@themightyant So, just so you know where I'm coming from, I work in animation and have friends who work in gaming. Even if morally trained on only owned IP (which for a company like microsoft is a VERY wide spread of games) an algorithm will only be able to "collage" ideas from different games together. This isn't the same as artists taking inspiration, as the program doesn't understand why things look the way they do, when they search through a database of images. Fundamental design choices (big vs small shapes, complex vs simple etc) get lost and you get things put together messily. It'll feel somewhat like what you've seen but it won't actually stick in your mind the same way because the process was thoughtless.
Now to the point that they're not using it to generate content and only for quick iterations. Once a visual has been established, with AI or even just a quick pencil sketch, an idea gets locked in our minds. Say the algorithm creates 10-20 ideas, the preferred one will end up as the core idea and the artists will end up only marginally changing things because the producers, who pay you, want the thing they saw. (I have seen this happen already) Essentially it makes the artists just clean up ideas that the algorithm has pushed out, taking all the actual artistry and ideas, experiences, etc that a human brings to the table out of the equation. Hence the slop people talk about.
@themightyant There is a HUGE difference between AI and Generative AI, which is the slop people are referring to. The video here does seem to refer to Generative AI to come up with things "quicker". But this will in general just mean derivative of other games and so we will end up with even more copy paste games or slop than we already do. This is a race to the bottom and will devalue gaming and the hard work that artists put into it every day
Clearly the Series S is a problem for AA games. Smaller games run on it easy enough and AAA studios have recourses/experience to get their games to run on both systems but lots of games in between struggle plenty
@PuppetMaster fair. I gave up, before ever trying, on the “she looks like a man” people cuz those are forever lost from reality. But Porcos theory was so easily debunked by logic that I forgot this is the internet for a moment…
@Porco I highly doubt that this is a PR move from any studio. I work in animation and have worked on shows for Nick, Disney,…. And know people who work on games too as there’s a lot of overlap between certain roles. People working on these shows or games often make fanart of things we enjoy without ever having to check with anyone about posting. Studios usually aren’t afraid of us going online talking negative stuff cuz, even if we don’t enjoy something, we know it took a lot of work, effort and heart to make something and sometimes things just don’t come together.
All that to say… this more than likely is just an artist making fanart of something he enjoyed getting retweeted by the studio (or more specifically the person in charge of their twitter account) who’s excited over people liking their game. Not to mention that stuff like this is basically free advertising for ShiftUp. As they could mention he works for a studio with a high pedigree.
@Nakatomi_Uk I have and I get he hates it, but he's also one of the only reviewers that feels that way. It's valid, but one point of view among many. I've never played the first two games so have zero interest in similar tone. From what I've seen the action looks like it could be fun and so I'm just asking someone who's played the game
@ShogunRok As someone who loved the ME trilogy but couldn't get into Dragon Age Inquisition and hasn't played the other DA games. Would this be a better fit?
there was already an elegant solution for people who want to play digital only. Just do that and don't use the disc drive that's part of the console. As @Neither_scene said, this is very much about forcing people to use the PS store that sells games at inflated prices and gives a price monopoly.
The trailer is fantastic! The two characters could create a fun mix of gameplay of the older AC stealth and more open world brutal action. Definitely curious. although the required internet connection for installation is a massive bummer and pushing it from a possible day one to play it on ps plus
If it wasn’t using AI generated art is give it a go… but now it’s a no from me. Same deal as The Finals… these companies shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this unregulated theft.
@BansheeNorn OR they could just learn to deal with their not liking a piece of media like normal human beings and not threaten anyone…. Now, go learn how to be a decent human being who doesn’t think attacking anyone (actor or dev) over a game is even a remotely normal response before you’re allowed back on the internet.
@ChrisDeku don't try to argue with wiiware. I remember him complaining about how Aloy looked in HFW.......... this is gonna be a pointless argument, just let him be angry and sad
It's barely an awards show, caring more about marketing and actors than celebrating the people who make the games... You know the reason it's an awards show and not a winter gamefest. Especially in a year where game studios have been hit with this many lay-offs that was disappointing, although not surprising.
No issues yet. Been playing on graphics mode and at 60% through the game... wondering if I should switch or if I've passed the point (without getting spoiled)
I installed remote play on my steamdeck so no way is this of any interest to me... Even if it was a proper handheld I'd have had questions as they're fumbling PSVR2 about as hard as they did Vita or the original PSVR, releasing far too few games for people to want to adopt the hardware.
I was wondering about the pace too. The logical part of my brain that's watching it as a show felt it was well paced, but the part of my brain kept reminding me of the game. I asked my wife after the episode ended how she felt about the pacing of the episode and she didn't notice it being rushed at all. I think this is one where we just remember how much of the game this episode covers. At this point you can pretty much guess what each episode is going to be (Next Left Behind, then the Lakeside resort, and then getting to the hospital ending season 1)
Since Arcane and Cyberpunk have been some of the best adaptations, game or otherwise, I'm open to this! Just depends how it's handled. Mostly it doesn't have to follow the same story as the game. Honestly it'd be a lot more interesting that way.
I'll watch it for the steam deck giveaway. the time is stupid though so I might not make it all the way
If it wasn't for the giveaway I'd just catch up the day after
@theGoodChap what I said is that the right winged crazies have gotten so many people riled up with the word. He might not be far right, never said he was, and be critical of the GOP (hard not to be , if you’ve got half a brain cell, and yes same goes for some in the left jeeez I see a comment coming) but he still used the laziest excuse to not admit he made a very mediocre game.
And now I’m just going to reuse my response to someone else. People can have opinions but using woke as a punching bag is just sad and antagonising. The moment you use it you ask to not have a decent conversation, as it's become a baseless complaint for people to throw around if they want to attract a certain audience. if he actually created reasonable arguments (even if I don't agree with them) then it'd be a very different conversation. and my words would've been a lot more respectful. But by adding "woh me being attacked by woke reviewers", there's no point in doing that anymore. It's a bad faith statement.
People can have opinions but using woke as a punching bag is just sad and antagonising. The moment you use it you ask to not have a decent conversation, as it's become a baseless complaint for people to throw around if they want to attract a certain audience. if he actually created reasonable arguments (even if I don't agree with them) then it'd be a very different conversation. and my words would've been a lot more respectful. But by adding "woh me being attacked by woke reviewers", there's no point in doing that anymore. It's a bad faith statement.
Using "woke" as an insult just shows you're a sad sack who wants to jump on a right wing bandwagon.
All it means is being respectful of others. then right wing crazies turned it into something negative.
This guy is either making it clear who he wants his audience to be.
Oh and I played the game on PS5, and after a few hours I had to stop. It was just so boring gameplay wise after you finish your first horde, with an empty world
Played the game earlier this year on ps5. It played alright and the first few hours are pretty fun but it became a true slog halfway through. It didn't introduce any real new elements and the story and writing was too cringy so never finished it. Still a shame it didn't get the green light for a sequel. It clearly found it's audience and with some improvements the sequel could've been an absolute hit!
NFTs are 99 percent a scam. Half of the art being sold has been taken off off someone's website, so it's also art theft too. (or you own absolutely nothing, cause the artists still have the original file on their computer anyway.)
That's setting aside the massive amounts of damage it does to the environment to just make one NFT... this in a winter that feels like spring.
Yeah some people will make a quick buck, but there is nothing right about NFTs
I don't mind the voice acting that much but I do find it strange that the faces just don't seem to emote.... I know gameplay won't suffer from this and that part definitely looks like it could be a lot of fun, but showing so many faces where the eyes are just big and wide and dead is kinda off-putting?
@naruball those free sources aren’t legal ways of watching anime. Which means legally it most definitely is (same way Disney buying out Fox is a monopoly). And with an industry on the brink due to overworked and underpaid artists, I don’t think those “free” sites are any welcome sources to that industry.
@naruball it’s a western monopoly. As combined Crunchyroll and Funimation distribute at least 50% of anime. It might sound advantageous now, but in the long run this won’t be good for consumers.
I've played a good bit of Apex but why do all these free to play games basically look like a reskinned version of one another. it genuinely doesn't make me want to try them out at this point
I'm interested in Deadloop but how much more can they show?? was really hoping they'd come out swinging after the past month
At this point a focus on just indies with some new announcements and dates would be more interesting and while I would personally love this, not showing any of the big titles they're cooking up just seems like a strange strategy
@fR_eeBritney agreed Sony can be insanely behind the times! I've moved for work but I can't change the country for my psn account. All I can do is create a new psn account and lose all of the ps plus games I've collected over the years. it's laughable.
I can't even imagine what developers have to jump through when they don't even have a good support system for their customers.
Had fun with the demo! The game gives me some strong Astral Chain vibes but the character bonding could really deliver something fun. Looking forward to playing it
People always get cynical about companies taking part in pride, but at least it puts it out there and hopefully helps the push towards a non acceptance of bigotry. Staying quiet is a bigger offence at this point. Also Sony has been doing better than a lot of other companies when it comes to representation so this really doesn’t feel as disingenuous as a lot of people seem to think it is.
I might give it a go but the designs for this one are so uninspired and bland that I genuinely don't know what Square was thinking.... dude's just wearing a simple shirt....
This is great news!!! Crunch burns everyone out. On top of that, it can lead to a worse product if it goes on too long. The occasional overtime is fine but constant crunch should always be avoided.
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Re: Sony Makes Push for Cloud Gaming Crown with Almost 400 More Games Whitelisted for PS Plus Premium
What if I own the games physical? Genuine question. I assume that doesn't work?
Re: Xbox Plots a Catalogue of AI Games, And It'll Probably Use Tech on PS5
@themightyant So, just so you know where I'm coming from, I work in animation and have friends who work in gaming.
Even if morally trained on only owned IP (which for a company like microsoft is a VERY wide spread of games) an algorithm will only be able to "collage" ideas from different games together.
This isn't the same as artists taking inspiration, as the program doesn't understand why things look the way they do, when they search through a database of images.
Fundamental design choices (big vs small shapes, complex vs simple etc) get lost and you get things put together messily. It'll feel somewhat like what you've seen but it won't actually stick in your mind the same way because the process was thoughtless.
Now to the point that they're not using it to generate content and only for quick iterations.
Once a visual has been established, with AI or even just a quick pencil sketch, an idea gets locked in our minds.
Say the algorithm creates 10-20 ideas, the preferred one will end up as the core idea and the artists will end up only marginally changing things because the producers, who pay you, want the thing they saw. (I have seen this happen already)
Essentially it makes the artists just clean up ideas that the algorithm has pushed out, taking all the actual artistry and ideas, experiences, etc that a human brings to the table out of the equation.
Hence the slop people talk about.
Re: Xbox Plots a Catalogue of AI Games, And It'll Probably Use Tech on PS5
@themightyant There is a HUGE difference between AI and Generative AI, which is the slop people are referring to.
The video here does seem to refer to Generative AI to come up with things "quicker". But this will in general just mean derivative of other games and so we will end up with even more copy paste games or slop than we already do.
This is a race to the bottom and will devalue gaming and the hard work that artists put into it every day
Re: Black Myth: Wukong Game Director Confirms There Was No Secret PS5 Exclusivity Deal
Clearly the Series S is a problem for AA games. Smaller games run on it easy enough and AAA studios have recourses/experience to get their games to run on both systems but lots of games in between struggle plenty
Re: Stellar Blade Dev Says It Hopes Everyone Is 'Living in Love' After Naughty Dog Artist's Interpretation of Eve Is Unfairly Criticised
@PuppetMaster fair. I gave up, before ever trying, on the “she looks like a man” people cuz those are forever lost from reality.
But Porcos theory was so easily debunked by logic that I forgot this is the internet for a moment…
Re: Stellar Blade Dev Says It Hopes Everyone Is 'Living in Love' After Naughty Dog Artist's Interpretation of Eve Is Unfairly Criticised
@Porco I highly doubt that this is a PR move from any studio.
I work in animation and have worked on shows for Nick, Disney,…. And know people who work on games too as there’s a lot of overlap between certain roles.
People working on these shows or games often make fanart of things we enjoy without ever having to check with anyone about posting.
Studios usually aren’t afraid of us going online talking negative stuff cuz, even if we don’t enjoy something, we know it took a lot of work, effort and heart to make something and sometimes things just don’t come together.
All that to say… this more than likely is just an artist making fanart of something he enjoyed getting retweeted by the studio (or more specifically the person in charge of their twitter account) who’s excited over people liking their game. Not to mention that stuff like this is basically free advertising for ShiftUp. As they could mention he works for a studio with a high pedigree.
Re: Dragon Age: The Veilguard (PS5) - The Best BioWare Game Since Mass Effect 3
@ShogunRok Amazing! It's going on the christmas list then ^^
Re: Dragon Age: The Veilguard (PS5) - The Best BioWare Game Since Mass Effect 3
@Nakatomi_Uk I have and I get he hates it, but he's also one of the only reviewers that feels that way. It's valid, but one point of view among many.
I've never played the first two games so have zero interest in similar tone. From what I've seen the action looks like it could be fun and so I'm just asking someone who's played the game
Re: Dragon Age: The Veilguard (PS5) - The Best BioWare Game Since Mass Effect 3
@ShogunRok As someone who loved the ME trilogy but couldn't get into Dragon Age Inquisition and hasn't played the other DA games. Would this be a better fit?
Re: Prospective PS5 Pro Buyers Cause Surge in Disc Drive Sales
there was already an elegant solution for people who want to play digital only. Just do that and don't use the disc drive that's part of the console.
As @Neither_scene said, this is very much about forcing people to use the PS store that sells games at inflated prices and gives a price monopoly.
Re: Arrowhead Offers Peek at Helldivers 2 Patch Meant to Satisfy the Masses
still very much enjoying the game, but I do wish some of the premium passes would become cheaper/free after x-amount of time.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Dated for 15th November in First Trailer
The trailer is fantastic! The two characters could create a fun mix of gameplay of the older AC stealth and more open world brutal action. Definitely curious. although the required internet connection for installation is a massive bummer and pushing it from a possible day one to play it on ps plus
Re: Foamstars (PS5) - PS Plus' Sudsy Shooter Is Good, Clean Fun
If it wasn’t using AI generated art is give it a go… but now it’s a no from me.
Same deal as The Finals… these companies shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this unregulated theft.
Re: Abusive Last of Us 2 Fans Allegedly Levelled Death Threats at Abby Actor's Newborn Son
@BansheeNorn OR they could just learn to deal with their not liking a piece of media like normal human beings and not threaten anyone….
Now, go learn how to be a decent human being who doesn’t think attacking anyone (actor or dev) over a game is even a remotely normal response before you’re allowed back on the internet.
Re: Critical Darling Alan Wake 2's Sales Seem Soft, But There's More to the Story
@ChrisDeku don't try to argue with wiiware. I remember him complaining about how Aloy looked in HFW.......... this is gonna be a pointless argument, just let him be angry and sad
Re: Poll: Was The Game Awards 2023 Worth Watching?
It's barely an awards show, caring more about marketing and actors than celebrating the people who make the games... You know the reason it's an awards show and not a winter gamefest.
Especially in a year where game studios have been hit with this many lay-offs that was disappointing, although not surprising.
...good announcements though
Re: Captain Laserhawk: A Blood Dragon Remix Brings Animated Ubisoft Action to Netflix
Anything involving Bobbypills as a studio deserves your attention! this will be nuts!
Re: Final Fantasy 16 Is Overheating and Crashing PS5 Consoles Completely
No issues yet. Been playing on graphics mode and at 60% through the game... wondering if I should switch or if I've passed the point (without getting spoiled)
Re: Sony's Portable PS5 Streaming Handheld Launches Later This Year
I installed remote play on my steamdeck so no way is this of any interest to me...
Even if it was a proper handheld I'd have had questions as they're fumbling PSVR2 about as hard as they did Vita or the original PSVR, releasing far too few games for people to want to adopt the hardware.
Re: Poll: Was The Last of Us - Episode 6's Reunion Worth the Wait?
I was wondering about the pace too. The logical part of my brain that's watching it as a show felt it was well paced, but the part of my brain kept reminding me of the game.
I asked my wife after the episode ended how she felt about the pacing of the episode and she didn't notice it being rushed at all.
I think this is one where we just remember how much of the game this episode covers.
At this point you can pretty much guess what each episode is going to be (Next Left Behind, then the Lakeside resort, and then getting to the hospital ending season 1)
Re: Fast-Tracked Death Stranding Movie to Be an Authentic Hideo Kojima Production
Since Arcane and Cyberpunk have been some of the best adaptations, game or otherwise, I'm open to this!
Just depends how it's handled. Mostly it doesn't have to follow the same story as the game. Honestly it'd be a lot more interesting that way.
Re: Rumour: The Last of Us 3 Is In Development at Naughty Dog
Considering the open threads at the end of 2 this was inevitable. Loved both those games so bring it on!
That being said I do hope they're working on some new IP internally. But I'm there for anything ND does. They have not let me down so far.
Re: Poll: Will You Be Watching The Game Awards 2022?
I'll watch it for the steam deck giveaway. the time is stupid though so I might not make it all the way
If it wasn't for the giveaway I'd just catch up the day after
Re: Days Gone Director Blames Woke Reviewers, Programmers for Critical Reception
@theGoodChap what I said is that the right winged crazies have gotten so many people riled up with the word.
He might not be far right, never said he was, and be critical of the GOP (hard not to be , if you’ve got half a brain cell, and yes same goes for some in the left jeeez I see a comment coming) but he still used the laziest excuse to not admit he made a very mediocre game.
And now I’m just going to reuse my response to someone else.
People can have opinions but using woke as a punching bag is just sad and antagonising. The moment you use it you ask to not have a decent conversation, as it's become a baseless complaint for people to throw around if they want to attract a certain audience.
if he actually created reasonable arguments (even if I don't agree with them) then it'd be a very different conversation. and my words would've been a lot more respectful.
But by adding "woh me being attacked by woke reviewers", there's no point in doing that anymore. It's a bad faith statement.
Re: Days Gone Director Blames Woke Reviewers, Programmers for Critical Reception
@Genghis_Schlonng nope. it would've still had terrible writing, a bland world design and the most boring fetch quests imaginable...
Re: Days Gone Director Blames Woke Reviewers, Programmers for Critical Reception
@The_Moose lol look at you trying to twist words.
People can have opinions but using woke as a punching bag is just sad and antagonising. The moment you use it you ask to not have a decent conversation, as it's become a baseless complaint for people to throw around if they want to attract a certain audience.
if he actually created reasonable arguments (even if I don't agree with them) then it'd be a very different conversation. and my words would've been a lot more respectful.
But by adding "woh me being attacked by woke reviewers", there's no point in doing that anymore. It's a bad faith statement.
Re: Days Gone Director Blames Woke Reviewers, Programmers for Critical Reception
Using "woke" as an insult just shows you're a sad sack who wants to jump on a right wing bandwagon.
All it means is being respectful of others. then right wing crazies turned it into something negative.
This guy is either making it clear who he wants his audience to be.
Oh and I played the game on PS5, and after a few hours I had to stop. It was just so boring gameplay wise after you finish your first horde, with an empty world
Re: The Witcher 3 PS5 Adds that Weird Nilfgaard Armour from the Netflix Show
@Belatarr oh no hurt feelings here that show is very mediocre at best. just thought it was funny writing one of as fan-fiction when they both are
Re: The Witcher 3 PS5 Adds that Weird Nilfgaard Armour from the Netflix Show
@Belatarr LOL so are the games XD
Re: Poll: Is The Last of Us: Part 1 Really a 'Cash Grab'?
Of course it's unnecessary, but I do believe that Naughty Dog is putting in the work and that it'll be a solid remake... once the price is lowered
Re: Skull & Bones Finally Sets Sail for PS5 in November, a Day Before God of War Ragnarok
if you like naval combat this'd be fine I suppose. But I don't. Add to that managing your crew... this is a big nope for me
Re: God of War Ragnarok Dev Sony Santa Monica Demands Respect After Unsavoury Week
Reading this comment thread was a mistake. leaves
Re: Days Gone Also Sold Over 8 Million Copies on PS4, Claims Director
Played the game earlier this year on ps5. It played alright and the first few hours are pretty fun but it became a true slog halfway through.
It didn't introduce any real new elements and the story and writing was too cringy so never finished it.
Still a shame it didn't get the green light for a sequel. It clearly found it's audience and with some improvements the sequel could've been an absolute hit!
Re: Konami Pisses Everyone Off for Castlevania's 35th Anniversary
NFTs are 99 percent a scam. Half of the art being sold has been taken off off someone's website, so it's also art theft too. (or you own absolutely nothing, cause the artists still have the original file on their computer anyway.)
That's setting aside the massive amounts of damage it does to the environment to just make one NFT... this in a winter that feels like spring.
Yeah some people will make a quick buck, but there is nothing right about NFTs
Re: It's Forspoken That Square Enix's New Action RPG Will Launch 24th May
I don't mind the voice acting that much but I do find it strange that the faces just don't seem to emote.... I know gameplay won't suffer from this and that part definitely looks like it could be a lot of fun, but showing so many faces where the eyes are just big and wide and dead is kinda off-putting?
Re: Sony Completes Acquisition of Anime Giant Crunchyroll
@naruball those free sources aren’t legal ways of watching anime. Which means legally it most definitely is (same way Disney buying out Fox is a monopoly).
And with an industry on the brink due to overworked and underpaid artists, I don’t think those “free” sites are any welcome sources to that industry.
Re: Sony Completes Acquisition of Anime Giant Crunchyroll
@naruball it’s a western monopoly. As combined Crunchyroll and Funimation distribute at least 50% of anime.
It might sound advantageous now, but in the long run this won’t be good for consumers.
Re: Mass Effect Legendary Edition Sales 'Well Above' Expectations, Says EA
@Areus right! I thought EA bought them later on. my bad
Re: Mass Effect Legendary Edition Sales 'Well Above' Expectations, Says EA
lol isn't this EA saying they're surprised the games BioWare made before EA bought them still sell way better than anything since?
Re: PS Plus August 2021 PS5, PS4 Games Leaked by Sony
Hah they really want us to go buy those games on sale this month, haven't seen it this bad in ages
Re: Ubisoft Announces Tom Clancy's XDefiant, 6v6 Free-to-Play Arena Shooter for PS5, PS4
I've played a good bit of Apex but why do all these free to play games basically look like a reskinned version of one another. it genuinely doesn't make me want to try them out at this point
Re: State of Play Livestream Confirmed for Thursday, Featuring Deathloop
I'm interested in Deadloop but how much more can they show?? was really hoping they'd come out swinging after the past month
At this point a focus on just indies with some new announcements and dates would be more interesting and while I would personally love this, not showing any of the big titles they're cooking up just seems like a strange strategy
Re: Sony Under Heavy Fire for Handling of Indies on PS Store
@fR_eeBritney agreed Sony can be insanely behind the times! I've moved for work but I can't change the country for my psn account. All I can do is create a new psn account and lose all of the ps plus games I've collected over the years. it's laughable.
I can't even imagine what developers have to jump through when they don't even have a good support system for their customers.
Re: Round Up: Scarlet Nexus Reviews Range from Good to Great
Had fun with the demo! The game gives me some strong Astral Chain vibes but the character bonding could really deliver something fun. Looking forward to playing it
Re: PlayStation Celebrates Pride 2021 with Free Theme and Curated LGBTQ+ Games List
People always get cynical about companies taking part in pride, but at least it puts it out there and hopefully helps the push towards a non acceptance of bigotry. Staying quiet is a bigger offence at this point.
Also Sony has been doing better than a lot of other companies when it comes to representation so this really doesn’t feel as disingenuous as a lot of people seem to think it is.
Re: EA Originals Game Lost In Random Shares Story Trailer, Coming Soon to PS5, PS4
looks nice! hope the gameplay lives up to the art style
Re: Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin PS5 Demo Now Playable with New Patch
I might give it a go but the designs for this one are so uninspired and bland that I genuinely don't know what Square was thinking.... dude's just wearing a simple shirt....
Re: Insomniac Devs Say Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Was Made without Crunch
This is great news!!!
Crunch burns everyone out. On top of that, it can lead to a worse product if it goes on too long. The occasional overtime is fine but constant crunch should always be avoided.
Re: Over 1,200 PS5, PS4 Deals Added to Indie Games Sale on PS Store
Getting Pathless, Disco Elisium and Haven. Was going to wait for Ratchet and Clank but these are some good deals!
Re: Ghostrunner PS5 Version Dated for September, Runs at 4K 120FPS
Really enjoyed this on my first playthrough! can't wait to use this as an excuse to jump back in!