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I don't see how any self respecting studio could take on Metal Gear Solid without Kojima being involved. It's totally his creation would only ruin the reputation of anyone who tried to take it over.

I suppose some kind of spin off would be possible or a remake from someone like bluepoint with Kojima's blessing.

I'm so over this game now. Locking content behind filthy purple currency was the final nail in the coffin for me. I just can't bring myself to go back to it. The gameplay loop of having to build a meter to get your better vehicle to lose it, rinse and repeat, is tiresome. A whole game based around not quite giving you what you want in any way, shame.

@Ralizah agreed, apart from the tactical RPG from the octopath team it was pretty disappointing. Where is Bayonetta 3? There has to be some kind of big issues with that game, they can't hide it forever.

@DrClayman This is also spot on. The games you mention can all be found for under £50 if you shop around too. It's a bit like Sony and the rest all agreed to dress up for a fancy dress party and when they arrived only Sony bothered to make the effort to dress up (probably as Scrooge McDuck) and now they can't change back cause they committed to it.

I don't think it's working out too well with pre-orders though, the online retailers are slowly bringing the prices down a pound or so with each release.

@Floki you're probably right. Such a steep rise here in the UK and Europe seems like it hasn't been properly considered though. I'd like to see what it would be like if the US prices were raised to $95 comparatively.

It's a big shame really, as we should all be talking about how excited we are for a great new game coming out, but instead a large portion of the user base is just discussing how these games are not worth that much money. Most of my conversations with friends about PS5 releases come down to the crazy pricing and how we aren't as excited about the new games cause we won't pay the asking price even though we can afford it. It can't be a great pr system for Sony if other people are in a similar position.

I feel that if it was £45-50 I'd pre-order just for the hype. At £70 I will just wait and probably end up getting it for £20 much further down the line as I'll be so far removed from the release I won't care about playing it until I can get it for cheap. I don't understand how anyone can look at £70 for a game and not be totally put off. Every time I see that £69.99 (which still has content cut at that price too!) I wince in disbelief. I will never get used to it and I think I've found my threshold for how much I'm willing to spend on a game.

Nice, this will be a good Xmas 21 game for me once the price has dropped a bit.

My controllers were fine until I noticed with over of them the shop menu would sometimes scroll back up on its own when I stop on a game to check something out. It's very slight, but it's there unfortunately. I think they're might be quite a few issues in the next year.

@UnlimitedSevens I've given up on the trophies now, which were the only thing keeping me enjoying the game really. It's a shame because I was enjoying going through the list until I saw the crazy requirements for some of them. It's so clear this game has had too many decisions made based on how they can squeeze money out of players, instead of putting most of the time into thinking about how to make the game fun to play. Oh well, just another tick for the argument against service games for me.

Has to be Bloodborne. An update similar to God of War would make that game incredible. I started playing GOW again last night and the difference is huge. It's strange that a last gen game is the most next gen game out if you know what I mean. I can see why Sony went for the controller stuff now as I'm not sure any graphical improvements are going to be noticeable going forwards.

Strange review score, are you scoring the games or the package on offer? Maybe better to put the original scores for the games with a separate note for the overall value for the remastered package.

After seeing what happened with the Ultimate Edition of Control there's no way I'd consider buying this. I feel that publishers will have to come out and actively say that their repackaged versions of PS4 games will not come to PS+.

A fair review, if a bit harsh in my opinion. I've enjoyed playing it so far and the fact that's it comes with PS+ makes its flaws a little easier to take. That they even considered selling this for £70 is off the scale bonkers though.

I just wish there was a law that forced them to give an option to switch them off completely, so you don't see any of them or any content connected to them.

It's also pretty gross that most of that revenue comes from scamming kids in games like Fifa and fostering something way too close to a gambling addiction to my liking. Having worked in casinos in the past I know how it all works and there is pretty much no difference other than these games are offering even less than a casino does as a payout.

@Voltan @naruball I wasn't really making a statement as fact, more musing on the new approach. Since getting my PS5 with the PS+ sub I have been given a unusual amount of games that I would never normally spend money on. Also, I've enjoyed them a lot more than I thought I would and told numerous people so. I think it's a lot easier to forgive a game's flaws and speak positively if you haven't paid any money for them too. Multiply this by the odd few million people who have been lucky enough to get a PS5 and you've get a lot of free word of mouth endorsement, well, not free, but measured loss leading.

This basically follows the whole argument for piracy actually helping the industry on the whole. I remember one of the reasons that the PS1 did so well was down to the console and its games being so easy to pirate. Nothing helps something sell better than people talking about it. It looks like Sony is trying a new approach of giving games to early adopters to see if it helps sales overall. I'll be very interested to see if Control suddenly gets a big bump and the attention it apparently deserves.

looks at launch PS5 under TV "You and me buddy."

@GREGORIAN that's probably their thinking, yes, but I probably won't bother with the games until they're much cheaper than I would have bought them new for £45-50. By the time I've waited 6 odd months I will be so over any hype I'll just wait to get them for £10-20 down the line and second hand too. Anyway, I get it, they will probably get away with it and people will just pay the extra money. I think there's a chance the UK/EU prices will be reconsidered though as the mark-up really doesn't match the US increase.

Sony have put their first party studios in a really awkward position now. All their games are up against stiff competition at a marked up price. It basically means that all their studios need to produce stellar games with really high review scores or they're scuppered. Either that or they reduce the price of some or give them away like Destruction All-stars which is basically admitting certain games aren't very good or they don't have faith in them. I wonder if they'll keep digging this greedy grave.

They seem to be avoiding showing what happens if you run someone over, I wonder why. At the end of the day this kind of game being any good will come down to gamefeel. It'll either have it or it won't, and this will be the deciding factor.

The game looks ok, it's just trying so hard to be cool with it's kooky list of cookie-cutter characters and so on. It'll be fun for a 2 hour bash though and I'm glad they went down the ps+ route.

This makes the whole Control ultimate edition shenanigans even more bizarre. Why go to all that fuss to annoy everyone then just give it away with a sub? I'm not complaining as I bought the regular edition a month or so before they announced the new version, so it kind of rectifies the situation for me.

PS+ is creating an odd situation where I'm starting to avoid buying a lot of games cause I think they'll eventually just come to the sub. I guess in a twisted kind of way we have Microsoft to thank for the sudden upturn in PS+ quality. Gamepass has clearly got Sony and bit more rattled than I first thought.

@leucocyte You can prove anything with facts, Haha. I get it and you're right about the £60 RRP (even though I don't think I've ever seen a game at that price barring digital), but it doesn't change the fact that £70 is a crazy amount to charge for a video game. I only comment on here to add to the dissatisfied voice in regard to the price hike in vain hope that Sony will be forced to reign in the price eventually. I know it's a losing battle and most will just give in and accept it, but if enough people act negatively towards business practices things can change as we've seen in some cases recently. Not many, but some.

@darksoul77 you might be right, but I simply do not believe that Sony hasn't made a huge profit from selling 100m+ ps4s and millions of copies of games at £40-45. I also think that the pricing is quite a gamble as I don't think they'll make more money but less from sales as fewer people will buy any of the games at that price.

Throwing around the term 'big-budget production' is silly too without knowing how much the game cost to make. It would take a lot to convince me that this isn't an attempt to blanket raise the prices for extra profit. Luckily I can't see them getting away with it for too long after most of the games flop and everyone else continues to release games at a reasonable price like Capcom with Resi Village.

Had they just gone for a slight raise in price here in the UK of £45-50 to £55-60 it might have been acceptable, but a £25 hike is taking the pi$$.

@Rob_230 pretty much this. I pre-ordered RE Village for £46 and as you say this can be found for £63 at the cheapest. I just can't see how Sony can carry on with this pricing and expect their games to sell well on release. I mean, seriously, what planet are they on? The more I think about it the more crazy or seems to charge that much for a video game.

Why is everyone so desperate to see the game in action? It's coming to ps+ so it's not like you need to make any decisions about buying it. I'm happy to just wait for it to come out and give it a go. It doesn't seem like my kind of game though, I'm terrible at competitive online have games.

Just glad I get to try it out and probably move on without having to pay anything extra for it.

Wasn't the multiplayer in Resi 3 remake awful and full of loot box monetisation? Oh dear, that's a shame.

@OthmaneAD yeah, I'm out. When they decide to make it simple, stop messing about with loads of different versions of each game and put it all together for a reasonable price I'll consider taking another look.

@OthmaneAD They were selling 1 and 2 for under £10 each last week and I can get 3 for £45. Dunno why £70 is so funny. As for 235€, Wow! Jeez, really? Crazy prices, I think I'm done. It's all way too confusing and expensive with so many different deluxe versions and what not.

What a mess, I wish they had released a trilogy pack with everything together for £70. I would have got it then, but as it is I'll wait until they get their house in order.

@Flaming_Kaiser but R* didn't try to charge me $95 and I got over 400 hours out of red dead 2. Not the best example for your argument.

@4kgk2 why should we? It's not about being able to afford it, it's because the price isn't justified. It's actually more like $95 for a lot of us too.

Also, can you show where you get your info on them not even breaking even? As far as I can see the industry is making more money than it ever has.

I think it's time Sony and stores set up some kind of waiting list. This way people can get an idea of when they will get their console and put a huge dent in the scalpers' plans to stop people from getting a console legitimately.

Stores and companies should be forced to stop wasting peoples' time for clicks and store engagement. Set up a waiting list and contact people when it's their turn to buy the thing they want. It's that simple.

I'm surprised they're still making this to be honest. The last thing any of us want is a depressing end of the world, humanity is horrid and done for, show to watch.

If Naughty Dog have any sense they'll make something a little bit less grim next too.

@Hyperluminal bit harsh, I think they do a good job here. I like the genuine reviews and they usually avoid doing what you say they do.

It's going to be fine for us lot, it's you guys in the media who will struggle with less to write about. The industry has become so saturated its started to eat its own tail in a way. Maybe a year of down time will be a good thing in the long run. The way content is being released with dlc and extra bits here and there games are demanding way too much of our time.

Looking at something like Man-eater for instance, I've enjoyed playing it this month while listening to podcasts and stuff, but then they've announced a load of paid dlc and all I can think is "Nah, I'm OK, it was fun but I've had my fill." I wish some developers would think more about making better, shorter experiences instead of just adding more fluff for a bit of extra cash to games that really don't deserve more attention.

I'm not sure they'll have one for Destruction All-stars. Why bother? They're giving it away with PS+ and they've sold out of all the PS5s they could ship. I think the next one will be when they have something to say about Ratchet and Clank in Spring or maybe a bit later. They need the game to sell well and I suppose they'd like to wait for more PS5s to be out in the wild before they release it too. A fresh flux of console owners will help shift quite a few units at full price.

@CKFilms Yeah, but it's a mess. I got Hitman 1 on ps+ and it was really confusing with all the missing content and dlc you needed to buy for the complete game. Then Hitman 2 is the same with the base game missing loads of stuff. Now it looks like 3 is going to be similar if you buy the base version. I'm just going to wait for a physical version with all three games and all content.

@DualshockInfinit I'll do exactly the same. If anything this deluxe edition has put me off buying the game completely. I don't want to pay £60 for an incomplete game and I'm not paying £80 for a game with cut content.

You just know there'll be a complete trilogy version with all the content and patched as well for a fraction of the price in a year or so.

Have to say I agree with most people here. It looks like a good game, but it's a high risk at the new £70/$95 price tag here in the UK. It almost feels like Sony need justify why we should have to pay this much money for each or even any game.

I suppose it's really just a case of "let's charge a high price and catch the people who'll pay it, then sell it at a lower price to the people who can wait for a sale later on.". My new PS5 console hype has fallen off now and I have plenty to play while I wait for the cheaper pipeline of games, patched and ready to go, to come along in six months or so.

It might seem silly, but had this been a launch title I probably would have got this instead of Miles Morales and Remastered. Now I can wait.

Special mention for Monster Hunter World: Iceborne. I picked up my journey on PS5 about halfway through the story in World and it's like playing a different game. The frame rate and resolution are incredible.

@2cents It's not $70 it's $95 for us and a £20-25 or $35 rise in price essentially.

@KilloWertz I never usually pay £60 for any games. I paid £40-45 for Ghost of Tsushima and Last of Us 2 on release last year. This is why a sudden jump to £70 is such a kick in balls. I'll admit I paid £60 for Demon's Souls, but that was based on new console hype. I can afford to pay £70 for a game, but I chose not to because I think it's unjustified.

I've already seen a drop from £70-£60 for PS5 games, so the price is clearly not selling as many games as expected. A few more flops will only help to bring the prices back to something more reasonable. We have a lot of power as consumers, and to act like we have no choice and have to submit to price gouging is pretty defeatist.

@velio84 your first edit is simply not true, if enough people don't pay the new high price for games Sony will lower the price eventually. Especially in the UK and EU as the price hike is not comparable to the rest of the world.

It looks really good and I'm so excited to play it, but to add an extra beat to a horse of the dead... I can't afford to pay the £70 asking price. I want to support the devs but I also don't want to encourage the high price that Sony are trying normalise.

I'll make sure to buy it new so they get some money from me, but I'll wait until I can find it for a more reasonable £30-40.

@get2sammyb Maybe, but I'm pretty sure Sony would be prepared drop the PS4 version if the PS5 was bombing. I wouldn't be surprised if Demon's Souls had a PS4 version they decided to drop so they had at least one game to draw in people like me who'd buy a console for it.

Let's face it, it depends on how well the PS5 sells. Sells well, it's on PS4, sells not so well, it's a PS5 exclusive. Or they get best of both worlds and make it a timed exclusive. The PS5 seems to be doing just fine though so I expect it to come to PS4.

It'll be interesting seeing them try and charge for dlc that was cut from the game after this debacle.

This has got switch release written all over it. It looks interesting, but I'd much rather have it TV/handheld on switch.

So far the PS5 games have all been ones I'm slightly interested in but would never actually buy which is exactly what I want from the sub, so no complaints from me. I hope that this trend continues going forward. Getting shorter unusual Indies or online multiplayer games are much more preferable for me personally as I can mess around a bit and not feel like I've wasted my money. It should be good for creativity in the industry too.

Happy New Year! Thanks to all you guys at push square, your hard work is very much appreciated. And a special mention to everyone in the comments section too, it's one of the nicest communities I've found on the internet and definitely plays a big part in me coming back regularly. Even when is gets a bit weird or goes too far, as most comments sections do, I find it to be an interesting read and a solid source of entertainment. I hope 2021 brings a lot of joy to everyone here.