by the speed of the SSD. The Xbox’s SSD is about half the speed and therefore the triangles are likely to be larger. That means that it will be less taxing on the GPU of the Xbox combined with the more powerful GPU is likely to lead to a higher rendering resolution for the game world. A high resolution with the triangle spread across around four pixels is something I would consider less impressive. But I can certainly see how it can be spun as a high resolution and therefore a better result.
@Dominatso I suggest you rewatch the developer conference talk. It was explicitly stated that if you put a fast enough m.2 ssd into the expansion slot you would be able to run PS5 games off it. The expectation is that you would need one that runs at or near 7 Gb/s. We can be fairly certain that they will be available at a speed and in a form factor that fits into the PS5 bay by the end of next year.
@DominatorV93 I don’t think the change in generations is going to have any impact on what Sony and Microsoft view as a minimum acceptable frame rate for games on their platforms.
The trade-off might not be worth it but you’ve got to admit that the tecnical demo had a wow factor that the announcement that dirt would have a 120 frames per second mode in the Microsoft presentation didn’t.
@DominatorV93 I think performance is going to depend on the game. Take something simple like horizon turbo chase and hitting 4K 120fps shouldn’t be a problem. Add in enemy AI, vegetation and ray traced reflections to Lumen in the Land of Nanite and you’re probably all the way back down to 720p 30 frames per second. I also hope that when the is a trade-off between resolution and frame rate they choose frame rate. It’s perfectly possible that they will choose to use the power in different ways that cripples both.
@Rob_230 You get the option to restart from the beginning of the fight and drop the difficulty every time you die. The difficulty will then go back up again after you’ve completed that fight. No need to get hung up on trying to overcome difficulties spikes. Just keep dropping the difficulty and retrying till you win.
I started gaming on Nintendo is old cartridge based consoles so I really noticed the difference when I moved to PlayStation and continue to do so both on PS4 and switch. I’ve done the best I can to mitigate it with an SSD replacing the hard drive in the PS4 pro and the highest class of available SD cards in the switch but it still slow.
Games like Okami will always be 30 frames per second whether on the PS2 or PS5 because of the way a lots the game systems are linked to the frame rate. I wonder whether assassins Creed Valhalla has made similar choices preventing it from being scalable.
It’s interesting that out of the 11 games you listed as having a good chance of having a sequel on the PS5. 9 when new IP is this generation and two were reboots. None with sequels the PS3 games. I would expect the creativity of Sony’s teams in producing new IP is to stay the same next generation and once again those are likely to be amongst the best games on the system.
@PapaGlitch Indeed. Microsoft keeps telling people that it’s subscribers actually spend more buying on video games not less. I expect a lot of people end up buying games when they leave the service partway through their play through.
@Mince @Hengist PS5’s SSD is more than twice as fast as that of the Xbox series X. If we speculating about cost it’s likely to be the only component for PS5 but significantly more expensive than the Xbox Series X’s equivalent. On the flipside the Series X has more computer units has in its GPU so that is likely to be more expensive to produce them the one in the PlayStation five. I’m not expecting the build cost to be significantly different enough for the recommended retail price is to be different. The economics of subsidising the initial purchase likely to be the same for both companies.
@Jaz007 Tales of Vesperia only got an Xbox 360 release in the west last gen so it’s not impossible for Microsoft to buy exclusives on this type of game. Would be very expensive though as most of the market would have one of the Japanese consoles not the Xbox.
Scarlet Nexus was the only game in that show that was of interest to me. Hopefully it comes to PlayStation as I’d rather avoid getting a second next gen console for a single game.
I can certainly see the attraction of game pass. Games I buy fairly frequently appear on it day one. But when you factor in the cost of getting a new console the value for money become slightly muddy.
@carlos82 I guess whether or not it will hold it back depends on the answer to the question why old the graphics cards can’t play the latest games.
If it’s because more modern graphics cards have new features that are used in the way the world is drawn. In that case Series S GPU would be able to run a game the One X couldn’t.
Whereas if the structure of the world is compute intensive in the way that independent from resolution that could pose a problem for less powerful version.
I don’t know enough about the bottlenecks in computer graphics to know which is the case.
@carlos82 Of course it blows current gen system is out of the water. The Dreamcast blew the PS1 out of the water. The Wii U blew the PS3 out of water. Under powered consoles at lower price points have historically failed in the same way as overpriced overpowered consoles tend to.
The GPU is what draws the world and is sometimes a limiting factor that prevents the developers from realising their vision. Although given the size of the step up of even the weakest next box’s GPU it’s difficult to predict what problems that bottleneck will cause. Just as it is difficult to predict what problems the lower speed SSD will cause in the next generation.
It will certainly play modern games better than anything currently on the market but what we are interested in is the next gen games has been built for the ground up for the new consoles.
@carlos82 Sometimes the inability to render a graphical effect can be game breaking. My computer GPU wasn’t powerful enough to render the flashlight affect on half life 2. Which meant I was unable to get through the dark areas on episode two. If the game needs to run on a 4 Tflop GPU then it won’t just scaleback the resolution it will also mean that some affects can’t be used which will limit the game design.
The exciting thing about Series X is it’s GPU. If they force all games to also support the Series S then they won’t be able to design games to specifically take advantage of that power. I’m not interested in a budget console that’s inferior to the PlayStation five in every way whatever the value proposition is. If it holds back the Series X then it will make me less interested in that as well.
It will have a place when Microsoft abandoned the Xbox One but until then I can’t see why people would buy it rather than the One S if all they are interested in is playing Microsoft games on the cheap.
I suspect for pro evolution soccer getting pulled from PlayStation plus had more to do with agreements Sony had made to market another football game rather than the public pressure.
It’s weird because if you go to an online shop there are lots of games to pre-order physically. Whilst I don’t pre-order digitally it’s nice to be able to check the PSN price before a game comes out.
They’re not bad games. But they both belong to the same niche. They are also both on PlayStation now. So automatic dislike from any PlayStation now subscribers.
Neither are bad games and I’ll probably try both. They do seem to have developed a habit of providing two similar games which leads to people either liking both or not liking both.
@Paranoimia If you want to have access to a large library on PS5. You’re going to have to buy one for Sony approved a NVMe SSD and install it internally.
It’s not quite as clear cut as bigger market equals more sales. The are already 4000 PS4 games. So some of the new releases for that format are likely to get lost in the noise. Where is those early adopters are more likely to notice a NextGen only release.
@Nickolaidas In the absence of lockdowns and the other preventative measures we would be at well over 1 million deaths globally by the end of this year with coronavirus.
@Mega-Gazz Won’t happen immediately. I would be surprised if you can play many new AAA games on the PC in 3 1/2 years time if you don’t have an NVMe SSD at least as fast as the one in the Xbox series X.
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Re: UK Sales Charts: Grand Theft Auto V Still the Bestselling PS4 Game in a Stagnant Top 10
@naruball All we can do is look at correlations which obviously isn’t proof of causation. Microsoft reports a correlation between people joining game pass and spending more money buying games digitally through Xbox. Appearing on PlayStation plus has no affect on the secondhand prices of PS4 games. Being given away on the epic game store has no affect on the chart position of GTA.
I’ve heard a lot of people say they gut feeling is that subscription services should be bad the game sales. But I yet to see anyone provide any evidence that that is the case.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla Map Size Is a Bit Larger Than Odyssey's, Says Ubisoft Dev
If you’re creating a map with both Norway and England then most of it is going to be the North Sea. It is very large and very empty. I suspect the land area will be smaller than Odyssey but the sea area will be bigger.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Grand Theft Auto V Still the Bestselling PS4 Game in a Stagnant Top 10
We can finally answer the question as to whether or not being given away for free by the likes of the epic game store or being part of a subscription service like PlayStation now or Xbox game pass affect a game sales? It doesn’t. GTA5 prove that you can still reach the top of the chart after all those things have happened.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 324
Pokémon Shield.
Re: PS5 Unreal Engine 5 Gameplay Demo Finally Shows Us What Next-Gen Games Look Like
@JJ2 The impressive thing about this demo is the asset detail which is allowed by the speed of the SSD. The Xbox’s SSD is about half the speed and therefore the triangles are likely to be larger. That means that it will be less taxing on the GPU of the Xbox combined with the more powerful GPU is likely to lead to a higher rendering resolution for the game world. A high resolution with the triangle spread across around four pixels is something I would consider less impressive. But I can certainly see how it can be spun as a high resolution and therefore a better result.
Re: PS5 Unreal Engine 5 Gameplay Demo Finally Shows Us What Next-Gen Games Look Like
@Dominatso I suggest you rewatch the developer conference talk. It was explicitly stated that if you put a fast enough m.2 ssd into the expansion slot you would be able to run PS5 games off it. The expectation is that you would need one that runs at or near 7 Gb/s. We can be fairly certain that they will be available at a speed and in a form factor that fits into the PS5 bay by the end of next year.
Re: PS5 Unreal Engine 5 Gameplay Demo Finally Shows Us What Next-Gen Games Look Like
@DominatorV93 I don’t think the change in generations is going to have any impact on what Sony and Microsoft view as a minimum acceptable frame rate for games on their platforms.
The trade-off might not be worth it but you’ve got to admit that the tecnical demo had a wow factor that the announcement that dirt would have a 120 frames per second mode in the Microsoft presentation didn’t.
Re: PS5 Unreal Engine 5 Gameplay Demo Finally Shows Us What Next-Gen Games Look Like
@DominatorV93 I think performance is going to depend on the game. Take something simple like horizon turbo chase and hitting 4K 120fps shouldn’t be a problem. Add in enemy AI, vegetation and ray traced reflections to Lumen in the Land of Nanite and you’re probably all the way back down to 720p 30 frames per second. I also hope that when the is a trade-off between resolution and frame rate they choose frame rate. It’s perfectly possible that they will choose to use the power in different ways that cripples both.
Re: PS5 Unreal Engine 5 Gameplay Demo Finally Shows Us What Next-Gen Games Look Like
@DominatorV93 As @BAMozzy says this is 1440p using Temporal Upscaling to 4k and 30fps. Given the results I would say they had valid artistic reasons.
Re: PS5 Unreal Engine 5 Gameplay Demo Finally Shows Us What Next-Gen Games Look Like
That definitely looks like a step up from the current generation.
Re: Trails of Cold Steel IV Stirs Some Emotion with New Story Trailer
@Rob_230 You get the option to restart from the beginning of the fight and drop the difficulty every time you die. The difficulty will then go back up again after you’ve completed that fight. No need to get hung up on trying to overcome difficulties spikes. Just keep dropping the difficulty and retrying till you win.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla's Hidden Blade Brings Back Instant Stealth Kills
Are we returning to a skill-based game rather than a levelling-based RPG? Might be time to return to Assassins Creed.
Re: Trails of Cold Steel IV Stirs Some Emotion with New Story Trailer
Looking forward to it.
Re: Poll: Are You Noticing PS4 Loading Times More Since PS5's Reveal?
I started gaming on Nintendo is old cartridge based consoles so I really noticed the difference when I moved to PlayStation and continue to do so both on PS4 and switch. I’ve done the best I can to mitigate it with an SSD replacing the hard drive in the PS4 pro and the highest class of available SD cards in the switch but it still slow.
Re: Don't Expect Assassin's Creed Valhalla to Run at 60 Frames-Per-Second on PS5
Games like Okami will always be 30 frames per second whether on the PS2 or PS5 because of the way a lots the game systems are linked to the frame rate. I wonder whether assassins Creed Valhalla has made similar choices preventing it from being scalable.
Re: Soapbox: PS5 Will Be Sold on the Strength of Its Sequels
It’s interesting that out of the 11 games you listed as having a good chance of having a sequel on the PS5. 9 when new IP is this generation and two were reboots. None with sequels the PS3 games. I would expect the creativity of Sony’s teams in producing new IP is to stay the same next generation and once again those are likely to be amongst the best games on the system.
Re: Geoff Keighley Hypes Up Incoming Next-Gen Game Reveals Following Xbox Criticism
@mikeym I know the PlayStation four has years of stability update to nail it down. hopefully the PS5 will be on a solider bedrock and won’t need them.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Final Fantasy VII Remake Leaves the Top 10 as GTA V Gains Ground
@PapaGlitch Indeed. Microsoft keeps telling people that it’s subscribers actually spend more buying on video games not less. I expect a lot of people end up buying games when they leave the service partway through their play through.
Re: Call of the Sea Publisher Raw Fury Has 'No Further Information' on PS5 Release
It isn’t a NextGen exclusive so if it was coming to PlayStation they could confirm PlayStation four. It certainly looks like it could run on a switch.
Re: PS5's Price Could Be Undercut by Xbox Series X, Analysts Suggest
@Mince @Hengist PS5’s SSD is more than twice as fast as that of the Xbox series X. If we speculating about cost it’s likely to be the only component for PS5 but significantly more expensive than the Xbox Series X’s equivalent. On the flipside the Series X has more computer units has in its GPU so that is likely to be more expensive to produce them the one in the PlayStation five. I’m not expecting the build cost to be significantly different enough for the recommended retail price is to be different. The economics of subsidising the initial purchase likely to be the same for both companies.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 323
I’m playing death stranding now I completed Final Fantasy 7 remake. It’s nowhere near as good so I’ll probably switch to something else.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 323
@wiiware I never followed why someone you force from his home to keep your identity a secret considers you his bro next time you meet him.
Re: PlayStation Store Sales Charts: Final Fantasy VII Remake Comes Top in the US
@DonJorginho Don’t worry politics can’t move a country or change the ethnicity of its people.
Re: Scarlet Nexus Confirmed for PS5, PS4
Glad to see we’re getting a PlayStation release.
@Jaz007 Tales of Vesperia only got an Xbox 360 release in the west last gen so it’s not impossible for Microsoft to buy exclusives on this type of game. Would be very expensive though as most of the market would have one of the Japanese consoles not the Xbox.
Re: The Medium, Scorn to Skip PS5 for Now
Scarlet Nexus was the only game in that show that was of interest to me. Hopefully it comes to PlayStation as I’d rather avoid getting a second next gen console for a single game.
I can certainly see the attraction of game pass. Games I buy fairly frequently appear on it day one. But when you factor in the cost of getting a new console the value for money become slightly muddy.
Re: Reaction: Sony Needs to Show Us a True, Next-Gen PS5 Exclusive After Lukewarm Inside Xbox
@Glennh73 Thanks. I found that to now. Seems like it is indeed cross gen and only confirmed for the Xbox so far.
Re: Reaction: Sony Needs to Show Us a True, Next-Gen PS5 Exclusive After Lukewarm Inside Xbox
Scarlet Nexus looked fun. I assume it’s also coming to PS5 and possibly PS4.
Re: You Can Customise Your Genitals in Cyberpunk 2077
@Octane A wise man act appropriately when his girlfriend is watching.
Re: Talking Point: Could PS5's Price Be a Problem Against Xbox's Rumoured Lockhart?
@carlos82 I guess whether or not it will hold it back depends on the answer to the question why old the graphics cards can’t play the latest games.
If it’s because more modern graphics cards have new features that are used in the way the world is drawn. In that case Series S GPU would be able to run a game the One X couldn’t.
Whereas if the structure of the world is compute intensive in the way that independent from resolution that could pose a problem for less powerful version.
I don’t know enough about the bottlenecks in computer graphics to know which is the case.
Re: Talking Point: Could PS5's Price Be a Problem Against Xbox's Rumoured Lockhart?
@carlos82 Of course it blows current gen system is out of the water. The Dreamcast blew the PS1 out of the water. The Wii U blew the PS3 out of water. Under powered consoles at lower price points have historically failed in the same way as overpriced overpowered consoles tend to.
The GPU is what draws the world and is sometimes a limiting factor that prevents the developers from realising their vision. Although given the size of the step up of even the weakest next box’s GPU it’s difficult to predict what problems that bottleneck will cause. Just as it is difficult to predict what problems the lower speed SSD will cause in the next generation.
It will certainly play modern games better than anything currently on the market but what we are interested in is the next gen games has been built for the ground up for the new consoles.
Re: Talking Point: Could PS5's Price Be a Problem Against Xbox's Rumoured Lockhart?
@carlos82 Sometimes the inability to render a graphical effect can be game breaking. My computer GPU wasn’t powerful enough to render the flashlight affect on half life 2. Which meant I was unable to get through the dark areas on episode two. If the game needs to run on a 4 Tflop GPU then it won’t just scaleback the resolution it will also mean that some affects can’t be used which will limit the game design.
Re: Talking Point: Could PS5's Price Be a Problem Against Xbox's Rumoured Lockhart?
The exciting thing about Series X is it’s GPU. If they force all games to also support the Series S then they won’t be able to design games to specifically take advantage of that power. I’m not interested in a budget console that’s inferior to the PlayStation five in every way whatever the value proposition is. If it holds back the Series X then it will make me less interested in that as well.
It will have a place when Microsoft abandoned the Xbox One but until then I can’t see why people would buy it rather than the One S if all they are interested in is playing Microsoft games on the cheap.
Re: PS Plus Members Launch Petition Against 'Dumbfounding' May 2020 PS4 Games
I suspect for pro evolution soccer getting pulled from PlayStation plus had more to do with agreements Sony had made to market another football game rather than the public pressure.
Re: There Are Only Five PS4 Games Available to Pre-Order from the PS Store
It’s weird because if you go to an online shop there are lots of games to pre-order physically. Whilst I don’t pre-order digitally it’s nice to be able to check the PSN price before a game comes out.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 322
@WCB Is Blue Reflection any good. I was put off by the reviews around launch.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 322
Final Fantasy seven remake. I’m on chapter 8 and have got into the second area. So it’s time to clear up some more side quests.
Re: PS Plus May 2020 Reveal Has Been a Disaster, One of the Worst Received Months Ever
They’re not bad games. But they both belong to the same niche. They are also both on PlayStation now. So automatic dislike from any PlayStation now subscribers.
Re: The Wonderful 101 Remastered Physical Release Delayed to Late June
I learnt a while ago never to order anything physical off kickstarter. It tends to arrive late with import duty’s
Re: Don't Believe Everything You Read About Naughty Dog Right Now
Can you spoil a game for yourself by expecting something to happen in the story that never does?
Re: PS Plus May 2020 PS4 Games Announced
Neither are bad games and I’ll probably try both. They do seem to have developed a habit of providing two similar games which leads to people either liking both or not liking both.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Available for Pre-Order on PlayStation Store Again
Isn’t the story just an excuse to cross the post apocalyptic US killing stuff and solving puzzles?
Re: PS5 Games Will Be Cross-Gen for Some Time, Reckons Frogwares Dev
@Paranoimia If you want to have access to a large library on PS5. You’re going to have to buy one for Sony approved a NVMe SSD and install it internally.
Re: PS5 Games Will Be Cross-Gen for Some Time, Reckons Frogwares Dev
It’s not quite as clear cut as bigger market equals more sales. The are already 4000 PS4 games. So some of the new releases for that format are likely to get lost in the noise. Where is those early adopters are more likely to notice a NextGen only release.
Re: Sakura Wars - An Entertaining But Flawed Summer Anime in Video Game Form
Speaking of the anime. Does the game tell the same story as the anime?
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 321
Star Wars fallen order has just arrived in the post so I’ll be playing that this weekend.
Re: Multiplayer Title Predator: Hunting Grounds Is Out Now on PS4
I’ll wait for your review before not buying this.
Re: Soapbox: I Want Better Levels on PS5, Not Bigger Worlds
I certainly hope the bland emptiness between points of interest in some games is just disguised loading times that can be eliminated.
Re: Sony Won't Be Bringing PlayStation to Brazil Game Show This Year
@Nickolaidas In the absence of lockdowns and the other preventative measures we would be at well over 1 million deaths globally by the end of this year with coronavirus.
Re: Quantum Error PS5 Development Is 'Very Fast and Smooth', But Dev Can't Commit to Being a Launch Game
@makina With the PS5 More rebalance towards the CPU. I would hope that most developers would choose to scale back resolution rather than frame rate.
Re: Halo Co-Creator Hyped About PS5's Super-Fast SSD Technology
@Mega-Gazz Won’t happen immediately. I would be surprised if you can play many new AAA games on the PC in 3 1/2 years time if you don’t have an NVMe SSD at least as fast as the one in the Xbox series X.