@Ooccoo_Jr That's why they keep doing it. It creates the illusion of value in both PlayStation and Rockstar's services and is mutually beneficial to both, as the numbers show these shady techniques work.
If Nintendo wins this then the games industry is over. Any game with mechanics even remotely similar to another company's game's mechanics will be pulled depending on who filed the patent first. Astro Bot a little too similar to Mario? Bye bye Astro Bot. Ubisoft making Nintendo pull the 2 most recent Zelda games due to their mechanics around map progression when activating towers... etc etc. Nintendo trying their best to ruin the industry all because they decided to lazily pump out the same Pokémon game over and over for the last 20 years.
Riiiiiiight... like when you accident walk into a wall or door and someone sees so you play it off like it didn't even hurt or you meant to do it for the laughs. Then you go and hide and cry the pain away lol.
@naruball that's because they got bought out by IGN earlier in the year. IGN and it's parent companies now own a huge amount of mainstream game sites. Not many left that they don't own now. So basically all these sites just regurgitate whatever IGN says. I think videogameschronicle.com is still safe though!
@The_Wailing_Doom you're definitely right, as it takes a lot of talent to spend 8 years making a game that gets pulled after 2 weeks? That's something special there.
@DennisReynolds omg... that just proves my point. You guys are just celebrating going from Performance vs Fidelity modes to Performance Pro vs Fidelity Pro modes. It's laughable.
So much for Fidelity mode with 60fps... now everyone's just going to have to decide between Fidelity Pro and Performance Pro... what a joke. I thought the entire point of the PS5 Pro was getting rid of the need to have to pick between two modes and just have one great mode with the best of both worlds...... wow.
"Just get it done"... you kidding me? You really just telling us all to overlook whatever updated content and rights we just lost? Just for points? Don't you need like ten trillion points just to accumulate a nickels worth of value on PSN? Lol, no thanks ill pass.
Nice article btw too. The highlight being how you couldn't even be bothered to notify any of us what's changed in the updated ToS.... No wonder games journalism is dying. This piece nailed that point to me.
@Kidfunkadelic83 "Captured on PC" my friend, and all you're looking at is the game running on its highest PC settings that not even the PS5 Pro will be able to accomplish across the board. You really spend that much time analyzing doors in the OG version anyway? Had they not pointed it out, you'd never have noticed. Not to mention if you play on PS5, you wont. I'd rather have the better lighting from the door lights in the OG version anyway.
@LowDefAl i stand by my claim. Look again, the new "Remastered" shots are "Captured on PC." The main difference between all these shots to make things pop more is time of day and color temp. They didn't capture the OG shots on PC or it'd be noted their too. Meaning they took screens for the OG PS4 version and are comparing them to the PC version on the highest settings possible. Sony wouldn't allow anything but the best as that'd be even dumber of a thing to do. They got you hookline and sinker thinking this is what you'll get if you buy the new version and maybe more, get the PS5 Pro. It's called marketing Pal.
You can like the new shots all you want. I'm sure the game definitely looks better than the OG, that's not my argument. However the specific shots shown are perplexing at best. A very odd angle of Meridian at night compared to the new shot during the mid day, giving the illusion that the new version is so much more vibrant now... please. Not to mention we have no idea if NPC density on PC will be similar on PS5. Then the picture of a door with better bump mapping but worse to nonexistent lighting now? How ofter did you actually spend analyzing doors before in the old version anyway? Then the shot of the waterfall which definitely looks better but theres no way you can tell me color temp difference isnt at play here, not to mention time of day again, and again PC max settings for foliage. Lastly, the shot of the landscape, acting as a sort of big takeaway to really sell us on what we can expect to see. I kid you not when I say I can't tell the difference, I honestly can't. Color temp and time of day are on full blown display here as obviously as I can ever say. If you go outside in real life, in the morning, and take a picture of your yard and then take another one in the same spot in the afternoon, you'll see very similar results as well.
@Absymbel kinda how I felt. They definitely made sure to choose the one exact spot and weird angle at dusk in Meridian where not many people are around in the OG shot. I didn't even notice the "Captured on PC" marking until now. That's even worse in my eyes. We all know the PC settings are on their highest possible option for these new shots as well, giving an image that not even the PS5 Pro will be able to output. Which, funny enough, is also kind of baffling as well as that landscape shot looks almost exactly the same in both pics with the only difference being time of day in order to produce lighting to make the green grass pop in the new version.
All in all I'm glad it's only a $10 upgrade, but I still don't think this "Remaster" was needed. The OG version ran 4K 60fps on PS5 and was one of the better looking games already.
@Markatron84 i never said there wasn't a difference. Changing the time of day is definitely a difference lol. No but in all seriousness, it does look nice, I just don't like how there appears to be a temp change in vibrancy that has me feeling like the overall mood is off now. I preferred the odd lighting that the original version had, that's all.
@EbolaGW yeah, however I get the feeling Xbox will release their next console in the next 2 years and Sony will probably be right behind them. My base PS5 will get me through the wait til PS6. Then I'll be able to play the latest PS4 titles on that console lol! In all seriousness though, I'm probably more likely to go PC next gen. If the PS5 Pro is $700+, then the PS6 will be even more. Probably closer to $1000. At that point consoles are pointless.
@EbolaGW Fair point. The price point was very respectable considering what we got. If anything I'd say the PS4 Pro was worth more compared to what is being sold to us with the PS5 Pro. There was merit to claiming the PS4 Pro was needed. There is no reason the PS5 Pro exists other than for Sony to farm more money out of its fans. The fact developers are still holding the PS5 back to appease PS4 users proves this.
Oh man, the salt is flowing now. The PS5 Pro is pointless until they drop PS4 support. The base model PS5 still hasn't been fully taken advantage of due to being held back by last gen. Anyone who thinks the Pro model is needed right now is just lying to themselves. I know, I was one of those people last gen. PS4 Pro was almost just as pointless as the PS5 Pro is looking to be.
Meanwhile Dino Crisis has no trophies and is locked behind the PS+ paywall. They're not honoring PS3 purchases on this one... looks like emulation with retro achievements is the way to go now!
@B_Lindz there's a lot to learn but it's worth it. So tired of being tied down by a corporation that raises its products prices so regularly that everyone feels the need to celebrates a minor "discount" like this. I can't wait to see everyone run to Sonys defense when they drop the PS6 with a $1,000 price tag and $100 games that are STILL simultaneously releasing on PS4.
Thanks, but I'm good. Bought a Steam Deck instead. Now my PS5 is just for exclusives. Everything thing else is dirt ass cheap on the Steam Deck. I've seen the PC light now. I can't go back.
@LogicStrikesAgain who? Microsoft? Haha no. Insiders already admitted it was going to be $600 but since Xbox is no competition and Switch isn't really competing on the same level, that Sony felt no need to make it cheaper. This is why the industry needs competition and Sony doesn't have any.
Good. Hopefully they don't meet expectations. This practice needs to end. We don't need a "Pro" model in a generation that's STILL catering to last gen! We still have yet to come anywhere close to the base PS5 being maxed out!
If I'm spending $700 then it's for an OLED Steam Deck. Not a "Pro" console I have to bust out the magnifying glass for in order to see any major difference. And that's coming from someone who bought BOTH the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Those felt worth the upgrade, ESPECIALLY the Xbox.
Devs still have yet to fully harness the base PS5 due to having to having to also make sure the games run on the ancient PS4. We don't need the Pro model, Sony just needs to let the PS4 die already and let the PS5 REALLY shine.
It's actually kind of nice to see a little goofin' around playfulness with Phil Spencer here. No hostility between rival companies, just clowning on each other.
I knew they would lol! Im betting I already know EXACTLY all the dialog that's been changed in order to better fit the new version of Aloy they made for the Forbidden West: Burning Shores dlc.
Wow... so this is the future of PlayStation. They're going to go out of their way to force all games to have shoddy performance in order to get everyone to move to PS5 Pro... very Apple of you Sony.
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Re: PS5 Pro Image Quality Issues Reported for Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
@Wario_Waha i recently left too. Saved up and got a Steam Deck instead of a PS5 Pro. Best decision I've made in years.
Re: The Game Awards Confirms DLC, Remasters Can Win Game of the Year Days Prior to Nominations Reveal
Wow, just when you think Keighley can't get any dumber, he goes and does something like this...
Re: 17 Games Land on PS Plus Extra, Premium Next Week
@Ooccoo_Jr That's why they keep doing it. It creates the illusion of value in both PlayStation and Rockstar's services and is mutually beneficial to both, as the numbers show these shady techniques work.
Re: GTA Trilogy May Finally Be Worth Playing on PS5, PS4
@ATaco i still have access to mine. If you bought them before they pulled them from the store, you should still have access to them.
Re: Nintendo and The Pokémon Company Want to Stop the Sale of Palworld
If Nintendo wins this then the games industry is over. Any game with mechanics even remotely similar to another company's game's mechanics will be pulled depending on who filed the patent first. Astro Bot a little too similar to Mario? Bye bye Astro Bot. Ubisoft making Nintendo pull the 2 most recent Zelda games due to their mechanics around map progression when activating towers... etc etc. Nintendo trying their best to ruin the industry all because they decided to lazily pump out the same Pokémon game over and over for the last 20 years.
Re: Poll: Did You Buy a PS5 Pro?
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Re: Hands On: $700 Later and Dragon's Dogma 2 PS5 Pro Performance Is Still Far from Perfect
@Enigk better start saving now... PS6 probably going to cost $10K unless Sony starts getting some competition soon here.
Re: Take-Two CEO Says Borderlands Movie Bombing 'Didn't Hurt at All'
Riiiiiiight... like when you accident walk into a wall or door and someone sees so you play it off like it didn't even hurt or you meant to do it for the laughs. Then you go and hide and cry the pain away lol.
Re: PS5 Pro Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates, Sony to Release New Covers for More Powerful Console
@naruball that's because they got bought out by IGN earlier in the year. IGN and it's parent companies now own a huge amount of mainstream game sites. Not many left that they don't own now. So basically all these sites just regurgitate whatever IGN says. I think videogameschronicle.com is still safe though!
Re: PS5 Pro Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates, Sony to Release New Covers for More Powerful Console
@armondo36 somewhere a Sony marketer is reading your comment and tearing up at the thought of brand loyalty as strong as yours lol.
Re: PS5 Pro Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates, Sony to Release New Covers for More Powerful Console
@naruball could it be? Are consumers FINALLY waking up?
Re: PS5, PC Flop Concord Never Returning, Studio Closed Down
@The_Wailing_Doom worked at Bungie doing what? The reason they don't anymore is very clear now lol.
Re: PS5 Pro Not Compatible with PS5 Slim Face Plates, Sony to Release New Covers for More Powerful Console
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Re: PS5, PC Flop Concord Never Returning, Studio Closed Down
@dschons except almost all of us saw this coming... 2 failed betas and virtually no one playing it on release? Yeah, saw this coming.
Re: PS5, PC Flop Concord Never Returning, Studio Closed Down
@The_Wailing_Doom you're definitely right, as it takes a lot of talent to spend 8 years making a game that gets pulled after 2 weeks? That's something special there.
Re: PS5, PC Flop Concord Never Returning, Studio Closed Down
@AK4tywill surely you respect your own time better than that...
Re: Spider-Man 2, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PS5 Pro Updates Include Ray Tracing Toggles
@Andy22385 because the whole point of the Pro model was to get rid of the need to pick between 2 modes....
Re: Spider-Man 2, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PS5 Pro Updates Include Ray Tracing Toggles
@DennisReynolds omg... that just proves my point. You guys are just celebrating going from Performance vs Fidelity modes to Performance Pro vs Fidelity Pro modes. It's laughable.
Re: Spider-Man 2, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PS5 Pro Updates Include Ray Tracing Toggles
So much for Fidelity mode with 60fps... now everyone's just going to have to decide between Fidelity Pro and Performance Pro... what a joke. I thought the entire point of the PS5 Pro was getting rid of the need to have to pick between two modes and just have one great mode with the best of both worlds...... wow.
Re: Reminder: You Must Accept PS Stars Terms of Service to Keep Earning Points
"Just get it done"... you kidding me? You really just telling us all to overlook whatever updated content and rights we just lost? Just for points? Don't you need like ten trillion points just to accumulate a nickels worth of value on PSN? Lol, no thanks ill pass.
Nice article btw too. The highlight being how you couldn't even be bothered to notify any of us what's changed in the updated ToS.... No wonder games journalism is dying. This piece nailed that point to me.
Re: Layoffs Reported at Horizon MMO Developer NCSoft
Thank God... no one wanted this. We don't need a Horizon themed Concord...
Re: Throwback N64 Platformer Yooka-Replaylee Looks Dazzling in Upgraded PS5 Remake
How many times they going to remake this game lol? Didn't it already have 2 different versions last gen?
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Is an Absolutely Insane Upgrade
@Kidfunkadelic83 "Captured on PC" my friend, and all you're looking at is the game running on its highest PC settings that not even the PS5 Pro will be able to accomplish across the board. You really spend that much time analyzing doors in the OG version anyway? Had they not pointed it out, you'd never have noticed. Not to mention if you play on PS5, you wont. I'd rather have the better lighting from the door lights in the OG version anyway.
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Is an Absolutely Insane Upgrade
@LowDefAl i stand by my claim. Look again, the new "Remastered" shots are "Captured on PC." The main difference between all these shots to make things pop more is time of day and color temp. They didn't capture the OG shots on PC or it'd be noted their too. Meaning they took screens for the OG PS4 version and are comparing them to the PC version on the highest settings possible. Sony wouldn't allow anything but the best as that'd be even dumber of a thing to do. They got you hookline and sinker thinking this is what you'll get if you buy the new version and maybe more, get the PS5 Pro. It's called marketing Pal.
You can like the new shots all you want. I'm sure the game definitely looks better than the OG, that's not my argument. However the specific shots shown are perplexing at best. A very odd angle of Meridian at night compared to the new shot during the mid day, giving the illusion that the new version is so much more vibrant now... please. Not to mention we have no idea if NPC density on PC will be similar on PS5. Then the picture of a door with better bump mapping but worse to nonexistent lighting now? How ofter did you actually spend analyzing doors before in the old version anyway? Then the shot of the waterfall which definitely looks better but theres no way you can tell me color temp difference isnt at play here, not to mention time of day again, and again PC max settings for foliage. Lastly, the shot of the landscape, acting as a sort of big takeaway to really sell us on what we can expect to see. I kid you not when I say I can't tell the difference, I honestly can't. Color temp and time of day are on full blown display here as obviously as I can ever say. If you go outside in real life, in the morning, and take a picture of your yard and then take another one in the same spot in the afternoon, you'll see very similar results as well.
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Is an Absolutely Insane Upgrade
@Absymbel kinda how I felt. They definitely made sure to choose the one exact spot and weird angle at dusk in Meridian where not many people are around in the OG shot. I didn't even notice the "Captured on PC" marking until now. That's even worse in my eyes. We all know the PC settings are on their highest possible option for these new shots as well, giving an image that not even the PS5 Pro will be able to output. Which, funny enough, is also kind of baffling as well as that landscape shot looks almost exactly the same in both pics with the only difference being time of day in order to produce lighting to make the green grass pop in the new version.
All in all I'm glad it's only a $10 upgrade, but I still don't think this "Remaster" was needed. The OG version ran 4K 60fps on PS5 and was one of the better looking games already.
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Is an Absolutely Insane Upgrade
@Markatron84 i never said there wasn't a difference. Changing the time of day is definitely a difference lol. No but in all seriousness, it does look nice, I just don't like how there appears to be a temp change in vibrancy that has me feeling like the overall mood is off now. I preferred the odd lighting that the original version had, that's all.
Re: These Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Comparisons Are Absolutely Insane
All they did was change the color temp... and in the case of the door shot, they got rid of the lighting or something? Idk... not impressed.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Showcases the Problem with Sony's Games on PS5 Pro
@EbolaGW yeah, however I get the feeling Xbox will release their next console in the next 2 years and Sony will probably be right behind them. My base PS5 will get me through the wait til PS6. Then I'll be able to play the latest PS4 titles on that console lol! In all seriousness though, I'm probably more likely to go PC next gen. If the PS5 Pro is $700+, then the PS6 will be even more. Probably closer to $1000. At that point consoles are pointless.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Showcases the Problem with Sony's Games on PS5 Pro
@EbolaGW Fair point. The price point was very respectable considering what we got. If anything I'd say the PS4 Pro was worth more compared to what is being sold to us with the PS5 Pro. There was merit to claiming the PS4 Pro was needed. There is no reason the PS5 Pro exists other than for Sony to farm more money out of its fans. The fact developers are still holding the PS5 back to appease PS4 users proves this.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Showcases the Problem with Sony's Games on PS5 Pro
Oh man, the salt is flowing now. The PS5 Pro is pointless until they drop PS4 support. The base model PS5 still hasn't been fully taken advantage of due to being held back by last gen. Anyone who thinks the Pro model is needed right now is just lying to themselves. I know, I was one of those people last gen. PS4 Pro was almost just as pointless as the PS5 Pro is looking to be.
Re: Sony Goes the Extra Mile for Siren on PS Plus Premium
Meanwhile Dino Crisis has no trophies and is locked behind the PS+ paywall. They're not honoring PS3 purchases on this one... looks like emulation with retro achievements is the way to go now!
Re: PS Plus Extra, Premium Offer 14 More Games to Play Today
@WizzNL looks like I'll be emulating it with retro achievements instead then.
Re: Deals: Not Feeling the PS5 Pro? PS5 Slim Consoles Are Currently $50/£50 Off
@B_Lindz there's a lot to learn but it's worth it. So tired of being tied down by a corporation that raises its products prices so regularly that everyone feels the need to celebrates a minor "discount" like this. I can't wait to see everyone run to Sonys defense when they drop the PS6 with a $1,000 price tag and $100 games that are STILL simultaneously releasing on PS4.
Re: Deals: Not Feeling the PS5 Pro? PS5 Slim Consoles Are Currently $50/£50 Off
Thanks, but I'm good. Bought a Steam Deck instead. Now my PS5 is just for exclusives. Everything thing else is dirt ass cheap on the Steam Deck. I've seen the PC light now. I can't go back.
Re: PS5 Pro Boost Is Pretty Clear Cut in The Last of Us 2 Remastered Comparison Video
Wow.... much greater... big win.
No thanks. The PS5 Pro announcement was the push I needed to leave console gaming and I bought a Steam Deck instead.
Re: Tech Experts Reckon PS5 Pro Could Help Pave the Way to PS6
@LogicStrikesAgain who? Microsoft? Haha no. Insiders already admitted it was going to be $600 but since Xbox is no competition and Switch isn't really competing on the same level, that Sony felt no need to make it cheaper. This is why the industry needs competition and Sony doesn't have any.
Re: Tech Experts Reckon PS5 Pro Could Help Pave the Way to PS6
The only "paving" it's going to do is pave the way to a $1000 launch price for the PS6.
Re: Bickering Begins Over PS5 Pro's Inability to Sell Out
Good. Hopefully they don't meet expectations. This practice needs to end. We don't need a "Pro" model in a generation that's STILL catering to last gen! We still have yet to come anywhere close to the base PS5 being maxed out!
Re: Death Stranding 2's Next-Gen PS5 Photo Mode Will Somehow Affect the Story
Looks like a possible pass? I don't want a TikTok simulator. Being a mailman was one thing but now this? Ugh... Prove me wrong Kojima.
Re: Poll: Did You Pre-Order a PS5 Pro?
If I'm spending $700 then it's for an OLED Steam Deck. Not a "Pro" console I have to bust out the magnifying glass for in order to see any major difference. And that's coming from someone who bought BOTH the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Those felt worth the upgrade, ESPECIALLY the Xbox.
Devs still have yet to fully harness the base PS5 due to having to having to also make sure the games run on the ancient PS4. We don't need the Pro model, Sony just needs to let the PS4 die already and let the PS5 REALLY shine.
Re: Random: Xbox Boss Complains About X Button After Being Handed PS5 Pad
It's actually kind of nice to see a little goofin' around playfulness with Phil Spencer here. No hostility between rival companies, just clowning on each other.
Re: Over 10 Hours of Horizon Zero Dawn Dialogue Has Been Re-Recorded for PS5, PC
I knew they would lol! Im betting I already know EXACTLY all the dialog that's been changed in order to better fit the new version of Aloy they made for the Forbidden West: Burning Shores dlc.
Re: Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Wins Over PlayStation Fans
Yeah, duh... cuz about 90% of us only have to pay $10 to get it lol! #moderngamejournalism
Re: PS5 Pro Will Supposedly Fix Rise of the Ronin's Shoddy Frame Rate
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Re: PS5 Pro Will Supposedly Fix Rise of the Ronin's Shoddy Frame Rate
Wow... so this is the future of PlayStation. They're going to go out of their way to force all games to have shoddy performance in order to get everyone to move to PS5 Pro... very Apple of you Sony.
Re: Capcom's Iconic PS1 Survival Horror Dino Crisis Coming to PS5, PS4
@PuppetMaster so far they've honored EVERY PS1 purchase from the PS3 gen, and even PSP games.