I remember reading some article ages ago about this being a pretty power hungry game. I think the Devs were being asked about it coming to PS4/xbone at the time, and they weren't powerful enough. Split screen obviously increases the drain even more.
@IOI it's interesting news that will affect us. What is toxic about reporting on it? Noone's getting bullied. If you don't want to read what people think about the situation then it's easy enough to ignore articles about it.
@Green-Bandit most people think Xbox is going under? What? Most people are aware they have bundles of money, they are not going under regardless of their seeming inability to turn it into decent original games.
@Toypop given the cod focus on the whole thing, it seems pretty certain a buyout is going to come with a 'cod must remain available on all systems' clause regardless of whether Sony sign Microsoft's pantomime contract.
The store page for this is very umm... No screenshots, no mention that they are nes and Gameboy games. I suppose anyone who's got any interest in bill and ted nowadays would be aware anyway, they don't seem to have caught younger generations imagination as far as I know, but still seems misleading.
Well if street fighter 6 has new mechanics that nobody has got used to yet, I guess it's probably the best chance a new player is going to get. It does tend to be easier to win online matches in the first few months of a new street fighter game. Then people start dropping off leaving all the hardcore SF pros ready to wipe the floor with you.
@belmont neither of those games appear to be available for EU PS3 (any more?) Perhaps their removal means they aren't linked any more? I'm very much in guess territory though.
@belmont yeah re directors cut is definitely not purchasable. You just get a subscribe option.
You could potentially buy it on PS3 (if it's still there) and maybe it'll become owned on ps5 too, but that's just a guess.
Edit : it is still available on PS3. Buying it probably would activate it on ps5.
Though legend of dragoon was never available on PS3 in Europe so that won't work here if you can't buy straight from ps5
@MakersMark it's the actions of a few, the vast majority of people behave perfectly normally even when they know noone is watching. At least I strongly believe that.
@Bez87 it's very open ended, as it's supposed to be I guess. There's plenty of things that make you side with Joel in the original, most notably the fireflies awful handling of the situation when Joel and Ellie reach them. Though yes, Joel's killing of the scientists was quite forced. You can't progress without doing it (or at least one of them apparantly). I guess they had the sequel planned all along.
I've been seriously considering buying a copy of legend of dragoon, even at the £150 price it currently commands. So super happy to see it legally playable cheaper finally.
@TheKurgan You are just as short or long sighted in vr as you are in real life. Im not qualified enough to explain why, I initially assumed nobody would need glasses for vr. Perhaps one day vr will one day be good enough to detect your eye sight and adjust for it. Hey, maybe one day it'll even be able to tell us our prescription.
I'll probably get one eventually. Just needs a few more eye catching games I think, which will surely come.
I love beat saber on quest, and that would probably have been the thing that sold me if I didn't have to buy all the music packs again, I don't love it that much lol.
Edit: bit nitpicky but the quest controllers do have a little force feedback don't they? I mean they vibrate a little in beat saber. Unless I'm misunderstanding the specs.
It's difficult/impossible to make one of these brawler games that's going to keep players playing long term I think. They don't usually have enough depth. Smash bros is the glaring exception of course, but even then I wonder how much time the average player spends on it, probably not much if you aren't part of the 'pro' competitive scene.
@LieutenantFatman have you tried dreams? It does have a lot of lbps spirit, focusing on the creative. You don't even have to be interested in making your own stuff, there are tons of games made by other players, and a surprisingly high on average quality to them.
@CutchuSlow the buyout would/will inevitably remove a lot of game franchises that playstation users have enjoyed over the years, so how it is progressing is relevant.
@NEStalgia Im not going to search for articles, but they certainly were reported as claiming gamepass would boost sales. I think it was based on the belief people would buy after it left the service, and microtransactions of course.
@GodofCapcom yeah it's similar. I've occasionally got sucked into limited time events in various games, but I really try to avoid them when possible nowadays.
It's the temporary nature of these all you can eat subscriptions that put me off. I can just about get on board with the ps+ essential/games with gold, because at least you are guaranteed to have them in your library if you keep paying. Movie/TV streaming has a similar problem nowadays, difficult keeping up with what TV show is on what service. I really don't like being on a timer to use something.
Live service games seem to be a complete dice roll, there's no predicting what is the next big thing. Even having a solid franchise behind them doesn't seem to help. Problem is they need to be a success from the start, it seems to be very difficult to recover. People are attracted to games that other people are playing as far as multiplayer ones are concerned. Noone playing in the first place means noone probably ever will.
Hack and slash action, sigh. Why are RPG franchises always so desperate to leave their original fans behind and search for new ones? It doesn't seem to happen with any other genre.
I remember wow getting extremely toxic when DPS counters started becoming a thing, every group you joined would start arguing because at least one player was more interested in the DPS counter than the game.
I thought it was great from the start, complaints that it's slow seem odd to me. Yes it slowly opens up new locations and stuff, but you expect that from an RPG, introducing new things along the way to stop it getting too repetitive.
It seems a successful live service game needs to come out of the gate running, has there been one that had a slow start but succeeded later on? Every one I can think of, fall guys, rocket league, Fortnite etc were a success from day one.
Edit : hmm, maybe fallout 76, though that had a very dedicated fanbase because of the franchise
It needs a stronger library I think. Vr1 did very well at launch because vr in general was a new and exciting concept to everyone. Now we take it for granted. Of all the games I've seen, only horizon is the one I'm excited to try. Beat saber sure that's important too, but I have that already. One suggestion, one of the best vr games out there, Asgard's wrath is shamefully in sitting in relative obscurity on the oculus store. Maybe see if meta would want to port that over, it's an ideal system seller with some promotion and meta might be happy to finally make some money from it. And half life Alex too of course. Big showboat titles like these would convince me to buy.
@nessisonett perhaps ms have a subscription exclusivity deal? That Epic games case last year showed that they happen. Though obviously it's a bit odd that ms would have one for a Sony produced game. Still possible with MLB involved.
@Fight_Teza_Fight it's so cool when you get into one. A level uppers paradise. Does tend to get a bit glass cannon at the higher levels though, everyone just one shotting each other.
Bought one piece odyssey, it's pretty fun, but yeah the battles are so easy so far. Loads of interesting mechanics but there's no need to use any of them. Really needs a hard, or even normal mode patch.
I liked the first octopath, some of the boss battles went on forever though, and that's coming from someone who loves turn based games. I doubt not playing the first will have any impact on the 2nd, it'll likely be more like final fantasy, a completely different set of characters and story.
@Digit2021 some games are very active, that's Def something to be wary of in a busy house. I've personally knocked out a light bulb and punched a wall in the past (the wall was fine fortunately).
@Ralizah the writing in persona q is pretty rough all round to be honest. I remember Kanji in particular had a really tough time in that. He started quite well, giving a big speech about finally accepting who he was, but spent the rest of the game being mocked by everyone. Great music and gameplay though, I really love those ds make your own map games.
I've played 4 again very recently on the vita, but I'll prob buy it one day. 3 I'll probably buy quite soon, though I'm put off a little by the choice of port. The psp version had cutbacks to compensate for the memory size, I wish they'd gone a bit further and took the best of both versions.
@Dezzy70 the move was pretty good for that. Probably the closest I've felt to the old arcades. Though it's hard to compare cause I haven't played an arcade one for a quarter of a century lol. Second hand move controllers have taken a drop in price lately, so it's probably a good time for shooter enthusiasts to grab a PS3 and a pair, the games are all pretty cheap too. The gun attachments are pretty pricey though, especially official ones.
It's a downside of social media I guess, the spoilers for everything. I still clearly remember the day I was staring at my TV, horrified as sephiroth did his thing in ff7, I doubt we'll ever get a moment like that again. Last of us 2 could potentially have been one in a non social media world.
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Re: Sony Has No Console Exclusivity Over Baldur's Gate 3
I remember reading some article ages ago about this being a pretty power hungry game. I think the Devs were being asked about it coming to PS4/xbone at the time, and they weren't powerful enough.
Split screen obviously increases the drain even more.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Is Getting Trounced by PS5, Microsoft Weirdly Reveals
@Th3solution I think dreams could work out one day. It really is something special, just needs whatever spark it is that grabs the wider attention.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Is Getting Trounced by PS5, Microsoft Weirdly Reveals
@IOI it's interesting news that will affect us. What is toxic about reporting on it? Noone's getting bullied. If you don't want to read what people think about the situation then it's easy enough to ignore articles about it.
Re: Xbox on Charm Offensive to Push $69 Billion Activision Acquisition Through
@Green-Bandit most people think Xbox is going under? What?
Most people are aware they have bundles of money, they are not going under regardless of their seeming inability to turn it into decent original games.
Re: Xbox on Charm Offensive to Push $69 Billion Activision Acquisition Through
@Toypop given the cod focus on the whole thing, it seems pretty certain a buyout is going to come with a 'cod must remain available on all systems' clause regardless of whether Sony sign Microsoft's pantomime contract.
Re: New PS1 Classics Can Be Bought Off the PS Store
@sanderson72 Sony sold the everquest game though, so who knows who those games actually belong to nowadays.
Re: Dude! Bill & Ted's Excellent Retro Collection Is Out on PS5, PS4 Now
The store page for this is very umm... No screenshots, no mention that they are nes and Gameboy games.
I suppose anyone who's got any interest in bill and ted nowadays would be aware anyway, they don't seem to have caught younger generations imagination as far as I know, but still seems misleading.
Re: You Can Become a Millionaire by Winning the Next Capcom Cup
Well if street fighter 6 has new mechanics that nobody has got used to yet, I guess it's probably the best chance a new player is going to get.
It does tend to be easier to win online matches in the first few months of a new street fighter game.
Then people start dropping off leaving all the hardcore SF pros ready to wipe the floor with you.
Re: Rumour: Iconic PS1 RPG The Legend of Dragoon Adding Trophies on PS Plus Premium
@belmont neither of those games appear to be available for EU PS3 (any more?) Perhaps their removal means they aren't linked any more? I'm very much in guess territory though.
Re: Rumour: Iconic PS1 RPG The Legend of Dragoon Adding Trophies on PS Plus Premium
@Would_you_kindly yeah, all I can say is it'd probably work based on what I know, but I couldn't guarantee it'd work.
Edit : man now I'm too intrigued. I'm gonna buy it I'll let you know.
Edit : yep, buying resident evil directors cut on PS3 unlocks the ps5 one
Re: Rumour: Iconic PS1 RPG The Legend of Dragoon Adding Trophies on PS Plus Premium
@belmont yeah re directors cut is definitely not purchasable. You just get a subscribe option.
You could potentially buy it on PS3 (if it's still there) and maybe it'll become owned on ps5 too, but that's just a guess.
Edit : it is still available on PS3. Buying it probably would activate it on ps5.
Though legend of dragoon was never available on PS3 in Europe so that won't work here if you can't buy straight from ps5
Re: Idiots on the Internet Are Still Abusing Abby from The Last of Us 2's Face Model
@MakersMark it's the actions of a few, the vast majority of people behave perfectly normally even when they know noone is watching. At least I strongly believe that.
Re: Idiots on the Internet Are Still Abusing Abby from The Last of Us 2's Face Model
@Bez87 it's very open ended, as it's supposed to be I guess. There's plenty of things that make you side with Joel in the original, most notably the fireflies awful handling of the situation when Joel and Ellie reach them.
Though yes, Joel's killing of the scientists was quite forced. You can't progress without doing it (or at least one of them apparantly). I guess they had the sequel planned all along.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for February 2023?
I've been seriously considering buying a copy of legend of dragoon, even at the £150 price it currently commands. So super happy to see it legally playable cheaper finally.
Re: Dude! Bill & Ted's Excellent Retro Collection Is Out on PS5, PS4 Now
I remember playing the game boy one quite a bit when I was a kid. Though my expectations were a lot lower back then obviously.
Re: 17 More PS Plus Extra, Premium Games Coming in Best Update Yet
Legend of dragoon! If Europe actually gets it this time it will be the first time since it's original release.
Re: PSVR2 Review: Is It Worth It?
@TheKurgan You are just as short or long sighted in vr as you are in real life. Im not qualified enough to explain why, I initially assumed nobody would need glasses for vr.
Perhaps one day vr will one day be good enough to detect your eye sight and adjust for it. Hey, maybe one day it'll even be able to tell us our prescription.
Re: PSVR2 Review: Is It Worth It?
I'll probably get one eventually. Just needs a few more eye catching games I think, which will surely come.
I love beat saber on quest, and that would probably have been the thing that sold me if I didn't have to buy all the music packs again, I don't love it that much lol.
Edit: bit nitpicky but the quest controllers do have a little force feedback don't they? I mean they vibrate a little in beat saber. Unless I'm misunderstanding the specs.
Re: MultiVersus Daily Peak Player Count Down 99% Since Launch
It's difficult/impossible to make one of these brawler games that's going to keep players playing long term I think. They don't usually have enough depth.
Smash bros is the glaring exception of course, but even then I wonder how much time the average player spends on it, probably not much if you aren't part of the 'pro' competitive scene.
Re: Media Molecule Reveals Details on This Year's Impy Awards as Dreams Turns 3 Years Old
@LieutenantFatman have you tried dreams? It does have a lot of lbps spirit, focusing on the creative. You don't even have to be interested in making your own stuff, there are tons of games made by other players, and a surprisingly high on average quality to them.
Re: Microsoft Admits Xbox Game Pass Is Harming Software Sales After All
@CutchuSlow the buyout would/will inevitably remove a lot of game franchises that playstation users have enjoyed over the years, so how it is progressing is relevant.
Re: Microsoft Admits Xbox Game Pass Is Harming Software Sales After All
@Futureshark not just Xbox sites sadly.
Re: Microsoft Admits Xbox Game Pass Is Harming Software Sales After All
@NEStalgia Im not going to search for articles, but they certainly were reported as claiming gamepass would boost sales.
I think it was based on the belief people would buy after it left the service, and microtransactions of course.
Re: PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass Aren't Big Enough to Impact Business, Says Take-Two Boss
@cragis0001 that uh, seems unlikely.
Re: PSN Licence Verification Issues Prevent PS5, PS4 Owners from Playing Games
@DETfaninATL any excuse for a physical Vs digital argument I guess
Re: PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass Aren't Big Enough to Impact Business, Says Take-Two Boss
@GodofCapcom yeah it's similar. I've occasionally got sucked into limited time events in various games, but I really try to avoid them when possible nowadays.
Re: PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass Aren't Big Enough to Impact Business, Says Take-Two Boss
It's the temporary nature of these all you can eat subscriptions that put me off.
I can just about get on board with the ps+ essential/games with gold, because at least you are guaranteed to have them in your library if you keep paying.
Movie/TV streaming has a similar problem nowadays, difficult keeping up with what TV show is on what service.
I really don't like being on a timer to use something.
Re: Talking Point: Should Sony Be Worried by Live Service Implosion?
Live service games seem to be a complete dice roll, there's no predicting what is the next big thing. Even having a solid franchise behind them doesn't seem to help.
Problem is they need to be a success from the start, it seems to be very difficult to recover. People are attracted to games that other people are playing as far as multiplayer ones are concerned. Noone playing in the first place means noone probably ever will.
Re: Rumour: Dragon Age: Dreadwolf Could Still Be a Long Way Off
Hack and slash action, sigh. Why are RPG franchises always so desperate to leave their original fans behind and search for new ones? It doesn't seem to happen with any other genre.
Re: Final Fantasy 14 World First Raiders Stripped of Achievement, Naoki Yoshida 'Extremely Disappointed'
I remember wow getting extremely toxic when DPS counters started becoming a thing, every group you joined would start arguing because at least one player was more interested in the DPS counter than the game.
Re: Persona 5 Royal Steals Four Hour Trial on PS Plus Premium
I thought it was great from the start, complaints that it's slow seem odd to me. Yes it slowly opens up new locations and stuff, but you expect that from an RPG, introducing new things along the way to stop it getting too repetitive.
Re: PS5, PS4 Battle Royale Brawler Rumbleverse Shutting Down After Just Six Months
It seems a successful live service game needs to come out of the gate running, has there been one that had a slow start but succeeded later on? Every one I can think of, fall guys, rocket league, Fortnite etc were a success from day one.
Edit : hmm, maybe fallout 76, though that had a very dedicated fanbase because of the franchise
Re: Sony Cuts PSVR2 Launch Sale Estimates by Half, New Report Claims
It needs a stronger library I think. Vr1 did very well at launch because vr in general was a new and exciting concept to everyone. Now we take it for granted. Of all the games I've seen, only horizon is the one I'm excited to try.
Beat saber sure that's important too, but I have that already.
One suggestion, one of the best vr games out there, Asgard's wrath is shamefully in sitting in relative obscurity on the oculus store. Maybe see if meta would want to port that over, it's an ideal system seller with some promotion and meta might be happy to finally make some money from it.
And half life Alex too of course. Big showboat titles like these would convince me to buy.
Re: Activision Blizzard Exec Says Last of Us HBO Proves Microsoft Acquisition Should Go Ahead
How dare Sony make a quality show that is almost universally enjoyed, that's not how a large company is suppose to behave lol.
Re: Sony's MLB The Show 23 Costs $70 on PS5, Nothing on Xbox Game Pass
@nessisonett perhaps ms have a subscription exclusivity deal? That Epic games case last year showed that they happen. Though obviously it's a bit odd that ms would have one for a Sony produced game. Still possible with MLB involved.
Re: Disgaea 7: Vows of the Virtueless Announced for PS5, PS4 Fall Release
@Fight_Teza_Fight it's so cool when you get into one. A level uppers paradise. Does tend to get a bit glass cannon at the higher levels though, everyone just one shotting each other.
Re: Sony's MLB The Show 23 Costs $70 on PS5, Nothing on Xbox Game Pass
@get2sammyb it's probably some very big cheques.
Re: HBO Renews The Last of Us TV Series for a Second Season
@Ambassador_Kong last of us 2 is one of the most morally challenging games out there, it definitely isn't black and white.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 460
Bought one piece odyssey, it's pretty fun, but yeah the battles are so easy so far. Loads of interesting mechanics but there's no need to use any of them. Really needs a hard, or even normal mode patch.
Re: New Octopath Traveler 2 Trailer Is All About Ochette and Castti
I liked the first octopath, some of the boss battles went on forever though, and that's coming from someone who loves turn based games.
I doubt not playing the first will have any impact on the 2nd, it'll likely be more like final fantasy, a completely different set of characters and story.
Re: 37 PSVR2 Games Confirmed for Launch Window as Sony Posts Full List
@Digit2021 some games are very active, that's Def something to be wary of in a busy house. I've personally knocked out a light bulb and punched a wall in the past (the wall was fine fortunately).
Re: Poll: Did You Buy the Persona 3 Portable, Persona 4 Golden Remasters?
@Ralizah the writing in persona q is pretty rough all round to be honest. I remember Kanji in particular had a really tough time in that. He started quite well, giving a big speech about finally accepting who he was, but spent the rest of the game being mocked by everyone.
Great music and gameplay though, I really love those ds make your own map games.
Re: Poll: Did You Buy the Persona 3 Portable, Persona 4 Golden Remasters?
I've played 4 again very recently on the vita, but I'll prob buy it one day.
3 I'll probably buy quite soon, though I'm put off a little by the choice of port. The psp version had cutbacks to compensate for the memory size, I wish they'd gone a bit further and took the best of both versions.
Re: PSVR Gems Rez Infinite, Tetris Effect Coming to PSVR2, Small Fee to Upgrade
I've played the area X part of rez so many times it's really good. Though the fantastic music is one of the biggest draws.
Re: Persona 4 Golden (PS4) - An Utterly Engrossing RPG, and That's the Truth
@themcnoisy yeah it's a turn based vita port. 4k and 120fps is just there for bragging really, it's not going to make your game any different.
Re: Persona 4 Golden (PS4) - An Utterly Engrossing RPG, and That's the Truth
@nessisonett I love the game dungeon theme! Had it on my YouTube playlist for years
Re: House of the Dead Remake Treated to PS5 Version This Week
@Dezzy70 the move was pretty good for that. Probably the closest I've felt to the old arcades. Though it's hard to compare cause I haven't played an arcade one for a quarter of a century lol.
Second hand move controllers have taken a drop in price lately, so it's probably a good time for shooter enthusiasts to grab a PS3 and a pair, the games are all pretty cheap too. The gun attachments are pretty pricey though, especially official ones.
Re: New PS5, PS4 Games This Week (16th January to 22nd January)
@NEStalgia that would've been a nice touch, and probably easyish to implement, but I've heard nothing about it so I'm guessing not.
Re: UK Sales Charts: God of War Ragnarok Dethroned in Familiar Top 10
@somnambulance fire emblem's collectors edition will likely fire it up to first for a week at least.
Re: Shocking: Atlus Won't Restrict Persona 3, Persona 4 Remaster Footage, Screenshots
It's a downside of social media I guess, the spoilers for everything. I still clearly remember the day I was staring at my TV, horrified as sephiroth did his thing in ff7, I doubt we'll ever get a moment like that again.
Last of us 2 could potentially have been one in a non social media world.