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Regardless of this movie being good or bad, my children tell me that I am watching it in the cinema.

I enjoyed this for what it was and it really is one hell of a good looking game. Will pop this on download to check it out on the pro.

I'm growing weary of Geoffs face and forced excitement. I miss the utter madness of peak E3. Now it's just Geoff. Everywhere.

@Raffles I don't game on PC otherwise I'd probably be doing the exact same thing you are. It's not that I don't appreciate PC's or dislike them, it's simply that I have very few hours to actually game these days. Kids, work, life, etc... getting in the way. The plug and play nature of consoles fits better with it all, so I figure I may as well have the best box available for when I can get near it.

From the sounds of it, GT7 aside, you are probably set until something comes along that really needs it. Like I say, it's a hard sell as it is, especially considering you basically have all you need already.

@Raffles I was actually a late buyer for the pro. Didn't really feel the need for it to be honest. Then a day or two before launch the whole 'new gadget' thing kicked in and I plunged. More to future proof for the back end of the gen than anything as I thinks that's where the benefits will become apparent.

To be honest, I'm enjoying the little benefits but id find it hard to say yes, you spend that 700. Truth be told, I think it's hard to sell it to folks based on your own experience with it. There are things that felt wonderful to me. There are also things i look at and have to google if its actually been patched or not. My wife was basically looking at the screen saying 'tell me again why you spent 700 on this?' And I had a pal over earlier looking at me like a snake oil salesman as well.

I suppose that's the thing with mid gen refreshes. There are wow's in there, some may see/feel things others don't, but the wows are a little more buried than a generational leap. If that makes sense.

@Raffles all I can really say is it felt head and shoulders to me, both in image and fps. Completely get all your points though, and always appreciate a civil conversation. Just for me, it feels huge.

I will also never be able to see PSSR as anything other than PISSER now 😂

@carlos82 came here to say the same thing. It would be very useful to have a list of games with live patches.

@Rich33 thanks man, appreciate the info. Never heard of that before but makes complete sense. Appreciated

@Raffles im on a C1 oled so i played the same as you previously and it genuinelydoes feel head and shoulders above the base one, to me anyway. Obviously that may differ for yourself.

The resolution doesn't dip from 4k (the base one varies if I remember correctly, could be wrong), and the 120 lock really does make a difference. The best I can say to you is try it and see for yourself. You can feel and see it immediately.

I'm keen to try the pro patch but id probably still stick with this if it's available. It's that good.

Edit: I'm also intrigued to see if the pro will enhance the vr mode as its already one of the best experiences in vr

Edit 2: my bad, it's a 4k lock.

@Raffles just the smoothness of it all. It feels so responsive and clean. Admittedly, I since was informed that this is just the base version 'boosted' by the pro to a locked 120 fps at 4k. It genuinely feels and looks better than the base version by far.

Edit: no idea if it will retain this option at this level when it's patched.

@Whately86 DF described Forbidden West on it as the best image quality they've seen in any console game. I'd say that's doing a pretty good job.

@HonestHick I'd agree that a 7 (maybe 8 depending on the tv youre hooked to) feels about right as well. I've seen enough to please me in the games I tend to play to make my purchase feel worthy. Hopefully more of the announced patches will arrive sooner than later.

I do however think that the real benefit will come to show in the games that get released between now and whenever the next gen machine arrives. At the minute it's just a bit of glitter, admittedly more or less in some cases, on games we already have. I am please that some VR titles are seeing the benefit though as a little bonus.

@carlos82 it just felt so much better playing it. I'm with you and hope we can keep it around.

I need to give my psvr2 a go with no mans sky as well later on.

@HappyGamerGirl It's different strokes for different folks. Glad you're enjoying it though. I'm also tempted by Stellar Blade after what I've seen. Looks like a big upgrade.

Enjoy your weekend to!

@carlos82 I didn't even realise GT7 hadn't had the patch as I opted for the high frame rate mode and it was that good, I assumed it had been patched 😂

@carlos82 @Loamy ahhhh that woukd explain it. A pal suggested the same thing, just wasn't sure with it being advertised as enhanced for pro. They should probably take that off until it's out to be fair. Does not give the best impression at all.

@JB_Whiting it's the price we pay for getting over excited at these things. Blessing and a curse mate 😂

@JB_Whiting it's so bad isn't it. i thought they had added rain into the early sections until I realised it was just a mess 😂

@JB_Whiting Ragnarock has a patch and gives you multiple new options, including which AA mode you want to use.

The majority of the ones you have played are only using the console boost, which is why you won't see much difference. Although I believe metaphor runs at a locked 60 now according to DF.

I've played so far Gran Tourismo, Dead Island 2, No Mans Sky, Horizon Forbidden West and Alan Wake 2 and all of them are head and shoulders over the base versions.

Not taking away from your experince but with the pro consoles, it's always at the whim of the developer as to how they use the additional oomph. The console itself will steady out framerates but it won't change anything else much if devs don't patch it. Saying that, you will find all newer games will arrive with the features and over time, more devs will send patches out. Hopefully it makes you feel a bit better about your purchase after a bit more time.

@JB_Whiting Sorry to hear that man. There quite a few that are patched that have new options from what I've seen. Dead Island 2 doesn't have a graphics/performance toggle but the game is quite clearly running at a much higher level than the base version. I've personally been quite impressed with what I've tried on mine.

Admittedly I haven't tried silent hill directly as I'm waiting for my disc drive to arrive, but online videos show it's clearly running worse than the base version. Just seemed very odd.

@get2sammyb Have you tried Silent Hill 2? It's not clear if it has actually recieved a patch but does state enhanced for PS Pro. It's safe to say the results are not the best...

@Loamy one of the best VR experiences out there. Taking off, hovering just above a planets atmosphere and peeping down out of the window is the stuff I dreamt of as a kid.

Off topic but I managed to snag a disc drive from Very if anyone in the UK is still looking.

God damn it, was gonna finish my disc copy before switching over as I can't get a disc drive (and I'm not paying no scalper).

@Zemo55 you monster 😂

@Zemo55 I'm looking everywhere in warrington and online and they may as well be unicorns at the minute

Edit: just checked Clitheroe and they're all out of stock. You took the last one you monster.

Well. Sold. I was already happy to step into this but now I'm all but jumping.

@La_Kias argos is showing out of stock for me

@dskatter fancy shipping one over 😂

As I said in another article, I just tipped on the pro today. I learnt that the drives were gold dust very soon after that

Well I crumbled and bought a pro. Now I need a disc drive and my god, that's just not happening is it.

@get2sammyb you got a spare drive floating round 😂

@alienwithin for Microsoft you mean. It's not win win for xbox if they don't pull in enough users to their console, as there won't be one and they'll go full publisher.

Edit: you got a link to that highest players on xbox stat you pulled up

@Trojan As for brand loyalty, I just commented above yours saying I need to start collecting my MS points again. Because I play on xbox. Surprise.

@Trojan well, someone hasn't read all the comments. Nobody is being a console warrior, nobody is denying MS have the money. What we are saying is if they don't get the uptick in GP subs they want then it could push them further into the realm of being a publisher. Which nobody wants.

I have no idea what you are on about in your last comment. Literally no idea.

@Stale-Bread 😂 we can only live and dream

@Nexozi I dropped off collecting them, for no particular reason at all. I really should start up again

@Nexozi yeah, they pulled a lot of the cheapest ways. To good to last really

@Nexozi hard to argue it's a bargain you have there. Problem is using the loopholes (which, let's be honest, you should use if they are there) doesn't bring money in for Microsoft that they want from subs.

@MrPeanutbutterz this is correct. They initially announced the had just over 35 million subs. It was then clarified that this included those rebranded from core. Actual gamepass subscribers declined slightly when the core folks were removed.

@Banjo- just wanted to clarify I'm not a Sony fan only, I enjoy games on all systems. Again, apologies if it came across that way man.

@themcnoisy no harshness intended, apologies if it came across that way @Banjo-

@Banjo- I know you love xbox my man, and that's cool, but when there's an article telling you the digital sales are down by an exact percentage and the others are up, it's a little like arguing the sky is green when we can all just look up.

@Banjo- the article is literally talking about digital sales for both platforms.

@Cikajovazmaj for those that play it all year round, I imagine they will just buy it as it's cheaper to do than keep a sub running. In the UK at least, that doesn't appear to be happening. It may have got sign ups to try before they buy, but we won't see that for another month or so. If ever as both Sony and Ms are a bit shy on sharing the info out.

@Banjo- these are digital sales

@AhmadSumadi Gamepass is the original DRM they wanted dressed in a prettier dress. Heck, at least the original let you own the game, now you don't even get that.

I know folks will say MS get the money either way, but if sign ups aren't that dramatic its hardly a reason to celebrate.

Using figures from Feb 2013, plus had 47 million and as of March this year, GP 35 mill. (Those likely changed as we know both stagnated on the subs front.)

The big catch is Sony has massively increased its console base, which likely increased subs as new people pick up the box. MS have done so by a pretty small amount. If COD doesn't bring the subs in, it's looking more and more like they will go full 3rd party publisher.

Nobody wants that as Sony need to be challenged.

We run a tech scheme at work were you can purchase things through salary sacrifice and save some money on them. Mine refreshes in January so I will grab a pro and disc drive through that. I'm in no rush for one right now

@BusyOlf the Dereck video is one of my favourite things in the world.